If you just hate it because of the sake of being a contrarian faggot please do the world a favor and kill yourself right now. I'll wait.
>>71089691
lol
>>71089691
Back to your containment thread sperg. What made you think your compulsive spouting about a shitty show deserved its own thread?
>>71089691
agreed
>battle "modelled after cannae"
>nothing like cannae at all
>strange hoplite farmers with 8 foot tall shields with unbreakable morale and ability to push back entire army with just 2 ranks
It really wasn't, the best episode for me was Sam's homecoming ep.
Best season will always be the first one, nothing is topping that.
GoT has become all about the EPICNESS and OMGSHOCKVALUE, at this point I have become desensitized from it.
>>71089691
Remind me again, which part of this very expensive episode was surprising or unpredictable?
>>71089691
>sjw calling someone else a faggot
kek
It was a pretty good episode but still just not as good as it could have been. We didn't need 5 minutes of Jon Snow nearly being trampled to death for a start.
still waiting for an apology /tv/
WHY
>>71093746
you try telling a giant what to wear in battle
>>71089691
Arguably the best medieval war scene shot for film/tv.
This episode just shocked the world. Of course some faggots will act like they hated it.
>>71090367
Same here. I dont feel anything any longer either. It's a bit of shame too, since GRRM was one of these writers who wanted to marginalize himself from the done-to-death epic good vs evil battles of regular fantasy. Now it's back into the fold for the series, and it's not even done right
>>71089691
le magic teleporting vale army saves the day, so epic!!! XDD
jon-sama so skilled, he avoid all arrow, what a hero!
11/10 best episode ever, cant wait for all of it to be released on bluray ^^
>>71093810
You think he'd really need that much convincing ? "Hey win win, don't wanna die? Try this stuff I went to the effort of making just for you"
I think Hed fucking take it unless he's retarded as you
>>71094025
Seriously how the fuckdid Ramsey not know the vale forces passed through Mote Cailin? Does it have any actual strategic value in the show? I do remember a point where Breienne said ''fuck it we'll go around it'' if you could do that people wouldn't be fucking killing each other for it all the time FFS
>>71089691
>pyramid freed slaves city under siege
>dragon slut shows up JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME TO SAVE THE DAY
>over 9000 arrows flying at the battle field
>not a single one hits JON SNOOZE
>about to lose the battle and all die
>DONT WORRY SALSA IS HERE WITH LITTLE NIGGERS ARMY
>JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME!!!!!!
>ramram dies to his own dogs, who he didnt feed for SEVEN DAYS GUYS
sorry but it was cliche and contrived as fuck, you probably enjoy every capeshit that comes out too.
>>71094031
Win win ? lel I'm guessing you're a mobile fag with auto correct? Although you are kinda right
when did the show and the characters became so terrible black and white?
>>71094091
Ramsay actually went to the trouble of getting Moat Cailin back from the ironborn in season 4. It was so pivotal, Roose legitimized him as a reward.
But deciding to completely ignore it afterwards helps the plot progress.
>>71093810
He was pretty loyal and obedient to Jon.
He should have been given two massive shields fashioned from the side of a house. He could have held those together like blocking arrows and shielding men behind him and charging through the crowd using them as a cowcatcher. The soldiers shielded behind him could then slash and pick off those that tried to flank him.
As a weapon of warfare he was vastly under utilised.
>>71089691
How is puberty otherwise working out for ya?
>>71089691
Haven't seen it, does Bear loli Lyanna do anything other than scowl at Ramsay?
>>71093841
>This episode just shocked the world. Of course some faggots will act like they hated it.
>shocked the world
>shocked
Because the outcome was so incredibly unpredictable.
>>71094434
And that's fine, anything else would have been more unrealistic BS. She is just physically there to represent her house.
>>71093746
So he should haveheld the door?
>>71093810
Lmao pretty sure I saw this very same giant using a huge bow that shot human-sized arrows some seasons back.
Now apparently prefers to go full hardmode.
>>71089691
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
>>71089691
Agreed. I fucking loved the episode.
Fucking edgelords always try to find something bad to feel smart.
The battle was retarded and made no sense and the whole episode was feminist muh strong womyn garbage
kill yourself
>>71089691
>urmuhgawd, actions lol, muh dicks is so hard
No, fuck off. When you just choose scenes that doesn't make a good episode, it makes a demo reel .
I like the transformers transforming bits, but the movies are shit.
>>71093708
after you
>>71089691
It was a pretty good episode desu. There was actually some good cinematography for once on the show along with some actual directing. BUT there's still too much shit in this show that doesn't make any sense.
Like Ramsay being able to hit Rickon from 100 yards out, and why wouldn't Rickon just zigzag?
Why did Ramsay shoot an already dying Wun Wun instead of Jon once they breached Winterfell?
Why didn't Sansa ever mention the Vale coming to help? What if the Vale showed up right after the battle and Sansa and everyone else was already dead?
Why didn't they make some rudimentary wooden armor for WunWun? If they were that outnumbered, this simple thing alone could have won it for them without the Vale. Surely just with wooden armor and some sort of weapon of his own (like a giant lance, or mace) Wun Wun would have been unstoppable and could have broken that phalanx with ease.
why is barely anyone using shields in got?
UK TV Series Battle
>actually shows the full events of the battle in clear shot
>good performances by established actors
>concise planning and thoughts shown by the generals on their next plan of attack and their smart tactics in defeating one of the best generals in existence (fiction and non fiction)
>immerses you in the scene
>characters dont act retarded
>cgi minimal use
US TV Series Battle
>zoomed in shots so you cant tell what the fucks happening
>DUDE GIMMICK SHOT LMAO
>DUDE GRITTY LMAO
>hand me down british actors who give laughable performances
>retarded tactics in battle
>cgi everywhere
>magic teleportation armies appear that would make Tolkien think is utter bollocks
>>71094031
>"Try this stuff I went to the effort of making just for you"
You're trying to talk to a giant like he cares about humans social faux pas guiltting him it like that would work
>>71096963
>Like Ramsay being able to hit Rickon from 100 yards out
He was an expert archer and it was a longbow. Not too ridiculous.
