what is your favourite movie of the 21st century?
pic related, it's mine
>>71370385
good taste. the entire 21st century is a bit too wide a net though. I prefer to list by decades.
>>71370672
nice
I love all the movies on that list that I've seen
I really have to get on Hansen-Love, haven't seen a single one
you hyped for Manchester-by-the-Sea?
and do you have any other decade charts?
>>71370672
1. In Praise of Love
2. Syndromes and a Century
3. Inland Empire
4. Platform
5. Stray Dogs
>>71370811
>>71370672
Sorry I didn't mean to link your post :<
>>71370672
>tree of life
>hard to be a god
>melancholia
>best films
>>71370811
OP here. I've got to get my shit together and finally give Godard a proper focus. I've only seen Band of Outsiders and Pierrot le Fou
I also need to see Platform. On your list I love 2 and 5 though.
>>71370672
>tree of life
>the social network
tips*
>>71370385
Is this before or after she "fixed" her qt gap teeth?
>>71370949
gap teeth are still present I think
movie was made in 2005 despite not being released until 2011
>>71370733
just from the 2000s onward. I only made these yesterday and they're the first films that came to mind. I'm probably missing lots, especially foreign ones.
Hansen-Love is basically the logical extension of Pialat and Assayas. She's amazing. I love her cinema so much.
And fuck yeah Manchester by the Sea sounds great. I was a little underwhelmed by You Can Count on Me but Margaret is on another level.
>>71370949
She fixed her gap tooth?
Fucking dropped
>>71370811
>>71370837
np. those are all great choices too. You clearly love digital formalism as much as I do.
>>71370985
nice
our tastes overlap in a lot of places
Femme Fatale and Mulholland Dr are two of my faves also.
I like Van Sant's death trilogy overall but I'm not a big fan of Last Days. Gerry is my fave of the three.
Did you only see You Can Count On Me once? I loved it before Margaret came out but I can understand why you'd say it's underwhelming if you saw it after Margaret. It's definitely less ambitious but I think it's still very quietly beautiful. Manchester sounds like it's going to be major.
>>71370978
I'll check it out then, thanks!
>>71371018
Yeah, it sucks :(
Dunst fixed her snagglies too.
>>71371271
>Dunst fixed her snagglies too.
>>71371326
The chick from Paramore fixed her gap too.
I can't find anyone with qt teeth anymore :(
>>71371271
it's the best performance she's ever given and possibly will ever have the opportunity to give
it's a big shame that the movie wasn't seen
>>71371055
I feel like Last Days nailed my internal circadian rhythm so I have a special affinity for it. It's as calm and as peaceful as an Apichatpong. It's pure zen.
Yes I checked out YCCOM after Margaret which probably didn't help. Reminded me a lot of Lonesome Jim.
You seen any Patrick Wang? He sounds like a major American filmmaker that no one really talks about. Similar wheelhouse to Lonergan.
>>71371511
Whoa thanks a lot for mentioning Wang. I don't know that I've even heard his name before but he definitely sounds pretty fascinating. His debut sounds as though it treads similar ground to Margaret.
>>71371684
some Patrick Wang trailers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVImmFU_kuM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_wUKachuhs
looks amazing right? Ebert gave him rave reviews and invited him to Ebertfest the year he died. I watched a few interviews with him and he seems fiercely intelligent. Wrote, directed and edited his own stuff too. I need to seek out his films.
>>71371765
I am getting hugely excited. I just read an article on his first film that did invoke a comparison to Margaret in terms of its humanist qualities, though it did say Wang's film is less grand than Lonergan's, not in a necessarily lesser way though. Damn, I have just noticed as I was typing this that it doesn't seem as though Wang's movie is even available anywhere. Do you know if it even got a physical release?
I am really very excited.
This bears absolutely no relevance on this line of discussion but I was wondering if you've seen that new O.J. Simpson documentary. I have plans to marathon it tomorrow and I want to know what I'm in for. I've heard such high praise from people but I'm not sure how reputable any of it is. I just don't want to waste a lot of my time with some sensationalistic bullshit.
