http://www.indiewire.com/2016/06/james-cameron-star-wars-episode-7-the-force-awakens-george-lucas-1201700523/
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJKtPJk3b2M
>In a video interview discovered on YouTube, Cameron was asked his opinion on the seventh installment — and, never a good sign, he started off by saying, “I don’t want to say too much about the film, because I also have a lot of respect for J.J. Abrams.” Uh oh.
>He elaborated: “I have to say that I felt that George’s group of six films had more innovative visual imagination. This film was more of a retrenchment to things you had seen before and characters you had seen before and it took a few baby steps forward with new characters.”
>The comment skirts an incredibly fine line, managing to call the prequels visually imaginative, but not necessarily calling them good — while also pointing out the major problems with “The Force Awakens,” but not necessarily calling it bad.
>Regardless, Cameron said he wants to “see where they go with it,” so perhaps Episode 8 can give him a new hope.
Its nice to see someone finally admit that TFA was watered down assembly-line garbage. Based James.
Avatar is still shit.
Everyone who's not a NERD XD knows this movie is bad, they're just afraid to say it.
>>71434792
this 2bh
>This is the man who shamelessly shilled Terminator: Genisys
He seriously has no right to talk about recycling material at this point, as much as I love him.
BASED JAMES
HOLY SHIT I'M HERE AT THE BEGINNING
OP SAW THAT THIS EXACT THREAD GOT REPLIES LAST TIME SO HE JUST HAD TO MAKE IT AGAIN
BECAUSE THERES SO MUCH MORE TO TALK ABOUT
HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT REPLIES ON 4CHAN STIMULATE THE SEGMENT OF YOUR BRAIN THAT ENJOYS HUMAN INTERACTION LIKE HAVING REAL FRIENDS
>>71434792
>GOAT movie of all time
>shit
reddit manchild pls go
Avatar is literally Pocahontas, how can this man talk about retrenchment
>>71434757
He's a libcuck who sucked the dick of Terminator Genisys
>>71434757
that is an honest critique
He supported Genisys for his friend Arnold. It's called a broship, something you shut-in autist cucks wouldn't understand.
>>71434757
he's right.
>>71434757
Can't sham the Cam.
>>71434757
Cameron. I see his point. I'll say this though. ILM is one of the greatest studios for visual effects. TFA didn't explore as imaginatively however the backgrounds and sounds were remarkable. I didnt leave the theater in fond of the story, the characters were shit. But at least it didn't lose the setting.
>>71434891
>Cameron
>>71434757
TFA was still better than Avatar. I can't even remember the name of the main character, that's how forgettable Cameron's newer movies are.
>>71434757
The Force Awakens is basically a Star Wars movie done by someone who only has a passing knowledge of Star Wars they've seen referenced in movies or TV shows and slogans printed on t-shirts.
>>71434958
we have a sterner name for it. and that name is TREASONOUSNESS
>>71435215
wait till he sees us laughing at him /tv/bro
Literally our guy
>>71435255
its basically remake star wars for millennial retards
>>71434757
REMINDER
Force Awakens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Old trilogy >>>>>>>>>>> SHIT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prequels
Weird, he praised Genisys after all.
>>71435342
>gay faglord detected
>enjoyed the prequels
>hasn't made a decent movie since 1994
I get the memes but Cameron seriously couldn't give less of a fuck about actual quality. He wouldn't have enjoyed TFA unless is introduced Smell-o-Vision or some other absolutely retarded THIS IS THE FUTURE gimmick
>>71435294
Why are you uploading pictures of yourself bro?
why do reddit hate on based Jim?
>>71434757 (OP)
TFA was not a piece of art, it was a product; that's fine and people can buy what they want, but to say it's anything more than that (e.g. "TFA is the best film of the year") is untrue and a willful display of the general public's ignorance of what makes movies good.
Cameron himself is a bit of a mixed bag when it comes to making good movies. Certainly a lot of his movies are culturally influential, and some are considered good (Aliens and Titanic), but as an artist he's fairly low down in any really comparative sense.
That being said, just because someone isn't an artist doesn't mean they can't have insights into art. In the same way, someone who hasn't made a lot of good movies can in some cases come up with insights into movies. In this sense Cameron is right - TFA was bad (even though he isn't outright saying so, for what should be very obvious work reasons).
But honestly everyone who knows anything about movies as an art form has already dismissed TFA as nothing special at all, and they have moved on and don't pay it any attention any more. It's only the plebs who eat this shit up who are still getting worked up over it. You think the heads of state give a shit what a local council does about a park? Likewise you think that pioneering biological research scientists give a shit about what some retarded creationist has to say about evolution?
Patricians shouldn't give their attention to shit like this. Patricians know what's bad and what's worthwhile, TFA is most definitely not the latter.
>>71435330
>tfw soon we will have to make up a new name for the 2018 generation
would it ok to just keep calling these useless trash kids millennials? everyone born from the 80s onward is a a piece of shit
>>71435520
>80s onward is a a piece of shit
i honestly wish we could 'pol pot' the lot of them and start fresh
![[SPINS].gif](https://i.imgur.com/3GSc5pk.gif "[SPINS].gif")
>>71435342
5>4>3>6>2>1>7
>>71435517
>Patricians shouldn't give their attention to shit like this. Patricians know what's bad and what's worthwhile
:brofist:
>>71435520
Most of the kids you're labeling as Millennials aren't even proper Millenials which are 1980-2000 and you're confusing retarded post-Millennials who are social media vanity and mobile phone addicted retards.