>why wouldn't Rickon just zigzag?
Because he was a panicked teenager and this shit happens all the time. People make dumb decision. Also Jon was riding straight at him and Rickon just wanted to get to Jon. Blame Jon if you're gonna go this route.
>Why did Ramsay shoot an already dying Wun Wun instead of Jon once they breached Winterfell?
He expected to be able to put an arrow in Jon afterwards, he just wanted to also troll him one last time.
>Why didn't Sansa ever mention the Vale coming to help? What if the Vale showed up right after the battle and Sansa and everyone else was already dead?
Because she's playing the fucking Game of Thrones.
>Why didn't they make some rudimentary wooden armor for WunWun?
True that, desu. The writing killed Wun Wun in this episode. Cost issues, I guess?
Game of Thrones has completely sold out. They put all the budget and effort into the one big battle episode per season and Reddit along with all the other normies predictably sperg out at the budget and cinematography and are perfectly willing to overlook an entire season of shitty writing cause of MUH EBIN BATTLE
This is the second season in a row now. Can't wait for the ebin Kelly C and her stronk womyn brigade invade Kings Landing episode next season, followed by Kelly C and Jon Sue team up and fight the zombies episode in the final season.
Did they get the guy who did the Castle Black fight to direct. The fight was literally shitloads of quick cuts, one 2 minute scene with 90% cgi horsemen and 10% infantry who get one shot by Jon, no counterplay, no actual fighting, then quick cuts of grey black blob army vs grey black blob army with pointy hats. Not even touching the logic / tactical flaws throughout the episode, but i see everyone saying "The direction was soooo good" when even by Game of Thrones standards it was sub-par. Blackwater, Hardholme, Castle Black / Wall, all of these huge fights were better choreographed, better thought out, better looking and better from a story perspective.
It was a fine episode but i'm convinced all these mouthbreathers spewing 10/10 BEST DIRECTION IVE EVER SEEN are literal 12 year olds (or those the mental age of same) who can't even remember better combat 2 seasons ago and are heaping praise on it because they like the Starks / hate Ramsay.
I don't get it senpaitachi, why are normies incapable of just saying "Yeah it was pretty good." Why does everything have to be SO EPIC HELLA BRO BEST EVA to them.
>>71094428
Because a TV production has never pulled something like this off
>>71097201
US TV Series Battle
>constant cuts to excuse for shitty choreography
>possibly one long take so normies can talk about how great the cinematography was
>>71097172
>an army finally uses shields
>their enemies are helpless, cant do anything
>only CIA can turn it around
>>71097448
>possibly one long take
in front of a green screen
>>71097310
He would do it if Jon told him too. People seem to underestimate that Jon is pretty much God to his army.
Fuck from an in-universe perspective their probably already writing songs about how not even a thousand arrows from the Bolton army could touch Jon on the field, and the story is probably that he caught the arrows in the keep with his bare hands.
>>71089691
I enjoyed the battle up until the part with the mound of dead bodies (which completely ruined immersion).
It was good seeing Ramsey die as he had become a boring character and a caricature.
It was good seeing some dragons fuck shit up.
Sorry, but this was a fireworks show. It was mostly spectacle. Hardly any plot was covered, not much was explained. I doubt much will in the last episode either.
>>71097378
If there is any proof /tv/ is infested with Redditors it is people thinking BoTB was the best GoT has produced. Easily Blackwater, Castle Black and Hardhome had far better action and cinematography but everyone seems to forget it because karma or some shit. It was an okay episode, but not the best it could have been at.
>>71097373
the battle in season 2 was better tbqh
>>71097310
you're trying to talk about giants as if you ever met one
>>71097566
>I enjoyed the battle up until the part with the mound of dead bodies
but-but showing a pile of dead bodies is bold and audacious! we're bold and audacious guys especially me love dan
>>71093746
NONE OF THEM HAD HELMETS!
>>71089691
It was really REALLY not a masterpiece.
It was good. Solid 7/10. Best or second best of the season I'd say. Certainly a high point in the last two seasons.
But a few things that stood out to me anyways:
>Pros:
Generally good direction. Favorite shot was Davos silhouetted against the sunrise. The shaky cam claustrophobia stuff isn't super original but its still effective. Seeing Ramsay get BTFO.
- Music / effects I guess?
>Cons
- Pretty much all the writing. Jon going to save Rickon is reasonable enough, but I think its going to far in terms of motivation to say that he would suicide his entire army. He DESERVES to die. There's absolutely no way he would last any amount of time.
- The cavalry charge is somehow evenly matched despite them being very disproportionate.
- Wun Wun has nothing to fight with at all and dies stupidly.
- The WARDEN OF THE NORTH has absolutely no way of seeing possibly the largest standing army of Westeros make its way across hundreds (or more) miles to attack.
- Sansa being utterly retarded again in a way that is simply frustrating. Characters can be unlikeable in a story, but jfc GoT used to have grey area. Sansa saying "listen to me" and then "lol idk anything XD" is fucking stupid.
- That Sansa would be the one to kill Ramsay by herself rather than have any amount of consultation just so that they could have "le epic ending XD". If this were earlier in the show I think that they would have done the reasonable thing and have used Ramsay as an example whether by keeping him alive or by publicly executing him.
- The continuity error where Sansa knows how hungry the hounds are.
- Emilia Clarke's """"acting"""" and again being given everything she wants without much effor.
- Why the fuck would the slavers have no way of even fighting dragons when they knew 100% that she had them?
- Why the fuck were the Harpies outside conveniently for "save the day" shot via dothraki?
- Couple more, but I'm done here now.
>>71097201
What show is that pic from?
>>71097591
Remember when the battle episodes had great writing and character moments in addition to great cinematography and action scenes?
>>71097591
>If there is any proof
(which there isn't, not that adult assclowns like you ever treat that as an obstacle to constantly pissing and whining about reddit like ten-year-olds in a fucking treefort gang)
>>71097676
war & peace
>>71097651
>Why the fuck were the Harpies outside conveniently for "save the day" shot via dothraki?
if you can ask this question I think it's safe to assume you already knew the answer. besides, now ramsay's dead daenerys is the "creator's pet" of those fucktards benioff and weiss, who can't seem to do without one
>>71097676
Nvm, I just realised i've watched war and peace.
