Is Disney paying critics? I'm not necessarily saying "Make a good review or you're fired" but are they having their subsidiaries like ABC only publish positive reviews for Disney movies, and negative reviews for the competition?
I honestly can't wrap my head around any other explanation. How else could Disney be the only ones getting good reviews?
>is one of the the biggest and most corrupt companies paying critics?
It was bound to happen eventually
Once media became consolidated one company would get rich enough to buy off anyone
thanks, Clinton
This is what i call the "The Scientist Who Wants Fame From His Personal Work"
The journalist probably don't get paid too much, but they are bought with the idea that if they review the thing well enough, they would get more known or better fame
So to do this he has to something that the filmmakers will like so he gets a better position next time
This gives to some herd mentality indeed
>it's a "I hate that critics loved the movie I hated" thread
>>71034128
Critics dont matter in the age of the internet
>>71034128
>2016
>critics
![armondwhite090223_250[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RHBZllZ.jpg "armondwhite090223_250[1].jpg")
Let's ask Armond.
Basically Disney indoctrinated a generation of manchildren and the company has them by the balls.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435036/captain-america-superheroes-dumbed-down
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428730/star-wars-demystified
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436732/finding-dory-political-indoctrination-pixar
> It's a " I cant accept a movie being critically acclaimed so obviously the critics were bought off " episode
So I take it you're just going to ignore Alice 2's reviews and Disney's other tentpoles that have lost money over the last few years.
>>71034219
With RT they arguably matter more than ever.
>>71036163
those are explained away as being on purpose so people don't suspect anything
This turd of a movie deserves the same score as Warcraft.
It has similarly pretty visuals with similarly cringeworthy, idiotic dialogue.
its worse than that.
See disney has time travelers.
They went back in time and gave george lucas a partial frontal lobotomy and caused him to make the worst trilogy ever, which caused people to think anything that wasn't as bad was great.
>>71036577
>"explained away"
you mean ignored right?
>>71033971
>Is Disney paying critics?
yes
>>71036954
that is what "explained away" typically means, yes.
>every crazy theory is valid except that the movie was actually pretty good: the thread
>>71033971
No. They've just got all this nailed down to a formula.
And besides, they've already done two movies this year that were critical flops.
>>71033971
It's not direct bribery so much as implied compensation.
For example, Disney will not only invite critics to an exclusive prescreening, but will give every attendee bags of goodies, free drinks and an afterparty with more food and drink.
If you give a bad review, you won't get invited to the next one.
They don't literally deposit money into your account every time you write a good review of one of their films, it's more of a mutual back-scratching arrangement.
It's for this reason that studios and distributors should be forbidden from hosting media screenings.
>>71037255
and you know this how?? goddamn it always gets my sides going when /tv/ thinks they know things
>>71037255
Disney didn't screen The Force Awakens for critics.
Have you ever considered that maybe TFA was good and the Prequels sucked dick?
>>71037428
>TFA good
>>71037428
I've seen the movie. It's worse than the fucking prequels.
>>71034128
/thread
The Force Awakens is a bad example, since loving Star Wars is practically dogma for le nerd generation
Fuck, JewJew could've just filmed himself taking a dump for three hours and I'm sure le reddit nerds would eat it up
>I hated Star Wars because it had a fucking nigger in it!
>But let's see what our favourite critic, Armond White, had to say about it.
>>71037354
I am a paid critic. No reason to lie.
>>71037355
Yes, it did. It was two days before the main release.
I was also invited but did not attend (I was overseas) to the Civil War event.
At the TFA one there were little black showbags filled with snacks, vouchers, a drink bottle and a charity bracelet thing for some charity I don't remember.
There was free beer and wine before the showing, and an afterparty in the foyer of the theatre where there was more beer and wine and some hors d'oeuvres.
Now, I'll grant you that they obviously don't literally blackmail you and say "write a good review or you're not coming to the next one" but it's fairly well implied that there's an obligation to be appreciative.
>>71037616
>everyone who likes star wars is reddit!
>he says on a star wars board
>>71037684
Yes, it's almost like it confirms something about the state of /tv/, isn't it?
>>71037616
and yet people are trying to elevate this conspiracy of disney paying off critics, they didn't need to, people were gonna eat it up anyways because all it had to do was be marginally better than the prequels which isn't that hard of a task to accomplish
>>71037683
So you mustn't believe in journalistic integrity considering you must hate Disney movies so much yet you keep getting invited to their events.
