Apologize. Now.
Not even memeing. A lot of naysayers honestly thought ep 7 would be better then any of the originals, including the prequels.
Well you fucked up. Hard.
Man up and give the guy his dues.
>>71185113
7 was better than the Prequels, that's how fucking bad he was, cause 7 was still shit.
I won't apologize.
While that may be true Episode 7 did make a shit ton of money.
>>71185113
no, fuck off.
>>71185113
go to bed George
>>71185113
The prequels were literally trash. Go stroke off to Anakin some more retard.
>Terrible aged CGI
>not nearly as inclusive of other races/genders >boring white male lead etc
>wooden acting
>stupid space politics
Yeah, kindly fuck off OP.
>>71185113
I wonder how he would've handled Luke's and Rey's relationship.
Fuck him for trying to force Illinois taxpayers to pay for his gay museum in Chicago despite having the finances to do it himself.
4 billion, fuk off now
>>71185113
but it was
TFA was a forgettable but solid popcorn flick.
The prequels were literally some of the most cringeworthy movies I've seen in my life.
Lucas's power was much more checked and dissociated in the OT.
>>71185701
>>71185374
>>71185202
>>71185169
>>71185140
>>71185131
If you like TFA but dislike any of the MCU shit you are literally a hypocrite. They are exactly the same.
>>71185763
>any
You're right in that both Star Wars and capeshit are popcorn flicks.
You're wrong in that there are competent popcorn flicks and incompetent ones. TFA was a better popcorn flick than many capeshit movies.
This isn't complicated, moron.
>>71185763
i don't dislike them, just think they're worse
>>71185763
Capekino > TFA > capeshit > prequels
>>71185887
/thread
>>71185887
>Ford
>Isaac
>the editing
Some of the best aspects of this movie are Jews. Also this isn't /pol/ so you haven't made any sort of argument.
Just because 7 was a predictable piece of shit doesn't make it worse than the disasters the prequels were.
>>71185113
Nah, the prequels are literally trash on every conceivable level; nothing more than a bunch of shit ideas executed badly. At least TFA was good for a laugh every now and then.
>>71185887
>/pol/ doesn't even pretend they're funposting tourist cancer
>>71185887
/thread
>>71185113
Star Wars was great despite George, not because of him. It was a happy accident born of the passion of everybody involved, much like LotR. 7, even missing a great part of that passion, was a very competent movie. The same can't be said for the movies in which George was given free reign. This board's praise for the prequels is due entirely to nostalgia and the fact that the flicks imprinted on them during their formative years, in the same way that kids 5 years from now will praise The Battle of the Five Armies.
>any of the originals, including the prequels
There are only three originals.
>>71185113
the prequels were awful but at least they were original. episode 7 felt like a carbon copy of a new hope and lacked any soul or unique elements. not kino. im sorry george
>>71185887
>2015
>2005
>ten years apart
poetry holy shit
>>71185887
There's literally nothing wrong with being Jewish.
>>71186075
>This board's praise for the prequels is due entirely to nostalgia
No it's because of contrarianism you stupid fuck
>>71185945
>>71186005
samefag
>>71186254
funny
>>71185945
>Also this isn't /pol/ so you haven't made any sort of argument.
And if you really think about it, Jews are pretty good at making movies.
>>71185763
Original Trilogy>TFA>dogshit>MCU>>>>Prequels
>>71185887
You can fuck off back to plebbit now, goym.
>>71186409
Nice try, disgusting mobile poster.
>>71185887
The fuck is the purpose of that website, do Jewish people only watch movies that are kosher enough?
You know, of all the forms of racism, I've honestly never really understood antisemitism.
>>71186763
Me neither. Always liked the Jewish sense of humor.
>>71186581
ESB was the best one.
>>71186265
Also contrarianism but a lot of the younger crowd was the "right age" when the prequels to be out for them to be nostalgic.
>>71186763
Logistics combined with retardation.
Jews are a diasporic minority group, so they exist everywhere and in small numbers. Easy for a mass audience to hate.
>>71185211
Would it have killed Mark to get in shape
God, sitting on your ass all day voice acting for 30 years must be hell on your body
>>71186789
Honestly, at this point, I'm hard pressed to actually even consider it a racist belief. It seems so much more like just a collection of conspiracy theories, which is what's really weird about it. It's kind of hilarious because all of that Jews control this/that are the same thing as black people insisting that they're being held down by whites -- a sort of backwards admission of inferiority.
>>71185763
the MCU is fine.
>>71186763
>>71186789
different types of Christian/Muslim/whatever used to murder each other. there's no limit to this stuff, it's basic tribalism resulting from how human beings evolved in much smaller groups.
>>71186915
>used to
I get that, but it's more the shape of this one kind of tribalism is different.
Jews are de facto stand ins to oligarchies. That's literally the basis of antisemitism. It's not "you believe in a different god", "you believe in my god but wrong", "you make all kinds of horrible crime", it's "you're good at business".
