What are the essential history / medieval kino (no fantasy)?
There's braveheart, Henry V, and that's literally it. How come there are so few movies set in medieval europe?
>>70915173
Not sure, but I'd bet we won't be seeing any for quite some time. A film with a majority white male cast? Never gonna happen these days.
>>70915231
I'm just sad the genre was never explorer properly. Lord of the rings came and then we suddenly started getting these D tier shitty Hollywood fantasy flicks. A well done film about the black plague or crusades would be great, or maybe a trilogy set during the war of the roses.
Theres a few tv series though. I'm not too familiar but pillars of the earth was pretty good
>>70915386
I've been meaning to watch vikings / spartacus / rome, I know it's not exactly medieval but still. Are they any good?
>>70915481
Vikings is badass for weird, simple reasons - i.e. the impeccable casting of different aged actors to play the same character over time, the blending of unexplained semi-paranormal things into a historically grounded setting and getting away with it well, season (even two) long cons that pay off with huge levels of satisfaction, that sort of thing.
Spartacus is porn and swords and awesome, low-budget 300 ripoffs. Not for everyone, but I love it.
Tri oriski pro popelko
There are a lot.
>>70915231
>implying a majority white male cast is necessary to make a film set in medieval europe
>>70915481
I liked Spartacus. Lots of tits and gory sword fights.
Excalibur?
Kingdom of Heaven
>>70915822
I'm suprised how much old Bjorn looked like young Bjorn. How did they do that?Why couldn't they have stuck with one guy for mountain in GoT?
check out black death on netflix or torrent it
>>70916106
That movie is terrible
-In the name of the rose
-Andreii rublev
-marketa lazarova
>>70915481
Rome is wonderful, but the second season is a bit lower quality than the first (but still try it).
>>70916116
well, i disagree. it was a nice psychological horror.
>>70916116
Fuck you man, Carice and Sean Bean killed imo.
>That ending
Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut
>>70915173
Get a load of this pleb who's never heard of A Knight's Tale
>>70916148
None of those actually happened
>>70916055
he said no fantasy
>>70916155
Because it's so damn rushed everything actually dealing with Rome is alright but Egypt was so rushed but Marc Antony and Lucius scenes were GOAT in Egypt.
Seconding kingdom of heaven
the princess bride
costners' robin hood i guess
knights table for arthur bullshit
Game of thrones
Harlem Knight
OP SAID HISTORY (MEDIEVAL) AND SPECIFICALLY NO MADE UP STORIES
>>70915909
I meant kino. there are a lot of shitty medieval movies but truly good ones are very rare.
the physician
Rules are meant to be a broken so I'm going to say Conan the Barbarian and Conan the Destroyer(comfy as fuck with good music)
I haven't watched Ladyhawke and Legend are they any good?
>>70916379
Excalibur
>>70916393
I hope you don't mean the 2011 one
>>70915313
>A well done film about the black plague
Black Death is pretty decent. Sean Bean smashes it, as always.
Braveheart
>Tfw Mel is barely in anything these days and The Beaver barely gets acknowledgement
>>70915173
all are ranks are broke..
>>70916450
Fuck no man I meant governator for damn sure. Even has influence from Star Wars with Thulsa Doom in one scene.
>>70916489
I forgot about that film, heard was shit, don't know why. Rechecking scores it has decent scores in RT and metacritic, but a shit one in imdb, I guess I let it influence me.
>>70915173
Black Death
![fAuZNDJ[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GTB9vpj.jpg "fAuZNDJ[2].jpg")
Fantastic movie. Probably one of the darkest of the genre too.
>>70916489
His death which really isn't a spoiler honestly hit me hard.
Is it worth watching him as Sharpe? I'm a fool for the Bean and I'm looking for stuff to watch.
The Lion in Winter
Andrei Rublev
For Love and Gold
>>70916594
Might have to watch that Hauer is pretty good and I'm looking for more JJL since I watched Hateful 8.