>>71097745
That's basically the thing right?
I find old GoT to be high tier TV, and the newer episodes are about a 40-50% hit and miss for me.
But there are obviously limitations in budget and writing. What they manage to do with what they have is usually pretty decent, but to act like its """ART""" is retarded. The battle direction was well done but nearly EVERYTHING around it was BAD.
I'm just not invested in the battle of what's supposed to be a realistic show when all the motivation/explanations are fucked.
>>71093708
This is how you spot an underage
>yfw jon is such a manlet he gets trampled by his own army, just like what happened to the literal midget dwarf
DAE remember when the Wildlings attacked the wall, one of the giants had a massive bow that could clear the wall. That bow could've fucked Ramsey from afar. Hell, giant could've yanked a tree and used it to smash the shieldwall. I was furious with how inept that giant was in the episode, literally arrow fodder.
>>71097821
>realistic show
>giants
>ice zombies
>dragons
>magic
>>71097878
the one that was killed by 3 guys? giants were just as powerful back then...
>>71097682
Go bacÄ· to reddit
>>71089691
>this overpowered bows
>this heavy shields like doors
>this corpse hill
>this uber athletic shieldmans
>this LOTR cavalery charge
Unrealistik fantasy shit.
>>71097907
You can have far out shit but still have an internally consistent and realistic world.
i dont understand got
is it for fantasy babbies
is it for porn babbies
i think its for hype babbies who will watch anything thats popular cause they dont wanna fall out of the conversation
>>71098036
like teleporting armies?
>>71098052
I'd assume that's one of his complaints in going from 'realistic' to not so realistic.
>>71098010
really? because otherwise there were lots of dragons in the middle ages. but i suppose it woulda been more interesting watching a realistic, but boring as fuck battle.
>>71089908
How do you go from that to this?
>>71089691
I'll repeat it: From a standpoint of narrative and cinematography, it was a great episode. When it comes to sensible military action it was terrible from both sides. While there are historical accounts of bodies piling up, it seems unlikely that they would chose to fight around them.
>>71093746
I'm disappointed that we didn't really get to see the freefolk fight against the northerners. Instead they were just surrounded and stabbed to death. I wanted to see a brawl.
>>71098157
>From a standpoint of narrative and cinematography, it was a great episode
cannot wait for you to clear this up
>>71098157
>cinematography
How? The battle was literally quick cuts: the battle.
That '2 minute unbroken shot' is mostly CGI horses and jon just berzerking through everyone. How is the cinematography good? The mirror shot of him rising out of the corpse pile like dany being carried by slaves? I hear this shit posted every thread and no one ever explains what they like about it, just that it's 'amazing' direction / cinematography.
>>71093746
I was thinking pretty much that.
Why didn't he take a tree from a near by forest and start swinging that shit
>>71098010
The cavalry charges weren't unrealistic, at least not in their choice (though maybe in how they clashed).
Davos pulled a desperate but certainly necessary move by sending out the cavalry early to protect Jon. They way they just rammed into each other, dying upon anothers lances was kinda horrible though. Though not sensible, could happen that way.
There was nothing wrong with the Vale army charge though.
how did those giant piles of bodies appear all stacked up?
where did CIA spring from?
how did the giant break down that door so easily?
it started out nice, the cavalry clash was neat although the stupidity leading up to it on jon's part was terrible and too illogical to suspend disbelief. in the beginning the fighting was visceral and you could appreciate the action fully because there was no visual obstruction. then all of a sudden we get this stupid shaky cam bullshit that just pissed me off more than anything. from there it just got worse. you have the 20 foot tall pile of bodies out of nowhere that they decided to stand in front of when their own allies were behind them for some reason. they then get surrounded somehow by one of the dumbest scenes in the show. the entirety of that encirclement was just a shitty way to add dramatic effect for the next scene. oh and the next scene, it's sansa literally getting everyone killed because strong women don't need to explain shit to a man
overall it's a 7/10 episode
>>71098242
What was unrealistic was that no officer (Davos) remained in the rear to give signals to the fighting men. That way encirclement could have possibly been prevented.
As for the cavalry, it appearing out of nowehere was the unforgivable sin of the ep.
>>71093746
He's a big guy
>>71098242
Horses, even bred and drilled war horses literally never charge into massive, tight ranks, even from behind.
>>71098299
Do you think this scene looks realistic?
>>71098279
Why wasnt he shot approaching?
>>71098364
Looks like something from a parody movie.
Like the scary/epic movie guys decided to make a game of thrones parody.
>>71093746
that could be applied to wildlings too, they had no way to defend from arrows and they were totally rekt by that shieldwall. You just don't go to war on foot without a shield.
I cringed the entire battle. It was even for a setting with Ice zombies dragons and shit, so absolutely unbelievable and retarted. Ramsays strategy was entirely based on Jon having no discipline and the giant hill of corpses that just massed on one spot. Also why did nobody attack the goddamm idiotic Pavese Phalanx while they marched over the corpse hill and around their entire flank. The giant would have ripped the entire formation appart before they got into position. And why did Ramsay have his cavalary charge and then started to shoot them up. He could have just shoot Jon and then the charging Nights Watch without loses.
The battle was just set up, so that Sansa could prove superior above Jon and Ramsay by having deus ex machina knights charging out of nowhere.
>>71098364
>trained soldier
>years of experience
>facing death
>man gives you ultimatum
>drop swords and run manically
pretty funny tbph
>>71098364
i forgot about this scene. i didn't feel like writing an essay anyway. there's a dozen things you can pick out of every got episode that prove how shitty this show has become. now that you reminded me i've revised my rating
a solid 6/10
>>71093746
>what shouldve happened
>>71098203
>>71098217
It's not just about the shots. We follow around Jon through the battle, and while he survives, we see him desperate, vulnerable, acting like an animal. There's multiple times in the battle where someone almost stabs him in the back simply because the fight is pure chaos. To me it signalled that he doesn't just have magical plot armour as many would still claim. We know he can die. Especially in the scene where is nigh on buried alive.