>>71186119
>this turd is coiled into an original pattern I must praise it
>>71186119
>C3PO shoved in for no reason
>R2D2 back for no reason
>dude Jango Fett is also a bounty hunter lmao
>Clones are a ripoff of storm troopers
>dude Baby Boba Fett lmao
>Republic ships are a ripoff of Imperial Star destroyers
>Naboo is earth
>Death Star plans in Attack of the Clones
>All Jedi wear Tatooine farmer robes
>Corisant is a ripoff of the city from Blade Runner
>dude Genonisis is Tatooine with rocks lmao
>dude Kamino is just Cloud City with water instead of clouds lmao
>original
>>71187022
>That's literally the basis of antisemitism.
I think it's more the thing about them killing Jesus.
>>71185763
I believe the opposite some MCU are good, some shit, but TFA is in the middle a lackluster soulless movie.
>>71186763
I donct know about elsewhere but here on 4chan there are quite a few mudslime parading as WN.
Robot activation on TV when?
>>71187116
>Corisant
Are you extremely retarded?
>>71187022
it's a result of Jewish oppression that the stereotype of them being rich arose:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury
>As the Jews were ostracized from most professions by local rulers, the Western churches and the guilds, they were pushed into marginal occupations considered socially inferior, such as tax and rent collecting and moneylending. Natural tensions between creditors and debtors were added to social, political, religious, and economic strains.[citation needed]
>...financial oppression of Jews tended to occur in areas where they were most disliked, and if Jews reacted by concentrating on moneylending to non-Jews, the unpopularity—and so, of course, the pressure—would increase. Thus the Jews became an element in a vicious circle. The Christians, on the basis of the Biblical rulings, condemned interest-taking absolutely, and from 1179 those who practiced it were excommunicated. Catholic autocrats frequently imposed the harshest financial burdens on the Jews. The Jews reacted by engaging in the one business where Christian laws actually discriminated in their favor, and became identified with the hated trade of moneylending.[28]
TL; DR human beings are galloping asshats.
The prequels were still shit tier no matter how bland ep 7 was
>>71185887
oscar isaac is not jewish, just 'hollywood jewish'
>oh yeah i'm part jew from my great great grandfather side, will you give the part?
>>71187253
that was Jewish enough for Hitler
>>71187213
Why don't the jews just fucking leave the places where they don't fucking belong?
>>71185140
Pure kino.
What video game is this from?
![leviathan-002[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/X7KffnT.jpg "leviathan-002[2].jpg")
>>71187169
>>71185763
>>71186910
>>71185899
Name a single Marvel movie that is actually great and worth watching.
You can't, they are all kiddie trash.
>>71185887
>TFA haters are so desperate to make the movie seem bad they've resorted to becoming /pol/tards
Fucking sad. Is this the hill you wanna die on?
>>71187486
The proof is in the pudding they belong in the US at least, given how much success it has given them.
The irony of /pol/ kiddies shitposting about "belonging" on forums outside /pol/ is hilarious.
>>71185763
Nah, I like most of the MCU, but was pretty indifferent to Episode 7. Mostly I just didn't like the characters and they went to the nostalgia well too many times.
>>71185887
Hey, I dislike jews as much as the next guy, but come on, that isn't an argument. If you want to argue the quality of something, you have to make a qualitative argument about the content of the film, not just point to the fact that some of the people who made it happen to come from a shitty group of people.
>>71185113
it was better than the prequels so no
4 > 2 > 3 > shit > 1 > 6 > 5 > 7
Also 4 - 5 - 2 - 3 - 6 is the best order for watching the films
>>71187660
name a single movie worth watching.
you can't. It's all trash.see? I can do it too ;^)
>>71187660
guardians of the galaxy
>>71188018
false
>>71188068
>>>>/v/ you crossposting faggot
>>71188068
7 is legitamately unwatchable
The main characters are the worst part of the flick
there is no actual villain except for the screenwriters
It was better than the prequels in every possible way.
>>71188125
I didn't enjoy 7 but "unwatchable"? I don't think so. It was much more than watchable than the prequels, those are much more unwatchable than 7.
>>71188068
>having this generic taste
I bet you think citizen kane is overrated and that saving private ryan is good
>>71188146
Other than characters, villains, story, fights, and originality you're right.
The modern cg was certainly better to look at than the early 2000s cg, you got me there.
>>71188068
I thought that episode 6 was better than 4 but that's an okay list
>>71188193
Not when you watch for the story and characters and not special effects.
It had characters as bad as jar jar as the main fucking characters.
>>71188202
>having opinions solely because they're unique
found the tumblr user.
>>71188212
>Other than characters, villains, story, fights, and originality you're right.
the characters and villains were fucking garbage m8
>>71185140
muh cgi
>>71188125
>one of the highest grossing movies of all time
>unwatchable
Fuck off
>>71188202
Citizen Kane and SPR are great.
>>71188258
pic related
>>71188255
So you agree with me but have poor reading comprehension. That's ok.
>>71188212
>Other than characters, villains, story, fights, and originality you're right.
I hate star wars (no I'm not in this thread, just saw this bit of idiocy scrolling by), so as someone without a horse in this race, let me tell you that the prequels were fuckawful in every way imaginable. There's nothing defensible about any of them. They were the height of incompetency in movie making.
At the very, very least 7 was competently done.