![goodbye_first_love-poster_movies[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/k6AhsnW.jpg "goodbye_first_love-poster_movies[1].jpg")
by far this
>>71370672
>nothing by Johnnie To
>nothing by Hou Hsiao-Hsien
>nothing by Mann
Are you trolling us?
>>71372185
what's a good place to start with Johnnie To?
I can't speak for the guy you responded to but I haven't seen a single thing by To
I fucking love Mann though. Just saw Ali for the first time last week, thought it contained some of the best sequences of his career.
>>71372057
Yeah I've been obsessed with Patrick Wang for years now and I haven't even seen any of his films! afaik they're available on VOD and DVD, but not in my territory and not in HD, which is a dealbreaker for me. oh well, the wait continues...
I haven't seen that OJ opus but I'm kinda over that whole case. Sorry anon!
>>71372138
are you me?
>>71372185
FUCK ok I gotta add Sparrow in there somehow. My favourite Mann is still Heat so he'd make my 90s list. HHH is good but not an epochal cinematic game changer.
Which Apichatpingpong film should I seek out next? I saw Tropical Malady and the first half was the worst film I've ever seen but the second was pretty GOAT desu.
>>71372286
I'm trying to get Wang's debut through an interlibrary loan at my university's library but it doesn't seem as though it exists in the libraries of any university in this country. You've stymied me now. In the Family sounds like it'd be something I would love so much. You may have passed along your obsession to me.
>>71372400
ha ha now you must share in my pain.
console yourself with his amazing Q&A discussion at Ebertfest. You don't need to have seen the film to enjoy it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3upinmlIjvo
break out the tissues though cause Ebert died literally days before this took place, so the room is still a little raw.
>>71372238
>what's a good place to start with Johnnie To?
A lot of people don't seem to like his comedies, so probably not one of those. My favourites are Sparrow, Throw Down, Breaking News, Exiled, Election and Running on Karma. A lot of people's first To seems to have been Drug War, which is really good, too.
>>71372483
thanks for the link man, I'll be sure to check that out when I have a moment
>>71372533
Thanks for the info. I will try to get my hands on a few of those.
>>71372483
hmm
have you seen this?
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/8682402/2011_In_The_Family_(USA)
the file size is far too low and it sounds as though there might be some copyright disclaimer text but this might be the only thing out there. I'm going to try to give it a download when I get home.
Film Socialisme
Le genou d’Artémide
Stray Dogs
In Vanda's Room
The Brown Bunny
>>71372870
Sure thing give it a shot. Personally I'm perfectly ok with waiting for a proper Blu-ray release. I'm anal about quality. I've already waited like 3 years. What's a couple more ...
Report back if it's worth the hype.
>>71373214
I'm usually the same way, I waited about 10 years for Brighter Summer Day, but lately I've been going through another period of obsession around Margaret and I feel as though I need another movie to move me deeply. I'm hoping this is the one.
If I end up watching it this week I'll make a thread about it or something which I'm guessing will disappear under the barrage of threads about dragon tv shows.
>>71373276
If I don't find it shoot me a personal email:
[email protected]
spoiler alert: I made the website I made those charts with.
>>71373397
Cool man, will do. I was going to ask you what website you used for those charts, has a really sleek design.
>>71373308
I don't quite understand the massive love people have for this movie. It's pretty good, I always feel as though Franco's entrance into the movie kind of derails it though. Interesting for sure.
should I watch margaret even if I can't fucking stand anna paquin?
>>71370858
Go chronologically, there's some minor ones you can skip. Obviously Breathless first, also look at some of the other New Wave directors like Truffaut, Varda, Chabrol, Rivette- none of them except for Varda are really doing anything that comprable to what Godard was though.
>>71373702
what have you seen her in that makes you dislike her so?
I actually haven't seen that many of her movies but I think her performance in Margaret is one of the best I've ever seen. I also think she's great in 25th Hour.
>>71373702
Her annoyingness is actually part of the story, so it depends.
