Wait...we're all just memeing, right? You guys don't ACTUALLY believe that this grimdark, depressing, joyless, pretentious, le christian allegory, tryhard nonsense is actually good, right?
This is one of the worst comic book films ever made. Yeah, it has some pretty scenes, but it's a terrible chore to watch, and everything is just so fucking dour and sad. Not to mention Zack Snyder turned Superman into Doctor Manhattan. No one wants to see their Superman going around making quotes about existential dread. Superman is about hope in the face of adversity. Don't even get me started on Batman aka Murderman..Batman's no kill rule is crucial; it's the reason he's so interesting, he sticks to his morals. He can be corrupted. He NEVER kills because he knows that if he did he wouldn't be any better than the scum that he pursues.
The movie is pure unadulterated trash, and arguably the most disappointing film of all time. The real sad thing too is how Warner Bros refuses to learn from their mistakes; they're so fucking stubborn! They're STILL with Snyder.
>inb4 someone calls me a marvelfag
Civil War was trash too. That assembly line product, tv cinematography garbage is even worse.
Capeshit is in the worst state it's ever been; let's not pretend it isn't just to save face.
>>71483710
People hate what they don't understand
(You)
OP here.
I meant "he *can't be corrupted."
>>71483761
Oh trust me, I understand clearly.
>>71483834
Your post says othwise. Maybe you should watch BvS again.
>>71483834
nope
>>71483914
>>71483941
Lol so buttblasted
>le 30 minutes of film will save it
So delusional it's almost sad.
>>71483710
>How can you like this movie?!
>There's not enough quips!
Also...
>inb4 someone calls me a marvelfag
Don't worry Mouseketeer, I'm respectful of your trigger warnings.
>>71483978
>Lol so buttblasted
Thanks for proving that you're nothing but a child. Get out of here kid.
>>71483761
>>71483914
>>71483941
>>71484174
OP is objectively correct.
>>71483710
'Reeeeeeee it's up to me how a character should behave, how dare they change them from what my favourite interpretation of them is'
Grow up you autistic turd
>>71484327
see
>>71484314
>>71483710
The movie is shit, we all know this.
>>71483710
>le art can't be depressing
Found the redditor
>>71483710
>grimdark, depressing, joyless, pretentious, le christian allegory, tryhard nonsense
>all those buzzwords
wew
>>71483710
not everyone shares your opinion
DEAL
WITH
IT
>>71483710
spoken like a true Marvel fan...
>>71483710
Welcome to the worst board on 4chan, they're all completely fucking serious.
>>71483761
indeed
It started out as a joke but retards took it seriously and now here we are.
>>71483710
>Don't even get me started on Batman aka Murderman.
You didn't see the movie did ya. You are just copy/pasting things you read here
>>71484837
>>71484872
>>71484840
Are these the best retorts you can come up with? Pitiful.
>>71483710
>Batman's no kill rule is crucial; it's the reason he's so interesting, he sticks to his morals. He can be corrupted. He NEVER kills
Tell that to Tim Burton's Batman
You are also forgetting that Batman did not murder that child rapist. He only scarred him and let the cops/law deal with him
Otherwise yes Batman did kill Lex's thugs but you have to remember this is a Batman who lost his best partner: Robin who was murdered by Joker (if I am correct is the story) or either way: he lost Robin, also he lost Wayne Manor due to it being burnt up.
Snyder gives us an aging changed Batman. What's wrong with seeing something that we have never seen before on screen? Either way: Ben Affleck is one of if not the best person to ever play Batman.
>>71485002
You sound so stupid.
>>71485006
I liked the movie
>>71485020
>the best
He's not even better than Val.
>>71485048
What a comeback.
>>71484314
>G-get the RT score guys!
BvS, like Tony Scott films and numerous other films, are spectacular pleb filters.
>>71485056
Then you're on the wrong board kiddo
>>71483710
yes we're all meming you fucking idiot
>>71485138
as far as I know this is a DC board. /lit/, /co/, /v/ are Marvel ones
>>71485196
/co/ is pretty anti-Marvel.
>>71485176
you don't speak for everyone...
>>71485134
Forgetting BvS for a moment, that pic makes me more mad than seeing Mousehunt's RT score
It's a great capeshit flick. At this point, it feels like jews are trying to crash Ben Afflect like they did with Mel Gibson.
Yes, most of us are memeing. Then again there are some DC dags like this who honestly believe this movie is a cinematic masterpiece:
https://youtu.be/MSJRZP6GzAc
>>71485002
Please stop projecting your sociopathic traits onto me. I indeed saw the movie. If I didn't I assure you I wouldn't have spent so much time writing out what I wrote in the OP.
>>71485134
>Black man saving white girl
>39%
How?
>>71485359
How many horses did you see?
>>71485369
this movie was made before the SJW's ran the industry
>>71485359
I bet they like it just to stand out from the crowd. Literal hipsters.
>>71485273
>b-b-blame it on the jooz
Jews are the one that made the film retard. When will /pol/ leave? They never look at films from an objective technical viewpoint. Everything is a political agenda to them. If you knew even the SLIGHTEST about the inner-workings of filmmaking and storytelling, you'd see how BvS is incredibly subpar.
>>71485369
>how dare you portray this shithole as a shithole!
Typical crap like that, all Mexicans are adorable gardeners after all
>>71485369
The Jews pushed it on us to perpetuate muh forced interracial meme. Then they saw we actually appreciated its merits as a film and had to shut it down.
>>71485134
You're saying that score should be lower, right?
>>71485442
Are you referring to the beginning of the extended cut with the whole nonsensical CIA Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane subplot? Sorry I wasn't keeping count.
>>71485542
thanks you just confirmed that you didn't saw it...