What I like about that scene was not that it was a "rhyme" (cue pottery posting) with the Mhysa scene, but that it's kind of the opposite. Like Ice is to Fire. He isn't carried, he has to push himself out of a crush of corpses, carried not by the will of others but his own.
Jon going berzerk is a stark contrast to his other fighting depictions, where he keeps an upright posture, not enjoying to murder everyone. This Jon has clearly gone over the edge, savagely impaling enemies on his blade and stabbing them on the ground. Those are inefficient moves that are likely to get you killed, but he goes with them anyway.
From a battle description point, the desperation of the Stark forces was visceral. I don't think there has ever been a battle scene that so clearly showed how bad a battle can go, and that men don't just run in like idiots to the slaughter.
I felt that the turmoil, vulnerability, desperation, and monstrosity of the scene was carried pretty well by the long shot and Jon's acting, as well as the chaos that nearly kills him at every turn. Feel free to disagree with me though.
>>71094823
>one log in my right hand one door in my left hand
>one log rightnd one door leftnd
>one logitd one deftitd
>one LG one dft
>one one
>WUN WUN
>>71098437
>The battle was just set up, so that Sansa could prove superior
this is basically it
>refuses to tell jon she has cia's help the night before
>>71098323
>As for the cavalry, it appearing out of nowehere
What the fuck are you even talking about retard?
>>71098497
>There's multiple times in the battle where someone almost stabs him in the back
in the most dramatic way possible. they could have done a better job
ITT: whingeing cunts
>>71098463
I give it a 6/10 too. Cinematography was great... direction and plot? Not so much. Acting was GoT average.
>>71093746
nigger could of pushed a wagon like a lawnmower and mow down all the bitches
>>71098497
most of what you said has fuck all to do with narrative and cinematography with the only exception being the long shot. The long shot was pure actor in front of green screen, to tell me that is good cinematography is telling me you need glasses.
>I don't think there has ever been a battle scene that so clearly showed how bad a battle can go
you haven't watched many battle scenes then
>and that men don't just run in like idiots to the slaughter.
they do in this. 3 times. Jon because hes an idiot, the rest of his first wave because they're idiots, and davos and the second wave because they're idiots
Sansa gets her tits out in the next episode, guys.
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>>71089691
It's dragged down by the terrible Dany segment in the first part of the episode
>giant gets taken out with a Legolas sniper shot to the eye
called that shit last week
>>71098527
I am talking about the fact that Ramsay Bolton had no informers to warn him that a full-fledged army was within charge range of the battlefield. He learned of their existence as they charged in.
And I am telling you if I ever see that again in a movie or tv show, I will strangle the life out of both the script writer as well as the executive producer.
I liked it, yea there were flaws but it was still a satisfying show of violence and had some semblance of tactics.
The show has been going down hill but this is easily one of the best episodes out of the whole 6 seasons.
>>71096963
>>71093746
Because then they couldn't do their Eben shield wall
That's the only reason
They got it in their heads and couldn't let it go, so they left him unarmed because otherwise he could easily break through the wall with a simple club
This is who I imagine when i read contrarian opinions.
>>71098497
> Cinematography.
> Not about the shots.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
>>71098618
Jon's not an idiot, he's a deeply emotional, good, sensitive person and we see the downside of being that way. In contrast, Ramsay is a sociopathic lunatic who forsakes practicality in favor of making bold statements, and we see the downside of that.
>>71089691
>Fanservice
>Masterpiece
You'll love Naruto then
>>71098323
The Vale forces arriving as a surprise was hinted at heavy handedly though. I agree, Bolton scouts, allied Houses etc. should have spotted them early though.
Davos should not have abandoned his artillery position without having spent a single arrow. He should either have held, or repositioned for better shots, or to cover their infantry from letting the encirclement happen
On top of that, Jon and Davos should have simply charged/retreated out of the circle before the Boltons had time to close it. That shield wall was weakest when it was in the making, with Bolton men carrying heavy shields, and spears that are basically useless out of their specific formation. That was an unforgivable move on their commanding officers part. Either they a) thought that keeping in a tight circle would be their best option (which would make them retarded) or b) they were simply baffled by the Bolton move. Either way, I would never fight for Jon again. Nor for Ramsay, since he likes to shoot his own forces and puts enemies on death ground, where they will fight most fiercely.
>>71098350
But they do when the enemy formation routs or breaks under the charge, which they do in the scene. They are charging through the unprotected back of the Bolton forces, making a gap for both infantry and cavalry to smash through, which is the job of cavalry.
I would agree though that horses act much more like a mobile "sniper" force, if you will. They don't crash into enemy lines Rohirrim style, but can snipe weak points moving in and out quickly.
Once in the circle, the Vale knights should have dismounted, probably, while keeping some men mounted outside the circle to disrupt the Boltons.
>>71098683
>on's not an idiot, he's a deeply emotional, good, sensitive person
Well he's an idiot because he put his emotions in the way of his duty as the leader of an army
>>71098453
>man has three fucking dragons flyingover your heads
>>71098678
>contrarian
>using reddit buzzwords
>>71089691
https://youtu.be/bZiHlOSdVB8
when did jon snow become some sort of badass swordman with a reputation that ramsay was afraid to fight him?
ramsay seems like a way better fighter since he dual wield daggers scaring off all the ironborn and was able to hit rickon with an arrow at the clutchest moment
>>71098689
Did Davos have any prior experience leading battles on land? i thought he commanded ships in the past
>>71098740
battle on the wall most likely, but im sure there will have been whisperings of his exploits beyond too, like hunting down the mutineers
>>71098689
>But they do when the enemy formation routs or breaks under the charge, which they do in the scene.
They literally charge into the back ranks of the shield wall, tight, shoulder to shoulder ranks.
What show were you watching that the Bolton forces were routing / broken, they were closing in / tightening their ranks on the Stark forces. Even from behind without spears pointing at them, with no avenues for the front horses to go other than leg first (aka death for the horse) into a wall of dudes they would have bucked and turfed their riders off.
I can accept it happening a fantasy show, but you saying they were realistic is flat out wrong.
>>71098720
it doesnt matter. theyre soldiers. they have been mentally trained (especially in dark age times) that you will more than likely die in battle.
