if the ultimate cut had been released
>adding more shit instead of fixing the shit that people hated
Your logic is a little flawed there, friend.
>>>/co/
Wrong board nigger
>>71587178
>i didnt watch the UE: the post
>>71587145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYKeQczkFfM
The guy 8 seconds in, thats you
Might as well have replaced the actors with woodn planks
It was total shit
>>71587145
there should've been a separate batman movie before this was shat out
>>71587145
The funniest thing about this image is - DCucks actually wish BvS had such high ratings. When they see Marvel movies scoring high 90s, instead of accepting that they are doing capeshit right and DC is wrong, they pretend that they never cared about scores anyway. Then they start pull out random horseshit from their asses.
"Buh-but muh symbolism"
"Muh Bible references"
"Muh grit"
"SHILLS"
"Muh complex storyline"
Fact is - the movie is a disaster, and DC simply cannot compete with Marvel when it comes to big budget live action movies.
>>71587284
>>71587145
BvS Ultimate Edition patch notes: number of dream sequences adjusted from 6 to 8.
Developer Notes: we thought the movie was poorly edited and didn't convey what we set out to accomplish, so we've added another Batman dream within a dream within a flashback so we have some more exposition time. Then we also added a Superman dream sequence in the end to make it abundantly clear that he is not dead and that we only temporarily """""killed""""" him to force some dramatic heft in an otherwise shallow, emotionally void film experience.
>>71587316
The marvel-fags have no reason to cry, though. Their movies have all been excellent. Far better than what DC could ever hope to achieve,
>>71587530
>television tier cgi/action scenes on a 250 million dollar budget is better than actual film making i.e BvS
>>71587568
>DC shills claim Marvel films are shit
>say Rotten Tomatoes scores don't reflect quality
>claim Batman vs Superman is just misunderstood
>then go on to say if a different cut of the movie was released it would have a different RT score
You guys are worse than Warfags
>theatrical cut is bloated, disjointed garbage
>extended cut is even more bloated, disjointed garbage
so when did you realize they cut it down specifically so they could get 20% more screenings on the opening day/weekend, before people knew the movie was total garbage.
>>71587222
>Batman and Superman kill even more people
Oh boy!
>>71588193
Please, WB is so tone deaf they legitimately thought they had Oscar material on their hands right up until the first reviews started rolling in.
>>71588309
or they just wanted everyone to think that. For in what reality would it be a good idea to not claim a movie was great before anyone had seen it?
So after watching the extended cut, it makes me wonder how TDK got through more plot in less time without ever feeling rushed or incoherent.
>>71587145
>a boring movie is suddenly a masterpiece if you make audiences sit through an extra hour
>>71587145
Yeah 3 hours of the Punisher in a Batsuit brutally murdering people and le hamfisted Superjesusman metaphor letting people die while looking emo. Fuck this movie and I hope Snyder dies of aids
>inb4 Marveldrone
I'm also a huge DC fan frustrated by how my favorite characters were mistreated. This should have been a World's Finest movie, not some bullshit about them wanting to kill each other until they realize their moms have the same name
>>71588673
always expect less when zack snyder is at the helm
>>71587145
Look at this dude...
>>71588673
>he doesnt think zack snyder punisher batman is bad fucking ass and adds more deep and complex layers to him
>people expect me to believe they dont like the ultimate cut
dont be jealous disneybabbies. Maybe they'll add an ultimate cut of the avengers with 10 extra minutes of ironman cracking jokes
Anyone else hoping Marvel Studio buys DC characters rights? We'd finally get a good DC movie
>tfw a Batman movie where Batman DOESN'T kill anyone and is NOT George Clooney
>tfw a Supes movie adaptation of All Star Superman that is pure unadulterated fun
>tfw a Green Lantern movie that is as good as GotG
>tfw a Justice League movie that is as good as the first Avengers movie
"DC's World's Greatest Detective, by Marvel"
>>71588772
that sounds shit 2bh.
DCucks before UC
>PAID CRITICS
>THE MOVIE IS LITERALLY PERFECT
>YOU'RE JUST TO STUPID TO GET IT
>TRUE KINO
After UC
>O-ok maybe it was absolut shit
>but this version is so much better
>pls buy the DCCU is not a complete failure stop being Marvel shills
Are you guys getting paid for this?
