>men are constantly sexualized in capeshit
>women still have the nerve to complain about muuuh sexualization
Why?
they're literally subhuman
>>71029416
Is Hemsworth on steroids or what?
>>71029416
But they have Charlie Cox's ass to make up for the lack of women getting sexualized.
I don't think any of those pictures are 'sexualised' nor sexual.
#burlyboys
>>71029416
i inquired about this to my girlfriend
she said:
>yeah, but it's not the same thing as when girls as sexualized
i literally didn't know how to respond
do i dump her /tv/?
>>71029416
If you think this is sexual then you're a FAGGOT
>>71029974
>inquired
>not telling
that's where you went wrong senpai
>>71029884
>implying Liefeld is somehow indicative of every comic artist ever
MAD
A
D
Who wrote this garbage
>>71029974
it's literally not the same though. you're either stupid or willfully ignorant if you can't see that.
>>71029500
>implying all four arent pumped to the gills full of topshelf roids
Hollywoods worst kept secret.
>>71029839
None of them are sexual, but neither are 99% of things femautists claim are sexualy exploitative.
They are however pointless eye-candy, but again, who gives a fuck?
All 4 of those guys prob had HGH, dieticians and round the clock personal trainers, but their physique was still 10 times harder to achive than any female form that's considered attractive.
>>71030099
>double dubs
>still a fag
reluctantly checked
>>71030099
I'm stunned by your stupidity
>>71029416
>women have to complain
stop the presses holy shit.
Seriously, people need to stop listening. I want my fictional movies to be full of beautiful people.
>>71030105
>Hollywoods worst kept secret.
That's boyfucking you asshat
>>71029884
Wow, girls talk about how hot thor and superman are all the time. what is this bitch talking about?
>>71029416
>reading stories about Huge Actman being super dehydrated for the shirtless Wolverine scenes
>super vascular but super cranky all day
I think it's because deep down women know that the only reason they exist is be used as fuck socks but to acknowledge this is offensive whereas it's okay to sexualize men because everybody knows there are also good for a lot lot more.
Basically being dehumanized as nothing more than a sex toy hits too close to home whereas men are expected to just deal with it because they know they are in reality so much more.
I think.
>>71030242
Fuck off back to >>>/v/
>>71030242
I'll bite, how is it the same then?
>>71029416
Because men are much prettier than women, anon.
>>71029416
>male power fantasy
>>71029416
Whats happening in your post is a Male Power Fantasy, not sexualization which literally happens every single movie with a woman in it
>>71029416
it's okay though because it positively benefits women and that's all they care about when it comes to "equality"
>>71030351
Both are made to look hot and fuckeable you cunt.
>>71030351
It's not that it's the same, the issue it's that it's hypocritical as fuck, the world is a fucking competition based on looks thanks to hollywood but it's all fine if men are rated upon it
Woman complain that they are rated upon their looks WHILE pushing that men should be classified by their looks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assemblywomen
The effect is some weird shit like those bay cities where 70% of young men use steroids to look "good" and girls just get fatter and fatter everyday
>>71030477
>MALE POWER FANTASY
oh wow, reddit just go, i bet this is just a male power fantasy
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27856826-mister-o
>>71030477
Why can't an attractive woman with an unattainable body be be a female power fantasy?
In this context what does sexualization even mean? In an ideal feminist world would all females be androgynous and unattractive?
>>71030120
lol no. they just have to be in great shape, yeah that can be tough but it's doable with all the resources you listed.
have you any idea what women go through to be deemed appropriately attractive to then be called superficial whores anyway?
>this is an acceptable superhero body in 2016
>>71029416
>implying women don't want animu-looking twinks
>implying
>>71030631
>have you any idea what women go through to be deemed appropriately attractive to then be called superficial whores anyway?
I bet you haven't lifted a weight in all your life
You probably haven't runned a km in all your life
>>71030629
>“I, as a woman, want Wonder Woman to be hot as hell, fight badass, and look great at the same time – the same way men want Superman to have huge pecs and an impractically big body. That makes them feel like the hero they want to be. And my hero, in my head, has really long legs.”
Feminists are mad at her
Post examples of men being sexualized in television and film.
>>71030631
>>have you any idea what women go through to be deemed appropriately attractive to then be called superficial whores anyway?
people who do bench press basically risk death every time they do a set
>>71030650
that was 1963
Back then not everyone and their dog was doing roids
>>71030333
>only argument is go back to >>>/v/
You really are stupid
>>71030629
Do you really think those beautiful women are in movies, tv shows, magazines etc to give everyday women a power fantasy?
They are there because the female body is universally viewed as a commodity/sex object.
>>71030848
I suppose you'd prefer it if dogs were universally viewed as sex objects you fucking Canadian.
>>71030631
You really think the average woman puts in that much effort every day as a guy would to be that muscular? Within 2 weeks of stopping lifting weights, atrophy starts to set in an muscles start shrinking. All a female has to do is not get fat.
>>71030726
>>71030801
people who lift weights make a choice to do so. women are forced into beauty regimes from a young age to be deemed fuckable, normal, employable.. the list goes on.
It's not just superheroes. I didn't even search for anything sex related
>MGM wants me to fap to Daniel Craig
>Google wants me to fap to Daniel Craig
>I want me to fap to Daniel Craig
>>71029884
>superheroes' bodies are '''''objectified and unobtainable'''''
>unobtainable
t. tumblr whale
who writes this shit?
