This is the biggest battlescene anyone's done since the silent era, in technical terms ... It's not what you're used to seeing. I don't know when someone last did a kino with a gorillion extras and a bunch of horses in a real environment. It is an escalation.
Go to the general and stop shitting up the board
That's a big battle
too bad it was 80% cgi and looked like a video game
>>71050461
For you.
What is Lord of the Rings for 500 Alex!
I thought it was done quite well, predictable but yea its time the Starks had a win and you guys nitpick the shit out of every episode anyway regardless of what happens.
>biggest battle scene since the silent era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97dBfdNrf9A
are you fags even trying?
Waterloo had literally thousands of extras.
>>71051374
>>71050461
Rome had a pretty big budget, I really like their battle of Philippi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exI45AnLBRc
>>71051374
fuck that must have been expensive to film
Nothing will ever beat Lord of the Rings in terms of epic battles.
But this GoT ep was excellent.
>>71051429
>Birthday cake
>In ancient Rome
What did he mean by this?
>>71051374
Biggest battle on television you fucking fag
>>71050461
1/10 made me reply
where did the giant piles of bodies come from?
>>71051597
Good battles but not as much blood and gruesomeness
>>71050461
You haven't watched any Polish historic movie, then.
Those fucks have the castles, the fields, the horses, the armors, the props - everything. They don't even need to do CGI (most of the time).
Just look up movies like Vienna, Knights of The Teutonic Order, etc.
>>71050513
>>71050553
>>71051374
>>71051744
Yeah, /tv/ is totally not a contrarian pos
>>71050493
4 jews
Battles aren't supposed to look like fun and awesome! They're grisly, weird, tragic, and disgusting displays of humanities' tragic character. They're dirty. The opening scene of Lincoln for instance was a perfect example. GoT battle of bastards got battles right, even if they weren't as EPIC as LOTR or grand. They got it right.
Skip to https://youtu.be/pPls2qEMs_k?t=11m37s
11:37 if it isnt there already.
>>71052119
>GoT battle of bastards got battles right
>what is sending heavy/shielded infantry out first
>what is flanking your enemy with cavalry
>all the arrows from the volleys missing Jon fucking Snow
Yep, they got it right.
My eyes were bleeding at how little went into the tactics and how everything had a "charge" button attached from beginning to end.
>>71050461
Double team phalanx, one guy holds shield other one shanks with spear.
>pottery
>the inexplicable mound of dead bodies
Holy shit this show has become the worst thing ever. How many times can you jump the shark
This shit is worse than 300. At least 300 was self-aware of how ridiculous and stupid it is
>>71052245
Jon Snow already had a battle plan, he acted on emotion, and stupidly. I thought this was obvious? His plan was to have the Boltons charge their center and to have trenches around their flanks. They were expecting their center to buckle kind of like at the battle of cannae and I think the plan was to have them surrounded.
They couldn't flank them with shitty cav numbers anyway, its hard to flank when you're outnumbered. If you're talking about the boltons cavalry how were they supposed to flank when they cavalry already charging them?
>>71052404
when the Stark calvary was already charging them*
I sure am glad that the Good Guys beat the Bad Guys in the epic battle, it's the sort of thing I love about the show so much.
>>71052482
well people would eventually stop watching the show if the good guys got their shit kicked in all the time
>>71052336
Bro, 300 was fucking awesome. Are you deficient in testosterone or something?
>>71051998
>"Since the silent era"
>is clearly wrong about this
>"CONTRARIANS!!!!!"
No it's just facts. This isn't even a matter of opinion.
>>71051998
Yeah, /tv/ is totally not a plebbit pos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQXdzdEx0h4
>The shooting of the battle itself began on 25
August 1963 – its 151st anniversary by the Julian Calendar. 13,500 soldiers and 1,500 horsemen substituted for the historical armies. Several reports in the Western press have put the number of soldiers who participated at 120,000; however, in an interview to National Geographic in 1986, when asked "did he really use 120,000 soldiers for the battle of Borodino?", Bondarchuk answered: "that is exaggeration, all I had was 12,000
>>71052336
>He didn't like 300
fag detected
>>71052582
/tv/ is totally not a plebbit pos
>/tv/ is not plebbit.
pHAHAHAEHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>71052578
you triggered m8?
>>71052625
>Gets triggered when wrong
>call others triggered
ok
>>71052331
>Double team phalanx
Christ that sounds retarded, I don't watch the show but why couldn't they go with some type of Saxon shield wall? Are they being stupid on porpoise?
>>71051714
>Biggest battle on television since the silent television era
>>71052404
>I can't read: the post
Jon Snow's plan was to rush the fuck out of that shit.
He wasn't even able to tell Davos "shoot under any circumstance" or at least something like a plan B. Instead of giving him instructions, he gave Davos the "charge" button.
>sending archers that didn't shoot even one arrow into melee
Was that his plan?
>His plan was to have the Boltons charge their center and to have trenches around their flanks
What center? What trenches?
You literally just saw two cavalry units charging at each other without any forethought, and every other type of unit following into the meatgrinder.
Literally no plan.