>>71587145
it still had awful wonder woman, awful lex luthor, awdul cgi rock monster, pontificating philosophizing about ideas a 2 year old would come up with and terrible editing. so I think the score would've been about the same tbqh
>>71588720
It's not Batman. It's literally a serial killer in a Batsuit and if you don't see how retarded the concept of a superhero who vows to never kill criminals because his parents were murdered in front of him and that would make him just as bad as the people he's killing doesn't make any sense, then you completely missed the point. Tell me, how will the Batman justify wanting to stop the Joker when he is basically the Joker himself? How will Snyder convince us Batman is the good guy? If Batman kills, how is he different than any of his villains?
>>71588799
I'm just going to assume you liked MoS and BvS and completely ignore your "opinion"
>>71588740
>le epic brand loyalty meme
you have to go back.
>>71588772
Why buy DC when you have hundreds of other comic heroes from an infinite source material at hands? Marvel can make a fucking Antman movie successful.
>>71588836
>Are you guys getting paid for this?
No, they do it for free because Warner is too poor right now to pay for shills on a cantonese gardening website
>>71588871
batman has killed people in the comics for decades. Fuck off with this meme
>>71588902
SPACE
>meme
SPACE
go back to lebbitand you tell me to go back? lmao
>>71588740
3 hours and an R rating just to raise eyebrows? Nah.
>>71588857
Maybr even lower because it would have even less of actual Batman v Superman fighting compared to the overall runtime.
The cinema cut still has better potential for memes
>>71588871
>>71588943
Who?
>>71587145
man, what's up with everyone's obsession with this movie? it came out. it sucked. carry on. stop clogging up the fucking board with this shit. or maybe /tv/ should get a proper mod and pool all the threads together.
>>71588943
>for decades
How to spot the retard
>>71588946
>le real 4chan badboys dont space during posts meme
literally started 2 weeks ago holy fuck
>DKeks will never EVER get over this shit
>>71588924
Not really, they're sort of starting to run out of interesting characters, especially with Netflix stealing some of their best characters. Unless they decide to fully integrate Daredevil to the MCU. I mean other than the obvious female characters, who is there left to make movies about? Moon Knight? Namor? Fucking Hercules?
>>71589004
denial; "memes"
>>71588673
>This should have been a World's Finest movie
someday
>>71589024
>literally started 2 weeks ago holy fuck
thanks for confirming. hope you dont forget to go back.
>>71588997
well this guy for one >>71588993
>>71589018
when do you think this picture is from? >>71588993
>>71587222
instead of waiting 1,5 hour for some action you now wait 2h, thats the only differencenice trips tho
>>71588943
And it was literally so shit that Marvel could do their own copycats that gave heroes more death and became more popular than the people who invented superheroes because people realize that Vigilantes who go around and kill people are not heroes.
>>71588943
> I don't actually read comics but I dimly remember that one golden age panel of the dude using a shotgun
>>71589028
What if Justice Quips: Now With Fun is successful? Will they admit the "Marvel way" worked? Or will they be buttblasted that it's not "patrichan" anymore?
>>71589068
>Batman kills some criminals in the first couple of years of his comics and then NEVER AGAIN
>'HE HAS BEEN KILLING FOR DECADES'
retard
>>71588943
You're wrong. 1930s Batman doesn't count, nobody gives a shit about this antiquated version of Batman. And even if he did kill more recently, it's because he was poorly written by some edgy writer and it should be disregarded as it goes against decades of established continuity
>>71587145
>with renewed energy
The movie is a fucking bore with grimdark cinematography and """heroes""" that hate being heroes and just brood around and quote pretentious pseduo-philosophy every other scene.
Don't steal The Force Awakens' consensus, the film that's actually fun escapism with energy.