Why did all of them suddenly shit their pants? not one stood their ground. it is stupid
>>71098618
I've seen many terrible battle scenes from a wide range of movies set in medieval times, antiquity and Renaissance period. 90% of them get equipment, formations, tactics and issues of morale wrong.
I spoke at length about how the scene reflects Jon's character, how he has moved through the battle, has changed from the last seasons to this one, and how the battle of Ice is a reverse image to the battle of Fire. If that is "fuck all" to do with narrative, and how the cinematography shows it, then I'll simply chalk up your comment to "I can't disprove you, so I'll simply say you're wrong without saying why."
>>71098542
Agreed. But that can be said about almost any depiction of battle in films.
>>71098682
Read again. I didn't say that cinematography is NOT about the shots, I said that it is not JUST about the shots.
>>71098139
20 years hyperactive sexlife? that mouth looks pretty overused.
>>71098740
trained by the famous Stark master of arms, I forget his name. and then when he killed Half-hand
>>71098046
nu-males and soccer moms
>>71098789
partly to show how the masters followers have no true loyalty, good roman men would have fought to the last here
>>71098740
He's survived several huge battles, killed a White Walker in single combat, became the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, is the son of the North's most worshiped, revered, and respected lord, has an army of Wildlings including a giant following his orders, and to top it all off literally came back from the dead. The mythology surrounding him at that point would be growing powerful.
2 weeks since I stopped watching this, I guess I did good, kek.
>inb4 you can opine if you didn't watch it
You're kinda right, I'm going to opine nevertheless
>>71098798
>I said that it is not JUST about the shots.
true, it also involves lighting which was also unbelievably shit
>>71098157
what force caused the bodies to pile up. I could hardly climb that mountain and I'm alive.
>>71098798
> The art of photography and camerawork in film-making.
I know this is pedantic, but just say you liked the narrative / motivation with Jon and don't misuse the term cinematography.
The camerawork and cinematography of this episode was dismal with 90% of the fight being CGI ridiculousness and the other 10% blobs of guys standing in medium shots doing shit all while all the battle scenes other than the first ""unbroken shot"" looked like they hired michael J fox to film.
>>71090367
>Sam's homecoming ep
>the n+1th grumpy father
that was shit
>>71098847
i don't know how ramsay would have heard of any of that stuff, that all happened with me of the nights watch and wildlings, so how would ramsay know of any of it? the only 'regular' people at the wall were stannis' men, davos, and mel. other than that it's not like there's a constant stream of regular people going in and out of castle black.
so yea, how ramsay heard any of these stories is a complete mystery
>>71098837
>nu-males
The use of this word is hilarious because of who is using it. If there's anything that defines the modern submissive whiny beta male, it's the /pol/ poster. Watching a TV show just to cry about it and being so insecure in your masculinity that so much as a woman tying her shoes correctly sends you into a flurry of "stronk womyn" and "SJW propaganda" shitposts is pretty much rock bottom for being a "nu-male." It literally doesn't get more pathetic than that.
>>71098931
obviously littlefinger was teleporting again
>>71098931
He has good men everywhere anon
>>71089691
Literally Just turn your brain off: The episode.
>>71098781
The Bolton forces had their backs turned on the cavalry, being occupied with what happened in front of them. Men with long spears, heavy to turn around against a cavalry force approaching, and some men with shorter weapons held up between spearmen and shield carriers. Attacking them from that position was incredible low risk for cavalry. They literally could stab them in the back, make them panic and break formation. After all, what would you do standing in that shield wall, being pressed from front and behind? Stand there while the horses come at you with nothing to fend them off? Your argument isn't convincing. When would be cavalry of use, if not against the unprotected, unarmed, unarmoured back of an opposing formation, which was all of 3 men deep.
>>71098931
ravens man, ravens. the wall has never been totally isolated. remember in season 1 when Uncle Ben was going around collecting people for the wall. then there is moletown, Crows could go there and talk about whats going on or get news.
>>71098999
>Men with long spears, heavy to turn around against a cavalry force approaching
Im sure they could handle that small task considering they surrounded jons army within a fraction of a second
>>71098931
There have been regular examples in the show displaying that news carries from the wall to everywhere else, primarily by raven probably. Ramsay and Sansa have a conversation where he tells her that her "brother is Lord Commander of the Night's Watch."
>>71098789
>(especially in dark age times) that you will more than likely die in battle.
That is some of the most stupid shit I have ever heard. Why would you train your soldiers to expect death in battle? He who expects death in battle, will find it. No, no one taught their soldiers that they would find death in battle. People in the early medieval period in Europe followed their liege lord for a few weeks in campaign, returning after four weeks of levy to their homes so they can tend to their business, such as farming, fishing, etc.
Where did you get that bone idly stupid information?
>>71098982
I thought that was the previous one, and then the previous to that, and then the previous to that too. This is the turn your brain off Season.
I love how my friends are calling me contrarian for not score this episode as as 11/10. They are accusing me of being a book fag, even though I didn't read the books, kek.
>>71099062
D&D
Hey at least it has cool commie soviet swords.
>>71099070
Do your friends know you type kek instead of lol when you circle jerk with your internet friends on 4chan because you all decided that you want to say lol but also don't want to seem uncool so you misspell it deliberately like the utter retards you are so you can tell yourselves you're just doing it ironically or some such nonsense?
>>71098781
the vale cavalry charge was fine, nothing really wrong with that one
the first cavalry charge with bolton/stark men was beyond retarded. horses are for flanking infantry, light cavalry isn't meant for the first initial charge of a battle, that's just typical hollywood retardation
go read some stuff about how horses were used in battle, they were mostly used to break up heavy infantry formations and archers that didn't have pole weapons to scare off the horses. they were also used as feints to break up infantry formations. horses aren't charging into big pointy sticks, they aren't dumb animals.
>>71098882
Most of the time I would agree on the shaky cam thing because it's done poorly, but in this case I disagree. I barely noticed the camera shaking, because it reflected the turmoil of the scene while retaining my ability to perceive it.