Like I said - one of them would send an obligatory line of infantry with pikes and take down the enemy cavalry, then start flanking the shit out of that.
>They couldn't flank them with shitty cav numbers anyway, its hard to flank when you're outnumbered
I was talking about Bolton.
>If you're talking about the boltons cavalry how were they supposed to flank when they cavalry already charging them
By sending infantry first and watching the situation.
>>71052595
Video is blocked.
>>71052572
>>71052612
I secretly love 300 but I am ashamed to admit it.
It's pretty shitty 2bh
>>71052701
I don't think you watched the episode correctly. The plan before the battle was exactly how I outlined it in my post. When Bolton psychologically manipulated him into trying to save his brother, there was no choice but for his army to charge with him. Tactically it was ridiculous, and it was a bad move, but again, like I said, he remitted his previous plans given the emotional butthurt he was in.
>>sending archers that didn't shoot even one arrow into melee
>Was that his plan?
They were already in battle and shooting arrows pointlessly into your own ranks like Bolton wasn't going to cut it for them. They just charged to help their comrades. Davos and Snow had an abstract plan already detailed on paper before the battle, but shit just went awry.
>>71052682
They are just retarded, im at the point where i watch this only for memes
>>71052663
>gets triggered for being called triggered
>call others triggered
Its like triggerception. See how this works, champ?
>>71051429
Of all the things I enjoyed about Rome, Marc Antony in this scene was not one of them. Its not true that you just "let the battle happen, time to get some brunch". You'd be issuing orders through your commanders in a courier chain, and I would've enjoyed seeing Antony and Octavian showing their skills.
This was the most awesome TV episode battle I have seen. 1 single episode that looked like it was made for a high budget movie. There was so much attention to detail and so much going on. It filled every frame with something interesting and different.
>>71052245
This.
>Charge most valuable part of army head on into the combat
>Mow them down with own archers
>Keep part of army most suitable for dealing with Calvary in reserve until the convenient wall of corpses.
Pottery.
>>71052682
It is retarded. Hoplite formations didn't have tower shields, because the combatants wouldn't be able to fucking see, especially with the person carrying the shield not having the fucking pike.
But it wasn't a hoplite formation, it was an abstract shield wall/roman strategy thing that wouldn't work, because the second you got past the spear points, everyone is so blind you can just keep killing people behind a shield and the spears become useless. Those tower shields were so comically large, there's no way anyone could see to defend themselves.
>>71052987
>hi I'm 12 the post
>>71052869
>The plan before the battle was exactly how I outlined it in my post
Wait, wait, wait... the plan was to lure out the enemy that had more units that were better equipped, better trained and were better organised into a battle in an open field?
Literally what?
And anyone wonders why the Starks are near fucking extinct?
>there was no choice but for his army to charge with him
I was not talking about Jon's army.
Ramsay is not enough of a stupid fuck to send cavalry against cavalry. He had pavise-equipped units with spears/pikes. You send that against cavalry, while covering archer units that shoot down the front lines of the cavalry. Jesus Christ, that's just basic stuff.
>They were already in battle and shooting arrows pointlessly into your own ranks like Bolton wasn't going to cut it for them
They had several opportunities to utilise their archers.
>during the charge, when they could've sent the arrows as far as possible, not putting Jon at risk
>during the first clash, obviously as far as possible, avoiding probably 99% of their own units
>when the initial meatgrinder phase came to and end
Also
>sending archers into melee
Literally just a waste of good soldiers.
>Davos and Snow had an abstract plan already detailed on paper before the battle
I imagine the plan involved charging everything right away?
I'm just sitting here cringing at you guys applying modern or medieval tactics to what is clearly supposed to be an anglo-saxon/briton setting. This was pretty accurate to tactics, guys, minus the part of Ramsay not sitting in his castle and withstanding a seige.
>>71053365
I don't know why I bother
>>71050461
bondarchuk's Waterloo has like 5 times the amount of battle participants.
>>71053365
>anglo-saxon/briton setting
Oh, I didn't know the bastards had extra chromosomes and hooked teeth.
>All the armchair medieval tacticians in this thread
>>71052701
thank god you're not in control of people
>>71053337
It's as if you don't remember this scene at all
>>71053482
I'll give you $50 for it.
>>71053570
>yeah guys
>so we got those stones
>and we will do this and that
>uh
>wait
>what are we going to do again?
>ah, we need more troops
>so will this work at all or nah?
>anyway, who cares?
>plot armor ftw
Literally.
They had no fucking plan.
>>71053566
>thank god someone that puts actual thought into strategy isn't in control of people
Really, thank God.
>>71053482
You could say that to whoever plans out GoT's battles too.
And fucking GRRM.
>>71053875
Just stop watching the show jesus christ, do yourself a favor. Oh wait you want to watch it for the "memes."
That's right lmao.
>>71053482
Even a retard would be able to see that there were no tactics involved in that whole battle.
>>71050461
hold on second everybody.
is this bane in the picture there?
>>71053482
contrary to the armchair medieval tacticians on the show?