>>71485517
>le j00z
>>71485635
>I'LL J-J-JUST TELL MYSELF TJAT HE DIDN'T SEE THAT'LL WORK
I'd be laughing if you weren't so pathetic. Are you going to try to atleast engage in an intellectual discussion about the film with me or do you just want to protect your safe la la land space by pretending I'm not real?
>>71484928
The best part about the line is how it accidentally references the theatrical cut. The executive producers felt the same way, and cut out the parts where Kent is investigating Batman.
>>71486043
Kek
>>71483710
>we're all just memeing, right?I am. I fucking hated BvS.
>>71483710
look on the bright side.
at least they're not pushing an incredibly obvious feminist agenda in the movies yet.
>>71483710
even if you were right in your descriptions of the contents of the movie, it still wouldn't be bad
glad you're willing to just call this all capeshit and call it a day
>people actually defending this trash capeshit film
/tv/ is cancer. /v/ has officially taken over
>>71486933
Yes, the days of half the threads being about BBCs and cucks was truly the golden age of /tv/.
>>71484990
>It started out as a joke
Actually it started out seriously, quickly became a joke, and now people who saw it on reddit are taking the jokes seriously.
t. meme expert
>>71485482
do you even read the critics reviews retard? everything they say is political and never objective.
>>71485482
This
>>71483710
it's the best capefilm ever made honestly. The memes are pretty accurate anon
>>71487135
What's wrong with the British broadcasting service?
>>71488787
The movie has like five opening scenes and it jumps from subplot to subplot. The narrative is immensely fucked. It's a disaster of epic proportions that you think is "LE COOL" because it had cool slo mo explosions and dark cinematography.
>>71483710
You fool. This is the perfect allegory on opposites colliding. Superman is a god. Batman is a man. God fights man. Just like Lex said.
Kino.
>>71488906
Their teeth is dirty.
>>71489030
maybe you're just too fucking stupid to understand what's going on?
Pretty lame movie even as a dcuck
>>71489030
/thread
if you want a smiling superman do random bullshit to inspire people you can watch superman returns and be done with that, in this universe it's more of a realistic approach to an alien existing in our world, i feel like this is more interesting this way, hence my praise.
man of steel and bvs were so refreshing compared to generic tv show tier action scenes done by marvel studios, i mean i re-watched all their movies recently, and only worth of being admired are iron-man 1, gotg and the winter bourne.
>>71489947
Yea, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE THEMES OF GOD VS MAN?!
>>71486031
there were two distinct shots with horses. It's safe to say you didn't watch the movie
>>71489947
BvS is all style no substance
>>71489030
It's ok bud. Just remember that you're special.
>>71490014
nobody shoves god vs man theme into your mouth, this is what irritates me, there are two sides to this movie, you can either watch a 3 hour long movie about envy,wrath, and the redemption and be done with that, it has all the things for a superhero movie for the audience to enjoy, amazing cinematography,choreography,soundtracks, action scenes, compared to marvel movies it doesn't do 1521512 angle shots in femtosecond.
on the other side it has themes such as god vs man, nihilism vs the faith, you can discuss and argue about who's being right and who is wrong, this is what makes this movie so good for me.
>>71490344
while marvel has neither
>>71483710
I agree with you OP. I've been a big Superman fan since I was a kid and this movie totally mishandled him. The 90s era dark and brooding Superman is a black eye in his history that he's only partially recovered from. Sure it was popular at the time, but looking back it's awkward, stupid and just not entertaining. I can't understand why Snyder insists on this interpretation of the character. Visually he's one of the best capeshit directors, but tonally it's all wrong.
>>71490727
Well said, took the words right out of my mouth
>>71490727
we saw more of a lighthearted heroic take on superman tier characters such as thor, how did it turn out exactly?
>>71483710
DELET THIS
>>71483710
100% agree. Even agree moreso with Civil War - they LITERALLY hired TV directors to film Winter Soldier and Civil War. It shows, because its all grey blur shlocky crap, nothing framed well or even any interesting shots.
>>71491168
>brings up Civil War for no reason
Found the DCuck
>>71491131
holy shit lmao, marvelcucks actually keep reposting this shit.
>>71491371
No one has proven it wrong yet
>>71490442
You're right, but atleast Marvel still has a fun entertaining aspect to it.
>>71491487
multiple times
yet you people keep ignoring it
the whole movie moves forward on cause and effect, things happen and characters react
something happens, and then the next few scenes are things that happen because of the scene
that tirade about consequences is meaningless as it could be said about almost all movies, since most of them are about the experiences that cause internal change
>>71490727
you are absolutely wrong, to the point of blatantly twisting whats onscreen
given superman's evolving situation in bvs, does him being doubtful about his place in the world make sense? of course it does
you people throw around these meaningless buzzwords when the story of bvs clearly portrays a man who cares about the world but has his doubts as his very existence seems to be the problem like lex luthor suggests
and there is no such thing as "tonally wrong" the tone fit the story and the things that happen in the story
its absolute bullshit that people are saying this movie is dark when fantasy movies in general even have much more violence than this
Legitimately the only great cape film since 2009
>>71491487
>entire movie is a set up for Justice League.
First of all, this movie is an introduction for a batman and superman relationship, their views on each other, and interaction, i don't see how a 15 second metahuman fanservice makes the whole movie a justice league set up.
but hey you know what's funny, basically all the latest marvel movies are set up for the infinity, sorta hypocritical in a funny way.
>first half involves the slow build to Lex building his master plan to get bats and supes fight.
2/3 of the movie is about superman and batman taking the bait, lex luthor pulling the strings etc.
i see no problem with that, it's lex what else do you expect from him, i mean at least he's not shown like zemo, a.k.a some random guy who can do all types of things using a rubber mask and a fake I.D.
>Bat and Supes fight for a bit then resolve their differences, negating the first half of the movie.
did you even watch the movie?, superman wasn't even trying to fight him, it was more of a way to show the way batman turned out to be, the same thug he has become which lead to the breaking point in his life. and of course the realization and the redemption.