It's like stylistic devices. They are a tool that should ideally reflect a theme of the story mimetically. Most snobbish /tv/ posters just say what you can read here: The lighting sucks, the unbroken shot looked bad, too many quick cuts. But they say it like it's only a matter of aesthetics, like there is some magic innate understanding one needs to spot whether something is true patrician kino or dirty peasant flickshit. It's whether the usage of a shot furthers the story (while keeping it aesthetic) or not.
>>71098999
They were still shoulder to shoulder in ranks.
Horses do not charge ranks. Ever.
>>71099055
>>71099028
so someone wrote down all of jon's exploits, like killing white walkers, in a raven message?
i'm not buying it
>>71099149
well to be fair, the charge has sense if the speaman are not facing the cav.
>>71099042
Think this through logically. Those spears are busy fending off and stabbing Stark forces, so they can't come close and murder the men wielding the shields. If they break up their wall of spears, their shieldwall becomes ineffective. Not that I believe they would even have the time to answer that quickly to the Vale forces.
>>71089691
Jon Snow episodes are always 10/10.
Should be Game of Jon.
>>71099116
desu they would actually be decent cavalry swords
though a longer sabre with a smoother edge would be better
>>71099163
It's fine if you like it. But its strictly and measurably bad cinematography (something you said was one of the few good parts of it).
Again, seems pedantic i'm sure, but if you say you like something for X reason, atleast know something about that reason.
>>71099128
In English, doc
>>71099042
They were basically locked together like puzzle pieces with extremely bulky, heavy equipment filling the already small gaps between soldiers... jesus, fuck it. If you're too stupid to understand the utter confusion and complexity in a situation like that then you're too retarded to understand any response you'd be given.
>>71099192
that's why i said the vale charge towards the back of the bolton men was fine, totally fine, that's exactly how horses would be used, for flanking attacks
More fanservice than Naruto and Bleach together
>>71099229
> Charging straight into ranks.
> Flanking
Are you a mongoloid?
Jon Snow is warden of the north (the cold) now.
And Daenerys is ruling the east (the heat).
This has truly become A Song Of Ice And Fire
>>71099179
not every Crow is kept at the wall like a prisoner. Uncle Ben was traveling from city to city, Sam is currently doing the same. They would be telling stories from the wall and hearing news from the rest of the land. We don't see every member of the watch. there could be several running around the kingdom while on some task for the wall.
In the book Jon sends out one of the brothers just to go around telling stories about the wall for recruitment
>>71099179
Some of it spreads, some of it doesn't. The point is he's done a lot of shit and if you think it's implausible that there would be utterances of him being a legendary fighter then you're fucking retarded.
>>71099128
Does your friends know you're a faggot?
>>71096963
>>71097314
Sanza wasn't at the meeting yet when Ramsey said he didn't feed the dogs , why did she knew in the end? it wasnt really a time to chit-chat about that
lmao when dany and her soft shite summer army try and invade the north in winter
do you think dragons are endotherms or ectotherms, despite being reptiles I would wager they had evolved endothermy due to their size
>>71099257
they charged into the back of them, and then started side swiping the ranks
so yea, it's basically a flank
>>71098139
Life's a bitch
>>71094106
exactly
>>71099322
Jon could have told her. Ramsey was prepped before being given to Sansa to be finished off. they would have told her the details about why they decided to tie him up in the kennel
>>71099325
couldn't they just warm themselves up abit by breathing on each other?
Well take your own criticism. You have not explained why the shots are bad, why the lighting sucks, and why the unbroken shot is terrible. You simply said it is.
It's not pedantic, it's hypocritical. I have given my reasons.
>>71093708
>/b/ babies coming to /tv/ to discuss GoT
There has never been a tactically sound battle in television. Directors don't know shit about warfare.
>>71093841
Is this bait?
>>71099332
Visual representation.
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Horses will literally never charge this, even from behind with no spears. It goes against basic self preservation. Would you run face first into a brick wall? No? Neither would a fucking horse.
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> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cavalry could easily charge through this, as we see in Mereen slashing those to their sides as they go.
What we saw in the battle was the first example, and why i'm complaining about the Horses being unrealistic. I accept that it happened in the show, multiple times, but stop saying it's 'realistic' for them to do this, it 100% is not.
Had they done this.
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Raking along the backline, that is flanking, that is actual cavalry tactics, that would break the line and start a rout. Horses do not charge into shoulder to shoulder forces 3-4 ranks deep, and to say it's realistic is fucking retarded.
It's fine it's in the show, fantasy, whatever, but it is in no way realistic.
>>71099322
AFTER THEY HAD TAKEN WINTERFELL BACK, THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A PARLAY WITH EVERYONE DISCUSSING HOW TO KILL HIM. It was then that Jon had the idea about the starving dogs. "But you be the one to do it" he said to Sansa.
A monkey could have connected those dots anon.
>>71099428
the last kingdom had pretty good shield wall battles. i was impressed with those. they aren't completely accurate but they were definitely the most accurate battle scenes i've watched in a show
So what, jon had like 3000 men or something before the fight.
And he got like 2000 of them killed because he cant follow his own plans.
Nobdy wants a leader like that to lead you in to battle in real life.
>>71089691
I don't even give a fuck about plot holes and all that, the battle was hype as FUCK.
>that dude taking a couched lance right behind jon snuh
MUH DICK
>>71097651
>- Emilia Clarke's """"acting"""" and again being given everything she wants without much effor.
her scenes and the length of that battle only shows how (over)powered she, her army, her dragons are, compared to westeros' ""armies""
>>71099486
Obviously John can just turtle now and raise new forces after upgrading his armories and maybe building a blacksmith hut.
>>71099380
dragons use chemical ignition techniques, their breath is not hot, but their fire is far too hot to be used for heating (remember it melted the stones of harrenhal)
I have one question why didn't they have Sandals whistle to make the dogs attack Ramsay, it would have brought her character arc of becoming darker and learning to play the game to a nice close
>>71099486
And the giant's dead is all on that motherfucker.
>>71098661
First one in the battle, not a scratch on him throughout the entire battle.
>>71098678
Niggers, jews, bad news.
>>71099457
> I didn't see it so it can't have happened
reminder that people who think like this are known to lack theory of mind, humans develop theory of mind at the age of 4 and do you know what developmental disease those who do not develop it are called?