>>71053482
it would have been nice to see something a bit more reasonable
i know ramsay mowed down his own troops because they still haven't finished showing us how bad a guy he is
i know jon had to let family and honour get in the way of doing the smart thing because hes a stark
i know wun wun had to die because hes too op
but shit man, the bastards both did their best to lose this battle
>what is not throwing away your advantage
>what is not charging head on into anything
>what the fuck is that pike/shield wall thing
>>71051827
Arrows
>>71053931
>Oh wait you want to watch it for the "memes."
And what's wrong with that? The fight scenes are shit and historically inaccurate, the battle scenes are shit and historically inaccurate (although I got a boner when the Vale cavalry came in), and the characters got so deformed from what they've originally been, that it's not worth taking seriously, especially with the "stronk wymyn" theme going on right now.
And the books have better bantz.
>That's right lmao.
Hear, hear, the "Jon Snow had a plan" guy is talking!
>>71053916
>>71054010
You aren't an armchair tactician if you're just writing fantasy battle schlock where the good guys are led by a resurrected warrior chosen by god or whatever that is clearly built around being dramatic.
You're an armchair tactician when you sit around dissecting battle strategy in fantasy battles while using untested logic and theorycraft picked up maybe from cursory reading of historical battles.
>>71054200
Ah, I'm glad you made up a definition by yourself, good to know what anon defines as armchair tactician.
>>71053951
0/10 go back to r3ddit
>>71054315
Not him but explain some shit. Literally no one in this thread is doing that.
>>71050461
it was a good battle
sometimes they went a bit too much on the shaky side but overall i think it was good
jon trapped under those people was fucking claustrophobic
>>71050461
>tactics: 4/10
>feel of the thing : 10/10
>violence and gore 10/10
>the way it was shot 10/10
I think it was great, not as good as the one where they fight at the Wall but good nonetheless.
>>71054307
It's clearly a pejorative term, despite what you want to believe. You would call every fantasy and sci-fi writer an "armchair _____" with whatever material they're writing about, but you don't.
It warms my heart to see someone as naive or as autistic as you who thinks arguing semantics works in conversational settings.
>>71054315
I rate that battle meatgrinder/10.
No tactics involved. It's like you'd throw a bunch of chicken into a meatgrinder.
Same shit.
>>71054353
nobodys gonna feed your shitty autistic 0/10 troll just go back to r3ddit
might as well just fucking lotr eagle post with how low level these redditor "discussions" are.
>the pile of bodies stacking 8 feet high
Fucking despised Ramsey but what a hell of a character and battle...
>>71054452
good to know your heart is warmed by being pretentious in a dead thread lol
>>71052245
The Lord of Light is with Jon
>>71054200
>while using untested logic and theorycraft picked up maybe from cursory reading of historical battles
Jesus Christ, motherfucker, you just have to read up on the battle of Grunwald to get the idea that:
>cavalry distracting and flanking opponent = good
>cavalry destroying archery units first = good
>long wooden rods with metal attached to them are good against cavalry
>cavalry against cavalry is a bad idea, unless you have heavy cavalry
This is not untested logic and theorycraft. It's literally written on pages of history books and sealed in centuries-old documents.
>>71054480
>ask for an explanation
>lel r3bbit hahah
So you can't give any you fucking sperg, can you?
>>71054537
>being pretentious
>thinking the people writing paragraphs about stuff they don't know about are retarded
>lol
And you're still responding.
>>71054616
>le why didnt the eagles just lift rickon up and drop him in jonnyboytbhs arms
make a good post for once and maybe someone will actually respond.
fucking entitled redditor.
>>71054617
still trying way too hard
>>71054668
I told you I'm not him.
He said >>71053951
And you said >>71054315
What were the tactics involved lad? Explain and I'll listen
>>71054688
>that jpg
>>71054719
>>71053570
watch this scene again
>>71054688
>it's another "I'm detached and above this" post with a reaction image despite repeated responses
Start throwing around the word "bait" next.
>>71054719
>>What were the tactics involved lad?
lol what a lil guy, rewatch it and actually pay attention this time instead of filling out captchas and crying cause you dont know whats going on.
1/10 for getting me to respond. now go back to r3ddit kiddo
>>71052701
Im not even the guy your arguing with, but really man try watching the episode before weighing in on this stuff.
>>71054766
dont feed the redditors
>>71054769
>>71054766
They never come into play during the fight scene. The entire battle was
>cavalry charge head to head
>Bolton arrow volleys
>then the wildlings and Davos charge
>then the rest of the Boltons
>somehow nobody noticed the schiltrons on their left and right literally surrounding them
It was mediocre. The battle was good but the tactics were fucking retarded
>>71054900
>what were the tactics involved
I explained
>they never come into play
that was the fucking point, Jon acted like a retard
>>71055013
So you agree that the battle was just one ugly idiotic clusterfuck with barely TW series-tier tactics?