The prequels swang for the fences and missed every time. TFA bunted and made it to first base, but everyone treats it like a home run because the last better never even had a hit.
>>71188298
I was talking about the prequels shit for brains
>>71188277
Justin beiber sells a lot of albums, go listen to them.
>>71187660
the winter soldier
>>71188302
pretty accurate
>>71188235
Nah, that's just hyperbolic. I didn't like all the new characters but they didn't invoke the raw hate Jar Jar did.
Maybe it's just after so long I don't care as much. I loved the originals, hated the prequels but I can bring nothing but indifference to Episode 7.
will we ever find out what George's idea for episode 7 was?
>>71188302
that doesn't make the prequels better
also, the prequels were lazy garbage
>>71188336
>popular things are bad
one day you're gonna turn 18 and regret spending the last 5 years of your life pretending to be so cynical
star wars 7 was a fine movie. the prequels just weren't very fun to watch and didnt make a whole lot of sense because george wrote them on a legal pad in a week.
>>71185113
Good job triggering the cucks, comrade.
The entire panning of prequels is purely a product of "le funny people" on the Internet. Even Roger Motherfucking Ebert admitted that Episode III is one of the best sci-fi fantasy films of all time. But, noooope, the Angry RedditLetter Nostalgia Critic sure knows better, eh? Look at him swearing and making funny faces!
>>71185113
>>71185131
>>71185763
>>71185887
>>71185954
>>71186119
>>71188018
>>71188125
>resorting to contrarianism to justify your rabid hatred of anything new
>>71188472
>Roger Motherfucking Ebert
who?
>>71188428
>imagine being daisy...
>>71188302
>Star Wars fans whose standards are "Every new Star Wars movie has to be as good as Empire Strikes Back"
>>71188302
JJ tried harder than George ever did sans 1977 SW.
>>71188212
>characters
The prequels' characters were as banal as possible. Lucas cannot write characters. Even in Star Wars he couldn't. It was Kasdan who brought some heart to the universe, and he put (some of) it back after Lucas stripped it completely for the prequels.
>villains
Other than Sheev, who is interesting only because he appears in the original films, the prequels have no good or even decent villains. Kylo Ren, on the other hand, is the most compelling antagonist since Vader. The prequels villains look rad and sell toys good, so if that's up your alley I can understand.
>story
Not even going to respond to this desu.
>fights
I do actually agree with this (even though TFA's fight choreography is infinitely better) simply because of the fights' music. Williams was on top of his game during the prequels.
>originality
You can suck a dick in an original way but that doesn't mean it's not gay.
tldr suck a dick
>>71188472
when will cucks realize that an origin of a criticism is irrelevant?
>>71188302
>ROGER ROGER
>Dexter Jexster
>WEESA GOIN HOME
>Swinging for the fences
>>71188212
the Villians in the prequels sucked ass
V > III > IV > VI > I > VII > II
>>71188302
what a swing it was…
>>71188301
>teethette
>grew up alone by finding scrap
>is very personable instead of being autistic like she should be
>isn't a survivalist and doesn't sell the droud because muh feelings
>wears clothes that look brand fucking new but can't afford space cornbread
>knows thigs about a ship that isn't hers (baby vader worked for a fucking mechanic scrap shop and fixed shit for him)
>lmao, I even know what switches do what on this cargo ship I've never been on, scrapping walker taught me lol
>entire character is "lmao I go for it and everybody loves me"
>touches a lightsaber and trips out then runs into the forrest on a planet she knows nothing about where god knows what alien monsters might kill her
>her trip is immediately lived out within 40 seconds of having it, wow what foreshadowing, what suspense
>boogaloo
>raised as a child soilder
>acts like the nerd from neds declassified and goes full black tv nerd
>acts like icarly
>is the trash man on death planet but then gets sent to front lines in a special forces manhunt lead by the fucking sith lord
>is this movies jar jar
TRAITOR
EEEVE BOI PAZED THE COMPREZZA
THE OSSOLATOR OS OZZALATING ME LORD
LMAO GINGER HITLER
>Ren
>absolutely no motivation for any hate at all
>trained with luke but abaolutely incompetent with his cousin teethette
>force pushes boogaloo no problem
>loses the fight
So we have no villain and two main characters that make no sense in their backstories or action rehashed into an even lazier flick than jurrassic world.
It was fucking dogshit. I'd rather watch teen vaders bad acting than that shit because at least his angst lord character actually makes sense.
>>71185113
>A lot of naysayers honestly thought ep 7 would be better then any of the originals, including the prequels.
I didn't think it would be better than the originals. I hoped it would be better than the prequels though.
Thankfully it WAS better than the prequels. But I was right about it not being better than the originals.
>>71188428
I kind of do wish we got to see it. Star Wars tends to be at its best when it works from an idea by George Lucas, but handled by more capable individuals.
>>71188613
lucas should have made that scene longer
>>71188544
>>71188604
>>71188653
It means taking risks. Risks were taken and they failed. JJ and Disney both played it safe and stuck to familiar nostalgiac things. The phrase fits perfectly.
>>71188672
>acts like iCarly
your entire post is invalid.