>with the first half made as filler, the only real thing of a consequence that happens in Bats,Supes, and Wondie beating Doomsday.
what? it literally led to superman's ultimate sacrifice, death.
>everything before this is about lex's plan,uncovering lex's plan, and lex's plan to amp up Bats and supes to fight and kill each other, which they don't.
lex's plan wasn't to make batman and superman kill eachother,
it was to show the humanity that the all powerful can't be all good, and the all good can't be all powerful, to show the world that they follow the false messiah, batman was just an annoying fly to Lex, which he tries to use as a trigger for superman's breaking point.
>This would be interesting if Lex Luthor was a dark protagonist.
ain't he? he's a mentally unstable genius.
will cont.
I understand all you folks have your own problems with the movie, but why is nobody mentioning the insufferable "reality TV feel" shakey cam that went on through the entire running length?
How do these clowns get jobs as cameramen if they can't hold a camera steady? It's the most basic of basic film-making techniques.
>>71483834
Oh, trust me, everything in your first post speaks clearly how little you understand about this film, and what they're setting up for the DCEU long-term.
When it all becomes clear, I hope you have the good grace to admit you were wrong.
>>71491131
is this copypasta made for civil war and then edited into bvs? cause it feels like it.
>>71492494
The shaky cam was half of my problem. with BvS.
That and how many CGI Micheal Bay style explosions and special effects they packed into every fight scene, the Doomsday fight especially, made it really difficult to see what the fuck was going on, and I heard "Wait, what just happened?" multiple times from people near me at the theater.
>>71492494
At least Michael is getting work
Did anyone find Ben Afleck's overweight, pudgy face to be kind of comedic and sort of ruined all the batman scenes?
I like it. Emotional, operatic action film that manages to use the 180 minutes really well, never running on empty tank.
>>71485215
As a /co/ bro, I'd say I'm more anti-Disney than I am anti-marvel. They raped everything compelling out of the Marvel characters and left us with bland, superficial shit. Unoffensively entertaining though it may be, don't let's pretend it's anywhere in the neighborhood of a faithful treatment of the characters.
The only one they stood a chance of doing a decent job with was Spider-Man. Unfortunately, they've already turned all the other characters into Spidey, and when everyone's Spidey, no one is.
>>71483710
BvS is to Kino what Joyce is to literature, i.e. that which is so sublime that it can only be appreciated by those who are both dilligent and intelligent.
No the movie is pretty good, it's just unfaithful to the comic version of the characters. If you treat it as an Elseworlds it's fine.
Its just /v/edditors.
Don't worry about it.
>>71492829
aside from batman on the verge of losing it, its the most faithful batman
superman has had so many variations even in the main canon
to me i just take the guy i see on screen at face value, and i'm glad its a somewhat laid back guy who focuses on doing what he can. the dichotomy between how people see him and how he lives his life/how he sees himself was succinctly
i really fucking hate the bumbling, glasses adjusting, faux social naivety that some people say is endearing. please don't take this as disparaging if this happens to be your pov
>>71492854
almost everything bvs related was spawned here. the pasta, the images, the memes, all of it started here on /tv/
>>71492709
there was hardly any shaky cam in BvS, are you retarded?
Yet every single action sequence in Civil War was filmed by Michael J Fox
>>71486031
It's impossible to engage in an intellectual discussion with someone with opinions as unsupported and nonsensical as yours, so I think I'll just ignore you completely from here on out.
>>71493272
>almost everything bvs related was spawned here
And?
This board has been full of the /v/eddit entrainment sensibility for the last 2 years.
>>71493332
My opinions are supported by the 27% RT score that this film currently has, retard.
>>71490429
So much this.
>>71493348
the point is that there was absolutely no crossover between what was posted here and what was posted on reddit for months
the scenario you're talking about is impossible in the face of this
how the fuck can you say "oh its reddit" when the posters HERE are the ones influencing THEM
>>71493441
Easily. See >>71493348
>This board has been full of the /v/eddit entrainment sensibility for the last 2 years.
I mean you should know that unless you're one of them yourself.
>>71493411
If you agree with those reviews, you deserve the retarded world you live in, dipshit.
lol people are still talking about capekino
>>71493411
Really? That's it? Films worth is measured by fucking RT scores to you?
This is a good film, but god you fucking /co/mbler niggers can only debate with arguments that belong to /g/ or fucking /v/ with how retarded fanboy-like they are.
You don't even deserve Zack Snyder. You deserve the worst blandest fucking directors they can throw at you, and boy they've tried that with Russos and Whedon
>>71493484
one of who? reddit? literally never posted there, and only check it out whenever i'm tracking the way something moves through different areas of discussion
again, how the fuck can you claim that something is representative of a certain group when that group only came to somewhat display the activity we're talking about MUCH LATER
I really don't get the hate. in relation to marvel i'd put it below winter soldier, avengers and civil war and above everything else. i mean it's not bad for a second try, doesn't anyone remebers that thor and hulk and most of those early movies were shit?
>>71493605
Ang Lee's Hulk is one of the three nuMarvel films that are worth watching.
>>71493591
Again easily. >>71493348
>for the last 2 years
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/text/capekino/order/asc/
You may not browse that site, but you share the state of mind of one.
>>71493685
you've linked to a bunch of obvious bait and shitposts that have nothing to do with what we're talking about
"share the mind of"
what the fuck are you talking about.
firstly, how do you know my "mind" and how do you know i share it with whatever group you're pulling out of your ass
secondly, you haven't even demonstrated any correlation, at all
for you to even begin to try to prove anything, you'd have to display both sites side by side in relation to time and even then you'd have to point out posting patterns
>>71493867
>/v/ sensibility playing dumb to save face
Maybe when you've passed sixth grade and have 1/20th of the cinematic skill set I have i'll remotely listen to your plebeian rambling
>>71493965
Oh please do brag more about your credentials. It's good to know that I, a millionaire, philanthropist and particle physicist with an eidetic memory and an encyclopedic knowledge of film, am not wasting my time arguing with an anonymous retard on a Mongolian sand painting forum.
