Was he a member of the League of Shadows? Or just a random nutcase?
>>71201643
Ex CIA
>>71201643
Ex-US Solider
The Joker isn't meant to have a back story. He's meant to be Batman's opposite and the embodiment of chaos for nothing but fun.
>>71201643
Ex-CIA who decided "fuck it" and just have fun in a really chaotic way
>>71201906
ex-soldier, confirmed cannon :3 PTSD
>>71201906
Then why does he have empathy for soldiers? Pawns of the military industrial complex
>>71201665
>>71201949
This better just be fan canon.
>>71202011
He doesn't have empathy for anyone. He simply points out that people accept soldiers deaths like they do gangbangers.
>>71202004
No, it's not confirmed canon.
It's obvious he was am ex soldier, his ability to make i.e.d's, his precise timing, can operate heavy weaponry, natural leader. It all points to a military background
>>71202227
100% director confirmed cannon
>>71202459
fedora tippers think that anyone can do it if you play life like a video game.
>>71202976
I DON'T
>>71201643
He wasn't crazy, he did what needed to be done to clean up the streets. He broke the mob, outed crooked cops and put a nutjob running around as a bat into hiding.
>>71202459
reddit meme
he would have prints/genotype logged if he was in the military
>>71203019
KNOW
>>71201643
Yes. He was a LoS member who came closest to destroying Gotham.
His actions were even in play 7 years later when Bane came in.
>>71201665
>Ex CIA
>>71203115
>His actions were even in play 7 years later when Bane came in.
Bane?
>>71201643
which one? there are three jokers and one of them is the comedian from watchmen.
Ruthless
>>71203316
I knew they were going to reveal who Joker is, and that there were multiple, but I didn't know about the Comedian thing. That's beyond retarded.
The League of Shadows were manipulating him from behind the scenes, but he wasn't aware of the fact. It becomes more and more obvious the more you watch the film. I hate Nolan for it.
the joker is batman from the future.
>>71203471
esplain
>>71203049
And tried to have groups of hundreds murder each other for absolutely no reason that you're arguing
>>71203471
Either explain or get your head-canon shit out of here, dweeb
>>71203316
the comedian dies though
+ if that were true wouldn't he be able to kick batmans ass? the killing joke joker was a scrawny nerd
>>71203390
wait, wtf, for real? I thought he was just shitposting. Watchman doesn't even exist in the same universe as DC?
>>71203649
>>71203752
A lot of things don't add up.
How was Joker able to drive the police car so fast while sticking half his body out of the window? League of Shadows driving lessons.
How was Joker able to make phone bombs and stick them in people's stomach without killing himself and them? League of Shadows training.
The Joker's whole philosophy is chaos, so why should he care about destroying Gotham? The League of Shadows wanted him to.
I could go on and on.
>>71203902
kek
![rebirth-button[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kHitGyO.jpg "rebirth-button[1].jpg")
>>71203879
It does now.
>>71203902
Was the League the reason of why he survived the police department explosion?
>>71203956
This is the exact moment I stopped reading DC
Fucking way to jump the shark
>>71201790
I heard this one before.
Support for this comes when he's talking to Dent and makes the gangster/solder/old lady scenario
>>71201906
He isn't SUPPOSED to. But come on, if you're a good writer, you have to build a back story to draw motivation of the character.
I think most writers create their own back stories to this character but don't allow the audience to know who THAT person is because it's more enticing.
>>71203902
Maybe hes has some syndrome like hawkings or completely careless
>>71202459
AND his ability to come close to a fist fight to Batman, who trains like a military man
>>71203049
>clean up the streets. He broke the mob, outed crooked cops
That's what Batman does in Batman Begins. Joker didn't do any of that.
You're other argument about dismantling Batman Dent and Gordon though isn't off though.
I don't think he knew if it would work but taking a chance like that does call for a nutjob
>>71204212
Yeah but to be fair he threw a net on the fucker and beat him with a lead pipe. Then his eye's malfunctioned leaving him blind. Bats was not having a good time.
>>71203100
He burned his finger tips, remember?
Batman's hightech face recognition can't identify because the scars and makeup
>>71203902
Bane was from the League.
Do you think Nolan would have the exact same background as Bane for the greatest villain in comic book history?
>>71203390
>>71203879
It's not confirmed yet, but it looks like they might be going that way. Watchmen still doesn't exist in the same universe as DC, but now it's in the same multiverse.
>>71203997
It's not proven, man.
>>71202942
need sauce on this shit
>>71204334
Sound pretty TACTICAL to me
>>71204141
well Burton made it really fucking stupid so why try again?
>>71204616
>hating on based Burton
fucking millenials
>>71204616
Dangit! How did i forget about that story.
Do you think this new joker will have a back story?
>>71204654
>fucking millenials
What's the problem gramps?
>>71204654
not a real Batman movie, it's just a Burton movie with a Batman Skin.