>>71188722
footfag pls
>>71185113
Just because 7 wasn't good doesn't mean 1, 2, and 3 were somehow better. They were still shit.
>>71188707
The prequels didn't take many risks
see>>71187116
>>71188472
>Even Roger Motherfucking Ebert
"Even" the most pop-culturally relevant movie critic? The guy who gave A Clockwork Orange and The Thing a failing grade? That's who you bring up for credibility on the matter of sci-fi and fantasy?
>>71188613
>darth maul
>fucking demon that can fight two jedi at once
>literally dracula in sith lord form
>four armed alien cyborg monster
>darth sidius who faught with politics and played everyone easily
>darth vader
Which one exactly?
>>71187116
The clones literally are the storm troopers, are you retarded?
>>71188785
This board gives better films than Clockwork and Thing failing grades.
Fuck off retard.
>>71188785
Just use the tripcode, Armand.
>>71187116
>>Clones are a ripoff of storm troopers
This is bait, my friends.
>>71188827
>darth maul
a cardboard cut out, not a real character. He's a video game boss.
>literally dracula in sith lord form
Lee was shit, and so was his writing.
>four armed alien cyborg monster
CGI video game boss found his way into a movie.
>darth sidius who faught with politics and played everyone easily
Gave a fun performance, his plan made no logical sense though, even worse than Loki and the bad guy from Skyfall.
>darth vader
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>71188872
I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
>>71188915
I am someone else. desu I like Ebert very much and dislike RLM reviewers but I can admit when the former missteps.
>>71188967
>the cgi was bad
This is pretty much your only valid complaint.
You can't defend Ren as a villain, because he simply isn't one.
>>71188943
>>71188855
They are ripoffs, it could of been something original, the OT didn't specify what clones were, but then they became rehashes of Stormtroopers.
>>71188707
>JJ and Disney both played it safe
>first female lead in a Star Wars film
Hating things just for the sake of hating things is a strong signal that you have become a retard.
>>71188967
>Lee was shit
I agree with the rest of your post 100% but them's fighting words you fucking faggot.
>>71189016
>You can't defend Ren as a villain, because he simply isn't one.
Elaborate on this opinion without using the terms "whiny" (or variations thereof) and "Mary Sue."
>>71185113
george was a fellow autist who meant well
prequels:
>bad to okay movies that tried to tell different, completely new stories
>amazing soundtrack for every single one of them
>GOAT world building, made a fuckton of stuff possible (clone wars, vidya, books, etc.)
and the fucking films could've been significantly better given proper dialogue and a lesser emphasis on special effects
but let's be honest, george was right about the latter, see avatar
based jim just took the concept, executed it better and slapped a gimmick on it
meanwhile, mouse wars:
>a mediocre, soulless reharsh
>killed the mostly awful EU and replaced it with nothing
>vidya in EA's hands
the sole good thing about selling the ip was Hamill unjusting himself
>>71188428
i'd like to know
>>71189016
Ren actually had motivations that weren't "lol I'm E.V.I.L.!"
If you can't see them, they you can't read characters.
>>71186763
Hypocrisy.
Jews say one thing and push agendas for others, but fervently do not practice what they preach. If they are criticized, antisemite is the first word out of their mouth and they consistently skate around their own practices to highlight the practices of others. If a Jewish man/woman is accused of a crime or found guilty, then they immediately pinpoint blame to whomever else to explain the reasoning.
This isn't even /pol/ tier logic or rhetoric, either. Many publications, Jewish owned and non-Jewish owned alike, have pointed out this hypocrisy. The Economist has published editorials/articles on Israeli/Jewish racism against Africans/Palestinians, the NYTimes have discussed the rampant fraud and/scheming of Hasidic Jews in certain communities, the Post and a few other news sources have commented on Netanyahu's rhetoric borders on outright racism, and many journalists continue to question/write articles on ridiculous shit they see in and outside of Israel.
Just recently, the Knesset passed a bill outlawing non-Jews from marrying Jews in the fucking country. Jews also have to rigorously "prove" they're Jewish if they migrate there. Documents, blood testing sometimes, etc.
This is plain as day and discussed. Even other Jews discuss it.
>>71189051
They literally became stormtroopers when the Republic became the Empire. You must legitimately be a retard. I don't think you understand what prequel means. The fact that they were a sleeper plant by the Emperor and the droids were just a false flag was a major plot point.
>>71189075
>mouse wars
confirmation bias detected.
predisposition to hate Disney = invalid opinion.
>>71189075
how many memes can you fit into one post man
>>71189063
Thinking people must hate something you like just for the sake of hating might also be a symbol that you've become a retard. The whole movie just felt like a production line assembled product that I've seen a hundred times before.
It's good that you can be thrilled by the same old shit just because its Star Wars®, but some people have higher standards.
>>71189118
But you don't understand, it was a horribly stupid plot point and an awful backstory and explanation to ST.
A P O L O G I Z E
>>71189144
>The whole movie just felt like a production line assembled product that I've seen a hundred times before.
So you're saying it was Star Wars.
>ywn go back to the days before the prequels
>>71185140
Why do the robots need to communicate verbally if they're robots?
Why does the cam shake in a 100% CGI scene?