I never know he has a gigantic jew beak
The Force Awakens did nothing wrong
>>71435620
you can make fun of us all you want, but patricians don't care lmao
you think the Rothschilds care if you laugh when a bank gets a fine of a few billion quid?
>>71434894
Avatar retreaded an established story in a brand new visionary universe.
TFA retreaded an established story in an already established universe.
>>71435648
holy shit, it's a super jew nose
>>71434818
100% this
>>71435648
Cameron's a goy though, unlike J. Gay Abrams
>>71434757
>someone finally admit
everyone has been saying this for years
disney throws around billions of dollars so people shill their movies in public
The whole point of the movie was to go back to the aesthetic and story of the first trilogy
>>71435771
Good goy. Defend cynicism and lack of ambition and creativity.
>>71434792
It's the greatest movie of all time that changed cinema forever.
0/10
You're just a butthurt hater
>>71435803
that's not defending cynicism lmao
cynics would hate the film because it's shitty and did what it set out to do poorly, and further criticise people who defended the shitfest that is TFA
Apologize
>>71435622
>Most of the kids you're labeling as Millennials aren't even proper Millenials
redditer detected
let's get the redditer bros
>>71435803
It was a reset so they could disregard the new trilogy, it can't be innovative but it set it up so they can do new things with the new movies, in the old universe
>>71435672
>you can make fun of us all you want, but patricians don't care lmao
That'd certainly explain why you're making such heavy weather of it.
>>71435860
Their approach to making TFA was incredibly cynical. They set out to pander and play it safe as much as possible, sacrificing any kind of artistic integrity, to maximise profits.
>>71435893
>it can't be innovative
Says who? There is no rule that says the first film in a trilogy has to be offensively safe and devoid of ideas. A movie that exists, and was intentionally made to be unapologetic, only in order to create a springboard for future instalments, is a shit movie.
>>71434757
I didn't see Force Awakens, but you have to keep in mind this is the guy who made Avatar, which was extremely milktoast garbage. Still, FA didn't look good either.
Also, he mocks it for not going anywhere new, but he praised Terminator Genysis.
Look at all these dumbasses. Star Wars fans are the biggest cunts I've ever seen. A true fan would appreciate the Force Awakens for going back to the roots of the original franchise. Star Wars is back and better than ever whether you want it or not
>>71435620
i hate that this guy has become the face of neckbeard memes everywhere, he's a really nice and cool dude
>>71436088
>better than ever
>>71436102
i have a hard time believing someone who lets themselves become a obese neckbeard is a "nice and cool dude" on the inside
>>71435613
this list is correct
>>71434757
Based Jimjam Cam
>>71435215
>Overwatch
As someone who thinks Avatar is mediocre at best.... I can't disagree with Cameron on this.
Also, and I can't believe I'm saying this....
Avatar > TFA far and away. At least the latter is, for the most part, competently made even with the cheesy dialogue and cardboard characters.
>>71436168
he basically just has this persona of a raging gamer that he does for fun. other than that he's a mostly level-headed, reasonable guy with some interesting videos. he is a bitch about his weight (usual excuses of I CAN'T REALLY WORK OUT IM TOO FAT FOR IT!) but other than that he is likable enough unless you believe being fat automatically makes somebody a bad person
>>71436088
You do realize it is the hardcore Star Wars fans that are giving this movie all its praise right?
It literally pandered so hard to them it was disgusting -- especially for a casual filmgoer like myself who just wants a well-made film.
The Force Awakens is mediocre at best, if not outright bad.
>>71434857
what drugs are you on and where can i get some
>>71434792
It is, but I have a bit more respect for Cameron for also calling out that equally piece of shit TFA.
>>71435752
Honestly, I'm sure Disney pays off critics and people in media to shill their films and whatnot (after all, the Force Awakens got a fucking 91% on RottenTomatoes)...
But the general public is basically turning into a Mickey Mouse cult. They'll throw all of their money at anything Disney, and I think a lot of it has to do with nostalgia.
>>71436574
Translation: Someone likes something that I don't. They must be getting paid
>>71436609
Of course it's all speculation unless someone drops a bombshell like what happened with Sony, but with the amount of praise Force Awakens got, it wouldn't surprise me.
>>71434757
BASED Cameron
>>71434757
Why is everyone named James so based? Rolfe, Cameron, and of coursemyself
>>71434757
have to agree. I walked out of the theater midway into the movie.
>>71436671
>insanely popular and long awaited new movie that was also better than the three turds that came before it get a lot of praise
>durrrrr must be da shills!
>>71435253
What was his name?
>>71436574
Disney doesn't pay critics, if they did why did Tomorrowland tank.
Also, rottentomatoes scores only show the amount of critics that would recommend the movie and for some critics would recommend a movie that's as low as 6/10.
>>71434792
Great film with great visuals and it has a great sci-fi feel to it, makes it feel like a dream and something completely new in todays brown/grey garbage.
Was refreshing to watch, can't wait for the sequels.
The flight sequence alone was amazing when he was learning to fly.
Becoming on of the Navi was an awesome scene.
Also the dead argument about pocahontas is stupid too because nobody even seen it, I havent and why would i watch some jewish cartoon anyway? You forget a lot of the new generation like me too havent seen those films you're refereing this ripped off, so it's always going to be stories like this in the future because they give a sense of hope and achievement.
