this is so much more creative than the shit we get now
The real Dragon Ball ended with the Freeza battle. Everything else from that point onwards is official fanfiction at best. The series became of parody of the real Dragon Ball. Even based Kubo, blessings be upon Him, knew he had to reset Bleach after Aizen.
>>71294876
why americans always suck the earlier season's dick so much?
>>71294876
i think you mean cell saga
fucking pleb
>>71295358
This fucker is right, the Cell saga was the beginning of the end...that shit was so good.
>>71294500
>mfw I liked GT because it continued on DBZ and showed us in the future of what all the heroes are now doing, some with families etc.
>tfw watching the comfy as fuck adventures of Pan, Trunks and Gil collecting the dragon balls.
Anyone who shits on GT pretends they're some huge DB fans who probably don't even own anything of Dragonball etc and pretend they're Japanese. Grow up.
>>71295472
Most people like GT, It's just the crazy weebfags that don't. Same with Faulconer. You can find evidence of this everywhere.
>>71295358
>i think you mean cell saga
the moment every sayan could turn super like it was nothing, the show became a parody of itself. dragon ball was dead after freeza.
>>71295358
>>71295435
agreed since gohan had the greatest moment of glory in that arc
>>71294934
It's some weird syndrome that people attach to the earliest entry they were exposed to and think it's the best. That's why Part 3 of JJBA is so loved, even though Jotaro has -10 charisma and it's villain of the week.
DBZ in general had shit pacing and GOKUWINSLOL.
>>71295472
Yeah the dragonball collecting is generally considered the best part, same with the dark dragons. It's the middle where it's a fucking slog to go through.
>super 17
>baby
>mfw
So, who else has been watching Super and thinks its fucking amazing?
>>71294876
Cell Saga, man. I read the manga as opposed to watching the show, and Cell is the last great saga.
>>71294934
The guy is a complete retard. Anyone sensible is gonna tell you it ends after DB. Everything afterwards is clearly out of place plot and humor wise. You can't just fucking replace the recurring villains with boss of the week villain aliums and tim etravel bullshit.
>>71294500
I thought the method to obtain SSJ4 was actually really clever and I like how the actual transformation itself stood out from the rest. GT had some good ideas just badly executed, say what you will about Super but the only thing I like about it so far is how Toriyama seems to be meshing early DB and DBZ together giving the sense of wonder and adventure it had.
>>71295674
>It's some weird syndrome
it's not a weird syndrome you dipshit. DBZ started in the late 80s. it became bad because it just did. it was one of the first long running shounen anime and had nothing to compare itself to and fix its mistakes.
>>71295598
At least GT tried to be the adventure revolving around gathering dragon balls. DBZ was nothing but a circlejerk compared to the original concept. Dragon balls literally became a completely irrelevant plot device instead of the holy grail of the series.
>>71294876
Actually, the official end of the canon story is when the dragon grants the first wish and Goku topples Pilaf's castle. Everything after that is fanfiction.
>>71295892
Which episode of that?
>>71295873
>DBZ was nothing but a circlejerk compared to the original concept.
wtf is that even supposed to mean ?
>>71295919
Maybe episode 11 or 12. I'm sure by 14 he's left to go see Master Roshi for training
>>71294876
True. Later episodes are enjoyable as well, though. Especially when you put on the nostalgia goggles.
>>71295892
>the official end of the canon story is when
turbo plebs. Cell was not bad but it was irrelevant and -evidently- a slippery slop for the show's progression, the battle with Vegeta and then Freeza were the completion of Goku's story.
>>71295952
Just a what if character masturbation with shoehorned villains that has barely any structure or coherent sense. It's undeniable that the plot got turned upside down after DB.
I've always liked Gundam more.
>can't make ss4 female saiyan in xenoverse
TORIYAMA I KNOW YOU DID THIS
>>71296053
I was being an extremist to make a point. Toriyama considered ending the series as far back as after the dragons first wish. He considered ending it a couple times in the Dragon Ball stories and a few more times in the Z part of the series.
I happen to like Buu and GT.
>>71296077
The whole series is DB. Leave your anime only cuckshed.