I liked 13th warrior too
The passion of Joan Of Arc was pretty damn good. I'm not sure what version I watched but the score was epic as fuck.
>>70916635
I highly recommend it. Don't expect to get fuzzy feelings out of it though.
It was directed by the guy who did Starship Troopers by the way, and was born out of his desire to make a realistic medieval movie that didn't portray their life as a fun and whimsical adventure.
Has anyone seen Giordano Bruno?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070109/
I know he's not from the middle ages but he is an older historical figure, and a fascinating person.
>>70916547
To be honest I couldn't tell whether it was good or bad while watching it but in the end and looking back it was quite enjoyable. Something about the way it's shot feels a bit off, I think that's why some people find it difficult to engage in.
Bean and Nyman both give fantastic performances. Fuck Eddie Redmayne, though. He's got one of the most punchable faces I've ever seen.
>>70916637
The Vikings with Antonio Banderas?
Is Troy considered fantasy because that was some good shit imo.
>Tfw never get Bean as Odysseus again.
Bean could carry the fuck out of it.
>>70916660
I'll look it up, thanks anon. Starship Troopers is so damn fun, wish there more like it but that might ruin it.
>>70916601
>His death which really isn't a spoiler honestly hit me hard.
Yeah, me too.
Haven't seen Sharpe. Everyone raves about it but I don't know, I've got a horrible feeling it's going to disappoint me.
>>70915173
ladyhawk
drgonheart
Two films that were ahead of their times
>>70916761
I completely wiped my brain of Dragonheart.
I haven't watched Ladyhawke is it worth watching?
I know it breaks the rule but it's out the window now so I say Highlander tv show & first movie, Army of Darkness and Xena because I love Lucy Lawless.
First Knight
I want this thread to stay alive.
>>70915173
This or The Virgin Spring
The Lion In Winter
The Seventh Seal (it's not fantasy, Death is not literally there, it's a visualization of Block's internal struggle)
The Virgin Spring
A Knight's Tale (the musical parts are ofc unrealistic, but again it's not fantasy)
Andrei Rublev
Black Death
Raven trilogy (this one is fucking obscure if you want to sound patrish lel)
Robin Hood (Errol Flynn one)
The Name of the Rose
Passion of Joan of Arc
Trial of Joan of Arc (dir. Bresson)
The Messenger
Black Knight
El Cid
Macbeth (Polanski v. tho tbph the Fassbender one was good too)
Henry V (you forgot the Olivier one!)
Hamlet (Olivier, and Branaugh's epic one tho it does not actually have a medieval setting)
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead
Romeo and Juliet (the 60s one)
Flesh and Blood
The Name of the Rose
Arn Knight Templar (not a movie though)
Kingdom of Heaven (dir. cut)
Man of La Mancha
>>70915313
>crusades
do your pleb self a favor and watch kingdom of heavens director cut right now
try Valhalla rising and aguirre, theyre surreal period movies but I wouldn't say fantasy
Does Shakespeare in Love count?
>>70917212
forgot to add, Hamlet is debatably fantasy but it is a debate which has made and unmade careers in academia so for our purposes it counts as non-fantasy and fantasy
>>70917212
>The Name of the Rose
This has pretty good atmosphere. The book is also good, with a lot of historical anecdotes
>>70917264
>medieval
>>70917264
That movie has nothing to do with historical reality. William Shakespeare could not, unaided, have produced the immortal writings bearing his name.
He did not possess the necessary literary culture, for the town of Stratford where he was reared contained no school capable of imparting the higher forms of learning reflected in the writings ascribed to him. His parents were illiterate, and in his early life he evinced a total disregard for study. There are in existence but six known examples of Shakspere's handwriting. All are signatures, and three of them are in his will. The scrawling, uncertain method of their execution stamps Shakspere as unfamiliar with the use of a pen, and it is obvious either that he copied a signature prepared for him or that his hand was guided while he wrote. No autograph manuscripts of the "Shakespearian" plays or sonnets have been discovered, nor is there even a tradition concerning them other than the fantastic and impossible statement appearing in the foreword of the Great Folio.