You're too boring and predictable to hold my attention, so enjoy your pleb opinions, I suppose.
>>71493965
>>71493965
i don't play videogames
and none of what you're saying is relevant to what we're talking about
we're not talking about movies and how to make them
we're talking about internet posting behaviors
i mean look at you go. pulling the superiority complex post when there's not even a set up for it, completely deflecting from what we're talking about.
funny how this type of post is always meant to feign superiority while being a blatant admission of having been cornered
>>71483710
This is how you say you're from Reddit in a lot of words.
>>71494474
or just "i like capeshit and modern /tv/" haha
>>71494474
>can't come up with a refute to defend his shitty capeshit
>I'LL J-J-JUST SAY HE'S FROM REDDIT
That's how you know this film is trash. The tryhards that pretend to like it can't even defend it.
>>71494835
Why should I defend it? I recognise its greatness. Not all can do that. I have better things to do than trying to make you understand this piece of cinematic storytelling. All I'm saying is you can go be mad about this movie on Reddit. You have upvotes there. You have gold. It's more suited to attention whores.
>>71494966
it's good and there are lots of pretty shots, but the narrative is too disjointed for it to be great. also killing suerman then wasting 20mins on his funeral and reactions of the people is irritating when no one in the audience believes he's really dead
>>71483710
It wouldn't be capekino if it was accessible for plebs like you, dummy.
If it bothers you this much kindly remove thineself from the board, and save us the time of experiencing your daily puerile rage.
>>71495164
>people is irritating when no one in the audience believes he's really dead
You are a gigapleb.
It wasn't for the audience. Either the audience can guess he ain't dead (franchise), or they know (comics), it was for the characters in the film.
The film isn't pandering to you.
>>71495251
Delusion is real.
>>71494966
Why is it someone else's problem that you don't have the cinephilic intelligence to say anything about something you've invested hours of your life into defending?
Cry on /tv/ all you want, nobody here gives a fuck how shit you are at cinema, because everyone on this laughing stock of a board is equally terrible (but at least they know it).
>>71495318
You are the delusional one. You except a film to do pander to you. It's not a fucking fan service film and thank god for that.
>>71495470
>You except a film to do pander to you
>It's not a fucking fan service film
If it's not a fan service film then don't put Injustice references and don't put TDKR plot here, just make a new story.
The UE is excellent. Arguably the best cape film. Real men with real motivations, visual splendor, heart, beautifully choreographed, brutal action. GOAT Batman easily. Lex origin story.
Absolutely shits on Nolan and most Marvel.
>>71495553
It worked fine on its own. I have no clue of those and the film was easy to follow
>>71495607
agreed anon.
>>71495164
>but the narrative is too disjointed for it to be great
it wasn't
>muh superman death
no one really knows what happens next. nothing wrong with going that route
>>71495607
it's a grander movie for sure, but sometimes it loses itself in all the shit it's trying to cram in there. injustice, dark knight returns, death of superman, new gods, JL cameos, wew lad
>that zack feel when you try so hard to please the fans and they end up hating you
>>71495607
Its not just the best of bunch of shit cape.films.
Its a good film. No cape prefix or suffix whatever its named is required.
>>71495830
it is when it means over half of the justice league movie will now be without superman so people can wank even more over JL leader batman
>>71495842
I have absolutely no clue of any od those comic references you refer to and the film waa easy to follow and made sense every step
>>71495607
truly. truly. truly. the UE is hands down the best film this year. maybe of the past several years.
>>71495893
then you didn't understand it. it's like that armond white review where he praises the dream sequence in the desert because of the "harpies" representing batman's guilt when those were just fucking parademons. if you have no knowledge of comics there's no way you were able to follow a third of the shit in this movie or the implications of things that were shown like the omega symbol, flash's warning, etc.
>>71495371
I'm not defending it. I have no desire to work on a futile task. All I'm saying is that you're better off on Reddit and you're attacking me for liking the movie.
>>71495843
Watchmen, The Dark Knight and BvS honestly elevated the genre to legit art IMO.
I don't think any other capeshit film is up to par with those three. Batman Returns was close with the first half but the second half descended into camp. Unbreakable fits in but it's not really a capeshit film. Winter Solider could have been great if they stuck with the political thriller elements but it also decided to go the cheesy route too often, same with Civil War.
>>71495607
>>71495761
>>71495842
>>71495843
>>71495956
Is this bait???
>>71484209
if anyone is a child its the guy who's upset someone doesnt like their batman movie
>/a/
>shits on naruto, one piece, death note, ...
>/lit/
>disgustingly elitist
>/v/
>does not stop complaining about casuals, consoles, COD, battlefield, etc etc
>/tv/
>keeps praising capeshit
WHY???
Why is this board the plebbiest of all 4chan boards?
>>71496146
Nope.
stop using "dark", "gritty", and "sad" as the reasons why this movie is bad. thats not why people are upset at this movie. in fact most people want their comic book movies to have some sort of dark and realistic tone.
there were just a lot of bad decisions made during the writing, directing and casting. they just got a lot of shit wrong.
nothing to do with qips or fun. its just shitty.
>>71496065
>I have no desire
Then you pretty much solidified your place right alongside reddit in plebeian central. I mean I expected a pathetic rebuttal, but this just takes the cake. Imagine what this kid looked like scrambling this piece of trash post out.
>>71483710
The only regret is that Zack flew too close to the Sun; we will never reach such capekino heights again.
he's coming
>>71496307
waah waah its.not like my precious comics waah
>>71496321
Don't ever fucking respond to me again unless you're contributing to this thread.