>>71295674
>baby
>bad
>>71294934
When the series ran on Toonami they ran out of dubbed episodes after the cell saga and the series went on repeat for a couple years. The later seasons weren't bad, they just aired when millenials stopped being interested in cartoons.
The Cell/Android saga is good up until the Cell games part. I refuse to believe that if Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, and Gohan couldn't have ganged up on Cell and defeated him. Especially when they had a full bad of senzu beans.
Of course we get the same 'I played around too long and lost my chance' stunt that Vegeta pulled a few episodes earlier.
>>71296112
>Toriyama considered ending the series
But he didn't and that was his problem. He didn't have any other shounen mangakas to learn from. It happens when you are a pioneer. But now Kishimoto and Kubo and Oda, all know the problems of a long running show and how tough it is to wrap up everything so they plan ahead.
The real story of Goku ends with Freeza.
>>71296234
>Pan and Uub get cucked for 12 episodes waiting for Goku to get a new power up and save the day
>Piccolo dies for no reason
It was just the shitty Super version of Resurrection F without Freeza.
>>71296349
>Kubo
>Oda
>Plan
Are you brain damaged?
>>71296349
I would've just had Goku die at the hands of Frieza, Gohan takes over and during the Cell games tournament, Goku reappears as a ghost helping him defeat Cell. That's it. Would've been that simple and made that last meeting between them more special.
>>71296349
>The real story of Goku ends with Freeza.
>oh hey guys there's this kingly emperor of the universe here and you've just defeated him
>THE END, nothing further happens
Do you even realize how this shit sounds? Once, you start exploring goku's origins, all that shit has to be explained, you can't just end after a prolonged fight with the big baddie. Ending on frieza would have made zero fucking sense. Same goes for ending it after SPACE FARING ALIEN OVERLORDS INVADE YOUR PLANET.
No. Just keep it contained on planet Earth and end it there.
>>71294500
>There are people in this thread right now who seriously don't think the King Piccolo Saga was the peak of the entire franchise.
Everything was so right with it. Every character had some point, even Krillin.
>>71296093
>gouf custom
>that scene in 8h ms team
>that glory
My nigga
I liked it up until everyone was able to transform into super saiyans. It was still fun to watch after Frieza. All of the supporting characters became useless Frieza. The mangas creation eventually led to Budokai Tenkachi 3.
I haven't watched Super. My nostalgia glasses aren't ready for another Dragonball binge.
>>71295674
>That's why Part 3 of JJBA is so loved, even though Jotaro has -10 charisma and it's villain of the week.
THIS
>>71296653
The kids becoming SSJ was the worst part, especially how mystical it all was supposed to be. Kind of ruins all of that.
>>71295729
Aside from the Black Goku saga it's fucking horseshit.
why was super saiyan 3 the best looking transformation in the series?
>>71295729
Me....
>great action scenes
>comfy family + friends episodes
>friends acting like idiots are actually funny..who knew ?
Buu saga is the best part of all of Dragon Ball. Every Dragon Ball anime is unwatchable shit after you've read the original comics. These are two undeniable facts.
>>71296517
>Once, you start exploring goku's origins, all that shit has to be explained
but they did that with RADITZ
>>71296785
because of Sean Schemmel / Mario Castañeda
Shonen things are not good.
>>71296568
only probably is King Piccolo's voice actor is fucking annoying. Seriously the laughing is too much. Every bit of dialogue starts with this guy laughing, even when he's getting his ass beat. I guess it's some 80s way of being menacing but it would have been better if he was more brooding and serious.
>>71296983
muh school girls
muh pedo lust
>it's a "Vegeta is le grumpy comic relief man who hates his pink shirt and not a monster who genocided countless planets and not once showed even the slightest regret" episode
>>71297162
But he does show regret. What do you want him to do wallow in his cuckshed like Yamcha?