>>71188827
You said nothing about the first three except for what they look like. Because they have no character. Two of them even get killed in the same movie they're introduced in, instead of giving them room to grow.
Meh. I didn't like TFA. A movie is either worth a watch or isn't for me, and it wasn't for me. Glad I didn't see it in theaters.
>>71189189
he really fucking should.
https://youtu.be/2jzZOgLH4KU
>>71189073
Number one
He isn't evil nor does he have any motivation to be on the dark side considering he was trained by Luke.
Number two
He has absolutely no mystique or presance. No one is afraid of him at all. He lost in the first saber fight he was in. He's a joke.
Number three
He's a failure in every way. He couldn't capture the pilot. He couldn't find the droid. He couldn't interogate. He couldn't fight. He couldn't keep calm.
He is a worse villain than any of the prequels. Darth Maul managed to kill a jedi. Darth Vader managed to kill a jedi. Grevis managed to kill many jedi. Ren couldn't even manage to fight a completely untrained small girl and win even though he magically imobilized her like 25 minutes earlier- which totally makes sense btw.
>>71189144
I would love to hear what you would have done to make Episode 7 better and more original. Since in your mind Ep 7 was unoriginal, it really should not be hard for you at all to come up with something better, but I doubt you would ever try, its just much easier for you to criticize and argue with people who dont agree with you.
>>71189083
Lmao, I wanna be strog and Luke isn't good enuff
why am I not strog? waaaahh
Why do I suck at everything and not look like either my mom or dad?
>>71189112
For example: Why is Israel receiving massive amounts of aid from the US? Why are many Senators linked to the Israel lobby? Why are these things not discussed or questioned? What about the Israeli journalist who wrote an article about genocide against the Palestinians? He received a slap on the wrist.
I asked these questions during class and there was almost a revolt. Surprisingly, the professor (who is a modern reformist) agreed and asked those same questions himself and continues to do so. Academia, as a whole, has been spooked into criticizing any protected group or discussing them in depth.
>>71189299
>No one is afraid of him at all. He lost in the first saber fight he was in. He's a joke.
>He's a failure in every way. He couldn't capture the pilot. He couldn't find the droid. He couldn't interogate. He couldn't fight. He couldn't keep calm.
literally the fucking point.
just because Maul killed someone doesn't make his writing (or lack thereof) better than Ren (who actually had though put into him rather than only his design)
>>71189170
Axcording to who? It literally explained how the empire was formed. Literally. How exactly did you want the storm troopers to be formed?
Trained by some kind of master killer maybe? Perhaps it would be cool if they were bred for war? Oh, wait, that's what happened.
>>71185887
>a movie made by Disney is 53% Jewish
Gee I wonder how that happened?
I'm a Jew, and tfa was the worst piece of shit I have ever seen. Actually, scratch that. dawn of the planet of the apes is worse. Tfa is so bad it doesn't even win my Worst Movie Ever award.
>>71189336
you can post like that for any Villian.
>>71189224
That's because they're pawns and not the real main villain, mi amigo.
>>71189385
To people who think about the movie instead of just watching it like a mindless pleb.
>>71189399
nice blog faggot.
>>71185140
what game is this?
>>71189372
The only thing that will save the next movie is this, amigo.
>>71189396
>Mulan, Beauty & the Beast, Hunchback of Notre Dame, New Groove, Hercules, Pocahantus, Tarzan
>bad
What's the point of this image?
>>71189542
muh Jewish boogeyman
>>71189542
>>71189551
Nice try Merchant
>>71187116
>>Clones are a ripoff of storm troopers
>Republic ships are a ripoff of Imperial Star destroyers
this can't be a real post...I can't accept something this retarded
>>71189112
A group of people looks out for its own interests?
I mean literally it sounds like you're upset here because they are better at it than you are. You're literally being like women who want to get into a men's club.
>>71185113
He gets points for originality but has the same amount deducted for poor execution.
>>71189632
people that argue everything in the prequels is original are retarded.
>>71189465
How did you want the storm troopers to be explained.
Please, tell me.
>>71185113
I knew ep 7 wouldnt be nesrly as good as ep III but I didn't expect it to approach ep 1 levels of terribad
Say what you will about the prequels but at least they had originally and cool world building
>>71189684
It's not about what I want, it's about giving a backstory that wasn't completely retarded.
>>71189678
You can't even explain how you would have liked it written. It literally explained the empire, vader, storm troopers, the emperor, the fall of the jedi. It completely set up 4.
And you're sitting there like: "why is there a coherent flow between the two? what the fuck, this shouldn't have made sense, they should have been completely disconnected and not been prequels!"
>>71188487
>calling TFA 'new'
>>71189748
How would you have written it into a coherent story, I've already written how they can save the new shitty series here >>71189502
>>71189299
The quality of a villain is not determined by his accomplishments but by how well he functions as a foil to the hero. It doesn't matter that Maul and the robot killed Jedi. It doesn't matter that Kylo didn't. What matters is that he a) contrasts Rey: his rage, her equanimity, etc, and b) exists at the center of the conflict, which he does.
>He isn't evil nor does he have any motivation to be on the dark side considering he was trained by Luke.