>>71030631
Most of the shit they do is perpetuated by women themselves. No man has goten a raging boner for some new shoes.
>>71029884
>"Male power fantasy"
I've never understood this meme.
First, how is it that one woman, or a group of women, get to define what is "sexy" or "appealing" for all women? They are trying to argue that these male superheroes can't be objectified because these musclebound physiques aren't attractive to women. The fuck? How can they even get away with this body-shaming? Imagine the tumblr shitstorm that would erupt if a man got published saying that fat women are objectively not attractive to men
Second, if the male superheroes in comics are supposedly representing an ideal body that men aspire to, why can't the same be said of women? If men want to be built like Captain America, can't we also say that women want to look like Black Widow? Emma Frost? Black Cat?
And then this tumblrtard tries to talk about logical fallacies...what a disaster. Why is this published? What is this?
>>71030946
>All a female has to do is not get fat.
people like you always say that then are the first to criticize women who don't have perfect hair or makeup, who don't shave, who don't wear clothes that make them look attractive, who don't wear heels..
ITT: retards take the bait
>>71030848
So if a hot guy gets naked or scantily-clothed on-screen, it's a male power fantasy. If a woman does it, it's only possible purpose is to sexualize them. Ever. End of story,
You ever stop to consider how empowering it would be if women were to *own* that sexuality, to incorporate it into their own power fantasy?
Probably not. They don't get to continue with the victim identification if they went that route.
You don't destroy a symbol. You control its meaning. Just look at the Streisand Effect for how well independently enforced censorship turns out.
>>71031225
there are obviously women out there who take pride in being very well put together and enjoy make up, heels etc but it's not attainable or fair to expect every woman to be the same way.
it's beyond trying to give some guy a boner, women are being fired for not wearing heels or looking "presentable" for work.
>>71031076
Yes you are right, how blind we are
>>71031252
This comment make it painfully obvious you're not a man. Literally ALL it takes it to not be too fat and men will overlook everything else for a fuck.
>>71031238
They're actually entirely right, and you're retarded. Just look at all of the low IQ neckbeards on this board that worship Schwarzenegger. Muscle-bound heroes are meant to appeal to men as power fantasies significantly before they're meant to appeal to women sexually. On the flipside, sexualized females are also meant to appeal to men.
Not that there's anything wrong with any of that, but you're wrong, retarded, and you should back to /pol/. Even purple-haired feminist troglodytes are more intelligent than your board of subhumans.
>>>/pol/
>>71031410
> women are being fired for not wearing heels or looking "presentable" for work.
wew lad, now I ALSO know that you haven't worked a day in your life
>>71031199
Well you know you can't be batmanfit just by reading comics
>>71031499
And it's not like men don't have to "look presentable" for certain jobs either
>guy goes to work in a skirt because it's too hot and wearing shorts is prohibited
>>71031179
>what does kino mean
>how to take a screenshot
Get out of here, please.
>>71031406
it's not about victimization, of course there are roles out there for women that can be sexually empowering if the actress chooses to play it that way. it's about the hot girl roles being the only choice for a lot of actresses and the unfair pressures and expectations that come with that and the effect they have on young girls and women watching the movies/tv shows.
it is getting better with shows like orange is the new black and other female fronted media but it's still a problem.
but who cares all women are cunts who don't deserve basic humanity amirite
>>71031444
Because she's probably a 3 shooting for a 10 and complaining when it doesn't happen.
>>71031651
Swing and a miss
>>71031621
Really is this allowed ? Working in black pant during summer is hell
>>71031406
Exactly.
I personally love the image of a sexualized woman, it's great to celebrate the female body, and it can be done so artistically. This in't to please my own perverted mind. I genuinely like that sort of thing as a design. Take Bayonetta. She's a sexy female who owns her body. Or even more timid fictional characters, it works either way.
>>71029884
funny because women like playing super busty hot women in vidya
just like dudes wish they could be jacked(because muscles - attractiveness), girls wish they could have big tits/asses and be thin(surprise! attractiveness)
>>71031499
it would take you 10 seconds to google.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/11/receptionist-sent-home-pwc-not-wearing-high-heels-pwc-nicola-thorp
very common in hospitality, office and corporate jobs. a women could come to work clean and well dressed but she's not seen as "professional" unless she's wearing heels and a full face of make up with perfect hair.
>>71031445
>>71031749
Shut up shitlord you're the reason this world is full of mansplaining. Triggered.
>>71029821
holy shit that ass.
>>71029821
BUBBLE BUTT
>>71031780
If it made to the news and it was a big fuzz it's because it's really uncommon
>>71031651
>He took the ancient bait
>>71029821
Too bad the rest of him is kinda shit, especially the somehow 12 year old face that looks 50.
>>71029884
The only fucking reason having a huge muscly body male power fantasy is because it's what females look for in male companions.
She's fucking nuts. It is hypocritical that it's sexist to have an ideal woman but ok with an ideal man.
>>71031445
>On the flipside, sexualized females are also meant to appeal to men
oh so smart one, what should women look like so as to not offend anyone?