>>71495607
Snyder’s thrillingly intelligent use of interior conflict and political antagonism vastly outclasses Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy: Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and The Dark Knight Rises — all noxious — which were bellwethers of our culture’s decline.
It takes just such dreamlike moral clarity to reprove the Nolan trilogy’s chaos.
Fanboys prefer the Nolan films for their “darkness,” which emphasized the sophomoric, pseudo-tragic elements of the Batman graphic novels. But Snyder’s more adult treatment finds the material’s emotional core. This displeases the fanboy/hipster whose adolescent embarrassment about feelings was exploited through Nolan’s emotionless violence and post–9/11 nihilism. Snyder counters that cultural crisis and (through the script by Chris Terrio and David S. Goyer) visualizes the millennial moral struggle as pop myth. His essential subject is mankind’s struggle to discover compassion as well as common obligation — or dare I use the non-political term: brotherhood?
The pain of post–9/11 as reflected in Nolan’s Batman films was a paradigm shift. But fantasy cannot conscientiously be enjoyed Nolan’s way, without any sense of social, historical, or moral consequence. Snyder manipulates this new paradigm so that mankind’s sense of mortality is embodied by Batman, Superman, and their arch-nemesis, Lex Luthor. (All three characterization performances are, well, perfect.)
>>71496268
a genius by any measure. on the level of hitchcock without a doubt
>>71496250
>>71494572
>>71496364
minus the fake crying, yeah pretty much. ur gonna make a movie about something no shit you got to use the material well.
>>71483710
>le BvS sucks meme
Stop trying to push this so hard. It wasn't funny when the movie first came out, it's not funny now either.
>>71496400
Agreed. No capekino has gone so far as to deconstruct the most basic tenets of the superhero genre and the way it applies to the real world. No one has asked the deepest questions about how to justify the juncture of religion, politics, and capekino. No one until Zack Snyder.
>>71496372
Try to refine your tastes past a sixth grade level before you try and chastise a board (of which undoubtedly have more interesting taste than you).
You people are literally all slaves to fashion and what the "critics" think. Finally, a movie somehow slipped through that was good and got shown at a lot of theaters, and-- let's face it-- if you took the same exact same movie, gave it a 99% on RT, the 99% of people on here would have changed their tone, but quickly.
The main review for BBC gave it a great review, but that was suddenly buried once they realized which was the wind was blowing.
One of the great ironies of our age-- the more there is room for people to express "individual" opinions, they more they are in line with the judgements.whims of a small amount of ((elites)) who have appointed themselves cultural arbiters.
I work in the film industry. And yes, in specific I worked on this film in a small capacity. I don't even feel the need to "defend" something I had a very small role in helping to bring to life as I feel the duty to point out to you people that you are ensuring that NO STUDIO will ever take anything resembling a "risk" with a big budget franchise for decades to come.
From the beginning, this was an attempt to go "outside the box" (as far as possible with Snyder directing, which I agree was a shitty choice) and to see whether a film could take risks and have a darker tone and still be relatively profitable.
It's now been shown, it cannot. So, take it from me, have seen the script for the JL part 1, now you can have usual bullshit without any form or artistic risk just designed to collect money.
Certain people high up fought tooth and nail to take artistic chances on an almost impossible timeline with insistence from the studio this had to set up as many as 22 (!) future movies.
And all this with Snyder at the helm..
i will never not hate this movie for taking man of steel 2 from me and filling it with goddamn FUCKING batman, because hey, batman has to beat wolverine at being in fucking everything
>>71491131
based authentic /tv/ blowing the fuck out of reddit capeshit drones
>>71496637
>you now live in an age where 850 million isn't profitable
Jews, you're taking it too far
>>71496566
actually alan moore did all that, snyders just aping him and missing every point he made.
>>71496637
Chris Terrio is writing Justice League. It will be formatted after Seven Samurai. It will be kino.
>>71496808
Seven Samurai is trash.
>>71496526
Oh, when you say use it well as in take a DKR, transpose the character arcs and make it Clark's sacrifice that inspires Bruce back out of his cynicism and obsession? Or maybe you mean taking the death of Superman, which was largely just a marketing gimmick and imbuing it with narrative weight such as being the act by which he ultimately chose to embrace the hero's path and face down his demons and simultaneously serve as the sacrifice that elevates a cynical, mundane world into a new "Heroic Age," and fosters a resurgence of magic?
Or maybe you were talking about the metanarrative where Superman, the first superhero, died for the sins of his fans, who'd been demanding their heroes take on more and more moral ambiguity and "realism?"
Choose your world, anon.
>>71496839
well said anon.
>>71495607
The opening scene of The Dark Knight has more artistic integrity than the entirety of BvS's Turkish Airlines sponsored runtime. Keep going though, you're obviously impressing the /v/tard IMDB sensibilities of the plebs on this board.
>>71496839
fucking absolutely savagge no holds barreled fucking serving
>>71496689
Yeah, except that's all been answered so many times that the fans actually made pastas out of the replies. Then buttblasted faggots called it autism and memes without ever once refuting one word of the response.
There were periods when actual fans of the films couldn't discuss them without their threads getting reported and deleted.
That's "based /tv/" for you. You should be proud.
>>71496808
like thats a unique thing to do. jesus, theyre doing a magnificent seven remake, this isnt anything clever for a screenwriter to do
You know, at first I got annoyed with all these constant hate threads against Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice™. Why the constant hate? Why? But as I ponder, I'm kinda glad. Snyder has created a masterpiece. Even after all these months, these years, MoS and BvS are still getting discussed, interpreted and explained. No Marvel movie has had this resonance and intellectual discussion, but Snyder, he has created an everlasting masterpiece that will be discussed for years and years to come. I'm in awe in how much cultural impact Snyder has.