But yea keep hating the film was awesome to me.
>>71434792
>>71434825
>>71434894
>>71434906
>>71435215
>>71435253
>>71435342
>>71435409
>>71435893
>>71436052
>Abrams getting FUCKED so hard that the fanboys have to try to bail him out
HOLY SHIT JJ EVEN WITH THE NERDS ON HIS SIDE SUCK FUCKING DONKEY DICKS
LELMAO, AVATAR BIGGEST MOVIE OF ALL TIME EVEN WITH REDDIT AGAINST THEM THE WHOLE WAY
KEKEKEKEK
JewJew getting BLOWN
THE
FUCK
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FUCKING KEK
I JUST OVERHEAD A "STAR WARS" FAN MUTTER, "MUH BOYEGA WHABOUT MUH BOYEGA!"
FUCKING KEK
GLIB FASCIMILE confirmed for most embarrassing movie of all time
oh my FUCKING KEK
THIS IS EMBARASSING
JJ EXPOSED AGAAAAAIN BY IRON JIM
FUCKING KEK
>avatar beating both the numales and the reddit
KEK
>>71434757
BAsed!
>>71437125
That's true, but the Force Awakens has an average rating of 8.1/10.
Sorry, but there is no way in hell so many people can watch that movie and come away with that high of a score unless they were either paid shills or, and this is possible, they are such hardcore Star Wars fanboys that they loved the pandering and nostalgia and overlooked any other issues because 'muh childhood.'
>>71434757
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>>71434792
And? he is still right.
There are actually degenerates who think TFA is better than Avatar
Fucking scum
I can't wait till this piece of shit bombs and everyone realizes the only reason The Force Awakens was a hit is because of Harrison Ford's "Han Solo"
>>71434757
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>>71437321
They're blind, delusional fanboys.
They defend it because they fear by admitting how shit it is, despite how much JJ and Disney catered to their whims and desires, they'll have to admit perhaps they were too hard on Lucas and for all his many faults he isn't satan.
>>71434757
It seems like people forgive TFA for the same issues they shit on the prequels for.
1, 2, and 3 are much more creative, the story is more cohesive, and the characters are much better than TFA.
If your movie needs to fill in major plot issues with comics and books then it failed.
At least George made watchable films that were distinctly Star Wars, while being completely different than the OT.
>>71437472
>fill in major plot issues with comics and books
Don't forget comedy and action set-pieces. Disney seems to have figured out you can mask poor storytelling and bland filmmaking from the general public by throwing fun action set-pieces and funny moments at them.
Doesn't make the film any better, but it makes people forget issues and focus on the "fun" aspect.
>>71435810
Most people on /tv/ now won't get this
>>71437659
>replying to your own posts
>implying you're not a redditor
>implying you were here when abatap still posted
>>71434757
>Its nice to see someone finally admit that TFA was watered down assembly-line garbage
But that's literally what everybody says about JJ Abrams and everything he's ever done.
>>71435253
The Force Awakens was in no shape or form better than Avatar.
At what point did we choose to let these anti-Cameron plebs feel welcome on our board?
>>71437783
I enjoyed Star Trek 2009.
>>71434818
This. Same shit happened with normies and Jurassic World.
>>71437166
Lol
>>71437968
seriously this.
Avatar actually has a cohesive story structure, decent pacing, clear motivational and narrative arcs for the characters, actually impressive action set pieces (which by the way the movie is not designed around, they happen organically), not to mention is much better directed. TFA fails on all those fronts.
Also extended cut of Avatar is legitimately a better film.
>>71438060
When I said I liked Cameron on here I got shit on.
>>71437732
How does it feel being retarded?
>>71437732
abatap called me a nigger once, I called him a dirty ruskie commie bastard and he called me a butthurt hater in return.
>>71434818
>the prequels were better than Episode 7!
contrarian faggots
>>71438165
Don't worry anon it's just the r/GoT plebs they'll be gone soon
>>71436483
You have respect for people who attack others out of blatant insecurity? Those are some pretty low fucking standards for respect.
>>71438392
You have to have serious balls to call out someone under disney's wing, if you cost them a single cent because your comments they're going to be out for your blood, t.quentin "uno farto" tarantula
>>71434792
The subjectivity of both Titanic and Avatar don't matter. They're huge golden gooses that helped keep Fox afloat. And he took challengers with effects and production that he changed the game, not once, but twice.
>>71438159
>cohesive story structure
what was wrong with TFAs that was so right with avatars?
>decent pacing
said no one ever
>actually impressive action set pieces
no fucking way.
I'm not even addressing the other points and calling bullshit on your post. You were clearly a kid when you saw avatar. I don't even like TFA but pretending Avatar has some artistic merit is a step too fucking far. You guys are like 12 year old girls backwards rationalizing everything.
>>71434857
>>71437166
Must be a slow day a /sp/ kek
reminder that Avatar hating is a popular normie meme
>>71438482
>You have to have serious balls to call out someone under disney's wing
Not if you are James Cameron. If you were Ben Affleck or Chris Evans or someone like that you would need huge balls. Haven't you learned anything from trump? The media can literally only lean on and censor people who they can force into financial peril. Cameron is a fucking billionaire.
>>71437472
It's funny because when TFA tried humour, it felt so modern but not SW.
>KEK Whedon quip after a village is slaughtered
>storm troopers are funny ppl
>Ray is so kawaii
>>71434792
Better than TFA
When is he going to make Battle Angel Atlita?