Shakspere's daughters were illiterate. His daughter Judith, at the age of 27, could not even sign her name.
If this guy wrote the plays bearing his name how would he have permitted his own daughter to reach womanhood and marry without being able to read one line of the writings that made her father wealthy and locally famous? It makes no sense.
>>70915173
The Decameron has been remade a number of times. It's early renaissance (black plague era) but you get the point.
Check it out.
Another obvious one is Robin Hood movies which are set in medieval England.
>>70915173
they're not medieval, but kenneth branagh hamlet is as good as his henry v. also Amadeus just because it's a good historical movie in general
>>70915173
the duelists is a good ridley scott film. a few centuries removed from medieval though
>>70917212
Black Knight as in Martin Lawrence? That's a comfy ass movie imo.
![Ogniem_i_Mieczem_plakat[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zI7cRve.jpg "Ogniem_i_Mieczem_plakat[1].jpg")
One of the best things to come out of Poland
Does Monty Python count?
I hate that ending because it ruins the whole setting.
>>70917326
The Decameron is interesting, as is Canterbery Tales (also by Pasolini)
>no Rob Roy
You people need to catch up on your Liam Neesons.
>>70917368
I hoped someone would catch that
>>70917451
It just made me think your list was to be a joke honestly
>>70917445
> tfw my last name is MacGregor
I'll do you proud Rob, I'll do you proud.
>>70917451
A part from the dream shit it's pretty top tier.
I think that and Blue Streak are some funny ads movies.
Robin Hood with Russel Crow is a fantastic fucking movie. I wish it got the love it deserved.
>>70916182
I fell for the meme, this movie is pure garbage. It's literally Gladiator with all of the fun and goodness sucked out of it.
>>70917445
This movie is criminally underrated
>>70917522
You're not a complex thinker
>>70917149
GO TOGETHER LIKE RAMMA LAMMA LAMMA KA DINGA DA DINGA DONG
>>70917766
Okay homo
Not to co-opt this thread, but this seems better than making my own.
What are some of the best historical drama TV shows? Preferably nothing set post-1900, with stuff from classical antiquity taking highest priority.
Shows I've seen already:
>Rome
>Deadwood
>Marco Polo
>Vikings
>Turn: Washington's Spies
>The Borgias
>Borgia: Faith and Fear (Way fucking better than The Borgias)
I'm sure there's more I can't remember presently.
More Hauer
The Mill and the Cross
>>70917895
Tried The Tudors yet? All your missing.
>>70917962
Actually haven't seen that one yet. I'll check it out, thanks.
>>70917895
I forgot Spartacus and The Last Kingdom in this list, before anyone suggests them.
>>70917895
wolf hall
>>70917445
>When between shooting the cast went skinny dipping in the freezing cold lake. Liam Neeson, who famously has been quoted as having a cock the size of 'an Evian bottle', exited the lake to find his co-stars staring open mouthed at his massive penis, joking, "What, does yours shrink in cold water too?"
Witty bastard.
>>70917895
Would you take one thing show after 1900?
Bates Motel is top tier so break your one rule.
>>70918562
Wasn't so much a rule as a preference, and I have been meaning to watch that. I'll check it out after The Tudors and Wolf Hall.
>>70916089
Mostly takes place in not-Europe.
>>70918640
Yeah you've got a year until next season and 5 will be GOAT. Check out the Americans it follows 80's cold war Russian "spies", if you heard of that semen demon awhile back named Anna Chapman who was deported for espionage you'll enjoy it.
>>70917445
Ever sex scene in this movie was consensual.
I haven't watched anything made before the nineties: the thread.
>>70918529
How is that in any way witty?
>>70919076
In terms of television, the 90's were when things actually started to get good.