>>71037683
and I'm a us navy seal with a sniper pointed at your house, lol isn't it fun saying things?
>>71037796
Yeah, film and television boards are the home to film critics and Navy snipers alike.
>>71037768
I don't hate Disney movies. I gave SWVII a 3.5/5 and Civil War a 3/5.
What did you give them?
>>71037161
it was competently done and enjoyable enough as I was watching it, but the wasted potential over how it was just a rehash of a new hope created lingering disappointment.
I remember a little while ago when they were running ads for the blue ray release they said
>OWN THE MOTION PICTURE EVENT THAT DEFINED A GENERATION
and I couldn't help but think wtf are they talking about, star wars 7 wasn't anything like that it was just a decent blockbuster that was quickly forgotten
>>71037895
advertisements overhype their products, who would've ever fucking guessed :O
>>71037875
I'm not a critic.
The only difference between you and I is that I'm not pretending to be one on a Filipino Degrassi appreciation board.
>>71037982
Okiedoke.
OP asked a question, I replied to the best of my ability. I can't offer more while preserving my anonymity.
>>71037970
sure, but not in a way that's so ridiculous its just laughably out of touch
>>71033971
They're not paying critics off, it's just that Disney have created the ultimate normie movie formula. All you need are the right amount of quips, humor, action and an emotional sucker punch and people gobble that shit up.
>>71038061
Post feet
>>71038131
so you mean to say that literally every movie that's ever been in theater isn't the #1 movie in america? I don't think you quite understand how marketing works
>>71034562
>http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428730/star-wars-demystified
holy shit, why is this never brought up when defending the prequels? it's rare to see critics actually criticize tfa
>>71034116
>>71034116
>the "The Scientist Who Wants Fame From His Personal Work"
lol retard
Could show you a dozen other reviews that are completely undeserved but they aren't paid for in money. Just gratification for agreeing with everyone else.
>>71038386
> reviews that are completely undeserved
that's pretty subjective don't you think, do we live in the era of cinema where people simply can't have differing opinions?
>>71036577
>DISNEY ARE CLEARLY PAYING CRITICS!
What about all these other movies they made that were critical and/or financial bombs?
>THOSE MOVIES WERE BAD ON PURPOSE!
But if you had the power to pay off critics, wouldn't that be cheaper than spending millions on a movie you know will fail? Come on guys
>people contrarian troll so hard for so long that they forget what their actual opinions are: the thread
God, I hate this conversation. In all its forms.
The Force Awakens was good.
Not great, not genre defining, and not the best Star Wars movie, but it was competently made, was recognizably Star Wars, and had a story that moved at a brisk pace and was easy to follow. All of these facts become BLATANTLY apparent if you try to compare them to the prequel trilogy, and that was a conscious decision.
You don't have to like the movie, but if you say it's out-and-out bad, it betrays a clear lack of understanding and perspective on your part.
>>71038944
no you don't understand, they made movies I don't like so that means they're paying off critics, I can't just have an opinion, what are you stupid?
>>71039166
shh you can't have a level headed opinion here, didn't you know in order to post on /tv/ you have to be retarded and not know anything film-wise
>>71039510
>le 'balanced opinion'
>le level headed
>le reddit fag
>>71039166
but jews kikes disney niggers sjws feminism mary sue! shit movie!!!11!!!!
>>71039597
case and point
>>71039166
>You don't have to like the movie, but if you say it's out-and-out bad, it betrays a clear lack of understanding and perspective on your part.
I hate the mindset of so many millennials that if a lot of people like something they don't like, there must be some conspiracy. This can't be reality. They must be manipulation going on behind closed doors.
I'm not saying all Millenials are like that, but a lot of them cannot let go of the 911/war in Irag era of mistrust that Millenials grew up in, and now they are applying it to everying, distrusting everything and thinking everything is crooked.