I mean I liked it, but both commanders were retarded
>Ramsay not having reinforcements
>not having a small scouting force to see if the Starks don't try to send a couple hundred good men to take winterfell while he's fighting them in the field
>that would have noticed the huge ass cavalry troop coming to destroy him
>>71054897
only a redditor would save this picture
this latest invasion is fucking garbage, I would rather the mexican autist posting about justing
>>71055013
It was feeding into Sansa acting like she knew what she was talking about
>YOU DON'T KNOW HIM
>obviously she's right and Sansa looks smugly
When infact it should have been like
>YOU DON'T KNOW HIM
>everything plays out completely fine because Ramsey shouldn't be a military strategist, and is obviously the one that isn't able to keep his head on straight
>>71055095
>So you agree that the battle was just one ugly idiotic clusterfuck with barely TW series-tier tactics?
No no the battle was fine, the tactics were not. The battle was done correctly because they were trying to show that Snow fucked up. Your arguments were more like the fact that people who produced the show didn't know how to show a battle with tactics at all. Which is stupid, the point was that they had a plan and then Snow fucked it up. If you did any research on the show, you'd know that they did their research.
>>71054897
>the implication that posting in a thread means that the person is incapable of reading or posting in other threads simultaneously
>anon has no effect on the thread
>despite the fact an entire conversation was generated around his post
Damn dude, you must have dug deep in your image folder for that shitty picture.
>>71054831
>Jon Snow had a plan
>too bad it went down the shitter
Is that what you want me to say?
As a bookfag, the Danny Dragon scenes were so satisfying. Flashes of Aegon come again. Sucks it took them 6 minutes to burn one ship though.
>That fucking corpse wall
There have been tons of battle throughout human history with many more combatants but there was never a battle where the casualties piled up on their own on an open battlefield.
>>71055303
>produced the show didn't know how to show a battle with tactics at all. Which is stupid, the point was that they had a plan and then Snow fucked it up
So what was the plan?
What were the tactics?
figures the latest thing the autistics are whining about this week is "muh tactics", its perfect because their autism doesnt let them see why they abandoned their "tactics". These redditors are actually so autistic they cant understand simple scenes like with Rickon.
>>71055551
I also cannot believe they didn't think of a way to saddle the dragon or something, she should have fallen off like a hundred times during that sequence.
>>71055551
>As a bookfag, the Danny Dragon scenes were so satisfying.
Poor baiting or simply lying.
>>71054104
>The fight scenes are shit and historically inaccurate, the battle scenes are shit and historically inaccurate
It's almost as if Game Of Thrones isn't actually real and is in fact, a television show.
>>71055654
>I'm going to pretend to be trolling now, whereas earlier I was actually serious, but then I got my retardation revealed, now I shall pretend to troll. Ah yes, the perfect plan, ah yes, he's replying that means I got him, hehehee
>>71052885
I was confused when watching this, it looked likr Rickon was far enough a way that to hiy him you would need to angle your shot pretty high to hit him bit the arrow just came straight through his back. At the time I was confused I thought it looked like someone else had shot rickon either neared by or with a crossbow.
>>71055744
>things shouldn't be realistic or logical because its a television show
>>71055679
>hey, you know what, let us die because the stupid illegitimate bastard that has no political pull is trying to be Rambo
Hurr hurr hurr, so much drama, so much sense, oh my.
>>71055744
Laws of logic still apply tho. You still cut a man with a knife, shit still stinks and idiots do get encircled by a phalanx formation.
>>71055825
>stupid illegitimate bastard that has no political pull is trying to be Rambo
0/10 you definitely are a redditor
pay attention kiddo
>>71055786
I'm not that guy, though, anon.
I'm just another one asking what tactics were involved in the whole battle, since you clearly know what you're talking about.
Or perhaps you actually don't?
>>71050461
>This is the biggest battlescene anyone's done since the silent era
>>71055900
next time dont take your hot pocket break when they are literally having a scene dedicated to the tactics for the upcoming battle.
suck a dick.
>>71055551
I just can't stand her fucking posture, it is so obviously she is not apt to be in battle or riding the dragons like a warrior, its even worse when they try to force her as stronk womyin.
That is different for ryckon's sister though.
>>71055883
>reddit currently creaming itself over that battle scene
>reddit currently overexaggerating every little detail to fit their theories
>reddit currently looking for some abstract depth in simple concepts
>somehow I - the one that didn't like the scene - am reddit
Nice to meet you, Mr. Reddit.
>>71056020
go back to r3ddit kiddo you arent welcome here
I think the biggest let down was not seeing Jon call Ramsey a bastard and seeing him for once actually show an emotion other than edgelord and smirking.
>but he's l-l-legitimate
who gives a fuck, he still salty and Jon should know it.
>>71055744
Sooo, why do they fight with swords? And why do they sharpen their swords?
It's almost as if the show is based on medieval times... huh, makes you wonder, doesn't it?
>>71052885
>he made it read from right to left
Weeb as fuck faggot
>>71056020
>Knows every little thought and thread that is currently happening on plebbit
hmmmmm maybe you should go back.
>>71055988
So what were their tactics, jimbo?
You watched it with such care to detail, you must know everything, I'm sure.
>>71052336
>not liking 300
Opinion discarded, it's pure swordkino
>>71056105
>>71056059
So, how do you recognise a redditor? Oh... must be one yourselves.