>>71373460
Idk why but I find myself liking Certified Copy less and less, have to rewatch. I'd place Like Someone in Love above it now even though I was shaky on the latter after first watching and in love with CC. Have to rewatch. Both slightly pale to his earlier work imo.
This is one of those times where I feel so out of touch. Why did everyone like Margaret so much? Why? It was trite melodrama with a lot of wailing and screaming masqueraded as pathos. There is not one memorable thing about the thing. I hated everybody and didn't give a shit at all about the bus driver's job, the bitchy high school girl's guilt, any of it.
>>71373900
>>71373837
true blood lol
Will give a try. Interesting that the rating for it is pretty low but I've heard it praised as one of the best recent films pretty often.
>>71374046
I think it's one of the most deeply moving movies I've ever encountered. It surprises me when I encounter people who say they hated everyone and didn't feel moved by the tragedy on display.
I don't understand how it is possible to hate the characters. Yes, they all have flaws and can be infuriating and difficult to take. That being said, I have never met a single person in my life, including myself, who never flies off the handle or inflicts harm on others or acts like an asshole, etc etc. The movie captures what human beings are actually like absolutely perfectly.
I've also never seen a movie that so accurately depicts the passage of youth to adulthood with regard to the realization that comes when you discover that your personal morals, which seem so significant and noble when you're young, will not always accord with the law and will ultimately not always be right.
Is there a more Tarantino movie than this?
>>71374046
I'm sure critic reviews would do a better job at arguing a case for it, but for me it's a city symphony at a scale that's completely rare in American cinema; it's formally ambitious, morally gripping and endlessly knotty in construction. It weaves through lives and relationships with seamless abandon. It makes poignant observations about ego, self-righteousness and communal responsibility.
It's just so rich and alive. I wish more films were that ambitious.
>>71370385
Knight of Cups, to be honest
>>71374332
No shame in that fãm.
>>71374332
It really bums me out that I can't connect with that movie. Malick is one of my faves but Knight of Cups is my least favourite movie of his to the point that it's the only one that I don't even like.
Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives
>>71374204
>I don't understand how it is possible to hate the characters. Yes, they all have flaws and can be infuriating and difficult to take. That being said, I have never met a single person in my life, including myself, who never flies off the handle or inflicts harm on others or acts like an asshole, etc etc. The movie captures what human beings are actually like absolutely perfectly.
See, in my view, most movies that are about the "ugliness of humanity" come off as banal sermonizing, and this movie was no exception. I don't care if she broke down and cried at the end, it was still a movie that tried to make me feel bad for people not worth feeling bad for. The movie takes place in a microcosm of life that personally should not have been exposed. I just didn't give a good shit.
>I've also never seen a movie that so accurately depicts the passage of youth to adulthood with regard to the realization that comes when you discover that your personal morals, which seem so significant and noble when you're young, will not always accord with the law and will ultimately not always be right.
Here is the summary of Margaret: Naive upper-class girl distracts overworked bus driver, bus driver kills woman, naive girl acts like an annoying little whore for 2 more hours, bus driver spends most of his screentime in a seated position, naive girl bitches some more, then cries in the last scene. The end.
This isn't some grand statement, it's just a teenager using her grief to act out in repugnant ways. Literally every sitcom and ABC Family drama has done this.
>>71374239
>it's formally ambitious, morally gripping and endlessly knotty in construction. It weaves through lives and relationships with seamless abandon. It makes poignant observations about ego, self-righteousness and communal responsibility.
This is all just bullshit. You're prattling on like it's a Cassavetes movie when in reality it's more like a lesser Alexander Payne. But what can you expect from the mastermind behind Analyze This.
>>71374581
Read more criticism.
>>71374757
are these the same critics who praised The Avengers? I think I'll trust my own instincts and stand by the notion that people like Margaret to pretend they're more in touch with humanity than they actually are.
>>71374495
You frankly sound quite dim.
But I guess anyone who critiques movies by saying things like "naive girl acts like an annoying little whore" is probably a retard.