>>71438392
>insecurity
dude cameron broke the bank twice, he ain't insecure about shit
disney WISHES they could make money like hime
>>71438292
shut the fuck up
Jews do not care about art. They care about the box office. Art movies are for the independent guys.
I fucking hate artistic autists.
>>71438648
> Cameron is a fucking billionaire
No he's not
>>71437325
>implying it won't be the highest grossing movie of the year unfortunately
>>71438346
>implying they'll ever leave
>>71438996
Oh sorry you are right. He only has 700 million. That completely nullifies my point. Good job not wasting your breath pointing that out.
>>71439023
Don't be such a defeatist anon, they always leave when the threads stop popping up
>>71438847
>dude cameron broke the bank twice, he ain't insecure about shit
You have to be 18 and up to post here.
>>71439199
You were talking about how the media is crucifying Trump, I was talking about how Disney fucked over Tarantino and how they would also fuck Based Jim over if they felt that he was the reason of a loss of profits
>>71435294
>>71435256
bunch of looser manchildren.
Daily reminder that cameron IS THE KING! So bow down like the dogs that you are.
>>71434792
you can't say that Avatar isn't visually imaginative though
>>71435517
>ameron himself is a bit of a mixed bag
Cameron it's the best director right now.
Avatar was masterpiece in inovation and visuals, yet people only nag about it because - muh pocahontas- so what? Was it a bad thing?
It's basically the conquest of mexico you fucking fag. But with dinosaurs and blue people.
>>71439304
Based Jim literally gives no fucks to those shills.
Reminder that December 2018 that Disney will literally be BLOWN THE FUCK OUT when Avatar 2 comes out
>>71438784
>Battle Angel Atlita
He isn't directing it anymore, he has multiple Avatar sequels to give the world. Robert Rodriguez has taken over as director of Alita. Cameron will be producing tho.
>>71437325
I enjoyed TFA but from the what I've seen, this looks like generic capeshit, just set in a galaxy far, far away
>"I rebel"
hella quip
The King has Spoken
What did he mean by this?
I agree completely with what Jean-Luc said in this week’s Elle: it’s garbage. Cameron isn’t evil, he’s not an asshole like Spielberg. He wants to be the new De Mille. Unfortunately, he can’t direct his way out of a paper bag. On top of which the actress is awful, unwatchable, the most slovenly girl to appear on the screen in a long, long time. That’s why it’s been such a success with young girls, especially inhibited, slightly plump American girls who see the film over and over as if they were on a pilgrimage: they recognize themselves in her, and dream of falling into the arms of the gorgeous Leonardo.
>>71434757
>>so perhaps Episode 8 can give him a new hope
Bravo.
SAVE US JIM
>>71439423
>robert Rodriquez
Might be good or might be shit. What do you think?
>>71434757
>Its nice to see someone finally admit that TFA was watered down assembly-line garbage. Based James.
/tv/ has been saying what he said
it's rehash without any new innovation/additions to the lore
>>71439726
On one hand he directed Sin City and From Dusk Til Dawn. On the other he is responsible for the Spy Kids and Sin City: A Dame to Kill For. As you said, it really could go either way with him. I won't even be optimistic. Just neutral. I'd rather the project be in Cameron's hands. Hopefully the Avatar sequels are worth it.
>>71434818
Absolutely this
I don't even like star wars so I wasn't blinded by the "le epic nerd cred xD" when I saw it. Medicore movie in all regards. Also, the editor needs to have his hands duct taped. I couldn't even tell what was going on because of the excessive cuts without any attempt at establishing a continuity for most scenes. It felt like a random montage of events at points or like the scenes were sped up in places
>>71439304
They wouldn't be able to do that to Jim see this zealout >>71439422
Once you are over 500 mill in this country, you are pretty much safe from most powers that be, unless you get arrested by cops and blame the jews then go and leave a drunken voicemail on your gold digging wife's phone telling her how you deserve to be blown and she needs to get raped by a pack of wild niggers.
>>71438159
This. The Force Awakens is a watered down two hour trailer that's meant to advertise what's to come for future Disneyfied assemly-line product Star Wars films. Avatar is a film with real grit and gravitas with bang for your buck. The action is satisfying, the film just has a great grand epic scope to it.
http://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2016/06/iain-mccaig-talks-about-production-on-the-force-awakens-hints-at-star-wars-episode-viii-plot.html
Holy shit speak of the devil and all prequel hate:
>Disney’s banishment of anything mildly prequel-related. Usage of prequel-only characters, environments etc were banned, as to not incur the fan base’s wrath.
Rian Johnson, the absolute madman
>But here’s where it gets interesting… The meat really came at his mention of Rey, and then her mysterious background. He spoke of how Qui-Gon and Shmi had a romantic affair in early-mid drafts of TPM, and how you can still see the remnants of this idea in the final film. He also teased that (paraphrasing) ‘though none of these prequel-related concepts were able to be used outright, these ideas remain in the Lucas ecosystem, and filter through.’ AND, though he spoke thus quietly, he almost certainly then said: “…And now we have a new Skywalker.” To me, this confirms without a shadow of a doubt that Rey is, if not Luke’s daughter, certainly a Skywalker of sorts, and that her backstory will involve a grey Jedi (Luke?) having an affair with a citizen – perhaps with a child born of another virgin mother through the Force.