>>71055786
Sounds like your average autistic to me
>>71055823
Yes that is and has been the point of cinema and television fiction from the start. But now back disregard that just so you can feel smart by pointing out the obvious since you want to shit on GoT but have no concept about anything pertaining to movie/tv production.
>>71056242
when you and your faggot redditor buddies come over an ruin threads all the time its quite fucking obvious
ive never been to mudslime places but I would know when a fucking mudslime is destroying my neighborhood.
Retarded OP aside, this's been the best battle scene in all of GoT by a country mile, what's everyone sperging on about?
>>71056145
maybe rewatch the scene LITERALLY dedicated to tactics
2/10 for keeping the bit going.
>>71051374
THINK OF ENGLAND MEN
THINK OF
BTFO
>>71056330
Its reddit desperately trying to fit in with the whole autistic nitpicking /tv/ posting but they are new so they arent very good at it
The mountains of bodies felt kinda silly
>>71056145
The tactics were to let ramsay charge first with his horses so that the they could thin out the mounted knights first with the arrows
Also to dig trenches around the sides so that Ramsay and his horses wouldn't break formation and attack from the sides which would fuck the wildlings up.
Basically creating a choke point of bodies
>>71050461
>all those retards charging in without helmets and shields
>john without the plot armor he would died from the first arrow spree which was hitting everything expect him
>and what's the deal with sansa not telling them "hey I can get help wait for me"
what a retarded battle
>>71056330
>in all of GoT
Did you forget the one at the Wall?
>>71056330
after the 36th shot of someone getting killed it got boring fast
>>71052578
You got triggered by a fucking meme you dipshit.
>>71056434
he missed that scene cause he was getting yelled at by his mommee for leaving a piss jar open in the kitchen cupboard.
>>71056078
I was sure he was going to say it when they parted
>In the morning then, bastard.
>In the morning, bastard
"legitimate"
Exactly, only in name. He still knew he was a bastard.
>>71056354
>>71051714
You realize Game of Shits has more budget than most movies, right? Like, this season alone probably cost more than the Lord of the Rings.
>>71056323
>when you and your faggot redditor buddies come over an ruin threads all the time its quite fucking obvious
Oh, and here I thought that you sucking D&D's dicks for that episode was plebbit-tier behavior.
Such a surprise.
>>71056464
>>and what's the deal with sansa not telling them "hey I can get help wait for me"
I have no idea what's going on there.
>we need more men!
>we've got all the men we can get, there isnt anyone else to join us
>(i've asked for more men but i won't tell him)
>>71056465
Admittedly, the windscreen wipers were pretty good but the cavalry charge at the end was pants.
This one's John sequence between his horse being downed and the redbeard showing up was pretty visceral, anti-arrow magical cloak notwithstanding.
>>71050461
How the fuck did the wildlings end up getting corralled like this? Who the fuck were they fighting that made them get surrounded and crowding themselves? Did we even see Davos after he charged in with the impotent archers?
>>71056434
>tactics
>oh look, the bastard without political pull is going to be killed by cavalry
>uh
>so we charge in, roight?
>oh look, we have archers
>but don't use them
>no, we are Canadian, we can't fight that way
>trenches
>so, guys, do you think we can make trenches ALL around the area?
>you know... in case the Boltons could have a few additional cavalry units hidden somewhere, ready to strike from the sides or behind
Really? Seems like kingergarden to me.
>>71052701
What a fucking retard do you even listen to dialogue? I guess it's probably easier to just watch the pretty pictures and tune it out
>>71056782
Yeah, I mean, in the end they utilised all their genius plans that included complicated tactics... right?
kek
And yet it looked fucking tiny, and the "tactics" made it laughably bad.
I don't get how it could be a bigger battlescene than the ones from various Waterloo depictions.
>>71054104
>historically inaccurate
...you do realize this isn't a documentary right? Like, this stuff didn't actually happen my dude.
Lol how high do you even have to be to think this shit is real
>simple yet dumb well shot battle scene
>autists argue about it for hours
>>71051714
>This is the biggest battlescene anyone's done since the silent era, in technical terms ... It's not what you're used to seeing. I don't know when someone last did a kino with a gorillion extras and a bunch of horses in a real environment
goal post
>>71052885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJV202TpGrY
>>71050461
for tv or film?
For TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mel9s2IXKHg
for movies, Waterloo
>>71050461
Nothing will ever be as good as Braveheart. Too bad many of you youngfaggots didnt get to see it in Kinema
>>71056772
Do you want a fucking diagram or something its a bloody mainstream show not some historical document, holy fuck kill yourself autist
>>71050461
> Hasn't seen Kingdom Of Heaven
Pleb
Stupid shit in this episode:
The dragons hovering still and shooting extremely bad CGI flames. They should have been flying around setting everything ablaze.
The fucking mountains of dead bodies. Wow..
>>71058169
She wanted the ships, she's not going to burn them all when a statement will do.
This junk triggered me just as much as the end battle in ROTK did... i mean how in the flying fuck can you let yourself get surrounded like that by a neat fucking circle? Why do they just stand by and let them. I mean sure, i'm not expecting tactics, but that's just so fucking retarded i dont know where to begin.