Honestly this could have been the Lord of the Rings trilogy of capeshit if the critics weren't such cucks
>>71589060
I've spaced every post for a decade. what purpose in your autistic mind does it serve not to? because you noticed a hot new micro meme and got a little chubby to prove your secret club affiliation? please reevaluate your neet life
>>71588993
This shit was written almost a century ago, this isn't the definitive version everybody knows and loves
>>71589152
>>71589138
http://www.cracked.com/article_20111_the-6-most-brutal-murders-committed-by-batman.html
here you go autists
>>71589192
> cracked.com
you need to go back
>>71589171
>I must prove myself. Ive been here for years!
lmao
>>71589169
> IT'S THE CRITICS' FAULT, NOT THE DIRECTORS'
you're lost, you meant to post this in a Ghostbusters thread right
>>71589192
>All-Star Batman & Robin
Oh yeah, the inspiration for Snyder's NiggerBats
I'm glad me enjoying this movie triggers people here.
>>71589207
>>71588946
>>71589060
Literally autistic 12 year old.
Daily reminder that this is the DCCU target audience.
>>71589200
literally just googled "batman kills" and clicked first result. nice deflection after beinf proven wrong you autistic infant. goddamn capeshit faggatrons are literally the worst fanbase
>>71589192
>cracked.com
Okay so, comics from 1940 and a few retards who got Frank Miller wrong (sounds like Zach Snyder btw) from the late 80s when comics started getting edgy and nobody liked it
>>71589269
Go back to plebbit you fucking newfag
>>71589207
can you say anything besides memes? I bet you think b v s was "capekino" right?
I thought BvS was pretty enjoyable despite some major issues in the scripting, but is the UE really that much better or is this just viral marketing?
>>71589299
the sooner 'kino' is wordfiltered to 'shit' on 4chan the better
>>71589290
>none of this proof counts because I don't like it
too bad autist, you were wrong so accept it and go back to your tendies
>>71589292
no wonder everyone hates dcs fanbase it's truly an underage cesspool
>>71589330
The number of movies where the director's cut made enough of a difference to matter can be counted on a leper's hand.
Once Upon a Time in America comes to mind, i.e. we're talking a movie meant to be closer to 3 hours that was butchered in edit at studio demand.
>>71589330
Take an educated fucking guess
If Zack Snyder can make kino, why didn't he make a Fourth World movie series?
>>71589290
I think both the 80s examples are from Neal Adams who is batshit crazy
Also All-Star Batman & Robin is a elseworld story and it's basically a parody even thought it wasn't supposed to be
>>71589106
I could care less how "successful" it is. I only care about the art and would be extremely disappointed if they turned down the kino in order to appeal to the reddit marvel pleb audience.
>if critics weren't manchildren demanding an adherence to a certain formula
>>71589386
>why didn't he make a Fourth World movie series?
I don't think the work of The One Above All could translate to film and it's probably better that way. Kirby's visuals are too closely tied to the medium and his manner of inking, no one ever lauds the man for his dialogue and his never-ironic "quoting" is even more lost to translation.
If only, though.
>>71589356
It doesn't count as proof cause he's poorly written. Don't you think in almost a century of history Batman wasn't misunderstood by writers at least a few times? I refuse to consider these few instances of him killing as "proof that he kills". How about I post a billion pages in which in doesn't kill anyone?
>>71589444
Well Jimmy Olsen is dead now and we're going to get a butchered Darkseid with no references to any of the other stuff, so enjoy.
>>71589409
>adherence to a certain formula
>implying there's any problem with this
>implying live action movies about people in brightly colored underwear who fly and deflect bullets and evade having their identities found out merit or are improved by any sort of realism
>>71589082
>Vigilantes who go around and kill people are not heroes.
That's the whole fucking point of BvS.
Kys.
>>71589486
b-b-b-but muh super deep metaphor for Jesus only people with <200 IQ understood
t. Zach Snyder
>>71589477
>Jimmy Olsen is dead now
>generic background character who was never named or visibly recognizable as such died, if Snyder hadn't mentioned it in an interview we wouldn't have known because no one even speculated
Also, as someone who's been reading comic books far too long, there is no character in Superman more instantly expendable than Jimmy "Gay for Supes" Olsen.
>>71589486
>I just want the same old mindless consequence-free violence with quips instead of dialogue along with boring visual direction and pretend politics
>>71589573
We are never going to be cured of screenwriters and directors who think Alan Moore improved a medium meant for adolescent boys.
What cinema needs is a direct adaptation of Invincible in a 3 hour format to make people either tired of this or divert it from the big two.