>>71031896
have you ever worked in any of those environments? or spoken to a woman who works?
almost all women just put up with this shit because it's expected. complain about it, especially to a male boss and they just fire you for being an inconvenience.
>>71031445
>>71032040
Next time I will be sure to go working on a tshirt and some baggy sweatpants since now men aren't put to some etiquette standards it seems
>>71031993
lol keep telling yourself that
http://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/08/22/hugh-jackman-for-men-vs-hugh-jackman-for-women/
>>71031652
>but who cares all women are cunts who don't deserve basic humanity amirite
What's it like be so miserable about things which are truly asinine?
>>71031807
What the fuck? Jesus Christ I'm glad you're triggered you moronic fuck.
>>71029884
she is not wrong, when men see other better looking men, they either wish they they were that good looking or self insert as a power fantasy. When women see better looking women, they get jealous and hate the girl for looking better
>>71032153
where did i say men aren't expected to look professional? of course they are, it's just much simpler for men.
>>71029416
Big muscles are actually related to strength where as having big titties and a booty wont help as much in a combat situation
Post qts.
>>71032292
>I have never actually done anything physical in my life
I'm sort of surprised that so many people aren't interested in the female experience
>>71029884
>>71029974
What are the female fantasies? That's what should be asked, and I don't want a guy to tell me his conception of female fantasy.
>>71032122
what I think is funny about that comic on the right is that the man's reaction is what the artist thinks men would react to a kawaii Batman
In reality the man would either a)not give a shit or b) would say something like "shit that kawaii as fuck". People with persecution complexes seem to want to believe that would other people be in their shoes they'd feel the same way they do, when in reality most people would simply acknowledge it for what it is and not give a shit
For the record that Batman has some banging lips
>>71032422
The common female fantasy in 2016 is saving the world by being entitled and being supposedly right about something that needs an "empathy" solution rather than a logical one
>>71029416
fit bodies make fat women feel inferior.
Men look at muscular men and want to hit the gym. Women look at a thin woman and cry and talk shit about her behind her back and spread rumors about her.
>>71032122
a gay dude wrote that.
He literally did a twink with a young/femme face
>>71032179
rekt
>So maybe I’m an immature woman who likes the power fantasy thing too (I’ve always identified with the/a hero of the story regardless of gender, not the girl), but I find the first cover appealing (muscles! knife-claws! chest-hair! Wolverine!) and the second one is boring and meh.
That’s one of the reasons I dislike women’s magazines: All sickly sweet and caring and fuzzy, no power to be seen anywhere, not even in their cheesy “strong women” articles.
I don’t think that this is such an extreme minority view among women: However, it’s also clearly not what women are supposed to be interested in, just like technology and non-beautifying sports, judging from the tropes I see in the media aimed at women.
>>71032493
Right cause guys are totally cool with Edward from Twilight and wouldn't mind if every single male character was like him.
>>71032735
even girls are uncomfortable with Edward - it's why it's a serious about a girl cucking him and wanting to get violently DPed - but written for little girls
>>71030605
>bay cities where 70% of young men use steroids to look "good"
is it srsly 70%? That seems awfully high
>>71032640
really the whole issue is thinking women are "suppose" to like anything. they're people they all like different shit. some people (male and female) might cream at the muscle cover and some at the other it's not really limited to gender.
/tv/ just has this weird warped view of women, not to go down the stupid neckbeard virgins route but it can only come from limited experience around real women outside of family or high school.
>>71031651
hello newfriend
>>71032607
>a gay dude wrote that.
kek. He obviously thinks gay male sexuality is exactly the same as female sexuality. The 'girl' character was obviously a self-insert.
All sorts of fail going there
>>71031179
>what does kino mean
kek, I'm stealing that for next time
>>71031445
>Just look at all of the low IQ neckbeards on this board that worship Schwarzenegger.
I'm glad you brought up Schwarzenegger.
I can think of at least one woman that finds overly-musclebound men to be attractive...two if you count their maid
I'm also enjoying how your post is literally "You are wrong. They are right," then you just go on to restate the same, basic "men are male power fantasies" premise without adding anything new whatsoever. Great post. 5.4/10
>>71032924
yeah the big young eyes and faggy demeanor.
remember when 50 shades of grey was a twink smiling like a kawaii manic pixie dreamgirl?
>>71032283
>much simpler
And how would you know?
>>71029884this is true
>>71029416
Because women are petty and love to complain about shit.
Also,
>the ugly women started it because it made them feel bad
>it became a "thing" so some pretty women jumped on the bandwagon to be fashionable
It's not rocket science.
Next thread.
>>71032918
>/tv/ just has this weird warped view of women, not to go down the stupid neckbeard virgins route but it can only come from limited experience around real women outside of family or high school.
It's not /tv/ publishing books about what women should like and dislike.
Now go back to
>>>/co/
or
>>>/tumblr/
And stay there fattie.
>>71033245
because all men have to do is be clean, put on a suit, shave and tidy their hair?
>>71033518
i see i touched a nerve.
>>71033608
I just told you to go back to your containment board, nothing else.
>>71033539
>be clean
That's really generic.
Again, how do you know that's simpler in comparison anyway?