>>71297162
>Killed billions and one of his allies (Nappa) and tried to kill his """friends""" multiple times
>Gets cucked by an alien Egyptian cat after he bitch slaps his wife
>>71294876
2.34 MB for that piece of shit
>>71296983
>Hokuto no Ken
>JJBA
>Not good
Laugh at this man
>>71295358
Agreed since the show actually "ends" in that saga unlike with Freezer
>>71297162
>It's a "lets have a laugh and a friendly warm up fight when the humanity is extinct in the future"
>>71296983
You mean "Anime fucking sucks"
>>71295751
Pretty much this. Seeing how Gohan is technique the main character, it'd be fitting.
>>71294500
Dubs confirm
>>71294500
I find the lack of lewdness in this new dragon ball disturbing.
>>71294500
>>71295822
>>71296752
What the fuck is "SSJ"?
>>71297466
dubs of wisdom
>>71297975
Super sayanjin junior.
>>71297975
Super Saiyan-jin, the technical correct way to say Super Saiyan.
It's essentially the oldest weeb activity on the internet, next to calling Pokemon characters by their japanese names.
>>71296983
>Laugh at this man
fufufu
>>71297043
Yes anon, it's definitely pedophilia to be attracted to a 16 year old drawn character who does not even look like a real person.
>>71297547
These daytime shounen shows you people obsess over and equate with all anime make up a vanishingly small portion of it.
I never watched DBZ as a kid. Is it still worth watching for the first time as an adult?
>>71298419
You should watch Dragon Ball first.
>>71298419
I doubt it, and the original series alone has 300 episodes that were aired over the course of seven years or so.
>>71296053
yeah, frieza was known throughout the universe as the strongest
then they get back to earth and some hobo reject from a destroyed army is just all "lol invented androids that far surpass the previously strongest known being in the universe"
>>71298527
Science
DBGT had elements to create a great DG show. However it also had stupid shit like having Goku being a kid again and having goku god level status
>>71298419
No, but the original Dragon Ball is.
Arale too.
>>71298467
Bullshit. You can watch DBZ without knowing a lick of Dragonball.
The only thing I would recommend is watching the King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. saga to know why characters treat King Piccolo's son as evil in the early arcs/movies.
>>71298527
was frieza stronger than his dad and bro? i never understood where they stacked up against each other
>>71298775
>goku god level status
?
he got his ass kicked several times
>>71296467
Oda's had these yonko arcs and other new world shit mapped out for years now faggot
>>71298906
Sure he did, pal.
is super worth watching? i got bored after the beerus fight, the filler in super is braindead as fuck
>>71298859
I believe his dad was stronger, but King Cold just liked to chill in the background and not be known so everyone only knew about Frieza. Cooler isn't technically canon as he only appears in the movies and GT but Cooler would be stronger than Frieza.
>>71298844
Sure, good luck knowing half the Dragonball Z's cast without knowing Dragonball.
>>71298844
> You can watch DBZ without knowing a lick of Dragonball.
Dumb fucking americans.
>>71299032
Most kids watched DBZ without watching Dragonball. It's not like you need to know all their backstories.
>>71299083
>most obese burger kids were cucked into watching DBZ first for absolutely no reason
FTFY
>>71296467
Oda is maybe the only long-running mangaka who doesn't seem to be making shit up as he goes along
>>71299022
>cooler
>stronger than frieza
frieza fought evenly with SSJ Goku for a while.
Cooler got rekt in like 2 minutes by SSJ Goku
>>71299260
Goku was stronger then. SSJs can be different strengths. Goku's base form was a lot stronger so his power got multiplied more.
>>71299004
Basically watch every Post-2008 DBZ movie and special, then read the manga-version of the tournament arc and you're basically caught up on Super. The newest arc in the anime Super is probably the first they give a shit animation/plot-wise.
>>71299032
>>71299070
Fuck off. Pretty much everything aside from the power system in DB becomes fodder in DBZ.
All you need to know is:
-The DBZ warriors are all Goku's insert friends, while characters introduced in DBZ(Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Goten) get the most screentime
-The only main female characters become insert wives while the forgotten(Baba, Launch, Puar, etc.) are barely shown in the series.
Heck, even the dragon balls themselves are reduced to a dues ex machina to revive characters. Heck in the Buu Saga, they skip the Dragonball hunt all-together, leaving the game version(Buu's Fury) to add the arc in.