> there are people that legitimately think tfa is a great movie, not just good, but great
Paint by numbers is apparently high art
>>71034562
>The new characters in The Force Awakens are banal. John Boyega’s black superhero, Finn, updates and restyles Han Solo’s jockish heroism — a cultural evolution that evokes Obama (“I was taken from a family I’ll never know”) for global commercialism. Boyega is appealing-enough to surpass the series’ previous racial tokens, Billy Dee Williams and Samuel L. Jackson, but he is subordinate to the new gallantry of Daisy Ridley’s Rey, who embodies the female empowerment denied to Princess (now General) Leia. Rey “leans in” when she grips the Skywalker light saber, so that feminists can rejoice at the Disney Corporation’s calculated political correctness (although Rey’s competence with weaponry contradicts liberals’ convenient attitudes toward gun control.)
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>>71040096
le epic 4chun post
>>71039804
Whoo-wee, you got me there. Jeez Louise whatever shall I do now? Dang nabbit, I think I've been thoroughly rekt.
>>71034562
>Basically Disney indoctrinated a generation of manchildren and the company has them by the balls.
That's like blaming Coca-Cola alone for kids getting fat off of soft drinks.
There are manchildren from anime and video games, and ton of other shit that have no connection to Disney.
>>71040506
a diversion tactic to throw off simple minded drones like yourself so you won't believe the truth.
>>71039166
not disagreeing with you at all
but it must be said one thing I thought was quite telling was the scene where C3PO shows up and they make a joke about how he's literally in the way poking fun about how he served no purpose at all in the movie and was just there because they were desperately trying to cram as much crap from a new hope in there as they possibly could.
And yet, despite having the self awareness to acknowledge it they still did it.
>>71033971
To a certain extent, they all are. But if you actually watch most of the well received Disney movies, they generally are good.
92% simply means that 92% of people who watched it liked it, and that's totally acceptable as this movie wasn't shit nor are most of the Marvel movies. They may not be great, but that's besides the point.
I fucking hate Disney and I hate capeshit but you have to give them credit. They make so much money with their films that they have gathered the resources to get the best talent behind their movies and it almost always works now.
>>71040644
A hundred million dollar diversion.
>>71040506
I will never understand why John Carter was as maligned as it was.
>>71040169
>a cultural evolution that evokes Obama (“I was taken from a family I’ll never know”)
wat.
>>71040722
for a multi-billion dollar pay off.
>>71040747
It's not panned, it has mixed reviews
>>71039166
>comparing to the prequels instead of the OT
>Hey, look, there is worse shit out there, this is good compared to that utter shit?
>What do you mean you want to compare it to the OT, OT is old, prequels are the latest Star Wars
Reasons why Force Awakens sucks:
>Mary Sue protagonist
>awful, awful dialogue
>character motivations make no sense
>no space battles
>rip-off plotwise
>rip-off scenewise
>plot that goes so fast it doesn't make sense
>disrespects rules established in OTand EU
>coincidence filled fights
>references, references, references
>what worked in the originals is changed
Of course, if you are a shitty millenial raised on movies like this, it's no wonder you like it
>>71040931
stay mad, cuck.
>>71040506
They let Lone Ranger tank because they wanted to get Bruckheimer out of their bed.
>>71040809
when it came out the media called it the new Xanadu
>>71040931
>comparing to the prequels instead of the OT
Of COURSE you'd compare it to the prequels instead of the OT. It's a much easier comparison to make, because both movies are attempting to be continuations of the Star Wars brand. Both attempts are much more aligned in intent than either of them are to the OT. Only an idiot would compare TFA to the OT. That's missing the point of TFA.
>character motivations make no sense
Elaborate
>>71033971
Of course they are. Same thing with marvel avengers, I mean you really think those shit marvel movies would be getting above 90% as generic action flicks?
Any huge triple A blockbuster that studios have put massive amounts of money into marketing buys critics.
>>71041038
>They sunk 225 million dollars just for an excuse to stop working with a filmmaker.
>Instead of just flat not giving him work
THAT MAKES SENSE.
>>71040931
>literally lists female protagonist as the first reason that the film sucks
Jeez
>>71040931
>muh EU
lmao your shit's dead, faggot
>>71040809
The media all reported on how it was the biggest flop ever and absolutely horrible when it came out. It got a suspicious amount of coverage that was all titled 'biggest flop ever?' or 'worst disney movie of all time' from mainstream news outlets.
>>71040719
>talent behind their movies
Talent implies originality. What Disney has is just craft.
>>71040931
>all these angry millennial replies to this post
They always get so angry when someone points out the obvious.