>>71029884
>there is a book
>>71029974
>do i dump her /tv/?
but you wouldnt have a pillow anymore
>>71033539
ohh you don't know my struggles
i'm obese so my trousers get really tight down there, it's really problematic
I also sweat a lot, and have chronical shoulder pains because my suit is too tight (it would be like a fucking poncho if i used something bigger)
>>71029884
"a yucky byproduct of the patriarchy"
>>71030605
>The effect is some weird shit like those bay cities where 70% of young men use steroids to look "good" and girls just get fatter and fatter everyday
Is that why those areas became full of faggots?
>>71031737
>>71031921
>>71032920
>getting reverse rused
>>71029884
I looked at the hawkeye initiative. What this retard didnt mention is that they seem to give the male characters the same clothing and proportions as the women as well as stupid pouty looks on their faces that the women dont have. False equivalence indeed.
Pic related.
>>71034194
>falling for the penultimate trick
They use the deus ex 'power fantasy' argument, which is literally 'don't use reason, I'm going to tell you what you think and feel you fucking sexist'
>deus ex is the new meme of june
>>71034246
I love how they complain so much about anatomy when it's sexy females yet stay silent when tumblr trash like Squirrel Girl or Hellcat puts out boneless, down-faced blobs.
>>71031252
Is it just me or do the majority of men hate make up on women? I know I fucking do. Natural healthy beauty in my young slim girls please.
>tfw women are so inherently deceptive that they feel perfectly okay looking like someone they are not on a daily basis.
>>71033539
>shave
>implying shaving can't be gory hard
Fuck you.
>>71030937
>that filename
>>71032122
I have one thing to say to this, seeing as it so obviously states how fucking retarded feminist logic is...
>implying batman isn't built for dexterity AND power.
>implying women even care about "nerd" culture>
Pic Related.
>>71034246
that spiderman costume is hot as fuck desu
>>71029884
I saw this book at the comic book store a few months back and I couldn't stop laughing at it.
It's called "The Fangirls Guide to the Galaxy" or some shit like that and it's literally all about how women are mistreated in fandom and how women should band together and read fan fiction and talk about how men are trash while reading and enjoying things men created.
>>71034507
what's wrong autismo?
>>71029884
Here's a sample of this masterpiece
>>71031252
Who criticizes women for not wearing heals? Maybe other bitchy females, I've never heard a guy say "yeah shes pretty hot i guess, but her choice of footwear just ruins it for me."
Other than shaving, none of those things are going to stop a female being attractive unless she's already unattractive and needs fake skin, fake hair, fake lips, fake eye lashes, fake boobs and fake legs to be shaggable.
>>71034737
>females blatantly admit that all this shit is new to them and not something they've loved their whole lives by buying a book telling them how to act, interact and prove what big fan girls they are to all the comic book/ vidya shit.
Will they ever stop being so goddamn deceitful?
>>71034874
WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ?
>>71029884
Here's another example of this wonderful book
>>71029416
Femanons (and faganons, I guess), who has a better bod in OP's pic?
>>71034737
>after a break up I realised I was a feminist
holy kek
>>71034948
You guys ready for the true cancer? Read this shit, I DARE you.
>>71034874
>how do I pretend i've always been a fan of something instead of admitting I picked it up just before the Hobbit came out?: The Book.
>>71030398
This, with a prime example.
>>71034874
what in the fuck is this? A guide to acting like gollum?
>>71034998
>>71034948
>>71034874
Almost harder to read this than it is to listen to the gamer girl manifesto.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrBoeMF4FYs
For the uninitiated.
>>71034998
>buffy not bella
to be fair, I skipped around, but are people still shitting on twilight?
isn't that incredibly hypocritical when this book goes on and on about how sexualizing females is a huge problem, and then just sweeps the entirety of the female power fantasy fueled genre that is teen fiction?I bet that book is still a better read than twilight LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!11!!!!!2!!!
>>71034998
couldnt make it thru the blurb which is apparently just a short auto biography
More goodness
>>71035212
Learn up on your lingo boys, learn the OTP lingo!
>>71035212
>someone made a suckton of money from this.
How do I even get out of bed in the morning knowing this?
Why does such a guide even exist? Are girls so autistic that they don't know how to be a fan of something?
>>71035212
>>71035260
you have these books don't you? You bought them """"""""unironically""""""""" right?
>its a 4chan discusses feminism episode
>>71035376
Nah nigga I grabbed those pics the internet, I wouldn't waste money on that shit
>>71035260
Jesus Christ it's like saying you can't like things unless you totally change the way you speak and act.
Have females become this insane because they have been given too much freedom or what?
>>71035327
Obviously yes!
>>71035424
>become
they always were insane. They just aren't tethered anymore.
>>71035424
Once we allowed them to vote it was all down hill from there man.
>>71035327
>how to like something 101
>first become a feminist
>>71035260
>>71035212
>>71034948
>>71034998
>>71034874
>>71034737
so this was written by a minor e-celeb who happens to be a friend of my gf's. this book is literally her highest achievement and she got handed a writing job at bioware shortly after it was published.
I know this isn't /v/, but... well, if you weren't avoiding bioware games already...
>>71035424
Women are never actually interested in anything. Then just adopt a veneer of being interested. Going by this book it's more important to abide by the culture that arises from an interest than the interest itself.
Pure mimicry.
>>71035327
I wonder
>>71029884
>systematic objectification
>yucky
My favorite part about a lot of modern feminist bullshit is how the language oscillates between 'college sophomore' and 'toddler.'