We are not worthy. Thank you Snyder, thank you.
>>71497043
Keep crying you nonauthentic poster
>>71496839
what you said is all fine and great but what you are doing is essentially polishing a turd. the execution of this movie from the ground up was trash. the themes, concepts, and action was great but everything else was subpar (especially the writing and characterization) and didn't convey those themes strongly enough.
you had to reach a little just to make this movie sound deep.
>>71496969
>The opening scene of The Dark Knight has more artistic integrity than the entirety of BvS's Turkish Airlines sponsored runtime
It really doesn't. And TDK is as IMDB as it gets.
>>71496839
not the guy. personally, i have to problem with this as DC has a multiverse filled with everything from vampire batman to a superman that's been living inside the sun for 800 centuries, so i just approach there movies as an alterante reality.
HOWEVER, you are full of shit if you think this movie is faithful to the main universe/real DC characters.
batman's fucking obssessed with the death of his parents, it's the forming event of his life. his mother was kiled by a gun and that's why he would never EVER use one even if he did become unhinged enough to kill.
luthor is a cold calculating man, not a neurotic semi-hysterical twerp
superman is...i'm not even going into that, he's the worst of all the characters in this when it comes to betraying the core of a character, it would take too fucking long
>>71496969
/thread
>>71497172
the film being faithful.to stuff outside of the film's context is irrelevant
>>71491131
>However
how the fuck did people start equating people who don't hate the movie with /v/ when /v/ was bashing it since the beginning
This thread is fucking awful. What are some actually good capekinos?
>>71497255
the guy i responded to is the one who made the argument that the film WAS faiithful, is what i'm saying
>>71483710
When is the directors cut being released?
(cont'd) I'm not going to necessarily argue the film was "good," but god if the overall audience has just given people a chance to make a complete break with Coyer and his film-ruining nonsense so her could get back to writing video games where he belongs, the next 2 movies would have been amazing.
Instead, both scripts have been gutted, and both are going to be absolute shit. Although, then, maybe that's what you want?
Had DOJ been allowed to go head as Goyer had it....you cannot imagine how bad it would have been, that's if Tsujihara had even allowed it to go ahead.
As someone who worked with Sony at that time, you cannot imagine the piece of shit Goy produced that was handed over over to the new writer, which he had exactly 5 1/2 weeks to finish, and ended up getting paid nothing but to a clause dictating the minimum mount film had to earn.
I doubt anyone here believes word ( say (hell, I wouldn't believe anyone here either) but has this film just done a little bit better at the box office-- if the fucking "critics--" failed, jealous, wana be filmmakers they all are-- could have just let this one do decently, it would have opened up a entire new fun world instead of closing up and going back to the usual formula of bollocks that is "the super-hero genre."
Used to joke, should have pushed "diversity" or x rights ir y rights harder in the film, since it is apparently now the film critic's role to safeguard the public morality and ensure that any group possibly"oppressed" or marginalized by society are pushed hard enough.
The people who mostly behind this weren't in it for money so much as to try to change to face of a genre that has become comically boring at this point. Whatever the reasons, it failed, and so expected the next movie (s) to suck with all anyone check to see if it they get best 1 billion dollars domestically.
More jokes? Lighter mood? Less "intellectual?" you got it. Enjoy.
>>71497317
>>71497172
you're the fucking autist. why can't directors have differrent takes on characters. wayne batman kills, so does millers. hackman luthor was for comedic purposes and superman reflecting on his mortality (human side) is a great take by Snyder.
You're like an autist that someone bought a lego and they built a different model to what's in the box. fuck you
>>71496969
You really need to watch that scene with your nostalgia glasses off. Drink deep of its rushed editing, tin-eared dialogue, and, outside of Ledger's performance, stilted delivery of said dialogue. It's like the prototype for the Bane scene.
And I love TDK all the same.
>>71496682
isn't a man of steel 2 planned for the later DCEU?
DC shill here.
It's nice to see you fans defend this piece of cape "kino". Haha! Did I say it right? Lol no matter! Hey guys, after you've finished watching the film (did any of you catch the part where Diana was on the plane? That plane is from Turkish Airlines™!) don't forget to grab a box of Batman v Superman breakfast cereal! It's the perfect way to start your day!
>>71490429
what?
i dont see anything of that
>>71497172
the gun is a modern thing some writers have worked with, it definitely wasn't there in the beginning and isn't the be all and end all when it comes to his character
he doesn't even use guns in bvs, the grenade launcher doesn't count
luthor has had a variety of interpretations even in the mainstream.
the cold suave handsome guy i'm pretty sure is just a morrison self insert. not a be all and end all
superman is kindly man who seeks the truth and does what he can for others. it would take too long because you can't bullshit your way through 'proving' that the superman portrayal is off
>>71497378
you can do whatever the fuck you want as a director. just don't expect people to automatically like it. A lot of people have said " i dont like it, but at least they tried to do things a little differently"
>>71496146
yes you idiot
>>71497406
>fast forwarding a solo batman movie
>harley quinn getting a spin-off(part of the bartman mythos)
>man of steel 2 nowhere in sight
SURE, SURE, ANY DAY NOW!
>>71497380
Yeah because Batman v Superman's dialogue is so revolutionary.
You're just a hypebeast; you jump on the next capefilm that's currently "hot" right now and acceptable to defend. You're an unloyal child that'll be saying that Batman v Superman was "actually shit" 5 years from now. That's how the cycle always goes with you capeplebs.
>>71497532
>Yeah because Batman v Superman's dialogue is so revolutionary.
every piece of Lex's dialogue was based as fuck.
>>71497342
I hope you're wrong. Terrio wont let us down with Justice League. It will be intelligent.
>>71497522
after the shazam movie i think
>>71497565
>my dad beat me, so God is bad!
>then i make the leap of logic that is equating an alien with powers to God
>devils come from the sky, everyone with seemingly good intentions is actually evil!