>>71057176
>autists argue about it for hours
i'm not sure what you expected
>>71058267
I guess you're right. The flames still looked fucking terrible though.
>>71054435
>the way it was shot 10/10
>fast cuts
>adhd camera
pls kill yourself
>>71058405
You know this kind of stuff happened in real life, right?
I think in the end, the real question is why you fucking people still watch this trash show when no one here seems able to actually muster anything positive to say about it
>>71054200
what im most upset is that ramsays phalanx doesn't turtle up against the cavalry charge from cia
AND THAT RAMSAY JUST FUCKING HAS A PHALANX FOR SOME REASON
>Those stupid big corpse mountains that get so big they become a strategic element even though they are not enough people for them
>letting yourself get "suddenly" and "slowly" encircled
Why did Ramsey even bother with a shield wall? He mowed down Stannis with a single cavalry charge. Was his cavalry actually gone after the first wave?
>>71058807
It's like an old friend that was cool once but is now a huge fuck-up and you still hope that he'll get his shit together.
>Not giving the giant a weapon of any kind
>Lets just have him flail for half the fight and pull one guy apart
Die mfk Die
http://youtu.be/i8LivWPrpA0
>>71051827
They came from the people dying during the battle, perhaps you missed that?
>>71059315
Do you even know how many people are necessary to form a 10ft pile of bodies that is also 100ft wide?
>>71059471
Several thousand, the exact number of people whom actually died.
Nearly the entire Bolton & Stark cavalry, men and horses are in that pile.
They clashed, men died. Bolton archers shot them all, men died, all in the space of those piles.
>>71050461
IIRC the soviet version of war and peace had THE largest battle segment ever
>>71060362
>Two cavalries clash and die in a small space smaller than a baseball field on a completely open unconfined battlefield.
There should be thousands of dead but everybody should still have enough space around him. A 100x100 m field has enough area to let 5000 men lie side by side with wiggle room. And 100x100 m is a small area on a huge open battlefield.
They had a shouting match where he tells her to get off his back because he knows he doesn't have enough men and that he's just got to make due with it.
He had no idea about the Vale. Of course, it's still retarded that nobody in his camp thought to consider where the Vale stood considering the family ties, as severed as they were, but still.
Sansa intentionality let thousands die and smirked when Jon was facing certain doom. She knew. If she though they'd lose, she would have prepared herself for sudoku
>>71061135
they could have just used a hill instead of a immense pile of corpses, but it was grim atleast and kind of cool.
>>71060362
Care to tell us why more and more kept climbing onto the pile?
Face it, it was just made to look edgy and "cool."
Scene from directors cut on CD release.
Sansa: If you charge Bolton's troops will you die?
>It would be extremely Painful.
Sansa: You've got a BIG army.
> For you.
>>71050461
>>71050493
>>71050531
>>71051714
>>71052102
>>71054897
>Anon isn't allowed to have sth bad to say about things he like
This is why you will get cucked by all the women in your life
>>71061618
>Anon isn't allowed to have sth bad to say about things he like
>>71060362
Yeah the moment Ramsay butchered his own cavalry was when he lost
He should have used his infantry as fodder and not his cavalry, anyone supporting Jon could have come around that hill with cavalry and easily killed his remaining army of infantry, which they did
Using the cavalry as fodder was retarded because they're way more useful in battle
>>71056621
Not per hour of screentime
This season cost $120 mill for 10 hours. LotR 3 had a budget of $115 mill for 3 hours if you adjust for inflation
GoT6 = $12m per hour
LotR3 = $40m per hour
It's a fucking C-list movie.
>>71060362
>Everyone who died was in that pile.
>Soldiers of both sides clamoured stop the pile at various stages of its growth to fight and die
>even at 8ft high, a height of human bodies deeply prohibitive to clamouring over and fighting atop they continued to do this
It would have been more believable if Ramsay was roaming the battlefield in a bulldozer shovelling them into place.
>>71062159
"King of The Hill" is an ancient and venerable staple of battlefield tactics, you fool.
I have to say the writing has been utter shit this season and this episode was no exception.
>>71061825
this
Why did Ramsey even bother with a shield wall? He mowed down Stannis with a single cavalry charge. Was his cavalry actually gone after the first wave?
Ramsey is a fucking retard, he should have split his cavalry in order to flank Jon's infantry and archers while making way for Jon's cavalry to let them get shot by his archers and the rest gets stopped by his shieldwall.
>>71051461
it was a italian/soviet-production,most of those soldiers are russian conscripts
>>71051973
>>>/cinéma/
>303 AL
>not fighting on top of a stack of corpses so you can die in a big pile with all your bros
It's just one of those battles women will never understand
the piles of corpses looked cool at first but those wide shots were hilarious. massive walls of bodies confined to a small area
>>71051714
when the fuck did television have a silent era?
Who's job was it to pile bodies on top of each other to form a wall while everyone around is fighting?
>>71052482
this is how i felt - no tension or danger..what the fuck?