>>71040506
Like clockwork, someone posts this. You are a disney shill and don't even know it. They WANTED that result, so useful idiots such as yourself would post "well what about _____ and _____." Disney released these bombs as a way to give some legitimacy to modern criticism, so people could look back on them whenever they are questioned.
>>71041082
explain Transformers
explain Man of Steel
explain Batman v superman
explain Alice in Wonderland
explain The Phantom Menace
explain Attack of the Clones
explain Jurassic Park 2 and 3
explain Godzilla 98
explain Pan
explain X-Men The Last Stand
explain X-Men Origins Wolverine
explain The Amazing Spider Man 2
>>71041113
>They sunk
He sunk*
iirc they had some sort of deal that they had to publish/distribute as long as his movies were still making money and it was hard for them to back out.
They're still doing Pirates with him, ahem, at the helm, but I do remember there being a lot of buzz around something about Bruckster's contract with them.
I don't subscribe to any of this, but thought I could get in on the meme action.
>>71033971
Problems with it:
>Movie felt way too short
>So many plotholes such as how the Empire were able to build a massive Death Star carved into a planet in only 30 years when all the Empire were defeated
>Movie should have begun when Kylo was dropped off at Luke's Jedi Academy: as we get to know him more and why he joined the dark side
But of course due to JJ wanting to make an absolute copy of A New Hope: we had to begin the movie with Kylo in the mask and Stormtroopers massacring an area just like A New Hope begins
>Han Solo should not have died
>JJ should have gone with the original script idea where Luke is met earlier in the film and Rey and Luke go on adventures together as they track down ancient artifacts - this then would have let Luke come face to face with Han and eventually Leia and all 3 of the original team would have been reunited
>Rey is a Mary Sue: absolutely makes no sense with how she knows everything about the force; is able to do Jedi mind tricks without anyone teaching her... if JJ filmed a scene with her reading a book about the Jedi myths or about Han explaining to her about the force then it would have all made sense - only way for it to now make sense is if Rey is a reincarnation of Anakin which explains why all powers come easy to her
>Luke would never abandon all his friends and become a hermit (again JJ is doing this just so Episode 8 is exactly like ESB with Rey going to be trained with a Yoda like wise Jedi).
>Why the fuck does Rey need to be trained? She is a Mary Sue who knows everything? She almost beat a Sith Lord (who cares if he was injured).
>The lack of Prequel content (such as no prequel planet ever mentioned) disturbed me greatly
>>71040957
>pleb opinions matter
Let me guess, you're a Jimfag?
>>71041071
>is a story continuation of the OT
>takes EVERYTHING from the OT
>only an idiot would compare it to the OT
Are you a leftover shill?
>elaborate
Finn having no trouble shooting his former mates, pilot guy quipping after getting caught
>>71041117
>literally can't argue against the other ones
>doesn't know what a Mary Sue is
>>71041122
Better dead than Disney
>>71041466
>The lack of Prequel content (such as no prequel planet ever mentioned) disturbed me greatly
Disney is treating them as non-canon, they are technically canon but will never be mentioned in any future movies.
In the future they will probably go back and remake them when ol George croaks.
>>71041599
well, they mentioned clone army becuse it was an insult against the born and raised first order troopers, and i would have honestly thought that the clones would have actually done better than the FOS
>>71037636
The nigger was hardly a problem. Mary Ray Sue, the terrible pace/plot and villains on the other hand were.
>>71041667
Clones are mentioned in episode 4 though.
and that line was removed from the Blu-Ray release.
>>71041636
>don't be stupid, nobody would bother with your little website
>>71041739
But why
>>71041739
>blue ray release is the canon release, retconing clones from being in the very first movie that solodified that there was a 'clone war' that actually happened in canon
>mfw
what line do they use instead when talking about obi-wan?
>>71041844
Removing prequel refrences means they can go back and remake them someday.
It's the smart move, that line was fanservice.
>>71041856
Clone wars still happened, Kylo just doesn't mention them.
>>71034562
What an amazing guy
>>71042067
nah, it was hux. there was never any mention to anything in the prequels othan than the refrence to clones, which could be taken as something else.
im talking about when luke and obi are talking about his dad and they mention that they fought together in the clone wars. what do the say instead
>>71042132
The clone war mention is still in episode 4, the clone army line from VII is removed.
sorry, I made that confusing by typing like a retard.