>>71035557
Proof that you know this cunt. I'm calling bullshit. We're all shitting on the book anon you don't have to make up lies to seem cool.
>>71034964
#2 biut ]ypoiu;l;l get pepop;le wiuth dadd]y iussiues sa]yiung an]ythiung e;lse sporr]y iu spiu;l;led water pon ,m]y kwe]ybpoard/.
>>71029416
>>men are constantly sexualized in capeshit
>>women still have the nerve to complain about muuuh sexualization
We never see anything like this in Marvel Film or DC/Warner
>>71035638
I can't prove it since I'm not friends with her. also how the fuck would it be cool to know someone like that?
like I said, she's an e-celeb so she's not that hard to find. I think you can even find her sharing the news about being hired at bioware.
>>71029884
Guys only want to be jacked because it is a desirable trait by women.
Fucking dumb women. Nobody would want to look like a roided up retard if women didn't find it sexy.
>>71032255
Because men want to improve, women just want to be petty.
>>71029884
My sister and mum saw the recent Hunstman movie just because of how hot Chris Hemsworth is. It's full of shit. Also how does the author know that women don't think the same thing as men do when they see a hot, beautiful woman on screen? As in, "oh yeah she has a good body, I wish I looked like that". Is she flat out admitting women are threatened by each other? I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only thing feminists hate more than men is other women.
"Yeah, I wish I could be that jacked! Grr! Muscles! Power! Yarrgh!"
Someone actually thought this was publishable. Not even taking into account how juvenile it is, she's ostensibly assuming she knows and understands how men think which is like the reverse of mansplaining. If a guy did that he'd be crucified.
>>71029416
Who cares.
People are sexualized. They're always going to be sexualized. We're sexual creatures.
Go and look at any porn site and we've categorised and fetishized women from features literally head to toe.
You sound like a fat, fedora wearing retard when you bitch about shit like this, same goes for SJWs who act like it doesn't happen both ways too.
>>71030937
>Escape certain death in war-torn country
>First thing you see on arrival is that
Just send me back senpai.
>>71029416
its 2016
>>71029884
these people are crazy and their ideals will never be accepted by mainstream culture
>>71029884
>>71034874
>>71034948
>>71034998
>>71035212
>>71035260
SAVAGE
>>71029884
So they're smart enough to admit that they're just fantasies but still continue to deconstruct it and compare it to real life.
>>71036162
>>71034998
>tfw I wasn't ready for true cancer
Do you feel weak and insecure seeing those men?
No?
Well that is the fucking difference
>>71032537
"I want to be entitled and be supposedly right about something that doesn't call for a logical solution." Hmmm doesn't really sound like a fantasy that would be articulated.
>>71036162
I was enjoying this until the "I can't even" portion. Besides that it was good.
>>71030605
>citing womyn porn as an example
You kind of disproved your own point. For women it's more complicated, the guy has more wiggle room. That's why girls get dirty books way more than guys, and guys watch porn more than girls. Often they need to paint themselves a picture of a guy who is the "complete package", and sure feminism means more sexual objectification and that being hot is more central to the profile, but it's still not the same.
A man's prerogative is to get a woman genetically suitable for bearing his children. What does that require? Traditionally physically attractive characteristics, and nothing more.
A woman's prerogative is to find a man that will give her children the best shot at survival, not just genetically, but by PROTECTING both of them, sticking around, having high social status and providing for them. That's why things like height (which is perceived to be related to high social status), income, CONFIDENCE (which men don't really care about in a woman), and maturity actually play into who a woman decides to fuck. Because if she just goes off of genetic potential, she can just as well fuck up the likelihood that her children will grow up and reproduce. The other factors are just as important.
So it's a blessing and a curse. It means fuck ugly people like Mick Jagger can get all the pussy they want because they are rich and have high social status, and it means cocky, confident but more average looking guys can get pussy, whereas girls LITERALLY only have the option of making themselves look pretty. On the other hand you could argue it's more stressful on the part of men, because they have to be EVERYTHING.
>>71030797
I thought I'd skip WW because of the jew Wondy but now I want to see it so that feminists get angry.
Quite a conundrum
>>71029500
Yes. All of these actors are. Women don't give a shit about steroids, they want results.
>>71029839
Woman are never sexualized. Those are just female power fantasies.
>>71035260
What does mansplain mean? There was a comic posted here where the same word was used
>>71034998
>I am nobody's love interest
You got that right.
>>71029500
Nah. Jackman became a health freak. The others have always had a good physique. Gems worth probably gets skinny. But the other 2 have good hypertrophy genetics.
>>71037844
T. Basement dweller with no fitness experience.
These gentlemen undoubtedly worked incredibly hard for their physiques, but to put on the lean mass they have, in the time frames they do?
The answer is chemicals, plain and simple.
Plebeians should still nevertheless recognise, that given they maintain some semblance of this lifestyle minus the raids, they will still look outstanding, only less overtly so.
>>71029444
trips is truth
>>71037724
Savage
>>71037983
This
Steroids make it possible to put on muscle quicker.
I mean they still gotta go to the gym 7 days a week to get in shape, but they can do it wayyy faster. Physiques like those take years of proper lifting natty, even if it's possible.