![pooQOKLeCQ4x[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CsgKQSx.jpg "pooQOKLeCQ4x[1].jpg")
>>71497317
>>71497658
you're delusional. the batman movies will do much better finanically and they'll keep shitting them out one by one, catwoman, batgirl, ghothan knights, gotham central, the DCEU is the new Batverse now
>>71497565
>based as fuck
Of course a Facebook normie pleb like you that uses vernacular such as "based" is impressed by Luthor's pseudo-intellectual monologues.
You should watch more films.
>>71496734
>Jews, you're taking it too far
By studio standards? given what "Captain America: winter soldier" made vs. first time BM and Superman on screen together?
It was a failure by standards, and lots of the people who broke their asses literally got paid nothing bc it was assumed in contract would break a billion domestic, nevermind worldwide.
The next script is....everything and anything you found interesting about about BM v SM, the whole idea of "the world upside down," all gone.
JL pt 1 will be generic bullshit. Had it done well, there was a chance to completely break away from Goyer and send him back to writing..."Da Vinci.." on FX.
Now he's gone, but the people who broke their asses 6 weeks before shooting was meant to see when they realized the Goyer draft was shit (the fucking thing literally did not make sense) got screwed.
They will be fulfilling contractual obligations...less than enthusiastically and walking away. For that, you can thank the fucking media and the "critics."
Stnder may be a shit director only there for his understanding of tech aspects, but does anyone ere honestly believe that film deserved a 24 in RT, compared to the other shit out there?
There could have been a new, genuinely vibrant DC universe that took some of the best elements of Nolan but made it just a bit better.
Instead, now it's going to fucking suck. And a special thanks to Jennifer Garner for not being able to sit on the divorce a fucking year, bc the bad PR was just simply great.
>>71497148
I've been here in the trenches since day one, newfriend. Maybe a day will come when you learn what Poe's Law is, how it works, and how the amount of hyperbole can frequently be used to distinguish between irony and sincerity.
I sincerely love these movies. I'm sorry that you don't.
>>71489030
this
>>71485006
>I don't share your opinion
>N-no, this isn't possible!
wow, talk about delusion
>>71483761
first post best post
let's take into context what Snyder's tasks are. He is given a task to create a movie that:
1) an origin movie for Justice League
a) this will include scenes and character development for Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman
b) have the 3 team up to serve as a basis for Justice League - obviously this has to be a super villain since how can any human stand against 3 superheroes?
c) have that super villain be engineered by human to serve its origin and for connecting with the human personas of Superman and Batman
2. have a continuity to Superman's actions after the Man of Steel - this includes the political aspects of having an uncontrollable god exist in the presence of humans and its spiritual implications as well
3. Introduce Batman and relate him to Superman
4. Be distinctly different from Marvel movies - tackle the serious side of having heroes among us
Given this ginormous task, it’s amazing how Snyder was able to make it all work in his film. To cover all this points would take about 4 - 4 1/2 hours and I feel that if given the freedom Snyder would have done it so. A task of this magnitude would have failed Kubrick but Snyder has done it, although we admit this is not his best work but I would have loved to see what he could have done in a 4 hour epic Director's cut of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice ™.
I'm excited to see more of Snyder's work. I'm not trolling I really do. Even his adaptation of The Fountainhead, but I really wish I could see it in Snyder's intended form. Not getting cut down to what the studio wants. A 4 hour Fountainhead and Justice League and see it in Snyder's vision would be amazing to see.
>>71497532
fucking plebe. snyder is the hero capekino needs, but not the one it deserves right now. we have to look at his ability to reconstruct deconstructionism. for example, when lex calls the superman/batman conflict "fight night" it's really a pun on the words "fight knight", because batman, as you may know, is the dark knight. you probably don't know this because you're a casual. do i really have to spell this out for you.
>>71497896
This. Snyder is going be looked back upon as the cinema genius of our age. You have to really search for meaning, but when you find it, it's like you found it yourself. It's all about each person's journey through the life we call film.
>>71497896
so let's take into context what the Russo's task are. He is given a task to create a movie that:
1) an origin movie for Spider-Man AND Black Panther
a) this will include scenes and character development for Black Panther, Peter Parker, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes, Wanda Maximoff, Vision, Zemo, Natasha Romanoff, and James Rhodes
b) have the entire group of established heroes fight - obviously this has to be an internal conflict since they've already fought and united against two threats before
c) have the only villain be a direct result of the Avenger's recklessness, creating a personal demon with very compelling and unorthodox plans to defeat the heroes
2. have a continuity to Bucky's actions after the Winter Soldier - this includes the political aspects of having an uncontrollable assassin exist in the presence of humans and whether or not he can really be held accountable for his actions
3. Introduce Black Panther and relate him to the Winter Soldier
4. Be distincly different from DC movies - tackle the serious side of having heroes suffering consequences while still being fun and easy to understand
Given this ginormous task, its amazing how the Russos were able to make it all work in his film. To cover all this points would take about 4 - 4 1/2 hours and yet they did in in 2 hours and thirty minutes. A task of this magnitude would have failed Kubrick but the Russos have done it.
I'm excited to see more of the Russo's work. I'm not trolling I really do.
>>71497973
He genuinely will, maybe not after MoS but after BvS definitely
>>71497603
>I hope you're wrong. Terrio wont let us down with Justice League. It will be intelligent.
It's not in his hands anymore mate. The entire prepared script (that took a year to write) has been shredded .
At day's end, it's more about how many lunchboxes and t-shirts are sold than anything else. Suddenly, it's not "cool" to be seen in a BM or SM t-shirt anymore.
All you can do is pray the video release sets records, and even if it does, he's still out after this one.
>>71497995
>2nd movie of DCU vs the 13th(?) movie of MCU
wow anon you sure showed me
>>71497783
we will have the answer in ten years
>>71498028
We need to go to the comic con and put the papers here.