>>70916261
>knights table for arthur bullshit
wat
![MorKng[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9odvEom.jpg "MorKng[1].jpg")
>>70919346
OP literally mentions two films.
medieval kino was all over the place until the 70s where the stage-acting conventions it used on got supplanted by method acting and docu-realism.
>>70915173
try charlton heston in The War Lord. Norman knight tries to repel an invasion on Frisians into a remote part of Normandy in the early 12th century. They got the costumes right and the plot is halfway decent. Good production value for the era, too.
>>70916594
paul verhoeven owns
>>70917895
>Turn: Washington's Spies
how do you get past the cheesy bad CW drama, I wanted to like that show so hard.
>>70917322
>If this guy wrote the plays bearing his name how would he have permitted his own daughter to reach womanhood and marry without being able to read one line of the writings that made her father wealthy and locally famous? It makes no sense.
women have been second-class citizens since the dawn of homo sapiens
>>70915173
Because no one knows about the Byzantines.
>tfw no HBO series on Byzantium's Macedonian dynasty
>>70916916
>I haven't watched Ladyhawke is it worth watching?
Rutger Hauer. If you have to watch it for anything, watch it for him.
>>70919837
yeah the purple guys from total war.
>>70915386
Never watched Pillars of the Earth, but they did a sequel series set 200 years later during the black death and 100 years war called World Without End and its really good
>>70917322
yeah bro, that's why the movie has no connection to historical reality.
the cheesy comedy scenes where a taxi driver (sorry, boatman) tries to get him to read a script he's done have nothing to do with it.
>>70919852
All I know is Berserk got ideas from it.
>>70918901
and it's shit
>>70917322
>Shakspere's daughters were illiterate. His daughter Judith, at the age of 27, could not even sign her name.
>If this guy wrote the plays bearing his name how would he have permitted his own daughter to reach womanhood and marry without being able to read one line of the writings that made her father wealthy and locally famous? It makes no sense.
if only he'd written a play detailing his views of women which might explain not bothering to educate his daughters.
>>70919741
It's kind of insane that there are no modern Norman invasion movies.
>Hastings
>the harrying of the north
>the push into Wales
>the invasion of Ireland
>the conquering of Sicily and half of Italy
>the Norman city-states in modern-day Turkey and Syria
So much rich material to draw upon.
>>70920025
it's because the natural "bad guys" win and then keep winning until everyone has to accept them as the good guys. it's not compelling drama.
>>70915173
Ironclad
Not sure if this counts, but it's my fav movie of all time so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Oe4My_V5I
>>70917445
that movie was dog shit though
Muh honor
lovin this thread
>>70920112
That was pretty bad, probably could have chosen a better scene to sell people on the movie
>>70920041
you're thinking too large. you make the scope way smaller, make the stakes personal.
>>70915173
>Braveheart
>not fantasy
>>70915481
> 793 AD
>not medieval
>>70921596
So... Saving Private Ryan was fantasy too?
K I N O
>>70915231
They're been putting niggers into medieval stories lately. I find it pretty fucking funny.
13th Warrior was amazing for me when I was a kid. Today I dislike it because of the muslim shit, if it was a tale of 12 viking men fighting the bears it would have been perfect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mraO8JZbSkg
>>70921748
>because of the muslim shit
It's hardly a big influence on the movie though
>>70921748
Never watched it, what "muslim shit" do you speak of?
>>70917895
I Claudius
>>70921780
The main character is an arab
That's about the extent of it, no clue what he's on about
>>70921780
It's adapted from a travelogue by Ahmad ibn Fadlan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Fadlan) that segues into a retelling of Beowulf. It's really awesome. The book's better, though.
>>70921840
>>70921880
Interesting. I don't like Islam but the idea of Muslims interacting with Viking culture sounds neat.