>>71589522
But that's stupid. That means there are no villains either. Unless Snyder is so edgy he'll find a way to make us root for the Joker instead
>>71589580
>generic background character who was never named or visibly recognizable as such died, if Snyder hadn't mentioned it in an interview we wouldn't have known because no one even speculated
Wow. That's like, super-duper defensive. What the fuck? Calm down. Nobody's out to get you.
>>71589635
Wait, are you saying there's something wrong with Moore?
>>71587284
eh, i like dc. marvel movies is just quips
BvS was good, better than Civil War.
>>71589624
>consequence-free violence with quips instead of dialogue along with boring visual direction and pretend politics
If you think Donner's Superman had boring visuals and the Avengers flying truck scene was pure cinematography, there's no point arguing with someone this ill-equipped to debate the point.
> comic book movies should be more like the cutscenes in my AAA murder simulators
This is you, literally. You're not sincerely advocating for better film, you're threatened by the prospect of a movie not being made for YOU.
>>71589642
>"I need everything to be black and white, I can't understand complex world views and a conflict always has to have a good guy and a bad guy"
>>71587145
pure kino
http://vmashup.com/ONk4QdzT
>>71589448
then you're an idiot. everyone knows batman is written as a non killer most of the time. but you dumb fags keep saying batman killing ruins his character, and that its just not something he does. but killing batman has been a take on his character initially in the 30s, 40s, and by various authors in the 80s, 00s, and in issues in between. you're simply wrong. batman who kills is a popular take on the character for the various writers of the comic. just because you don't like it is irrelevent
>>71589744
>If you think Donner's Superman had boring visuals
It did
>the Avengers flying truck scene was pure cinematography
What
Whedon's direction is absolutely horrible
The Russos aren't much better except they've somehow tricked people into thinking their action is good
> comic book movies should be more like the cutscenes in my AAA murder simulators
Why are you bringing videogames into this discussion?
I'm not threatened by anything.
>>71589580
>as someone who's been reading comic books far too long, there is no character in Superman more instantly expendable than Jimmy "Gay for Supes" Olsen.
Sure you have read lot of comics, pal
Sure you have
>>71589642
>That means there are no villains either
yeah no shit. the stupio even forced Zack to include a cgi cave troll baddie at the end for simpletons lIke you who need everything painted black and white
>>71587145
>>71589768
>t. Hack Snyder
But they're superhero movies about people with mental problems dressing up as bats and clowns and super powerful aliens who can fly and shoot laser beams out of their eyes
>complex world views
This deconstruction meme has been going around since the 80s. We get it, the world would freak out if Superman was a thing. We've had Watchmen, Civil War, both Kick Ass movies and the whole DC universe so far to prove that point. And you people wonder why Marvel movies get better reaction from the public and critics
>>71589477
Now that they are being forced to turn the DCEU into the MCU, Jimmy Olsen would be the perfect character to introduce.
But now he's dead, because he "didn't fit these movies". Bravo Snyder.
>>71588602
TDK didn't have a pointless subplot about Kent walking around talking to people while doing research for a story about Batman. Nor did it have a bunch of shit with Lex Luthor being a generally awkward douchebag.
However I do think that many of Nolan's films suffer from the same general problems that Snyder's does. They both write needlessly big scripts and add these little cringeworthy nuggets of smartassery like "You either die a hero or life long enough to see yourself become the villain" or "If man can't kill god, the devil will do it" and so on. it's basically what people write when they just start out writing. Usually someone comes along and tells you that you've written a bunch of garbage, but since Snyder and Nolan have ended up being seen as big shots in the industry nobody either questions their creative decisions or their criticism is ignored. As a result we get BvS and TDKR
bruh look at this duude
>>71589983
>you will never see Jimmy Olsen join a biker gang on the big screen
Oh well, I never had faith in these movies anyway.
>>71589924
>EVERYTHING WRONG WAS FORCED BY THE STUDIO
>'It's Lois Lane!'
>It's Martha instead.
Also fuck the kryptonian spear, I'll just throw it away over here, although the reason for building it was to fight other kryptonians.
Otherwise awesome film, though.
>>71589883
No you're the idiot. Batman's whole point is to not kill because he saw firsthand what killing does to people. If you make him a killer, he's no longer a weirdo with a grudge hellbent on making his city a better place to live for good people, he's just a hypocrite and a mentally unstable killer. I never said he didn't kill in the comics, I only said it's better to disregard those killings because they don't represent the character accurately
>>71590104
>>'It's Lois Lane!'