>>71299294
he had just gotten back, he wasn't that much stronger. coolers final form was weaker than freizas but metal cooler was way stronger than mecha frieza
metal cooler BTFO ssj vegeta and goku and only lost because his hard drives were too small
>>71299397
>Basically watch every Post-2008 DBZ movie and special, then read the manga-version of the tournament arc and you're basically caught up on Super
what specials are there other than the movie beerus stuff and the ressurection f movie? i watched super until like episode 10 or 15 i forget. ill def cehck out that manga.
>>71299397
>heck
>>71299490
goku had zenkai activation after the frieza fight
>>71299517
yea i suppose. i still like to think frieza is stronger though but i guess not.
>>71297975
Super Sand Lesbian
>>71299490
The "Yo Son Goku and his friends return" and "Dragonball: Episode of Bardock" specials.
Apparently, the movies consider both specials as canon(despite how canon-breaking they are).
You don't have to watch them to know further plot details, but they do carry minor details that characters mention at certain parts.
>>71299606
so then why does frieza get the ruler of the universe title?
>>71298874
you mean every time? Never beat a villian other than frieza on his own
>>71299788
cooler and king cold don't give a shit about ruling planets apparently
>>71294876
Nah. The Cell Saga is the best Saga though.
>>71298419
Read the manga. The anime is snail-paced filler ridden shit. Toei a shit.
Also there's no DB and DBZ, that's an anime thing. Each arc is slightly more serious than the previous one and there're always time skips so saying there's one big change is stupid.
>>71299867
Cooler isn't canon.
>>71294876
>>71294934
>>71295358
>>71295435
>>71295646
>>71295660
>>71295674
>>71296349
Arcs from best to worst
>Red Ribbon Army
>Saiyan
>22nd Budokai Tenkaichi
>Hunt for the Dragon Balls
>21st Budokai Tenkaichi
>Namek
>23rd Budokai Tenkaichi
>Android
>Piccolo Daimao
>Buu
DBZ officially ends when Frieza kills Krillin. Everything that happens after is just a scene that plays out in Krillin's head before he dies.
I feel like I'm the only person who liked the Buu saga.
It gets slagged off a treat on the chan.
>>71300208
>Not adding Fortune Teller Baba arc, one of the best arcs.
When will this meme end?
>>71294876
Toryiama actually wanted it to end after Bulma found Goku. Everyone knows this
For me Dragon Ball ended when DBZ started. Sure I would eat it up as as a kid, but looking now back at it DBZ and basiacally every shounen is boring to me. It's suffering.
Introduce baddie - level up - beat the baddie - but wait! There's actually even stronger baddie! - rinse and repeat for 300 episodes with filler sometimes.
Original at least have this light atmosphere and humour I really enjoyed. Still, there's Dr.Slump for that.
Also
>Implying DB GT opening song isn't best in entire franchise
>>71300373
>Needless splitting
That's part of the Red Ribbon Army arc.
>>71300378
Actually he only made the series for the first North American dub theme song
GOKU. HE'S GONNA SHOW YOU. Was the true end.
>>71300382
>>71300382
>Death Note
>shonen
op here
how come DB threads only take off when you use a DBGT image?
>>71300686
it was in shonen jump, lad.
>>71300812
I think he's using it in the sense that it's not one of those forever running manga.
>>71294876
true.
the cell saga was good, but it's not an epic saga like the freeza one.
Freeza saga ended to whole history of saiyans.
>>71297162
Vegeta is weak as fuck compared to others.
Don't you know how power levels work?
>>71303161
>vegeta
>weak
he's a hair behind goku in power "generally"
>>71295358
>Everyone becomes a Super Saiyan without anywhere near as good a moment as Goku's transformation, with the exception of Trunks(who does so in a side story)
>Two waves of fake main villain reveals
>characters acting stupid to carry out the plot
>main villain that, while charismatic, has no real motivation outside of just fighting
>Gohan becomes relevant after just doing nothing for most of the saga after going into the Hyperbolic Plot Chamber.
Visually and superficially its a very cool arc. But its nowhere near as poignant or well done as the Frieza saga.