Has no respect whatsoever for the source material.
Keaton was a fucking manlet.
>>71204810
you went too far there son
Keaton portrayed the best Bruce Wayne - an autistic loner millionaire that had nothing to do but wait for the bat signal. His Batman also is the 2nd best looking Bat, his upper lip fit perfectly his cowl.
itt: everybody falls for the bait
>>71201906
Says who? This character has been around since 1940. There's a million incarnations of him. Some have back stories, some don't. There's no rules. And you know what else? Batman is allowed to kill people. He was shooting people with a gun in the batman comic ever. Why do you nerds take this shit so seriously? "batman can't kill people, that's his rules. jokers not supposed to be a real character he just chaos. he's supposed to be all dakr and edgy like heath ledger. 60s batman sucks because it had a sense of humor about this silly bullshit! waaaah!!"
>>71204929
>>71204810
You fucking aspies act like Batman didn't exist before Frank Miller.
>>71204810
>not a real Batman movie,
kid be straight with me, are you retarded???
Even though the movie had a cameo from Bob Kane? (despite however you feel about him)
>>71205034
>batman is allowed to kill people
>batman is not allowed to be funny
>>71205367
(He doesn't know who Bob Kane is.)
>>71205034
Try hitting the return button to separate your points. i couldn't follow
>>71205375
I said he is allowed to be funny idiot. Learn to read.
>>71205425
Try sucking ten dicks.
>>71205567
B T F O
>>71205534
OH, you had quotes around that garbage. kek. Try spacing that shit out better, and try some capitals occasionally.
>>71205034
>he doesn't appreciate deep lore
>>71205727
Try licking 9 slitz.
>>71205034
What was dark and edgy about the heath joker? It seems pretty obvious that the new ssquad joker is going to be nothing but edge. But heath's joker was dirty and insane, not edgy and deliberately 'crazy'.
Heath joker had no edge - he simply wanted to make Batman (or some other 'good' guy) kill him. To prove himself right. Edgelords don't care to be proven right, they are trying to stand out - heath's joker only wanted to fit in, couldn't, and so needed a way out.
>>71205567
>>71205847
who is this madman
>>71205847
But your mom is busy sucking the corn out of my ass.
>>71205870
I'm not going to dignify this with a response.
>>71201790
Is that confirmed? only evidence I was told was a 2 second clip where he is at the funeral or whatever dressed as a solider. Not saying you are wrong at all just wondering if there is more textual evidence for this.
>>71205893
You spelled cum wrong.
>>71205391
I do and I don't care, it sucked.
>>71205567
Why ten?
>>71205917
kek.
me neither!
no (You)'s from me, no sir.
>>71205958
Spiderman reboot sucked too but it was definitely a spiderman movie
>>71205917
you just did
>>71204929
too fucking short
>>71205925
He's baiting you. This is all meme fuckery.
>>71204141
Then you don't understand the Joker. Like his character or not, his whole motivation is that he wants to see the world burn because he likes it.
>>71205940
"But your mom is sucking the corn out of my cum" is just gross, though. Shake your head, anon.
>>71205917
He's right though. Heath had a clear goal and motivation. He wasn't just doing it to be a special snowflake.
Heath best Joker for sure.
>>71205034
>June 24th 2016
>DCucks are still MAD that BVS was a shit movie
>>71205870
>new ssquad joker is going to be nothing but edge.
I hope that's not true. Like, Joker character is always edgy. But to only be edgy, is just being retarded without a legal guardian.
BVS was all show and no story. Some called it edgy
>>71206060
>>71206068
I hope i am wrong, but that certainly is how it's looking - all the jared leto on-set stories are just cringe-inducing.
>>71206024
No doubt about him wanting to see the world burn.
But what kind of a person CAN pull this master plan off? Just a nobody with a middle school diploma?
>>71204060
This is the stupidest, most tenuous fan theory.
It's based on:
>He mentioned nobody caring if a truck of soldiers dies in an anaology about distant suffering.
>He knows how to shoot an RPG-7. Literally one of the world's most idiot proof military weapons.
It's a lame theory that reads way too much into nothing.
>>71206060
this
>>71206122
>all the jared leto on-set stories are just cringe-inducing.
this. his joker feels like some sort of dated hot topic edge fest.
>>71201643
No...unless you count his foreshadowing bane...
Joker doesnt have a real backstory, he makes up many or just lies. His story is supposed to be vague because unlike batman he is not motivated by the past.
>>71205917
he's right
>>71206060
What's cool about the unclear back story is that you don't know what to believe. Nolan's Joker sets up a bunch of scenarios and the audience can create their own reasons
>>71206296
I agree
>>71205870
>not edgy and deliberately 'crazy'.
Blowing up a hospital is short of being edgy and deliberately crazy?