>>It's Martha instead.
You're assuming the Flash scene had anything to do with BvS at all.
It was just setting up Justice League out of nowhere.
>>71589924
It's not that we didn't "get" what Snyder is trying to say, it's just that nobody asked to see this. Deconstructions have been done before and work better in comics anyway
>>71589768
The level of complexity in comic book movies is on the level of the average stoner conversation.
>Dude, what if like SUperman was real. He'd be like a god or sometjhing
>Bruh, you're blowing my mind!
>>71590142
Not really. Im assuming, that in future Flash's timeline, it was Lois Lane, who was kept a hostage with an hour to be saved.
Or perhaps, that moment, when Bats wants to kill Supes with the spear, in future Flash's timeline he kills Lois Lane out of rage. Must have made sense at that moment to him, when she screamed, that Martha's his mother's name too.
It's not terrible, just could have been done better. Anyways, this will be Bruce's reason to seek out Flash in the future movie, obviously.
build up to build up to build up to fucking nothing: the movie
>>71590026
i disagree with your assessment of "little cringeworthy nuggets of smartassery." these lines are expressly written as potential tag lines and are basically something for marketing teams to exploit. while some of them are definitely cringeworthy, they aren't, per se, indications of freshmen writing, as even a layperson knows a good tag line can spread virally and help the film in the box office. sotheir inclusion is more of a business decision and not a creatively bankrupt addition like you allude.
>>71590283
>Love is the ONE thing that transcends space and time
>>71590282
thats Civil War, mate.
>>71590326
no that was BvS
i haven't watched CW so maybe CW is that too though
>>71590326
Was it?
Remember when capeshit was fun?
>>71590404
Yea it was just a little while ago, when Civil War came out.
>>71590283
I think I just have faith in them not deliberately writing garbage dialog just so they can stick these lines in the trailer. That would quite frankly be worse if you ask me. A kind of cynical marketing ploy that cheapens the finished product.
>>71590352
>>71590354
unfortunately yeah. civil war felt like the first draft of a script and it didn't have any sort of conclusion.
>>71590404
>>71590404
Remember when /tv/ wasn't full of capeshit drones that thought they had taste and knew where they sat on the /tv/ ladder?
>>71590441
>any sort of conclusion
Well it is just an interquel.
>>71590447
Remember when posts like this were made as jests by cynical oldfags who wanted to weed out pretentious newfags by fooling them into thinking they were being serious?
>>71590480
yeah I didn't like that. Felt like I was watching a saturday morning cartoon. Probably what they were going for
Still not even remotely interested tbph, relations.
>>71590438
i think when it comes to multimillion dollar products with the potential for a billion dollar payday these things are definitely taken into consideration. smaller films are given far more leeway creatively, but ultimately these major blockbuster features like BvS, Spiderman, Batman, etc, aren't driven by creativity alone.
>>71588993
>Thinking cossacks are people.
>>71589768
There's always room for moral ambiguity even in the actual comic books themselves, but don't for a moment confuse a genre designed to be comparatively simple morality plays as being suitable for real-world issues.
Let's apply the rules of the real world to comic books, ignoring the laws of physics:
First off, any costumed vigilantes lacking psychic danger warnings who posed a threat to local organized crime would be picked off within a week by rooftop snipers. One staged mugging and forget it.
Secret identities are entirely impossible unless you're a shapeshifter: Thanks to the Klan, many states have statutes making it prosecutable to don the kind of identity-disguising costumes these heroes wear. No cape could possibly testify in court without having their identity confirmed. Oh, and Superman doesn't wear gloves, leaving fingerprints EVERYWHERE. The Batmobile disappearing into an offroad cave at night was a concept invented before the police had helicopters.
No matter how well you cover your paper trail, eventually wikileaks is going to expose your identity.
A known extraterrestrial poses enough of a potential biohazard that the US government already has a protocol in place for removing them to federal facilities, and citizens harboring them a federal crime on par with hiding terrorists.
The Joker's routine trips to Arkham depend on juries, not judges accepting the insanity defense. If the state Gotham's in has no capital punishment, his existence would change that in the next election and we're assuming he somehow manages to never qualify for crimes of a federal nature which override state venue.