Austistic
>>71090299
>with just 2 ranks
try 5
>>71099212
Those are made to hook and pull shields
>>71093841
I will agree. Better than any LOTR or big screen sword battle
>>71099443
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_tactics
the main purpose behind this is to scatter enemy formations. most of the time it was a feint, but they did sometimes fully charge into formations, especially if those formations don't have pole weapons, like archers. the horses have armor and were trained for charging straight into ranks.
that's why there's a difference between light cavalry and heavy cavalry.
>>71099428
No one gives a fuck autist. We just need it to be entertianing and captaviting, if people really wnated realism WE WATCH FOOTAGE OF ACTUAL WARS.
>>71099627
obvious and low tier bait
>>71099505
And a bunch of white knights willing to cut their own balls for her.
>>71099620
>literally just pulling shit out of your ass
>>71099263
Does this mean the final boss is Dany vs Jon vs Jamie/Cercei?
or more like Jon and Dany team up vs the White walkers
>>71093705
What is it like having worse taste than Mr Wiseau?
>>71094373
>As a weapon of warfare he was vastly under utilised.
They essentially had a tank.
From sheer size they could have kitted him out in armor a meter thick or have him lob giant trees at the enemy. It's brutal how they managed to kill him off.
>>71099128
Actually he's an orc, so stop being racist
Did ANYONE not expect Littlefinger so show up at the last minute to save the day before this episode even started?
I don't get why you'd complain about it, it's the obvious path that they had to take.
Also Dany scenes > Jon Snow scenes that episode get fucked.
Why in the fuck no one challenge those dragons ffs, you can easily jump on them and then stab strongly with 2h sword or camper them with a massive crossbow, easy as fuck boom dragon problem solved, why is this show full of pussies
>>71098323
the liitle girl and her aids may have be there, as she was there on the meeting too.
the cavalry wasn't out of nowher, the camera was just tilted up on Jon so we cant see the marching cavalry from his behind, for drama
>>71099756
>armour a metre thick
are you mad
1 inch thick steel would have been more than enough, ramsey didnt even have ballistas
>>71099689
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khopesh
>The blunted edge of the weapon's tip also served as an effective bludgeon, as well as a hook.
>>71099636
Again, back to my first post. Even the best trained and constantly drilled warhorses will NEVER actually charge a stable rank.
Charges and Shock tactics utilized the fear of dozens of hundred pound beasts to break the line before they actually hit. If that didn't work, for example if they were against a well drilled army who kept their ranks formed against the charge, they would simply veer off before smashing into their line and trying a different tactic like flanking or haranguing the sides rear / routing forces.
Shock tactics only work because as the people in the formation get afraid of being trampled (because they're mostly fuckwit peasants), they break, and in breaking allow for that second example i just posted , they scatter and create avenues for the horses to go without dying the second they hit the wall.
This isn't a fucking video game or Lord of the rings man. Horses aren't cool with shattering both their legs flipping up and breaking their neck just because some asshole is riding them. Even horses bred for war have self preservation.
It was fantastic action but I don't feel like having fantastic action is what GoT is all about, so I still wouldn't call it the best episode ever.
>>71098364
dragons would probably scare even a trained soldier
Let's clear something up.
Battle scenes = not good.
Tits = good.
Political intrigue = very good.
Hopefully they cut back on the violence next episode.
>>71093746
Wun Wun is a walking siege weapon that was stupidly under utilized.
Just give the fucker SOMETHING
The episode had some decent cinematography though. Looked cool but the battle was retarded when you put any thought into it.
>>71098497
>To me it signalled that he doesn't just have magical plot armour as many would still claim
You just like spewing shit don't ya.
>>71099805
Just pointing out that a load of arrows barely fazed him. If they didn't act like total retards in utilization they could have crushed ramsay easily.
>>71099916
she has such a good personality
>Sansa is completely reliant on Jon for her rightful claim to Winterfell
>Her only contribution to the battle is running to Littlefinger for help, another male
Why is GoT so misogynistic?
>>71098956
gonna save this for future use
>>71099798
Are you the same guy who posted this last time or are you someone fishing for (you)s
Anyway, have a
>>71099948
i agree, but as a commander jon did everything wrong by charging, and by having wun wun on the front
he should have let infantry engage/lock lines then sent wun wun as elite shock troop to blast the enemy where it's needed, Also coulda took their time finishing the siege (overhead protection) and he needn't die.
>>71099325
They're pretty birdlike in their behaviour and anatomy and have probably a fast metabolism that must be replenished by magic to be feasible in this world.
>>71099916
What is he feeling since he doesnt have a dick?
That was plenty stupid.
Just give him a shield, tie two doors together with suspenders for body/back armor and a tree for a club.
Send 20 guys with him to avoid him getting swarmed, bam you won.
This guy made a fucking bow but now he's going empty handed are you fucking kidding me?
>>71093746
I wanted Ramsay's death to be Wun Wun picking him up and eating him like some shit from attack on titan.
>>71097314
>Because he was a panicked teenager and this shit happens all the time.
just stop man
>>71100098
You don't need a dick to appreciate the absolute beauty that is Miss Andei's naked body.
Most gorgeous girl in the show.
>>71099916
When the fuck was this.
>>71100174
True, i think we need more black men fucking white women to more brown babies like her are made
>>71100185
How could you forget the best scene in an otherwise underwhelming season 4?
>>71098492
The only chance of bringing a dragon down
>>71100242
>he still thinks Jon and Kelly C first in line for seconds are going to be fighting against each other
>>71094373
Yeah, this. Like what the Edward Norton Hulk did a couple of times.
Its way smarter than the log weapon. That can't block shit and can only really sweep as much as the barn doors can.
As for convincing Wun Wun, we've literally already seen him get shot by the Night's Watch guy in s6 ep3.
Wouldn't be that hard to convince.
>>71100173
I understand why you fat neckbeards, whose only stress is angrily reading twitter and liberal blogs or hoping your WoW loot will drop, don't understand how influential emotions are in an actual life or death situation. I do understand why you're wrong, but you're still wrong. Hilariously wrong. Maybe one day you'll be in a truly trying situation, maybe even one that threatens your life, and you'll get enough perspective to understand how embarrassingly retarded posts like this are.