>>71298844
>>71299397
This is why the western fanbase doesn't "get" the Buu saga(or now Super). Skipping over the first half made you all confused why things weren't all dark and edgy like the Saiyan/Cell sagas. You appreciate DragonBall as a whle a lot more by watching Dragon ball, because when it ends with the Buu saga its like it comes full circle.
>>71303406
mentally weak
do you think we'll ever see vegitto again?
he'd wipe the floor with Whis
>>71300812
>this anime is popular
>let's call it shonen
this is the weaboo way of calling something a flick, no?
Anime is for degenerates.
Super was more creative so far than DBZ as a whole outside the whole Fake Vegeta filler.
>>71295358
Everything up until Perfect Cell was GOAT.
Perfect Cell onward was fucking trash, and lost any feeling of threat and actual fear that the Future Trunks, Android and early Cell sagas had worked up.
>>71303969
He's calling Death Note shonen because it was published in Shueisha's Weekly Shonen Jump, retard.
Fuck off, DB Super is heavily guided by the vision of Toriyama, this is the show he wanted to make. It's funny and the fights are creative again which they haven't been since the Saiyan Saga.
>>71295674
>That's why Part 3 of JJBA is so loved, even though Jotaro has -10 charisma and it's villain of the week.
Part 3 is loved so much because it has some of the best supporting cast in the series, and by far the best humour.
Jotaro is pretty shit though.
>>71305193
>It's funny and the fights are creative again which they haven't been since the Saiyan Saga
>>71303969
>not knowing what shonen jump is in a soap land massage board
>>71294876
>Even based Kubo, blessings be upon Him, knew he had to reset Bleach after Aizen
I forced my way through a lot of those chapters because I read enough that I had to see it through. But when it kept going after Aizen with no end in sight, I had to quit. Aizen was involved in too much shit to just up make a new villain and keep the stakes high
>>71294876
>Everything else from that point onwards is official fanfiction at best
That's the funimation (pre Kai) dub that you're thinking of.
>>71295358
Cell arc is the pleb's favorite arc.
Gohan and Vegeta are his favorite characters.
Faulconer is his favorite musical score.
He cares about power levels and versus matches.
He watches "full fight" videos on Youtube as his primary means of experiencing the story.
Don't be this guy, anon.
>>71297162
>he unironically hates those episodes
fuck outta here
>>71304081
how can it be filler if it's canon?
>>71298844
ok but
How did Goku learn about the Dragon Balls?
How did he meet Bulma?
How did he meet Roshi?
How did he get the flying nimbus?
How did he learn the kamehameha?
How did he meet Yamcha?
How did he meet Chichi?
Why is his tail cause for concern?
How did he meet Shenlong?
How did he meet Krillin?
How does he know about the Tenkaichi Budokai?
Why is Tao afraid of Goku?
Why does Gero hate him?
How does he know Baba?
How does he know Tien and Chaozu?
How does he know Piccolo?
Why is it a big thing that he teams up with Piccolo?
How does he know Yajirobe?
How does he know about Senzu?
How does he know about the lookout?
How does he know Popo and Kami?
Why is he married to Chichi?
Why is he touted as the strongest person in the world?
That's ignoring that the best stretch of the story (22nd TB - Freeza) has one entire leg in DB.
And that's ignoring that you're basically suggesting that someone start a show 7 season in.
You're fucking retarded.
>>71303493
>>>Everyone becomes a Super Saiyan without anywhere near as good a moment as Goku's transformation, with the exception of Trunks(who does so in a side story)
i liked what they were going for with vegeta's but it was pretty poorly executed
>>71307167
>I prefer the manga and have reread it 3 or more times over the past few years because it's canon and trimmed compared to even Kai
>favorite arc is King Piccolo in DB
>Goku is my favorite character
>Faulconer sounds like shit to me, I like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZVJq_6_aP4
>I like power level talk
>I don't bother with full fight videos
what does this say about me
>>71308223
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZVJq_6_aP4 [Embed]
This sounds as faggoty as gay fucking ass fuck.
>>71308357
idk sounds way better to me than faulconer. his music doesn't fit the series at all to me after reading the manga.