That he isn't "evil" is a good thing. Villains who are evil are incredibly boring. Even Vader wasn't evil after the first film. His motivation is a deep insecurity caused by an absent father and a lust for power driven by his grandfather Vader the thought of whom gave him comfort where his own living father didn't. Luke's training him has nothing to do with it. Luke isn't exactly squeaky-clean himself.
>He has absolutely no mystique or presance. No one is afraid of him at all. He lost in the first saber fight he was in. He's a joke.
The first sentence is an opinion with which I disagree. The others are kind of the point of his character. He's a kid playing at evil.
>He's a failure in every way. He couldn't capture the pilot. He couldn't find the droid. He couldn't interogate. He couldn't fight. He couldn't keep calm.
A villain whose driving motivation is his being a failure in every conceivable way turns out to be a failure in every conceivable way. This is that pottery you kids like so much.
Would you have preferred another one-dimensional caricature like Darth Maul, or another staggering 8-foot tall deep-voiced general like Vader? It's very strange to me that the #1 complaint about TFA seems to be its lack of originality and its #2 complaint is its having a completely original and non-traditional villain.
>>71189749
I don't write fan-fiction.
>>71189773
that post is bait though
>>71189652
Wrong again Reddit
>>71185140
No, fuck off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7ZW1gtCljs
>>71189807
I'll tell you exactly how. Involve a lower master to the giant cg zombie who is actually good at his job to play the real villain while kylo falters. I don't even doslike his character, that's why I wrote him as the main character of the next movie. What I dislike is the lack of any conflict that feels larger than life. Even the ginger nazi genral is a child. There is nothing omonous about any of the bad guys. Giant zombie was boring as fuck and looked like the orc from the hobbit movies. All I'm asking for is someone who is actually scary. Maul may have been one dimentional but he was at least scary.
5 > 4 > 6 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 7
Not even kidding. 7 sucks dick. Even aotc has goat tier soundtrack.
8 will be pretty good tho
>>71189815
lmao, that's what I thought. You have no creativity whatsoever.
>A lot of naysayers honestly thought ep 7 would be better then any of the originals
Nobody who wasn't completely fucking retarded thought this.
>>71185763
What if I like TFA, and watch every MCU flick, but am an avid fan of Tarkovskino?
>>71189986
back to Wookiepedia with you.
>>71190034
lol, stick to your call center job and consumption exclusive hobbies
>>71185113
are we STILL making these threads? it's been 6 fucking months! enough! fuck off!
>>71189641
It's not about looking out for your own group's own interests. It's generally about being hypocritical in your own philosophy.
>Do not be racist, but I myself am racist.
>Do not practice fraudulence, but I myself am fraudulent.
>Do not do X, Y or Z, but I shall implement X, Y and Z for myself.
It's just bullshit. Some of it is just ethically/morally ambiguous at best, terrible at worst. It has been documented, for example, that they were responsible for injecting African women with BC for population control reasons without their consent/knowledge. That's Tuskegee airmen tier racism at work and it was barely discussed. Israel has held rallies, calling their immigrant population the equivalent of niggers and being disparaging toward them. Where is the immense global criticism or discussion? I won't even comment on their treatment of Palestinians which ranges from rightful defense to outright terrorism. As I've said before: This isn't pol-tier. People wrote articles about Jewish hypocrisy before /pol/, and they'll write about it after /pol/. It just gains no traction.
They're not criticized. Period.
As far as a group sticking together? The Irish generally stick together and lookout for themselves. The Italians, the Asians, the foreign Blacks, etc. They're not actively engaging in immense hypocrisy like the Jews are. Moreover, if they're caught doing Illegal shit, they are 100% lambasted and punished. I cannot say the same for Jews.
>>71190032
Kys tarkovsky is worstkino and mcu is utter garbage and tfa is pisspoor
>>71189194
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Talk about whooosh. Jesus. Summer, you need to stahp.
>>71189964
I feel the same way. I'm all for 8 and a deviation from the typical story and plot, however if it draws as many similarities to 5 as 7 did to 4, then it will suck.
>>71189947
>>71189954
It's too late to introduce a new villain. The direction I think they're going, and the one which would make sense, would be to redeem Kylo and have Rey fall, and then end the story with Kylo's sacrifice and Rey's redemption. I don't think they're going to go the larger-than-life-villain route this time. The nazi is pathetic, Snoke is boring as fuck, Kylo has been established as thoroughly non-threatening, and a new villain would just be really awkward at this point. Then again Looper had one of the most awkward screenplays ever so it's entirely possible that Rian Johnson will introduce a new bad guy.
>Maul may have been one dimentional but he was at least scary.
He was only scary because we were young. He is a cartoon.
No one in this entire thread has been able to come up with actual proper, reasonable well argued intelligent and logical criticism of George Lucas
Lucas is a misunderstood genius, and now you're paying the price, enjoy your shitty unimaginative rehashes
>>71190387
t. illiterate who hasn't read a single post in the thread
>>71189807
>original and non-traditional villain
What in the actual fuck?
Anon, Ren is a whining, self-centered, undisciplined, reactionary, angry thug.