>>71100315
Intense emotions can make thinking difficult. We get that.
But when you say that Rickon was so emotional that he didn't realize he could dodge an arrow by zigzagging, nobody can take you seriously. Just stop man.
>>71090299
Nigga, Hannibal had way less men and much thinner ranks than the Romans when he pulled off Cannae and the encirclement at the end when no one could move and dead men couldn't even fall down is EXACTLY like Cannae.
The reason the thin formation works is that nobody wants to be the guy to get close to the pokey sticks. You gotta go between the spears like some of them tried. Also, it seemed like the shield's had some sort of spikes on the bottom to plant down into the mud
If anything they could have trained to pull back the shields and then had archers pop the guys behind them, but they didn't know what tactics they'd be facing aside from the heavy cavalry.
>>71094106
You realize that anything can sound stupid when you act like a condescending dickwad. The people who hated this episode were already predisposed to hate it. Like you, they trivialize every part of the show but they can't see the forest for the trees. The only joy they have in life is to be assholes, but they're not smart enough to be any good at that even.
>pyramid freed slaves city under siege
>dragon slut shows up JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME TO SAVE THE DAY
Travelling since episode 6/7? When was she supposed to get there?
>over 9000 arrows flying at the battle field
>not a single one hits JON SNOOZE
No plot defect - he got lucky. That's part of why the episode was so good.
>about to lose the battle and all die
>DONT WORRY SALSA IS HERE WITH LITTLE NIGGERS ARMY
>JUST IN THE NICK OF TIME!!!!!!
So the episode would have been better if they showed up before/after the battle? Or within 20 minutes of the start of the battle?
>ramram dies to his own dogs, who he didnt feed for SEVEN DAYS GUYS
I don't even get the criticism here.
>>71100095
Better, they pretty much said earlier that by retreating into winterfell Ramsay had already lost.
Wun wun died for lulz.
>>71098364
kekekekek
>>71099916
You bring to my attention several good points. I agree with your statement.
>>71097676
It's a pretty classic show.
>>71100346
>I get it
>Let me continue to prove how little I actually get it
Listen you arrogant, mentally retarded fat piece of shit from /pol/. I hope you get mugged at gunpoint, and 15 minutes after you finish shitting and pissing yourself and fumbling for your wallet and handing it over along with the cash the mugger couldn't even know you had, you realize you were staring at a toy gun. Because that's exactly what would happen you deluded, fat, subhuman shitstain faggot. Christ, I hate people like you more than anyone else on Earth. You literally deserve to be tested on what you're saying in the most brutal, unforgiving way imaginable. Get bent you fat fucking virgin loser.
>>71100429
>No plot defect - he got lucky. That's part of why the episode was so good.
Luck is one arrow missing.
A hundred arrows missing is wondering why they bothered to have bows at all.
>>71094106
In that order
Dany had been traveling for a while and this is a fantasy series
The lord of light protected Jon. I'm kidding it was dumb fucking luck.
Salsa can say she saved the day with her letter now but they're indebted to littlefinger now. She tried to stall Jon until they arrived too so don't forget that bit.
How is the last one a complaint? They ate him because they were fucking hungry.
>>71100491
blessed by lord of light fagget
>>71099660
Please show me footage of actual medieval battles.
>>71100480
Look, intense emotions can make thinking difficult. But absolutely nobody would be unable to realize they can zigzag while running away from a guy shooting a few arrows for 30 to 60 seconds.
Just stop it.
>>71097651
You're the only person anywhere that seems to agree with me about it. I thought it looked really good but was incredibly unsatisfying. I keep wondering how the showrunners expect me to feel. Every time Dany does a regal face I'm reminded of Arnold Rimmer, Jon Snow has become a retard and forgotten everything he learned about duty, and Sansa is either stupid or a villain. One thing I would point out though is that Sansa's actions kind of maybe make more sense if she has become fully a bad guy now and doesn't trust Jon, and is willing to become ruler of Winterfell with Baelish's support. The thing is, given the writing for the past two seasons, I don't think that is the case. It seems more like I'm supposed to be cheering on Dany, Jon and Sansa.
>>71100491
Lord of the Light. That's it.
>>71098364
>not being affected by fire breathing giant flying lizards
ok
>>71100571
You're an idiot.
>>71096963
May I add:
How was Jon's camp so close to Winterfell if it was the place where Stannis burned Shireen?
Why is the Winterfell gate so lightly re-enforced?
How did the Vale knights sneak through the whole North?
Who open the door between Ramsay's cell and the dogs' cell? Why didn't they attack THAT guy?
Why didn't Ramsay know that the dogs could get into his cell when he was talking to Sansa?
What was Littlefinger's plan before Jon got the Pink Letter, since by that time he had already sneak attacked Moat Cailin and then left his Army BEHIND and headed to Mole's Town?
>But Ramsay shot Wun Wun becoz he wanted Jon to agree to 1 vs 1 him and then decline to kill him so he'd get locked up and survive. It was a gambit.
>>71100609
*Your
>>71098364
their masters dont have dragons, I would run away too.
>>71100609
You're a dishonest person.
>>71089691
I agree but /tv/ is full of edgy contrarians
>>71100571
Instincts take over in a situation like that. Instinct = Run in a mother fucking bee line as fast and as hard from the thing trying to kill you. Check out some videos of people jumping into train tracks to kill themselves. The people in the area notice what happened and most of them turn 180 degrees and sprint, even though they're in no danger.
To overcome that instinct and entertain alternative solutions to the problem requires training, experience, and most importantly not literal childhood.
The issue is that you have so little idea of what you're talking about that you have no idea how little idea you have. See Dunning-Kruger.
>>71090367
Respectfully disagree. This felt like a movie, so fuckin' epic. The direction was fantastic, the visuals were outstanding, and the sense of pre-battle foreboding was really well-depicted by the writers. I think Jon, Rickon and Sansa were well enough developed that I cared about their lives, and I feel like we can't really judge this episode for what may be book changes or delays until next week. As it is, it was amazing.