They're also likely sporting a pump in these short scenes by doing a quick workout beforehand.
>>71029884
>Someone actually wrote this
>Someone actually thought this was a pressing issue worthy of this much attention.
>Someone wasted god knows how long writing this drivel.
>>71034246
men in high heels, because that's sexist that girls wear them....
>>71037844
Jackman's gainz are physically impossible without steroids. Also has some telltale signs like disproportionately engorged deltoids and traps (these have more androgen receptors and so respond to steroids more strongly), and ridiculous vascularity.
But women don't give a fuck if he's a "real man." At least the ideal woman for men is genetically attainable; for women it's LITERALLY only possible by fucking up your hormone levels and potentially fucking up your long term health with steroids.
>>71031445
Not a fan of /pol/and I'm general against the ridicuous logic on this board towards how all women think, but you're perpetuating the same idea both ways actually. As anon said, you're adding nothing to the argument.
You said that bodies like those on male super heroes are meant only to appeal to a idealization of male power. Anon pointed out that it is ridiculous to claim that it can't also be seen as sexy to women. He also stated and you agreed that sexualized females can also embody idealization of female bodies and a female power fantasy( hot, smart and kick ass female) while still being used to appeal to men. You state this and simply say anon is wrong and they are right without actually refuting his argument. Your whole post was actually you agreeing with him semantically while just stating you disagree.
>>71032322
met him before when I won some meet and greet. most awkward 5 minutes of my life, the man cannot communicate
>>71031652
Shitty argument. All main chaters on TV have to be good looking by default. Male or female unless this is a specific point of their character that dictates otherwise(usually a villain). These forms have been explored with both men and women. More with men a long time ago admittedly but not so much now.
>>71032179
>http://the-orbit.net/lousycanuck/2013/08/22/hugh-jackman-for-men-vs-hugh-jackman-for-women/
That's the most retarded comparison, one is for fitness and one is for housekeeping. Wtf is wrong with people
>>71031445
>Just look at all of the low IQ neckbeards on this board that worship Schwarzenegger
Arnold is a great man, literally everything he set out to do he accomplished, someone to look up to.
You think just because he cheated on his wife or whatever it nullifies all the great things he's done with his life?
>>71034546
Get your Schopenhauer, tfwnogf bullshit out of here. You don't even have female friends let alone interact with people on an everyday basis
>>71038792
That's a nice projection you got there.
>>71029416
Oh shut the fuck up faggot. Women are getting wet and finding us attractive and you go bitching. You're like a male version of a feminist. Killjoys like you are the worst. I'd like to be displayed as manly, strong, and handsome. This isn't a problem for us males.
The REAL problem is women divorcing us men, and us having to pay alimony for their next boyfriend. The problem is women getting fat as fuck and then chasing after guys who try not to look like landwhales. The problem are whores acting overtly on their emotion, screwing up families, and then putting the blame on the guy. The problem is the media teaching the women to be sluts like Kardashians and not to be housewives. The real problem is the male bashing movement.
Get your head out of your ass. Deal with the real issues on why women are bad.
>>71034929
>>71035557
Holy shit?! Why do you have to prove anything to anyone or let anyone define you in the first place? Wth is wrong with some women? I'm a geek regardless of what anyone thinks based on my behavior and what I like and I don't have to prove that shit anyone otherwise...I just do me. Like seriously feminism needs to focus on teaching girls to figure out who they are, start living the way they want, and just not give a fuck what people think no matter what it is! I really feel like that would make women more successful than half the other shit they focus on via politics and public policy. You don't even need to read a whole damn book dedicated to it. Have some damn self-assurance in who you are. Damn, all they do is complain like I did in middle school when all the other girls were mean to me and I didn't have any friends. Get over your self and just live life...
>>71036398
A little yeah. I lift 3 times a week but I'm neither that buff or good looking.
But i don't want my insecurities to affect other people's lives. That's the difference. Ill just keep at it, improving myself instead of deriving others.
>>71036398
What the hell do you think? Most of the guyd on this board are shut ins that don't go out or have girls friends. Of course they feel insecure when they look at themselves knowing they are born fat/unfit, ugly, and autistic/socially retarded instead of handsome, strong and smooth. Now fuck off with your ideologies.
>>71030605
>In Greek theatre only men were allowed to act
>Men dressed themself as women who disguised themself as men
>>71035579
Ugh! this is why I hate feminist discussion on /tv/. You can't disagree with some without it turning to a "women are inferior circle jerk." Plenty of women disagree with that book but you just want to focus on the ones who agree with it to confirm you ideologies about ALL women. You're all a bunch of ideologues that refuses to be receptive to new ideas out of fear of being triggered and intellectual dishonesty. All of you.
>>71040148
To be fair, where can you really have that kind of discussion on the internet? 4chan's extremist reactions exist to mirror the opposite sway that's popular right now with most millenials.
The only people willing to have sane discussions about gender politics are usually the ones who aren't saying anything, because they realize that contributing to the hysteria on either side has no benefits.
>>71029416
Men are sexualized as their own strength/power. Women are sexualized as their attractiveness to men. Or something like that, I'm not an expert.
There's nothing inherently wrong with either if used appropriately.
>>71031199
>>71031445
Look m8, I'm no fan of /pol/ either, but no person thinks the same.