>But before I close the article, I came up with a crazy theory regarding Rey’s lineage while writing this, and since the article’s already pretty long, I might as well throw it out to the world. Since McCaig brought up the scrapped concept of Qui-Gon Jinn and Shmi Skywalker’s brief love affair, I got to thinking – what if Rey’s not Luke’s daughter, but she’s descended from a child that Shmi conceived with Qui-Gon
>>71438292
nobody cares nigger
>>71437472
You get it. I like you anon
>>71439582
Why is FF added in his? That's Fox not Disney. I hate it when facebook normies literally group ALL Marvel films together.
>>71434757
>read his comment
>think it was pretty tame
>/tv/
>HE SAID TFA WAS UTTER GARBAGE
>DISNEY BTFO
>HE TORE THEM A NEW ASSHOLE
>>71440246
>Marlel
It's literally all shit except X2 and DOFP
>>71437154
>valid criticism of tired ass plot applied to paper thin characters
>never has been properly refuted
=
>dead argument
>is stupid because nobody even seen it
You can stop here, pleb-o.
>>71440246
All capeshit is the same shit regardless of where it comes from. Knowing and caring about the difference between Marvel and DC (when there isn't any) doesn't make you part of some secret club, it makes you a loser.
>>71440133
> Avatar is a film with real grit and gravitas with bang for your buck.
We need to stop this meme before it starts. There is such thing as going too far people.
>>71440278
The third greatest director of all time pointed to the elephant in the room that everyone else pretends doesn't exist. That's pretty big.
>>71439726
Prob shit. Look forward to green screen and shitty cg.
>>71434757
I agree with him in a sense but not in the way /tv/ memers are going to by saying HOLY SHIT CAMERON SHITS ALL OVER TFA SHOTS FIRED GOAT CONFIRMS TFA IS COMPLETE SHIT AND PREQUELS ARE MASTERPIECES.
Tfa was good but not great or frankly anything we havent seen before.
The prequels are uphorant but had some elements to it that were legitimately cool.
>hacks shitting on hacks
Nothing to see here folks
>>71440398
>before it starts
oh no...
I'm so sorry anon... there is something we have to tell you...
>>71440417
The prequels are better than TFA because they were original.
I enjoyed TFA but it's the worst star wars movie ever created.
>>71434825
but Genisys was alright
>>71434757
>so perhaps Episode 8 can give him a new hope.
>a new hope
Nice, I saw what they did there. This writer is clever!
>>71440398
>Another conservacuck BTFO by Cameron shitting on the military with Avatar.
>>71435342
I never got how can you like TFA better than the old trilogy if it's basically just fan service.
>>71440483
The prequels were a fine china plate of shit covered in sprinkles, arranged professionally with a really nice garnish on the side.
TFA was leftover gristle from yesterday's steak dinner.
Don't eat the shit and say "At least they tried something new."
>>71436275
Hello Randy, still crying in the shower?
>>71440483
The Force Awakens was a competent, forgettable flick. But it doesn't have an ounce of originality and won't hold up under scrutiny.
The Prequels are ambitious and creative. However, they are horribly undermined by bad execution.
>>71440665
How's the weather in Denial-land?
Podracing was better than the entirety of TFA.
>>71438618
no euro games today la
>>71434757
Am I missing something?.. It doesn't seem like he's shitting on anything here.
In fact, this is how viewed and felt about TFA, and I still enjoyed it. How /tv/ constantly can't perceive the obvious intentions of setting up the rest of this trilogy with The Force Awakens harkening back to older story elements is beyond me. Death Star 3.0 was unforgivable, but it's hardly the point of the film compared to the interesting dynamic between Kylo, Rey and Luke.
I respect Cameron and JJ.
But VIII is clearly the money shot for this trilogy.
Enabled to take more risks due to a very safe but well oiled set up thanks to Force Awakens, and it's got Rian Johnson to take said risks.
>>71435154
>[The] sounds were remarkable
WTF movie were you watching? The first time that BB-8 uttered a derivative, uninspiring peep, I knew that Ben Burtt wasn't involved with the production.
That man basically WAS Star Wars, and the lack of Lucas's cinematography AND Burtt's soundscapes are a huge part of why Disney Wars isn't canon as far as I'm concerned.
>>71440541
I dont even know what you are referencing. I'd almost wager you are the only one here that does so needless to say, no I am not BTFO by anything. Avatar has never been and never will be a good movie on any level. We really shouldn't try to convinced ourselves it was just to spite TFA or we will have a bigger problem on our hands in 1-2 months.
>>71440665
I'd rather shit that someone created fresh instead of shit someone dug up from decades ago and spat on to give some shine.
>>71440779
Kylo's lightsaber though.
>>71434792
...
>>71440665
If I were to be a scat muncher im guessing id rather have fresh shit rather than reheated 30 year old shit
>>71440779
>http://bskipper27.tumblr.com/post/126741459246/star-wars-jj-abrams-on-sound-designer-ben-burtts
speaking out your
>>71440811
Is a pile of junk, quite literally.
>>71440742
This, on the merits of Ben Burtt's podracer sound effects alone.
That man and his Arp 2600/Synclavier setup can do no wrong.