>>71374824
No. They aren't. but who needs considered, thoughtful analyses when you have your "instincts", right?
>>71374860
1. she's naive. This is beaten into you every five minutes
2. she's annoying. I think even the fans of this movie would agree
3. She's a whore. fucks the teacher, fucks that wuss from The Newsroom, who knows how many other people she fucked in the 4 hour extended cut I will never see.
The only thing dim here was the color palette in this shitpile film. "HURRR IT'S NEW YAWK SO WE GOTTA MAKE IT GREY GREY AND BROWN" said the shit-house writer who helmed such legendary films as Analyze This and The Adventures of Rocky & Bullwinkle.
>>71374924
>considered, thoughtful analyses
oh like "it's a city symphony at a scale that is completely rare in American cinema"? What's next? Are you going to tell me that it's "a love letter to this world and all that's in it"? Pretentious faggot.
>>71374441
>>71371511
Please respond to my query:
>>71372350
>>71375053
Any of them
>>71375040
It's a gaggle of crickets playing Mahler on a hot winter's day, the irreverent revelry of the rambunctious poet laureate, swirling its life away in a cup of Starbucks that is the modern Charybdis.
>>71374988
Congrats you described the intended effect of her character but completely missed the point of the ending.
And you obviously can't have a real discussion about film without resorting to retard memespeak, so it's pretty clear you're not intellectually equipped to handle a film like Margaret.
>>71375135
this overly defensive sentence is brought to you by /tv/'s Pretend Cinephile Club. We enjoy discussing such modern epics as Margaret and The White Ribbon.
>>71375192
>And you obviously can't have a real discussion about film without resorting to retard memespeak,
Yeah, my "memespeak" is so much worse than our cloyingly sentimental gushing over a crappy soap opera. OMG HUMANITY IS SO IMMORAL SOMETIMES I HAD NO IDEA!
>>71375265
>HURRRRR DURRRRRR
This is what you sound like right now.
Maybe watch it again once you've grown out of your edgy teen phase.
>>71375334
I'd rather buy the DVD just to throw it in the garbage than watch this pile of shit again.
>calls Margaret immature and annoying
>is himself immature and annoying
dat irony tho
>>71375446
much like the shitty movies this board seems to fellate for some reason (Possession, Margaret, Blue is the Warmest Color) it brings out the worst in me.
>>71374332
Same here
>>71375499
>>71375499
other two fine, but Possession? try watching another of his movies and see if you get it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0pP66O9VN0
>>71375426
It really bums me out that a raging retard like you can come into one of the only threads on this board featuring any kind of discussion about quality movies that isn't hostile or juvenile and you can just derail it with your adolescent, embarrassing bullshit. Why couldn't you have just come in and said "I don't like this movie, let's discuss our feelings about it." You're the exact reason this board is such a pile of shit. Grow up.
>>71376705
Not that guy but, i just watched the trailer and it looked like a bland television drama movie. Is it good?
>>71376942
I think it's amazing. That dummy is far in the minority at this point. It is generally considered one of the most significant American films of the last several years.
The reason that the movie isn't more well-known is that it was buried underneath several lawsuits that prevented it from being released for years after its release. With each year that passes it seems to accumulate more and more ardent supporters. Give it a shot.
>>71377074
Why did they try to sue it?
>>71377272
The director took too long handing in a final cut, he had to borrow money to keep working in the editing room. The studio then had problems with his cut and insisted that it be cut down from its original length which was around 3 hours. The studio retards cut the movie down to 2 hours and insisted their cut was superior. At one point Scorsese and his editor entered the scene and produced an edit of it themselves, Scorsese was one of its initial defenders and referred to Lonergan's initial cut as a masterpiece. Lonergan dealt with several lawsuits before the movie was actually released and even when it was released it was only put into a handful of theaters in NYC for a week or two. The studio's resentment over Lonergan's refusal to comply was clear.
The physical release of it contains both a 2.5 hour and a 3 hour cut. If you end up watching it I'd strongly recommend the longer cut. They're both great but the 3 hour cut is superior.