But not many people, regardless of gender, are attracted to a fat unfit slob.
I'm not attracted to fat unfit slobs, my sister isn't attracted to fat unfit slobs, my girlfriend likes me because i'm not a fat unfit slob.
Fuck these third wave feminists and their conspiracy bullshit. They divide society rather than unite it.
>Its another veiled angry virgin misogyny thread on /tv/
>>71036646
But they don't have to be everything. You just gave two examples of how they can be ugly and rich with confidence, not so ugly nor rich and be confident. Obviously men who have all will be sought after the most.
I disagree with men not caring about confidence. desu, confidence came shape your physical attractiveness when it comes to being marriage material(e.i. someone a guy wants to stick around for). Who's more attractive? A pretty girl who doesn't slouch, looks you in the eye and smiles( approachable) or a pretty girl who hunches over, is always nervous and rarely smiles? This goes back to how having everything being better for both genders.
>>71040148
You just did the same
>>71039005
But I'm female plus I do all of the above...at least sometimes
>>71036398
I get a boner at them.
What now?
>>71029884
You know if all males really wanted to look like rid monkeys, you'd think we wouldn't be one of the worst places in the world when it came to obesity. Also what polls and statistics show that most men would desire to look like this. And if those statistics proved that men would want to look muscular, wouldn't it show the same for women? At the end of the day, sexy women are a male power fantasy but muscular men are a female power fantasy.
>>71030253
>believing cory fucking feldman
fuck outa here.
>>71037844
>the others have always had a good physique
Actors and bodybuilders use steroids. It doesn't really matter, you don't get fucking huge using steroids and sitting on your couch all day. You could take tons of roids and it won't make you bigger if you still aren't eating well and getting out to the gym 5 times a week.
>>71029884
>>71031238
>>71031445
>buff superheroes are male power fantasies
>but female superheroes, who are equally sexy and powerful, aren't female power fantasies
If you're going to stoop to using pop psychology, an unholy mix of Freud and Foucault, at least bother to think it through so it's coherent by its own language and isn't so easy to find fallacy in. That's how intelligent bullshitters operate after all. see: French intellectuals of the 20th century
Using this same line of argument, I can easily make the case that Cinderella is a female power fantasy because she's beautiful, virtuous and has these traits recognized by the worthiest of men. The only counterargument to this is to dismiss it by saying women can't have power fantasies because women have no power, patriarchy etc. Are we really supposed to believe that Helen of Troy, whose beauty launched a thousand ships, was powerless?
Don't forget that feminists rely on a fallacious understanding of culture as progressive. Their worldview falls apart when you point out that women were powerful in the past, or that they were at one point better off in the past. For instnace the statistics showing that women were more successful in certain fields in the 20's before feminism had come to rescue them.
>>71040468
not even one (you)
here you go man no hard working bait poster should go un(you)ed
>>71040243
Well you're right in some way but dammit, at least when I disagree with something by SJWs they don't start insulting a whole group of people. Yeah their ad homs can be annoying but most of the arguments I had weren't even that bad. I can't get a break with some of the down right dehumanizing sweeping statements ion here.
>>71040493
No i didn't. Unlike you, I've actually read up on him and other books. Using knowledge of science, interaction with many different people, and reading other works, I've concluded his statements false.
>>71040827
A reasonable post on /tv/, what a breath of fresh air.
>>71035260
>Sam and Jack
>OTP for stargate
>>71029416
Because men don't give a fuck and/or are too busy actually working to pay the bills and take care of business.
Women have nothing but time on their hands to text, facebooks, makeup, clothes, bitch etc.
>>71036646
>girls get dirty books more than men, and men watch more porn then men
>mfw making the conversion
after reading well written smut, i can assure you that the women have the right idea in that it gets you hotter than a bee on wasp murder gangbang.
shame that Fanfiction writers don't usually go and write smut. smut about known characters is a much better read than about random people that you have no connection too
>>71040814
There's a study that proves that the amount of muscle mass you put on when blasting 500-600 mg of testosterone and living a sedentary lifestyle is far greater than the one you put by exercising and not taking steroids.
Obviously steroids+exercise = even more gains, but the main point here is STEROIDS = MAGIC.
>>71038239
No. Jackman eats a fuck ton of calories then goes on a strict water diet a few days before he films shirtless scenes.
>>71029884
does this bitch not believe women are sexually attracted to male superheroes? she's discounting the sexual agency of her own gender by assuming women don't care about this when in reality they very much do. it's literally the only reason most women even bother to go see those films in the first place. the guys see it because it's fun and the girls tag along because of the eye candy (but some do legitimately enjoy it regardless)
>>71031252
Absolutely confirmed to be a female. The truth is that most men won't care if you spend hours doing your hair or if you put it up in a messy bun.
>>71037664
>There was a comic posted here where the same word was used
I want this. Mansplaining means when a man uses logic and reason to illustrate feminists poor arguments they recoil by attacking his gender exclaiming HES JUST MANSPLAINING usually followed by misogyny allegations and tears
>>71041660
And it works with the other direction too. Girls dragging their boyfriends to see a chick flick, so the guys bother going to check out the latest models turned actresses. All of the best popcorn action flicks throw in sexy people of both genders so if anyone watching the movie wasn't that interested, at least they won't hate it. And if both parties were interested in the movie anyways then there isn't a net loss because who is going to complain that a movie had too many sexy people?