>>71056059
you fuckers with the reddit boogeyman need to lurk moar and fuck off with you fallacies
as dumb as reddit is, its false that anything they say is complete shit
>>71058695
[citation needed for the scenario in which one has fucking giants]
>>71062367
thats an actual hill you mongoloid, not an unstable pile of bodies
>>71057049
Tactics are universal, you fucking dipshit.
If you are so keen on saying "it didn't happen", then why aren't they fighting with giant fucking forks?
>>71057858
Medieval tactics are literally this:
>don't be retarded
And that's it.
Being a mainstream show doesn't excuse it from having literal retard-tier presentation.
>>71056078
I bet calling Ramsay ''Lord Snow'' would trigger him
>no one in this thread understands the OP is Nolan copypasta
>>71050513
>>71050461
The battle scene in Spartacus from 1960 had 9000 soldiers from the Spanish army, complete with formations, horses, amputations, and men on fire. It's an great part of an incredible movie, watch the extended cut.
So there's like 10000 people there and yet people are finding on piles of corpses 10 minutes in
>>71052336
just watched it and holy shit this was the worst part, a fucking mountian of corpses 20 feet high magically appears and ramsays men start sliding down it on their arses
>>71054020
Salsa arriving with the troops she conveniently neglected to tell Jon about and then totally failing to like just stop Ramsay getting back inside the fucking castle
Shit.. no wonder there was a pile of broken bodies in the aftermath. Bane was on point
>>71061495
>the arryn banner is a sigil that looks like a bird crashing into a U, leaving no survivors
>the vale cavalry charges into the U-shaped Bolton spearwall, leaving no survivors
>>71051597
>pg-13 poor CGI fest is somehow better
nigger what?
>>71062135
Good post.
>>71051374
Was it a good idea for the French cavalry to charge the British position obscured behind a hill?
I'd sayNey
>>71051597
>epic battles
>horses run into CGI orcs, knocking them down and killing them instantly without getting injured or even stopping
>the riders just yell and swing their axes around in the air a bit
>>71051374
Was the score from a fucking cartoon?
>>71050461
bane?
>>71067647
pleb
>>71052578
>writing non-b8 replies in one of the most obvious b8 threads since the shitposting era
Mate...
>>71056621
>it's an anon doesn't know what he's talking about episode
>>71056078
when he got the shit beat out of him he started off smirky but then became scared
>>71056411
It's accurate, it often happened during medieval and 16th century battles after failed cavalry charges or after a push of pike
anyone got a webm of the quick scene where he hits a guy charging at him on a horse and the guy flies backwards like 20 feet?
>>71068630
Saw that too. Most retarded shit I've ever seen
>>71063360
>>71052482
Yes, but since GoT still has some of it's magic with ruthlessness, you weren't really sure who was going to survive. Ramsay had to lose anyway, because if he didn't, the Northern storyline would've jammed for another fucking season and that if something would have been shit.
But what about the fear of Davos dying? The fear of Tormund dying? The hope/fear of Jon dying? That's why it was one of the best episodes of the series, certainly the best episode of the last two seasons.
>>71068577
There were way too few men in this scene to build such high mountains. It was just stupid.
>>71061135
>>71063727
In medieval battles it wasn't uncommon to have actual piles of bodies on the battlefield. This was because of pikemen fighting and getting entangled in each other (push of pike) when two enemy cavalries charged each other, or when cavalry charged a line of pikemen (which is dumb and didn't happen often though)
Of course it was a bit exaggerated, but it's a fucking tv show
>>71050553
That's not how you play Jeopardy you stupid twit
>>71050461
This battle... I've watched it twice but I still don't know how or why the events in it happened, they seem to be disconnected and divorced from all reality.
I'll try and describe what I remember but it's like describing a fever dream;
>Jon Snow charges ahead after seeing his brother die, archers shoot his horse and he falls to the ground
>Ramsey's cavalry charges him
>Suddenly even though Jon was much closer to the Bolton lines than his own Jon's cavalry shows up and smashed into the enemy cavalry saving him
>Jon runs around for a while killing men with his sword
>Suddenly Jon and all his troops are surrounded by a Bolton phalanx with huge shields in a circular formation with one side partially open, the logistics behind this are impossible to understand given just a moment ago it was a chaotic clash in the middle of a field but i just accepted it
>The phalanx forces Jon's troops back towards the open side, the open side is a huge mountain of dead troops(!?) like an enormous fucking wall of dead. Who stacked them? How did it get there? How is this possible?
>Jon's troops try to climb the wall of dead but suddenly the Karstarks show up at the top of the wall and start killing people
>The Karstark leader jumps down from the wall into Jon's troops and starts fighting Jon but a bunch of people runs into them and they get separated
>A bunch of guys fall on top of Jon and he can't breath and he's just trying to beathe and get out from under them while hes being crushed
>The Karstark guy grabs Tormund since he can't find Jon and just starts headbutting Tormund over and over and over again
>Jon finally manages to get out from under the crowd, he pops up basically in the middle of a mosh pit surrounded by a packed crowd from all sides he cant even move and just looks around and sees all his friends being killed like that scene in saving private ryan
>after that CIA shows up and Ramsey's entire army dies in five seconds
My head is spinning.