>it's a based Jim BTFO of numales, nu/tv/ and tourists episode
Nothing will top Avatar
NOTHING
Reminder that James Cameron is responsible for:
>Terminator I and II (two of the most quintessential and scifi movies of ALL TIME)
>Aliens
>Titanic (2nd highest grossing movie of ALL TIME)
>Avatar (1st highest grossing movie of ALL TIME)
>The Abyss
>True Lies
>utterly cucking the kikes at disney with his world shattering grossing records
>constantly cited by many as one of the most influential directors
>has seen Cthulhu at the bottom of the sea and has made pacts with the elder gods
>Avatar 2, 3, 4 all announced and confirmed
>literally worth over a billion dollars
>you at these facts
>not mad
>>71440737
>However, they are horribly undermined by bad execution.
a few lines of cringy dialogue is not bad execution
>>71440854
Which is why the orgasmic sound fits.
>>71440845
That would imply the Original star wars was shit.
>>71434757
Once again proving he is a god. Bow down /tv/.
>>71440795
No you wouldn't. Nobody would. This is just some backwards rationalization bullshit. Nobody wants a new shit product over a significantly better unoriginal one, regardless of their authenticity. The only way that happens is if the shit product is significantly cheaper, and this not the case. Everytime you make your dumb assertion, you are really just advertising that you don't have any real criticism for the movie. Not saying you don't, that's just what you are announcing to people. Again, no one believe you. If you are telling the truth, you must be some brand new demographic of consumer that didn't exist until TFA came out.
>>71440865
Whoops, sorry wrong picture.
>>71440857
JIGJIGJIGJIGJIGJIGJIG
Lucas made a 70's car chase in a star wars film.
Podracers are my favorite fantasy vehicles in any film.
>>71440811
http://www.dailydot.com/parsec/star-wars-force-awakens-sound-designer-david-acord-interview/
>David Acord
>"Inspired by" Ben Burtt
Go suck your girlfriend's feminine fat one, you TFA-loving OMG NERDY XD Tumblr JJ sycophant
>>71440742
That podrace was the sprinkles.
You fell for the dish, anon. I am so sorry.
>>71434792
and is just a rehash of ferngully
and more generally, is just the "noble savage" trope in 3d
>>71440973
That scene where they're all out on the starting grid powering up STILL gives me an erection.
I'm a car guy and used to race a converted E30 325i with a cam and glass packs in local ACCA events.
Once you understand Lucas's beginnings as a nerd who got into racing cars before he went off to film school, the podracing sequence (AND the landspeeder scenes, AND Han's relationship with the Falcon, AND the speeder bike chase) all takes on an entirely new significance.
>>71440964
What are you on about anon.
Without the brand name, TFA is a generic, cliched sci-fi flick.
With the brand name it's garbage.
Nothing about it is good.
The prequels may very well be trash as well, but they're higher quality. They're original trash that wasn't afraid to do it's own thing, even if it's flawed and retarded.
>>71440982
Sure is summer in here.
But anyways.. enjoy having been proven wrong!
Reminder that Cameron made two of the greatest action movies of all time.
All TIME.
One even considerd as the american milestone of action cinema (T2, for all you kids).
The only thing that ever surpassed him was the Hong Kong action cinema of the 80s. But then again its like comparing Chopin to Schubert.
Oner thing is and always will be lightyears ahead.
>>71437472
How do characters from TFA hold up to Plinkett's character test?
>>71441144
*SCCA, wtf google
>>71440868
Messy writing, poor acting, cringey dialogue, and lazy direction (primarily the scenes involving dialogue). Plus, it looks like actors were walking around in video game environments most of the time. I know practical effects were there (some of the times), but something obviously went wrong in post-production. Then there is its relationship with the Original Trilogy, namely how the two trilogies don't connect well all the time. Which goes back to the writing criticism.
Cameron could do better than Avatar. You cuckolds need to learn that.
>>71441216
Once you realize that the prequels were supposed to be a glimpse of a "paradise lost" that was only alluded to in the OT, the almost impossibly perfect, mythical beauty of the scenery makes that much more sense.
If the OT films were about Ottoman-occupied Greece, then the PT would be about Byzantium under Justinian.
>>71441216
This.
They were fun for what they were but they can't touch the originals.
Eregon should receive universal acclaim as much as TFA..
>>71441216
>poor acting, cringey dialogue, and lazy direction
Sounds pretty much like the OT. If anyone thinks the OT had great acting and dialogue, yourre a nostalgic bitch made nig
>I LOVE YOU
>I-I KNOW
>POWER CONVERTERS
>SPICE MINES OF KESSEL
>FOUL STENCH
The only saving grace is Han Solo. If he wasnt in the movies, Star Wars would be unmemorable to people
>>71435888
>>71435888
its the new generation faggot. theyre 18 now. theyre ont millenials
>>71441224
agreed.
He made fucking Aliens and T2.
Why the fuck are we okay with avatar?
>>71441512
And TFA comes along and kills one of the most iconic characters ever created in cinematic history.
>>71441574
wasn't that apart of his contract?
>>71441009
I'm sorry too that you think bad quips and bland characters are acceptable.
>>71441600
I heard he requested it yes.
>>71441144
>that music as the flags come out onto the track
orgasmic
>>71441532
Because Avatar was every bit the technical landmark that T2 was, even if it was barely better than True Lies or The Abyss.
>>71441163
You seem to be contradicting yourself. On one hand nothing about TFA is good then on the other hand it's a carbon copy of the best series. Also, if TFA is a generic, cliched sci-fi flick, then we must assume the OT is as well, although it's not true in either case because the SW universe is wildly different than most sci fi universes. So I assume you meant generic within the world of star wars? Nothing you are saying makes sense. Is it generic, or is it a copy of the OT?