>>71497317
If you're a /v/edditor you wont like these, but if you're true to the /tv/ cause and against anti art ideals like Batman v Superman then you will love them
>>71498057
Snyder is all that matters. He's the only director alive with the cinematic skill set to handle a large budget capekino. Can't wait for Justice League
>>71498135
BvS, MoS and Watchmen need to be on that list
![Green_Lantern_poster_3566[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WF8Zbxa.jpg "Green_Lantern_poster_3566[1].jpg")
>>71498060
It's amazing how everyone just brushes this one off to the side.
I don't care if it's no longer considered canon, it was meant to be the start and should have been the sign of what was to come.
>>71498135
>flicks with a shit symbol
>>71498165
everyone brushes it off to the side because nobody saw it and nobody cares to with kino like MoS and BvS out now.
>>71498165
Mark Strong was wasted in this movie. He would be perfect to play Luthor Sr.
Stick hamfisted christ allegories into children's adventure stories and idiots lap it up for being so deep and complex and clever and you just didn't understand it critics
>>71498165
Couldn't the same be said of Ang Lee's Hulk?
Which is ironic, considering that I found it far more enjoyable than Norton's Hulk.
>>71498165
the precursor to bvs without a doubt. really proto-capekino
>>71498230
>allegories
jfc this again. you really didn't get BvS
all of the "christ" like images are what humans (us) would perceive an alien that flys has superhuman strength and saves people. lesser people have been attributed as christ, hell The Beatles back then were likened to Jesus, how much more if Superman was real?
>>71498163
They are under FLICK
>>71498165
their failure was using Hal Jordan. Guy is the only real GL
>>71498306
well that's not right, i'm sure the creator erred.
>>71498135
BACK YOUR SHIT UP, there's a Diabolik movie?!
>>71498244
>Couldn't the same be said of Ang Lee's Hulk?
Wasn't that by Universal, and years before MCU was even an idea?
>>71498244
Ant-Man was supposed to be the start.
>Norton's Hulk.
Ugh, don't remind me. He should have left Leterrier do his fucking job.
>>71498297
Fuck off outta here with your shit bait
>>71498313
And choosing Reynolds for Hal Jordan, then choosing to make him a happy-go-lucky quip factory that has a "very special episode"-tier epiphany didn't help much, either. For Kyle Rayner, that might have worked, but not for Hal.
>>71498425
here's ur (you)
>>71498425
>explains the scenes
>bait
...
>>71498425
spoonfeeding thr visual narrative is now bait? HMMM
>>71498057
>It's not in his hands anymore mate. The entire prepared script (that took a year to write) has been shredded .
how do you know this
>>71498297
this. this. this. superman IS god. it's not an allegory. it's a simple fact. so tired of these plebes clogged up /tv/. if they want to jack off to marvelshit all day, they can do it elsewhere.
>>71498384
Five years between it and Iron Man, not exactly a geological epoch.
>>71498157
>Snyder is all that matters
you don't know how funny that sounds, considering he's dyslexic and has to have his assistant write notes and read back to him.
He pulled off 300 because there WAS no script. I''I'd like to say he was as good as some of you seem to think, he is a genius in the editing room, and IMO he should never leave there.
t German guy who worked on set in photography unit (I know, no one will believe me...thus the reason I can even speak, bc it will be ignored by 99% of people here)
>>71498525
Other anon here. I don't know about "entire script being shredded" but they confirmed there were a lot of rewrites.
>>71498536
no you idiot, superman isn't god, jesus was a metahuman. metahumans have always been confused as gods, that's what luthor was saying in his speech to the senators
>>71498581
haha just a few pieces of dialogue right
that's why those scenes with flash are all just excuses for punchlines at the end right haha
>>71498574
300 was one of his worst movies you fucking pleb
>>71498536
>>71498614
this. in no way shape or form did Clark attribute himself to god. in fact his story arc in MoS and BvS is dealing in how the world perceives him as a "god" and how he's trying to adjust to it. for all in his mind he's just some farmer boy in Kansas and a reporter in Daily Planet trying to get by
>>71498700
That's one of the things I've always found fascinating about Supes - with any other hero, the "escape" is putting on a costume and risking their lives; for Clark, it's putting on work clothes and just trying to be taken as a normal person.
>>71498525
>how do you know this
german guy who worked on photography unit. Still working on JL pt one. English not first language, so expect shitty posts. Terrio not on set at all this one, supposedly he rewrote s simpleton's version of a "superhero" movie and walked.
The guy was always polite on the set and well-liked when he was there, you can thank WB for fucking him over. The only ray of hope will be if the Blueray sets records and helps the fuckers reape some of what they expected to make.
Also, the attack on Turk airlines yesterday? No good for movie. Have yet to hear how brexit will impact all the filming meant to be done in London...
>>71498687
you mean 300 was his only movie where he wasn't aping alan moore, right?
>>71498687
>300 was one of his worst movies you fucking pleb
wow, I'd sure hate to hear what you think was his worst. And keep in mind, for BM v. SM hw had an Oscar-winning writer who was willing to hold his hand on set in Terrio and one in Affleck.
I blame the studio more than anything else, trying to stuff so many lead-ins into one movie. Always joked, to deal with critics, should just have created a Superhero who was a gay black transgender in a wheelchair with HIV trying to be a doctor. they'd have been terrified into giving it good reviews all around
>>71483710
I have two questions for you f a m
first is there a webm of the murder batfleck training scene ?
second what the hell happened to all the bvs threads that where up earlier ?
I didn't save anything now there gone please help ;_;
>>71498833
>ray of hope in home video sales
how? guessing the production is mostly the same and the script changes dialogue/scenes for the most part?
so bvs was serendipitous not only with how it thrives on connections within its content but with its very production