EXACTLY like EVERY schoolyard bully ever.
So sorry, but that ain't original. No no.
>>71190143
>tarkovsky is worstkino
Who told you this? Some tripfag? Face it, the only reason you think mcu is utter garbage is because you have no friends.
>>71190387
Why bother. we have thousands of online videos (RLM's included) panning just about everything Lucas has done to star wars. Doesn't need to be restated. Disney is whole other level of retarded cash grabbery though.
>>71190442
In the context of a space adventure and Star Wars specifically it's pretty damn original.
>>71190345
Would it have killed them to have some middle aged actors?
Ralph Finnes would have been an excellent nazi charactaure rather than babbyface gleeson
Viggo would have been a good master to Ren
God, TFA was just so awful. So incredibly awful. I'm fine with a cartoon villain considering this is star wars. But for fucks sake HAVE a villain.
>>71189912
That's an example of the 'ring' structure Lucas tried to inject into his series - you can't use a deliberate call-back of one action in one shot as an example of unoriginality in plot. Moron.
I have the same kind of glasses
apologize now
>>71190443
top kek mate. Stay in school
>>71190569
Star wars is for the teen girl market now. We can't be having that kind of masculinity. It would only turn off the female viewers because dirty old men are disgusting rape machines and Rey is a pure heroine.
>>71190569
>ralph fiennes
He only does high quality arts
>>71185113
People defending the prequels is some of the most hilarious trolling I've ever seen. Is just want to show my appreciatikn. Keep up the good work, guys ;)
>>71190569
God damn he has good hair for 57
>>71190500
If by 'original' you mean 'wasn't done before because it would be soo unoriginal and bad the audience will laugh', then, YES.
>>71187116
>C3P0 shoved in for no reason with a red arm that isn't explained
>R2D2 useless for essentially the entire movie and just there to pander
>dude Luke's lightsaber that fell into a fucking gas giant is in some random alien's basement lmao
>"The New Order" is a ripoff of Empire
>dude Death Star but BIGGER lmao
>Resistance ships are a ripoff of old Republic ships
>Republic also doesn't seem to have an army or any kind of military presence so the Rebels are back
>Jakku is Tattooine
>dude Death Star trench run lmao
>Kylo Ren is LITERALLY trying to be a ripoff of Darth Vader
>Takonada is a ripoff of Endor
>dude Maz Katana is Yoda with glasses lmao
>dude Poe is just Han Solo but a fighter pilot lmao
>ORIGINAL
>>71190673
JJ you should have just stuck to star trek
>>71190569
>I'm fine with a cartoon villain considering this is star wars
No, man. Star Wars does not imply shitty villains. Episode IV is the only good Star Wars film with a cartoon villain, and it only worked because the movie was structurally flawless. The prequels tried to recreate that but failed miserably. Even a story as simply as Star Wars needs believable characters or it gets very old very quickly. Snoke is exactly the type of villain you seem to want and he was terrible.
Viggo in Star Wars would be literally the best thing ever though. On that point we agree.
>>71190673
0/10
You didn't even try.
>>71190776
Snoke looks like the orc from the hobbit. Maul actually looked cool.
>>71190776
Not that guy, but I'm not even sure why Snoke is even around in this movie. He provides nothing. There's a reason why the Emperor isn't present in IV. Because Vader can stand on his own. I think Kylo could have stood on his own too, but he isn't given enough time to really become his own character. I actually want to learn more about Kylo and I could give 2 shits about Snoke.
>>71185140
>move all quadrants to sector 515
what did he mean by this?
>>71190749
>>71190809
I know what you are doing, and I still get my panties in a knot. Jimmies rustled the like off which not even god have seen ;_;7
>>71190895
I agree completely. I do love TFA but it feels very rough and almost rushed. A lot of things seem to be thrown in just for the sake of it. I know JJ Kasdan and Arndt went through a lot of rewrites so they probably just couldn't keep a critical view towards the script and it ended up bloated.
>>71191009
TRAITOR!!!
All star wars are shit: originals, prequels, remake. Whatever.
>>71185899
Capekino >>>>>> TFA >>>>>>>> capeshit > prequels
ftfy
>>71185113
I am sorry
>>71190743
I can feel your butthurt.
>>71191063
>watching superhero shit
>>71191063
Thank Carl Sagan for Zack Syder. A beacon of hope in these dark times.
>>71190743
>C3P0 shoved in for no reason with a red arm that isn't explained
It was.
>R2D2 useless for essentially the entire movie and just there to pander
Without him, Luke wouldn't be found.
>dude Luke's lightsaber that fell into a fucking gas giant is in some random alien's basement lmao
wait for the sequels.
>"The New Order" is a ripoff of Empire
No, it's leftovers.
>dude Death Star but BIGGER lmao
webm related
>Resistance ships are a ripoff of old Republic ships
Leftovers.
>Republic also doesn't seem to have an army or any kind of military presence so the Rebels are back
and? that's the point.
>Jakku is Tattooine
yeah.
>dude Death Star trench run lmao
webm related.
>Kylo Ren is LITERALLY trying to be a ripoff of Darth Vader
nope.