See heres your problem right here
>They're original trash
Bam, it's too late. They are trash. No arbitrary freshness metric redeems them. You can bitch about them being original all you want but that doesn't make them good or better than something that isn't. I think it's time for you to stop focusing on pulling shit out of your ass to criticize the movie and start focusing on the politics of the production that you are actually upset with.
>>71441144
>>71441663
forgot
>that shit-talking between Anakin and Sebulba before the race
>>71441704
tfa was trash too kek
>>71441574
The Force Awakens disrespects the original characters. It reverts them to back their ANH selves, negating the progress from Empire and Jedi. This was a waste of Hamill, Fisher, and Ford. Disney could have remade the original movie at any point. I wanted to see an organic continuation from the original trilogy.
>>71434757
Fucking Based
Is there anything Jim can't do?
>>71441798
make a good movie
>>71441753
nice try.
>>71441775
Yeah, I would have rather seen Han as a Patton-esque character, a gruff, dispossessed commander in the New Republic, complete with his own Super Star Destroyer or something, who really would rather be out on the front lines.
He's Kirk at the beginning of Star Trek II.
Now, let's say he only gets into the Falcon to go on one last adventure, as a means of connecting with his former life that now feels so distant that it might as well never have existed.
There. I just wrote a better characterization than anything in TFA.
>>71441623
>bad quips
They are not acceptable. I am not saying TFA was perfect or even great. Just more acceptable than PT.
>Bland Characters
Poe and Finn were hardly bland.
Rey and Kylo do need work though.
>>71434825
That movie was not bad, it was decent and tried some new shit with most of the characters and bad guys, unlike force awakens
>>71441379
>Once you realize that the prequels were supposed to be a glimpse of a "paradise lost"
That fact that people don't get this speaks to how dumb moviegoers really are.
Lucas deliberately made the PT brighter, smoother, more "futuristic" because it was supposed to really drive home how dark the galaxy became under the Empire. The PT is full of life and wonder.
TFA is an MCU flick with Star Wars skin
>>71441677
But T2 was a great movie on top of being a technological landmark.
Tech demos do not make great movies and shouldnt be touted as such. Cameron is a great director and could do waaaaaaaay better than Avatar.
>>71442032
There is no hope for you.
>people actually liked that movie
>>71442111
I guess that means I lost huh?
:(
Quickly, think of a line from TFA and post the first one that comes to mind.
>Chewie, we're home.
Took me 30 seconds and I only remembered it because of the trailer.
>>71435737
Alot of Scottish people have a percentage of crypto jew blood in them.
>>71442250
>got a boyfriend? cute boyfriend?
>>71442002
Make Leia into some Mon Mothma-esque leader of the New Republic, the current chancellor of the new Senate.
Again. All logical progressions from where they were at the end of the OT.
>>71442002
Definitely this. Finn was really wasted too. I was excited about seeing a rogue stormtrooper. It would have offered a unique perspective to the SW universe. Boyega seems like a fine actor who managed to overcome some pretty terrible writing. His character is literally a racist caricature who exists to be a red herring and make the protagonist look better in comparison. How is this allowed? The only potential issue I see with making Finn competent is that might cause competition with the role Han Solo was playing. Though the Original Trilogy managed to balance its three leads. So it definitely isn't impossible.
Leia should have had a larger government presence and Luke should not be in hiding. Obi-Wan and Yoda had an excuse. They were branded enemies of the state and had little support. Meanwhile, Luke's enemies are led by the dude who got beat down by untrained chick. Who signed off on these ideas?
>>71442076
Cameron is not above wanting to improve himself
hes spoken before that one of his biggest goals is making an even better story with lots of surprises.
I have no doubt the sequels will be mindblowing
>>71442328
I hope so.
But the first one doesnt really make me want to see more from this universe. I kinda wish he would move on to a new movie and just leave avatar be.
>>71442250
Han Solo to Finn
>I like you
>>71442316
The Disney focus groups.
>>71442316
Merge Finn and Poe and make him a TIE pilot who was shot down in the opening battle.
"Poe" is now a gunslinger/spy/scoundrel who gets trapped while stealing the macguffin after his would-be getaway ship is shot down by Finn's squadron in the opening battle. He's a Kyle Katarn-esque character who carries/wields a lightsaber, implying that he has received at least some training at Luke's academy. He loses the macguffin in the battle and Rey finds it.
Rey is now a master mechanic and skilled street-fighter who saves Finn's ass because she needs him to fly her and Poe's replacement off of Jakku.
There, I just fixed another bunch of TFA's atrocious characterizations.
>>71442905
My idea was keep Finn as the Stormtrooper. Remove the pointless Captain Phasma and make Finn the trusted subordinate of Kylo Ren. Finn could lead the hunt to find and capture Rey and BB-8, which leads him down the path of turning away from the dark side. This would make the whole traitor thing meaningful. Plus, Rey and Finn could teach and learn from one another. Besides hearing stories from various travelers, Rey's knowledge is limited to Jakku. Meanwhile, Finn is the victim of brainwashing and he has to open his mind to the larger world as well.
>>71434857
what death grips track is this?
IDGAF about AVATAR sequels.
Where's TRUE LIES 2?!
>>71443243
That's kinda why I think a "Poe as force-attuned New Republic spy" would have worked so well.