Female heroes without substantial physical advantage who fail to overpower a street level thug would be raped in the line of duty.
Superpowers scientifically reproducible would be more prevalent in organized crime because it has the money and the resources, tipping the balance radically.
This is "reality."
>>71587568
That's a pretty bad reach
The UE only fixed some issues such as editing and clearer motivation for some characters, but it still doesn't change the fact that this movie still has a lot of problems beside that
>>71590662
Most importantly the concept of popular heroes even in the MU isn't plausible. The biggest lie the MU and the DCU tell is that American newspapers are still in any sense relevant or form public opinion.
The internet does that now, and everyone's a heel there no matter how many good works they do.
>>71588673
I thought naysayers were memesters but nope, just actually have very low film iq
>watching even more of a shit movie
Nah
Is the Ultimate edition torrent out yet?
>>71589924
why do people try to act like snyder aping nolan and moore is somehow a good thing?
>>71590026
So you're saying the problem is goyer?
>>71591405
for a week yo
>>71591594
Could you share a link please? Only see 720p available
>>71591294
The vast majority of news still comes from press conferences and journalists.
The internet just made reaction pieces pointless.
Also go try and shit on something popular on reddit. See what happens.
>>71587193
>Television & Film
Are you lost?
>>71587530
>Their movies have all been excellent.
>>71591617
I just checked every public tracker and that isn't true for any of them.
Another thread ruined by Marvelfags...
Seriously fuck WB, what the fuck were they thinking?
People would have fucking loved this movie had they just added the extra 30 mins, but now all the people that hated it are too stubborn to watch it again with an open mind.
>>71591758
They were thinking it was a disaster and the best they could hope was a huge opening weekend.
So they cut 30 minutes to get 20% more screenings in the simultaneous international opening holiday weekend before reviews would rightfully rip the movie apart.
>>71591820
nice b8
>>71587734
dcucks dont even know what to think
this is a DC board go to reddit marvelcucks
>>71591999
I prefer Marvel's movies but DC's comics. Where do I go?
>>71592019
>>71588720
Is he badass? Better go get a new wallet and chain from Hot Topic, I mean, if you can get a ride to the mall.
>>71590519
remember when /tv/ didn't watch movies made for autistic manchildren
>>71592058
I'm staying here then.
>>71588772
They should just do Sentry or Hyperion and make fun of it.
>>71592086
Actually that never happened.
>>71589106
no no no, they will say : DC makes the high quality quips. Whatever that means.
>>71589407
>using the word kino unironically
>this entire post
Fuck off to Reddit with your cancer.
>>71592185
he's correct though
>>71592232
Jesus Christ. I just want capeshit fags to leave. This board had gone from shit to complete and utter shit ever since BvS and GoT
>>71589169
Lord of the Rings was a huge technical achievement, reflected its time (9/11) amazingly well, respected its source material, and had heart. BvS failed at all these.
>>71592299
this, we should get back to discussing true kino like problem child 2
>>71592299
Well at least GoT will die after next year.
>>71592338
No, let's talk about why Kingdom of Heaven didn't become its own cinematic universe!
>>71589252
We want a community, but you keep bringing shit taste to it and messing it up for everyone. :)
>>71589407
The success of art can be measured in dollars, man, I'm sorry, but this is universal truth.
>>71592339
2 years
>>71589710
How come it made half as much money?
>>71589681
You say that like BVS didn't have quips?
>Ma Kent, an 80 year old woman, nearly suffers a violent death
>she then immediately begins making shitty jokes about capes
It was even more tonally incoherent, because the movie was trying to portray itself as a grim, realistic deconstruction. Why is this woman making jokes? Why isnt she in shock?
>>71590441
>it didn't have any sort of conclusion.
It ended the depression and nostalgia arcs of Tony and Steve.
>>71590217
You carry the fire.
>>71590443
Nice post, man.
>>71592540
>you know what [previous photographer] always said?
>not a goddamn thing
>>71591758
Apparently none of these scenes were important enough to make it, but we needed that shitty Batmobile chase scene, which contributed nothing to the plot and completely undermined Lex's motivation.