>>71042192
ah, gotya
>>71040506
>>71040740
These movies got to be more expensive then they were worth. They knew they were bombs before they released them and let them sink. Why spend more money on reshoots, reviewers and so on? Just cut your losses. The fucked up and moved on.
>>71040296
Coca cola doesn't have its own chain of theme parks people visit every year, feature films that become household names and are rewatched ad nauseum by children and it's own channels to make sure the kiddies always get a healthy dose of uncle Walt's Disney juice
>>71042098
>Sir, where am I to shill?
>Everywhere
>But sir, what if I am discovered?
>Just tell them nobody bothers with the Internet
>>71037161
But, you can easily watch the movie and see its shit.
Objectively debunked
Normal People: "No matter what we all can agree that TFA is a decent, well-made film."
>/tv/
>>71040931
>>71039597
>>71040190>>71034219
>>71034307
>>71033971
>>71034058
>>71034101
>>71034562
>>71037514
>>71037562
>>71037616
>mfw
>>71033971
>>71033971
This meme dead yet???
I'm sorry, but I seriously hate TFA. I never liked the prequels but compared to this shitstain of a movie they fucking shine like a new dime. The plot was fucking retarded. It looks like they just had to cram as many liberal things as they could. I have nothing against black characters or female characters but seriously come the fuck on, you don't have to suck feminist cock just to fit in.
>absolutely THE WORST black character I can think of (not only in star wars universe)
>fucking Mary Sue who can fight off Kylo Ren after few days of (sort of) training with a lightsabre
>Han Solo 2.0
>Luke 2.0
>r2d2 2.0
>death star 3.0
seriously? It looks like they just took the easiest way to grab our money. I understand why prequels are hated, but at the very least they tried to bite the topic from other perspective. TFA just looks like they ctrl+c ctrl+v new hope with new versions of old characters and events and you just can't defend this.
You may like this movie, but don't try to make me feel dumb just because I don't
>>71044604
why do you post pic of a fucking koala as a reply to my post?
>>71044916
>>71044916
since you have shit opinions you only get shit replies
>>71045399
care to explain your point? Or you just came here to tell me my opinions are shit?
>>71043684
>absolutely THE WORST black character I can think of (not only in star wars universe)
Why?
>>71033971
Because you wear a tinfoil hat, you autist
>no one could possibly like this movie, even though people outside of /tv/ say they like this movie
>>71045844
wtf? I never said critics were paid to like this movie or anything like that.
>>71045808
>suppose to be the guy who murdered all the remaining jedi
>loses to a girl who just discovered about the jedi about a week ago
>acts like a child (throwing stuff around for comic relief and crying like a faggot) just to play the greatest enemy of peace this world's ever fucking seen
>he looks like he's 16 and posing no threat to anybody
>>71033971
>>71046024
A Ton of exposition and back story they haven't revealed about these characters judging their ability's based on what we see in this film alone is stupid.
Kylo Ren was severly wounded in that fight and on top of that, Ren is heavily suspected of being a mind-wiped Trained force user.
happy?
>>71034116
yes yes, well argued frog, well argued
HOWEVER
>>71046259
>Ren is heavily suspected of being a mind-wiped Trained force user.
"writing is hard" the movie
no, I'm not happy. Shame there was na device to go back in time so she could make it to more classes
>>71046372
More like One movie that's part 1 of a trilogy bro. You do know two more movies are coming out? Do you expect a T.V show to explain and reveal everything in a couple of episodes instead of the Season as a whole?
>>71033971
They basically own the media, they don't have to buy them, they already own them.
>>71034562
based as fucj
>>71046598
>It's not a TV series
>A movie should be able to stand on its own
>Considering the writing in TFA, the explanation is going to be retarded anyways
>minding film "critics" on a shitty website
kill yourself.
>>71046598
>give us your money so the plot can actually make sense in the next movie
>what's that? you want each movie to be its own self contained story instead of a two hour preview for the next movie that we are already making and we know will make even more money than this one?
>go fuck yourself
>disney is paying critics...
why do you even care?
and even if you care don`t you know that everything is controled by companies?
the best stuff you can do is live along and enjoy this shit.
>>71048479
>just turn your brain off bro
>>71034101
They own Jeopardy too? That's too far man.
>>71048616
own... he thinks he can control his destiny.