>>71051374
>are you fags even trying? Waterloo had literally thousands of extras.
Fucking implying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgywD3XJaWU
That long shot of Jon fighting was fucking beautiful. Almost redeemed this season
>>71062135
Not just that, but also think about the limited time frame. You can see a lot of fuck ups in the last two seasons especially that mainly happened because of obvious time constraints. Honestly, I'd say the time pressure is by far the biggest problem with GoT (and probably the one thing that keeps TV productions down).
Is there any other film or show that have battle scenes with the same level of immersiveness and chaos that's depicted in this episode? Saving Private Ryan comes to mind but I can't think of anything that intense that takes place in a pre-modern setting.
>>71069192
That fucking noob boxing
>>71069627
Lone Survivor is pretty much a single drawn out visceral firefight.
What was up with these walls of piled up bodies? I don't understand when/how/why they started to form, it's like there is an hour of fighting we don't see or something.
How can bodies pile like that, in such a steep shape? Is it just because they didn't have enough bolton actors to go full circle around them?
>>71069159
>>after that CIA shows up and Ramsey's entire army dies in five seconds
this was the most bullshit part. I know budget and time constraints but splitting this battle over two episodes and building tension would have been better. They spent all that fucking time on Jaime and Blackfish, which could have been resolved in 8 minutes. The pacing of the stories are retarded
Is this actually what happens? Do walls of corpses that high actually form?
>>71070173
>Do walls of corpses that high actually form?
Piled up next to a wall of a castle? just maybe
in a fucking open field? absolutely retarded
>>71070173
in short, yes
Someone post the image with the spoilers.
>>71069417
I'm just glad we finally get to see Jon actually being a badass swordsman.
Dude offed at least 10 Boltons single-handedly.
>>71070881
>being a badass swordsman.
I can't take him seriously knowing he's a manlet
Every scene he's in the same frame with Sansa is comedy gold
I don't know why you guys are autisming so hard over this.
Jon challenged Ramsay to 1v1 combat to, as was said, create dissent in Ramsay's ranks if he refused and sat in his castle. Ramsay knew this and needed to assault the Stark forces in order to prevent any schisms or coups in the northern forces he commanded.
Ramsay's counter to this, knowing Jon wanted to lure him out into an area with trenches and such, was Rickon. He knew that Jon, being a Stark, would do anything to try and rescue the last true born son of his father. Remember, Ramsay's entire strategy has been to fuck with people mentally. So he murders Rickon in front of Jon which goads him into charging as Ramsay planned because....well he let his emotional guard down.
The Stark strategy at this point is to sustain themselves in a berserker charge. Ramsay expected this, waiting for the battlefield to be littered with dead and the Stark forces fully committed before he sends forward his spear wall to encircle, just like at Cannae.
Baelish knew that he'd be at the battle before Sansa even fucking does anything- see the scene with Sweet Robin and Bronze Yohn. He knew that with the battle going on, it was his best chance to add the north to his pocket and possibly marry Sansa in order to give a blood tie between Vale and North. So his cavalry was coming regardless. We don't know the exact route, but it somehow managed to avoid appearing as though it was endangering the Bolton army. The cavalry charges and no-one knows what is happening until they're splitting to mow down Ramsay's men like bowling balls.
I don't get why people keep saying there were no tactics. There were. Jon had tactics laid out, Ramsay laid out his own to manipulate Jon's, and Baelish even had his own. You're literally contrarian shitposting if you think there wasn't a clear exchange of stratagems in the battle. You guys would be complaining even if there dynasty warrior tier quintuple surprise attacks per battle.
>>71071345
Jesus now that someone has put it into words it's such shitty writing
>He expecteted this
>But wait he also expected this!
>But then it was all according to plan
>>71071481
Do you have legitimate autism? Expecting someone to do something based on who they are and past experiences isn't "le ruse XDDD" tier.
Jon knows Ramsay rules through fear and can't appear a pussy behind walls.
Ramsay knows Jon is an honorfag so he muders his brother to goad him.
Littlefinger knows the battle is his best chance to leave himself and his puppet Sansa as the true power in the North.
It's just really not that hard to understand.
>>71051827
From all the dying soldiers. Quit staring at your phone and pay attention.
>>71071345
I don't think people are saying there was no tactics.
They are saying the whole battle was like an acid trip that made no sense. A crazy fucking disjointed dream.
doesn't even compare to the battle scene in ran. wait for the behind the scenes stuff and you'll realise just how much digital wizardry they did. i bet that tracking shot of jon looks fucking dull without all the cavalry and arrows and blood they added in post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA9P1VRTxIY
good by tv standards but shit by film standards.
>>71071651
No it just sounds like plot from a bad anime
it almost touched the level of an episode from season 3 spartacus.
>>71070173
It's possible
>>71050461
you are a big battle.
>hate fedora warriors
>get stoned af
>queue into le tactician
>rope him every turn
> win by rag to face
>a recent opponent would like to be my friend
>respond with *tanks up* to all he says
Is it time to kill myself?