Blame the script. BvS tried to do way too many things, adapting TDKR, adapting the Death of Superman, adapting Hush, adapting Watchmen (again) trying to introduce all of these characters and creating a basis for the DCMU. The script was nowhere near tight enough to do all this effectively.
>>71592791
>adapting Hush
Wait, what?
>>71592791
>and completely undermined Lex's motivation.
what?
>>71590110
No they don't represent what your idea og the character is.
You can't remove history cause you don't like it
>>71593186
>Lex wants Batman to have the kryptonite
>He kills a dozen guards trying to keep Batman from getting the kryptonite
>Batman proceeds to steal the kryptonite off-screen without any casualties
I hate when a movie tells me that a character is brilliant, then has them act in a way that is completely retarded, or at least not risk-averse.
The scene only existed so we could have a mindless action setpiece. It feels so disingenuous when people call BvS a smart movie, and then gloss over all the shlocky bits in the script.
>>71587530
>Their movies have all been excellent.
>>71593402
what exactly undermines Lex's motivation here?
Why would he just give it to Batman?
>>71593530
Actually, Snyder wanted a post-credits scene in MoS that was Lex leaving a chunk of kryptonite to Bruce at the Wayne's Manor door
Not even kidding
>Then out of the blue, in a meeting with screenwriter David S. Goyer and executive producer Christopher Nolan, Snyder made a suggestion. “I said, ‘What about at the end of the movie we do a scene where there’s a crate full of kryptonite delivered to Wayne Manor.’ Everyone was like... ‘Okaay.’ Once you say it out loud it’s a problem because you can't unsay it.”
>>71593530
Lex wants Bruce to have the kryptonite
Lex stops Bruce from getting the kryptonite, killing dozens of his goons in the process
Bruce later steals the kryptonite, without any casualties, and doesn't suspect a thing
Maybe you're willing to make excuses for these pointless scenes, but most of the audience is not.
It's so transparent. You whine that the movie had to cut out pivotal plot scenes. You should be upset that they included these pointless action setpieces over some of the other extended scenes.
You can't admit that the movie was flawed though.
>>71593874
Good thing that didn't happen then
>>71593874
He's this generation's Kubrick
>>71593874
I love when people bend over backwards to find the "deep meaningful themes" of Snyder's movies, then he goes and says something completely retarded like this.
>>71593897
He makes Bruce take it unaware, that's not undermining his motives though.
I don't see why him having to kill anyone for it matters considering it's completely different circumstances
>>71594028
The movie makes it clear that Lex could have let Bruce steal it without suffering any casualties, yet he decides to throw away a bunch of henchmen to protect something that he wants stolen.
The problem is that by having these scenes right next to each other it makes Lex, our machiavellian supervillain, look like a retard.
The majority of the audience felt this way. This is the message that the movie conveyed.
>>71594205
Do you really think Lex gives a shit that a few of his henchmen die? He would've been more interested in throwing Bruce off his trail than the lives of a few men
>>71588602
TDK wasn't two movies glued together, that's why. Batman and Superman meeting should have been a separate movie from setting up the Justice League movie.
>delusional shitposters: the thread
>>71594315
He clearly doesn't thing much of Bruce, if the "check messages" are any proof. 5 minutes of detective work would have shown that they were forgeries.
Lex's plan wasn't smart.
>>71588602
TDK was its own, self-contained story
It didn't need to set up a shitty extended universe
That, and the script was much much tighter.
>>71590278
>>71590104
This shit really fucking bothered me. Batman is a paranoid super-genius and he throws the fucking spear away? Based on everything we know about Batman he'd still keep the spear in case Superman goes rogue, or just to keep it out of the wrong hands, or maybe even to use against whatever the fuck Lex is doing at the Kryptonian ship.
And I think the Lois Lane line from Flash was about a different timeline entirely, one where Batman kills Lois accidentally or purposefully for whatever reason.
>>71594373
I'm not sure what you mean, he never knew about the cheques until shortly before the Capitol explosion.
It's hardly airtight but all it really relied on was Lex knowing who Batman was.
>>71594919
>I'm not sure what you mean
Then there's no point talking to you.
I'm glad you enjoyed the movie, though.
>>71594963
I don't understand how you think that makes his plan fall apart, he knows who Batman is, therefore he assuredly knows his mental state and how to manipulate him.