>>70916393
Legend theatrical cut is very average
El Cid
>>70921812
mein nigga
lavilla raunchiest gril
>>70916761
>essential history / medieval kino (no fantasy)
>history / medieval kino (no fantasy)
>no fantasy
>>70917212
you forgot
>The Valley of the Bees
>>70915173
Why does Hollywood keep ignoring her?
>a strong accomplished woman
>can fit blacks in her story and it will work
>popular historical figure
>>70915173
Eastern (and Central) Europe produced a lot of good movies. For exmple:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDj5UPZNzsU
And this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXRiVNqlAk
besides the fact its not what OP was requesting, Ladyhawke is just pathetic jewish schlock disguised as "medieval fantasy", don't watch it OP, or to see what I mean, just compare it to the wonderful Excalibur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CztbQ4Fgv_w
For those who've seen The Name of the Rose check out Cadfael with David Jacobi.
>>70915481
Rome is so far ahead of the others it isn't even funny.
>>70917655
your taste is objectively poor
>>70921812
Based
Chimes at Midnight by Orson Welles
>>70915173
You should watch the BBC's recent Hollow Crown tv show, it covers Henry VI and Richard III
>>70915481
Vikings is Medieval. So is the Last Kingdom which is set just after Vikings, in fact Vikings is almost caught up to the point Last Kingdom begins. 9th century.
>>70916393
Both are pretty fun 80s fantasy, Legend moreso. If you smoke, smoke before watching Legend.
>>70915173
>I know not if the day be ours or no
>The day is yours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VlIjkL6fMI
GOAT
>>70915481
Vikings is complete bullshit.
Has nothing to do with history.
>>70915173
This is the best Shakespeare adaptation one of the greatest movies of all time
>>70923331
The first series was better,
Henry iv part 1 > Henry v > Richard ii > Henry iv part 2
>>70923850
For I am Welsh you know!
Incredibly moving when he finds out he's won and his strength finally leaves him and he falls down a mess
>>70919346
The 90's are where everything that requires high budget started to get good in general.
80s and prior are only good for movies set in their time where they didn't have to literally create worlds from scratch, see star wars, shit looks like a homemade movie nowadays.
>>70916222
>Men who knew Alexander once stood here...
ESSENTIAL HENRIAD-CORE:
Becket
The Lion in Winter
Henry V
A Man For All Seasons
>>70915173
kek, braveheart?
The film where the Battle of Stirling Bridge was fought in a field nowhere near a river? Where Isabella of France (who should be 3 years old) is off having an affair and getting knocked up?
Try again chum.
>>70916601
>>70916745
Sharpe is great.
Would highly recommend it.
>>70925409
shut up fag
>>70915173
>There's braveheart, Henry V, and that's literally it.
>this is what /v/ has done to this board
>>70918562
how is psycho bates motel even related with /his/ tv series?
>>70915173
Eeh Henry V was not that good also black death is a good medieval movie if you haven't watched it.
The Messenger is pretty gud
>>70916194
Knight's tale is the shittiest medieval themed movie I've ever watched.
>lets put modern music into a medieval movie it will be so funny XD lmao
>>70916393
As much as I love both conan movies its not what OP wanted.
>>70915173
>>70915173
Ironclad is pretty good
>no Cromwell
>no Lion in Winter
>no Becket
>no Zulu
>no Man for All Seasons
I hate neo-/tv/
>>70916637
For some reason antonia banderas does arab roles really well.
>>70926809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5721jWjg8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYTeqYW5zvU
>>70926970
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0zYZhJXELQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pGKiOi76cI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtMMY-QqRYQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tALpizMxU-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4-MkDLJJeA
>>70919837
Oh those guys who lost constantinople to the turks.
>>70920069
This was a fucking nice movie, to bad they changed the lead actor in the second one also the protag got butchered by making him an edgy whoremonger.
>>70917322
Eh, he could've dictated his stuff, much like Homer did
>>70922165
>Medieval
>>70926779
I was just giving the guy some recommendations and I think of the show that never was after the original movie. Hell you get rid of smart phones and most of the modern amenities it's pretty damn perfect for a Pyscho prequel.