Did you see the deleted scene where they kept filming the joker after he blew up the building. That character was not even watching the building crumble. He almost couldn't care less. You should check out the behind the scenes
>>71206064
They sure are.
>>71205925
Are you talking about when he shoots Gordon while trying to get the mayor?
>>71201643
"It's not who I am that matters. It's what I do that makes me who I am."
"It does not matter who we are. What matters is our plan."
>>71206269
You're posting as other people right?
>>71206144
And alfred told a story about a guy and him n his army chums they was fight a guy like him, ex military maybe but heath joker too cool to be soldier he recreated himself.
>>71206296
Yeah, I really liked it when heath Joker's backstory changed the second time he told it. Nice touch. Kinda speaks to what this anon >>71206237
said.
And, no, heath joker is NOT part of the league - he would undermine and destroy the league if he ever got a chance, because the league is just as hypocritical as the 'good' guys. And heath joker is well ahead of the curve.
>>71206426
Nobody cared who I was until I hit post.
>>71206144
So what's your theory then?
>>71203956
wasnt there a shot at the beginning of watchmen with the original nite owl knocking out the mugger that was suppose to kill bruces parents
>>71205034
Jesus these DCucks are so triggered it's not even funny anymore
>>71206346
An edgelord would watch, because they exist to stick out from society. They need society to be edgy against.
Heath's Joker doesn't care - he's done it, it had a purpose, it's now over, and he's moving on.
>>71206442
Right? The first time he told a story i believed him and thought "eh". But then the second time i was like "oh this dude is bat shit crazy" and it hooked me even more.
The more he told these stories with details, the more you wonder where the details were coming from. I kind of thought the stories were stories of his victims but there's not much proof of that.
>>71206453
where's that from?
I can't pin point it in my brain
>>71206475
Yes, yes there was - good eye.
>>71206575
Did no one fucking noticed this guy was the joker? C'mon just look at him! There are two cops literally beside him that could have seen the scars, not to mention all the others...
>>71206654
It even fooled Tumblr
>>71206654
Remember that scene where bruce finds all those dudes tied up and blinded? Those were the people that were supposed to shoot the rifles.
>>71206575
The fact that his face was painted confirms to be that Ledger was a godawful Joker. His skin supposed to be bleached white by chemicals, like in the comics.
>>71203693
I want that sword. That guy is a badass.
>>71206547
Yeah, it's those quiet moments where the crazy really shines - real crazy never ever tries to act crazy, like an edgelord. It simply IS crazy.
To compare the heath and jared jokers again: edgelords love tattoos, they freak out the normies. But who the actual fuck carves a big happy smile onto their own fucking face?
>>71201643
Is that Meatloaf in the background?
>>71202019
of course he's fucking CIA
nobody's that good unless they're CIA
>>71206432
My friend thinks he got the scar from war but i thought it's too perfect.
Maybe he was tortured?
>>71206728
>like in the comics.
ideology like that is why there will never be peace in the middle east
>>71201906
The point of the Joker isn't that he's a force of nature or embodiment of chaos, it's that he's the opposite of Batman. They each had tragedies in their lives and they took two different ways to respond to them. If Joker doesn't have an origin (he does) then there's no point to his behavior.
>>71206924
Yup. J and B are opposites. Flip sides of the same coin, if you will. J wants to corrupt B to his side, even if it kills J in the process.
>>71206924
if he's the opposite of batman, than he shouldn't have a meaningful backstory or tragedy that motivates him.
>>71206392
I think so he was in like the honor guard or whatever doing the 21 gun salute
>>71207336
>Batman
>Tragedy happens to him
>Use his anger to create order
>Joker
>Tragedy happens to him
>Uses his anger to create chaos
POTTERY
does the league of shadows even exist outside of the nolan films?
who the fuck is raz al gul
>>71206691
that's good make-up desu
>>71207413
yes dude it does.
O'neil and Adams created Al Ghul
>>71206771
or military
>>71207496
If this movie was made today they would just use CGI for his scars
>>71207560
Any good modern tv/film with great make up? Hannibal comes to mind with Verger's face being cut off and the all practical effect for scaring and a lot of Chilton was practical, also the face off scene was visceral as fuck
>>71206475
well spotted.
>>71205034
>mfw
>>71207522
Based Kurt o'neil or based Richard o'neil?
>>71207848
Dennis O'Neil and Neel Adams
>>71207712
but then there's batman posters in the background. so was the bruce's parents?
>>71201906
>he hasn't read The Killing Joke
>Psst. Batman, I'm deep undercover. I'm CIA.
>>71203902
Why does film lore need to be so rational and logical? What if the Joker just was what he was on screen and nothing more?
>>71201643
mommy's gonna freek
>>71201643
The joker is batman's wife martha wayne.
After their son bruce was killed while they left a theater she went insane while thomas donned the batman identity acting as a vigilante.
>>71208501
killing joke is nothing to be proud of. it's definitely not that good