He's the worldly traveler in the way that Han was in the OT, but his casual use of the force (at about the same level as Luke in TESB, mind you, though with a rebellious nature that echoes Qui-Gon) is living proof that all of Obi-Wan/Yoda/Luke's hopes about a post-empire world are coming true.
You also now have the opportunity to get rid of the entire Maz/pirate planet plot thread, since Poe can now introduce Rey to the force after he notices how well she fights.
He's also the sage, slightly older personality who helps Finn break his brainwashing and helps Rey get a better sense of the galaxy at large.
A more significant role like that would also have put Oscar Isaac's considerable talents to that much better of a use.
>>71435613
>Putting 2 before anything
Moron
>>71434757
>the man who endorsed and talked about how much he loved terminator genysis disliked the force awakens
FTFY
>>71434792
Atleast Avatar felt like somewhat of an adventure.
The Force Awakens was so dull and goes from A to B with what feels like minutes. Avatar had a decent cast, TFA was terrible.
>>71443765
Ney >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rey
>>71443709
that had better acting then tfa
>>71440865
just to add
>Been to the bottom of the marianers trench alone
>found tech to research underwater treasures like the bizmarck
>founded best industry 3D
>pushes visuals
>pushing space exploration
>makes kino
>>71443572
I think Poe was shoved to the side because his character is so similar to Han. A hotshot pilot with a cocky personality. He'll probably be the full time replacement in Ep. VIII.
Maz (Yoda-Lite) could be replaced by Han stumbling upon Rey and deciding to get her to Luke. Like, what if the remnants of the empire were pushed to the outer rim and were actively hunting down force sensitive individuals to build a special division. Maybe that's why Kylo Ren was after her. I'm just trying to get rid of the map subplot and Death Star.
>>71443905
> pushes visuals
> founded best industry 3D
Is he the successor of George Lucas?
>>71443913
>I'm just trying to get rid of the map subplot
holy shit I saw TFA twice and I forgot about that.
>>71434757
>Its nice to see someone finally admit that TFA was watered down assembly-line garbage.
Where have you been the last 7 months?
>>71434757
He's got a point. I honestly didn't see the big deal was with the movie other than the brand it was attached to.
>>71434958
Its almost like he gets paid when people use his IP.
If you remember he also said nice things about T3 when it came out, only to retract that years later.
If Jimmy is still around in 5 years expect him to call geneCISSCUM a piece of shit when he's no longer receiving residuals.
>>71434757
well let's face it, he could direct a better Star Wars movie.
>>71443913
>I think Poe was shoved to the side
His character was supposed to die originally.
>Maz (Yoda-Lite) could be replaced by Han stumbling upon Rey and deciding to get her to Luke. Like, what if the remnants of the empire were pushed to the outer rim and were actively hunting down force sensitive individuals to build a special division. Maybe that's why Kylo Ren was after her. I'm just trying to get rid of the map subplot and Death Star.
Remember they cut absolutely everything they could of Maz right before they released the movie. They weren't happy about the performance/mocap/visual effects, and tried to diminish the effect. Something like 20 minutes of an important side character integral to the plot hit the cuttingroom floor and everything else was shifted around or reshot to fill in the gaps. I think this is why the whole second act just falls apart from any traditional story-telling perspective, and why the third act just kind of stands out as awkwardly connected to the rest of the movie. The character that was supposed to dump all the exposition and flesh out the second act isn't in the movie anymore. What you're left with is everything they couldn't cut from the movie for practical concerns.
Which in and of itself is just ridiculous. If you're going to have a major character in your movie be a mocap cartoon ayy lmao, wouldn't you do some screen tests with it before you commit?
>>71443913
>That map subplot
>The Moon Star (pic related)
God damnit, that movie was written poorly...
>>71444613
Maz was more of an issue of "Weren't able to get a design they were satisfied with ready for the puppet builders in time".
That same design indecision is why Azog and Bolg in the Hobbit movies look so shitty.
Avatar is known solely for one reason.
>>71444613
But see, my "Han and Qui-Gon thrown in a blender" Poe could have done all the exposition beautifully.
A world-weary former student of Luke's who stopped training when Luke left and was hired by the rebellion to find him would be the perfect plot/force exposition character. Basically a force-attuned Season 6 Jaime Lannister in terms of characterization.
Just work it in while he teaches Rey about the force and teaches her how to wield his lightsaber.
>>71444432
He kind of did. It was a pile of contrived horse shit and a script that reads like a madlib, but at least I can remember things that happened in the movie 8 years later.
I forgot most of TFA by the next day.
>>71444691
But that's almost inexcusable. Its disney, and it's fucking star wars. Why do you not nail those elements down in pre-production?
If this was some who-gives-a-fuck IP from a medium studio, I could understand. But everyone involved is way too big to not know better.
>>71445008
Half-assed aliens that look like Dr Who rejects is what you get when you don't have Henson do the aliens.
No Lucas cinematography.
No Ben Burtt.
No Henson aliens.
No Star Wars.
>>71444825
>implying you need any force sensitivity to be the greatest pilot the universe has ever seen.
And on another note, can someone tell me why rogue one isn't just Top Gun in space with Wedge Antillies as Tom Cruise and Biggs as Goose.
>>71445089
In my idea, he's not the pilot.
Finn is. A TIE pilot who was shot down and befriends Poe/Rey while trying to escape from behind enemy lines.