>>71308357
>This sounds as faggoty as gay fucking ass fuck.
dubfags, everyone
>Super
>>71294500
>implying super isn't awesome,even the filler is good.
Also vegeta had to have bulma build him a power leveling ray gun to reach that form (cheap gay and out of character).
>>71308580
They can't draw for shit to save their fucking lives.
>>71308627
>>71294876
I always thought Vegeta's self sacrifice completed his character arc, which could have ended the series if that was the end of Buu. The ultimate protagonist (Goku) gives way for the redemption of his perfect parallel opposite (Vegeta).
It's like pottery, but the good kind.
>>71308627
they don't have enough time to animate well
have you ever had a job? Have you ever been rushed at your job? Have you ever been rushed at your job by heckling customers who have no idea what you're going through?
Because you sound like you've never had to have a job.
>>71294500
dumb /v/ posters
>>71308790
Christ why are you so defensive? Who cares if it's shit because they're "rushed". It's fucking shit.
>>71295472
For everything GT did right, it did just as much wrong, and some of it horribly wrong. Its biggest problem was that it managed to make virtually all of every fight horribly boring.
>>71308790
>you have to taste shit to know it's shit
Go back to your canal you smelly faggot.
I don't give a single shit about what makes them cry, I am not their mommy you dumb toddler.
If their product they put out in the world isn't up to snuff be sure as shit everyone will tear it apart, because why the fuck put it out if you know it's shit in the first place?
>>71308790
there are plenty of weekly anime that have much better consistent animation
>>71308972
And they probably had more pre-planning and such. Super was rushed out the gate so it could trail on that RoF hype.
>>71308915
>>71308877
I never said it wasn't shit. It's definitely shit. I was replying to the comment "they couldn't draw to save their lives", which sounds a lot like it's coming from someone who doesn't know what's going on with Super's production.
>people watching DBZ without Faulconer's music
>>71308790
They are doing it to save money. When called out on the poor animation the excuse they gave was that they have interns doing it.
cheap bastards,shit's never going to end in ten years they will just release the "remastered edition"
>>71296234
that baby part where vegeta takes on gohan and goten is great, even tho in the end vegeta gets got.... still some primo vegeta shit-talking there (best part of DBZ IMO)
>also later on when they're like "OH NO THEY'RE SHOOTING VEGETA WITH BLUTZ** WAVES AND HE'S TURNING INTO A GIANT APE!!!" --- vegeta pounds his chest and throws a fireball at his own family/people cuz why not
** = i always preferred "BLUNT WAVES" like they were bombarding vegeta with primal instinct and therefore SUPER-BLUNT VEGETA = throwing fireballs at his own family/people cuz why not?
>>71309096
>I seriously hope you don't watch the actual show
Only plebs care about Funimation's fanfiction. And it's always because it's what they grew up with. Arguments with them always boil down to "it's just what I like man, get off my back".
And that's fine (Faulconer made some pretty sweet tunes), but they shouldn't be so insincere and unwilling to man up to shit.
>>71308911
Consider The Following: It's a kids show
>>71296053
the cell saga had a few fun points tho
>the part where vegeta first goes super saiyan against one of the androids and tells his (inspirational/allegorical) super saiyan story and caps it off with TELL ME... DOES AN ANDROID LIKE YOURSELF EXPERIENCE FEAR?!
>"clearly your database doesn't cover our battles in space"
>vegeta lets cell absorb another android or 2 to become perfect cell just because he doesn't want an easy win
yeah TLDR = vegeta is always the best part about DBZ. kakarot = literally dangling a carrot in front of the peasants' faces to keep them going on thinking the story is really about them (via their champion/embodiment goku) --- vegetables = nourishment for healthy ppl.
>>71309096
~I don't give a shit about your falcon.