>Takonada is a ripoff of Endor
nope.
>dude Maz Katana is Yoda with glasses lmao
nope.
>dude Poe is just Han Solo but a fighter pilot lmao
nope.
>ORIGINAL
I wonder how many revamps it will take for TFA defenders to realize it's just a bad revamp. Maybe in 20 years or so when Star Wars is revamped again they will like that too.
>>71191333
TRAITOR!
>>71191043
HE... IS THE TRAITOR AAAAHH!
>>71191385
when star wars gets revamped in 20 years with the same story and different characters I'm sure it'll receive praise from it's generation of fans as well.
>>71185887
welp it's official
I'm a #hitlerspindler now
>>71191435
Star Wars was always based on the classic Hero's journey.
>>71190290
That's actually a really good photoshop job
>>71185113
The Man Who BTFO'd The Jews...
Hated by ugly babymen of the interwebz.
>>71191513
No. Star Wars from TFA onwards are based on the classic Star Wars, not the classic hero's journey.
>>71189964
I would put 1>3, but it's a small difference, and I agree with you otherwise
>>71185113
He should apologize first.
>>71191333
What makes TFA a "bad" revamp? I am not sure which film school you went to but my understanding was that universal acclaim is not really indicative of a "bad" revamp.
>>71191657
I have always like three more. I like the bearlets and the first one is cool in more of a western style way but less so in the payoff.
>>71191712
You honestly think that modern reviews are legitamate and not brought to you in part by (tm)
>>71191741
TFA, a great film, was universally praised. Avengers 2, a shitty film, was universally panned. Both were brought to you in part by the same tm you MRA neo-nazi.
>>71191712
The acting, characters, plot, story. The film will be forgotten. Neither praised like the OT or living in infamy as the prequels. Tell me this. Why bother to revamp something if it can't live up to the original other than to make the most money possible?
>>71191816
Star wars is like gm to disney
too big to fail, just right to bail out
it was dogshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0rkntJgkQ4
>>71191849
The acting and characters were arguably even better than Episode IV. Yes, the film will be forgotten. Most films are. The prequels certainly have been, at least outside /tv/. Just because it's not as good as the movie upon which it was based (which is literally one of the best movies in cinema history) doesn't make it bad.
>Why bother to revamp something if it can't live up to the original
Golly, anon, I'm not sure. Maybe to bring the most popular film franchise to a new generation of fans? It's been almost 40 years, man. Literally no-one in this thread experienced Star Wars in its prime. A remake is very much welcome.
>>71192015
>prequels forgotten
Yeah.. that's why everyone likes to shit on them if ST is talked about, everyone remembers Darth Maul, Liam Nessons only death, pod racing, etc etc
>>71192015
You can create stories and adventures in the same universe to bring new fans in without a remake/revamp, and that's all this is. The prequels did it, and while shitty movies did a much better job. So I'll ask again. What's the point of a revamp if it is worse than the source material, other than to make the easy bux?
>>71190960
He meant it'll take 12 parsecs to make the Kessel Run. Twit.
>>71192158
memorable, but in a bad way.
nothing to be proud of.
>>71192297
well TFA isn't memorable in any way
so literally nothing.
>>71185140
>most aiming from the hip
>one or two firing "properly"
>>71192158
No one talks about the prequels outside of /tv/ desu. Even RotS, which achieves, at times, legitimate greatness, is unmemorable.
The prequels do have hella memes, though. That's probably why they're so relevant here.
>>71192173
>What's the point of a revamp if it is worse than the source material
To recreate even if in a small part the magic of Star Wars. To have little kids go wide-eyed to the premiere. To make a new generation pine for adventure, cry for the fallen mentor, and cheer at the lightsaber battles. This is not high art, man, this is Star Wars, and I say this as the biggest SW fan in this thread. There is nothing at all wrong with a competent remake of Star Wars.
>>71192297
I rewatched all the ST movies in one sitting after being repulsed by TFA, they are all way better then that piece of shit. TFA isn't even a star wars movie, its a high budget youtube video written by a fan fiction quality writer.
PT has a lot of flaws, no doubt, but it still has world building and imagination, which is what makes Star Wars, Star Wars.
>>71185113
I wasn't one of those, but I did shit on him a lot after TPM. I'm sorry, Lucas. Please forgive us, then buy back your IP and we will all pretend the last couple of years didn't happen.
>>71185136
It would have made money even if it was just a guy eating a bowl of shit for two hours. Probably would have made more, actually.
>>71192556
Of course there is nothing wrong with it, but as a child, if they just remade the OT, but worse instead of adding on to the universe like they did with the prequels then I wouldn't like Star Wars nearly as much. As you said, star wars is for children, and children want new adventures, not retellings of their grandad's fiction. It's better to at least try and create something new instead of just revamping the series, throwing in some old faces for the OT lovers and calling it a day. And no episode VII isn't a new story. Even people who like the movie admit it biggybacks and is a revamp.
>>71192396
for you.
>>71192607
that's subjective. embarrassing yourself like Lucas isn't better.
>>71192797
>for you
oh cool memes.
>>71192607
VII is more Star Wars than the prequels.
Don't try to argue otherwise.