Answer:Ugly people or people who feel threatened by sexy people
>>71037844
Testosterone in low doses is pretty 'healthy', even more so when you are over 40yo.
>>71038239
You are fucking silly if you think women care about that shit. To an average woman all 4 probably look pretty much the same body-wise. All that vascularity and being super shredded like Jackman is to appeal to teenage boys.
>>71037664
>>71042209
this one?
>>71042825
this kind of writing is so fucking stupid and lazy but women cheer for it every time because they have no idea how to express themselves properly
>>71042825
>compels truth
>b-b-b-but manslaining
holy kek
>>71042989
the truth is how we precive it and to the best of our knowledge, not the absolute truth of the universe, but they don't realize that
>>71042825
Please, tell me it's supposed to be ironic and making fun of them
>>71030014
I mean, I guess I can't argue with that.
>>71029884
she's right
>>71029416
I'm not saying men aren't sexualized in capeshit
and I don't deny that men aren'tsexualized in tv/films in general
but I don't believe they are sexualized to the degree women are, not even in said capeshit movies
and truly, ripped (man or woman) does not equal sexualization
James Bond is sexy. Brad Pitt in Thelma in Louise, sexy. Young Marlon Brando, James Dean, Humphry Bogart. Bale in American Psycho. Paul Newman and Robert Redford in just about every movie they ever did. Robert Gere's romcoms. etc
I realize these aren't capeshit examples, but they are examples of extreme hotness and male sexiness - to further show that having a huge ripped bod playing the role of an asskicker man or man with super powers isn't automatically "sexualization".
Hypocrisy, double standards.
>>71045163
this sheds light on >>71029884
doesn't it?
if the guys I mentioned are the sexy guys of film for women...
just saying
>>71038173
this.
google search: romantic novels for women
if you want to see male objectification
>>71045316
>romantic novels for women
>implying there are romantic novels for me
lol
>>71029884
Why has nobody posted this yet?
>>71029416
>A man finding muscular other men sexy
OP as usually you're total fucking fag.
>>71045340
you'll get the same result anyway
>>71031238
I'd say some women are into men with super-hero type muscles the way some men are into curvy chicks. a lot of women are not attracted at all to body-builder types, and a lot of men don't want women with some curves (not overweight, I mean the real definition of 'thick' as sexy).
or take guys who like girls that are super slim - no boobs or small boobs. sure, there are some that find those girls the hottest.
saying women find the "superhero" physique hot is like saying men find the size zero catwalk models hot.
>>71045427
>that picture
yikes
>>71045163
You have a point, but it doesnt apply to capeshit.
They literally put it toplesss scenes for the vagina owning viewers
>>71045348
what the fuck, the file name matches but it's not what I posted?
It's supposed to be the top half of this picture:
>>71032122
I guess it was posted but shit, why did my image get replaced?
>>71045557
Maybe that's an example of it happening, which I didn't deny. I still don't think capeshit physiques are "sexualizing" men the way OP means
You guys are being very sensitive about this. Some women I had uni classes with got into a convo with me about this exact thing and they pretty much agree it's the same sexualisation of women. That whole thing stemmed from the whole Barbie setting unnatural beauty standards and thye pretty much said that was bullshit too and that boys grow up playing with muscle bound roided up wrestling figures and GI Joes. If anything, they said it's worse for men because it actually involves drug use whereas women just have to maintain body weight.
The world isn't made up entirely of nu-males and feminists /tv/, there are normal people out there.
>>71045684
No, thats exactly sexualisation.
Big muscular powerful hero man has his shirt off for you to ogle at.
Its not different from big titty bimbo in a red bikini running on the beach with those tits jiggling up and down
>>71045163
let me lay it down for you
testosterone - MALE sex hormone- more testosterone, more manly (and thus """sexualized""") the man
estrogen - FEMALE sex hormone- the more estrogen, the more feminine the woman
and yet you present a woman with testosterone levels 30 times higher than average male as an equivalent of ripped actors
>>71045878
Female chests have tits, Male chests are just male chests. it's similar. shirtless males are sexualizing males, sure. Patrick Swayze in Dirty Dancing. But it is not the equivalent of tits jiggling up and down. "not different" as you say as in "similar", but still different as in "not equal"
(as I said in the first post.)
>>71045951
the pic was an overstatement of the bodybuilders = sexy that the capeshit heros are sexualized argument insists on
bringing hormones into it is just weird. in my post I named all kinds of male movie roles that women find hot. it's about how "manly" they are, definitely, but it isn't giant muscles that makes them "manly"
I think the argument that capeshit sexualizes male bodies for gay men is stronger than it sexualizes male bodies for women.
>>71029416
Because women can't handle seeing someone better than them as well as men. They're social creatures, and they know they the more beautiful women are censored, and other women are removed from society, the more valuable they are. As opposed to a man who doesn't mind seeing someone who looks better than him.
Have you ever been watching a movie/show, but a girl made a remark and said a decent look girl was ugly? That's competition to them.
Have you ever watched a James Bond movie, and you or someone else thought about how cool it would be to be like James Bond? That's the difference.
Women want to remove their competition.
Men want to compete with them.