>>71296321
>I refuse to believe that if Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, and Gohan couldn't have ganged up on Cell and defeated him.
dude, if they ganged up on a big bad and defeated him right away how are they gonna milk it for ~20-40 episodes like the soap opera that it is?
it's supposed to be lesser guys fed to the big bad in order then goku ultimately comes back from whatever excuse was given to keep him away (and milk another 5-10+ episodes of getting the big bad over as a legit threat)
and then ofc every now and then there's a swerve where goku isnt enough to stop the big bad, so enter gohan or a fusion dance/earrings or whatever.but in the end we know that goku is pretty much the be-all/end-all
>>71309240
I loved the FUNI dub of Z growing up and still enjoy it from time to time, mainly for the music. The Funimation dub of Kai blows the Remastered Z out of the water in every area besides music imo. Something about those corny ass japanese tracks just ruin the tone of the show for me.
>tfw no way to watch Kai with Faulconers music
>>71309380
vegeta is also a better husband and father than goku
and he gets to pound bulma every night
vegeta the gawd
>>71294934
The Ocean dub in America was cancelled on the episode where Goku shows up to fight Burter and Jeice. Then Toonami would just restart the series at the first episode - this continued for years.
A lot of American kids, like me, saw the first two arcs more than any other part of the show, so they got attached to it.
Also, the FUNimation dub was fucking abhorrent at the start (the reason they've redubbed the show more than once) and the drop in quality from Ocean was painfully evident. Some people associated that decline in VA quality with a decline in the show's quality.
In fact, that is personally why I haven't seen the entirety of the Buu saga. By the time it finally aired, I was in late high school and lost interest in anime. I'm still holding out for the Kai dub, whenever the fuck that is released.
>>71296321
>>71309512
Only Gohan and Trunks would go for that. Goku and Vegeta are all about muh challenging fights which is why the saga even got that far
Why is different dubs in the same language being produced allowed?
I fucking hate voice actor changes to the deepest core. Fuck this gay earth.
Anyone else remembered that time Chiaotzu sacrificed himself and we all got sad? Yeah that was fun
>>71296769
my gut feeling was right that ~10-universe-multiverse = eventually we get evil/ish incarnations of goku/vegeta from alternate realities/dimensions/timelines so they're able to basically use the same toy molds to make alternate versions of goku/vegeta/etc for cheaper/GRAET-PROFIT!
i'm guessing this goku is from some alternate dimension+timeline in the multi-verse where evidently goku not getting revived via DBs after the cell saga = some baby-type-creature (who takes over other ppl, or maybe even dead people..... which would be ironic given toriyama's love of GT who had baby do the same thing) was able to take over ppl leading up to goku.... or if black is some manifestation of death then goku not being revived post-cell-saga = he was the strongest dead guy so black took him over and came to the realm of the living as/with him.
anyone have any ideas/spoilers as to what black is? i'm thinking he's obviously a baby-type-takeover-specialist since he kept talking about YOU SAIYANS..... maybe the god of death?
>>71295892
The series didn't hit its stride until the first world tournament. Even the Japanese didn't give a shit about DB until then. Toriyama never had a clearly defined point where he planned to end the series. I don't have the link on me (I'm on my phone), but there is a long ass write up somebody did that shoots down every "DB was supposed to end at X arc", using cited information and research.
>>71294500
>le monkey man
>good
>>71294500
I really really really really really hope you're joking.
>>71294500
super is AIDS and i thought GT was garbage but compared to super is hamlet
i mean
db super vs gt plot= debatable tied both garbage
db super vs gt animation = is not even close gt destroys super
db super vs gt power ups = super saiyan 4 is way cooler than dat stupid palette swap that is super saiyan god
db super vs gt character development = tie both garbage
overall i prefer gt even if i think is garbage super is another level of bad
>>71297975
>>71297975
yessir, >>71298111 is right that it's TECHNICALLY super saiyajin or something (i remember it as "saiyajin but there might be another n and/or space in there) but i like to think it's that way cuz of 1) anal translations and people not wanting to say SS/2/3 Goku as in he's a SS version like a nazi, cuz seriously it's not like the super saiyajins suddenly turn into blonde haired + blue eyed aryans when they turn super saiyajn.....
ERM WAIT. THEY LITERALLY GO "SS" AND BECOME BLONDE HAIRED AND BLUE EYED LIKE ARYANS!!!!! COULD IT BE THAT SS GOKU IS TRULY PART OF THE MASTER RACE *ONLY* WHEN HE GETS ARYAN FEATURES AND A LEVEL/RANKING OF "SS"?!?!? NOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT ARE U CRAZY JAPS TRYING 2 TELL ME?!?!!
>>71298844
Why the fuck would you want to skip DB?
>transformations are literal hair color swaps
>evil goku hurr
>more gods marvelization
>bland and bubbly designs
>shit wobbly animation
>DEFINITIVE DRAGON BALL SOUND EFFECTS GONE
>new music so bland and shit that it wouldn't even be allowed to torture terrorists in guantanamo with it
>story is undercut by 24/7 shit gags
>goku's retardation flanderized to lobotomy levels
>new timeslot on sunday morning instead of weekdays at 7-9 pm
Super is utter noxious shit. Literally all the pre social media deviantart tier fanfiction incarnate.
>>71303891
What is "mentally weak" to you? Vegeta has much less innate talent than both Goku and Gohan yet constantly keeps up with them through sheer willpower.
>>71296752
You know i kynda agree with this.
But i enjoyed Gohan goes to highschool so fucking much that i just forgot about it.
Damm such a good arc
>>71309240
It's fucking dragonball. Even without Funimation's changes the show doesn't magically become some kind of paragon of writing. If you think it matters to any significant measure you're retarded.
>>71298874
It means goku is called to be the warden of the dragon balls and planet earth supossedly.
Kynda of some mystical ancestor who watches over you and gives advice for every dragon ball you have
you must be retarded desu
>>71295598
>most people like GT
Maybe in your own little world.
Everyone, even normalfags admit that GT is shit and only worth watching if you're a diehard fan.
>>71310009
>gt destroys super
what are you even talking about?
why say things that are factually untrue?
>>71310945
Animation and Super are antithetical.
>>71298953
He told it all to a terminally ill boy. Everything is just as planned, and we already know how it ends thanks to the detective work of a guy on a forum.
>>71309380
Vegeta was fucking retarded in Cell saga, letting Cell just absorb the androids was frustrating as fuck.
>>71312203
saiyans are all battle-lusting psychopaths
this is literally a genetic trait that they all share, fucking monkeys
t. frieza
>>71312203
The "I want to test my strength against the strongest opponents" is just a plot advancement tool. It would have been more than a little anticlimactic to have supporting cast members finish off the main villain, especially with the knowledge that it's not even his final form.
>>71313122
I don't think any character other than Vegeta ever did that. And Vegeta is the one character it makes sense for.
>>71313906
Goku has done similarthings
>>71312832
>king piccolo is powering up
>goku: "I guess it's now or never!"
>punches him in the gut before he can power up"
times change I guess
You knowwhats fucked up? Realizing that,after all his adventures and training in Dragon Ball, Goku was ultimately weaker than if he never bumped his head. It just set him back.
this should have been god form desu
>it took a new Dragon Ball series to make people realize GT was legitimately good
>>71314515
No, GT is still shit. Super is just worst
>>71295729
that's what this fucking thread was about!
and no i don't think super is "fucking amazing", it's crap. it's a super cash in that's what's super about it
GT was fucking something... when we first saw it. it got me a lot more excited than rehashing the same old shit with weird modern animation
>>71308671
oh my god
>>71295751
The Cell Saga wraps up DBZ the best way possible.
>Gohan's secret power is realized and ends up saving the day
>Goku passes the torch of protector of Earth to his son
>Ultimate threat, encompassing all the powers of themselves and their enemies is destroyed
Buu saga shouldn't have even happened:
>Buu's egg just happens to have gone to Earth right when Babidi has been stopped
>Fusion idea was shit and unnecessary, ultimately a worthless part of the story since none of the final fighters were fusioned
>Gohan, even though he could've curb stomped Kid Buu, doesn't even participate in the final fight
>Goku saves the day, again.
>Every good character is still alive
>>71296568
/thread
It was the most intense sage, then it was freezas
>>71300300
deep
Buu saga da best.
>>71295472
GT was a master piece, disregard plebs who say otherwise.