/His/ It's more of a frame of mind to me.
>Braveheart
>kino
>>70915173
Henry V is pure kino
Are there any good movies on the mughals?
I dont wanna watch some bollywood flick with 17 dance numbers.
>>70915822
Spartacus is also good characterization, great writing, and an emotional story. But of course plebs like yourself only notice DUDE BOOBS AND SWORDS LOL but it is much more than that.
>>70919926
>>70919852
It's one of those movies that makes you cry manly tears.
![cor.tv.victorian.romance.emma.s1.02.[3D7ED2CD].mkv_snapshot_17.57_[2016.06.17_19.49.09].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8QRp57Q.jpg "cor.tv.victorian.romance.emma.s1.02.[3D7ED2CD].mkv_snapshot_17.57_[2016.06.17_19.49.09].jpg")
>>70917895
Emma: A Victorian Romance might be worth checking out if you're ok with anime. As far as I know it's historically accurate (and employed a historical advisor).
>>70916489
The Seventh Seal is kind of about the black plague right? I'd put it in the top ten films of all time.
>>70926994
Spain has a lot of history with Arabs because of the days were it was mostly dominated by Islam, probably has a bit to do with it.
>>70917322
Shakespeare and his plays were full of memes and even considered pleb tier in their time, so having literary culture is not really an issue I think.
Hard to be a God is true patrician taste.
>>70923331
Is that the one where they have black actors playing major roles in medieval England because if it is i saw an advert for it and thought it looked good and then the Queen appears and shes black how can anyone watch that and take it serious its just historically fucked and would put me off.
Kingdom of heaven (directors cut)
but yeah the genre is severly lacking in quality movies, most of it is just shite like ironclad, which can be fun to watch but nothing stunning or remarkable
>>70921741
its not beyond the realm of possibility that there may be black/ arab etc merchants, mercenarys and missionaries lurking about, but when its clear they are there for token muh diversity value only it really hurts my suspension of disbelief
>>70930816
>history / medieval kino (no fantasy)
either your reading comprehension isn't the best or you didn't even get the basic plot
Bravehearts one of my favorite movies but they could have done so much better imagine if they had been a bit more historically accurate with the battle at Stirling bridge plus claiming Longshanks to be a pagan is nonsense didnt he even go on a crusade during his reign? Braveheart couldve been fucking goat if abit more accurate.
>>70930727
tfw people in 400 years will hark back at the big bang theory as THE cultural phenomenon of our era
and stupid stupid kids will go to university to study it
>>70921621
medieval is norman conquest of Britain to end of the war of the roses you twit
![arnax095-5e03-9jpg-22738b6df5dee048[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/J79P6Xx.jpg "arnax095-5e03-9jpg-22738b6df5dee048[1].jpg")
's okay i guess
Europe is fine and all,
but why are there never american movies about chinese history? I have no real concept of their eras or history.. Only a vague idea of that one emperor that conquered everywhere just to end the nonstop wars and got the tomb with all the statues.
Seriously their history must be fascinating
>>70931184
Look at how people in the near past 1600s-1800s looked at foreigners with shock and curiosity in fact look at some areas even in the World today when a White person is there people were crowding around amused to see a strange sight so imagine how it wouldve been back then and there may have been a small amount of foreigners in trading ports and maybe large cities but it woulve been a tiny amount probably 99.9% of people back then would never have seen anyone different from them but when you see it in Medieval films they treat it as if people back then were as used to it as we are and were multicultural in the BBCs Robin Hood series they had Black villagers in Medieval England it completely destroys the immersion.
>>70931384
4000 YEARS OF CHINESE HISTORY
great thread, guys.
Can't believe that can still happen with the full cape-shit saturation this board is undergoing.
>>70932778
Usually I have better conversations on /v/ when it comes to movies.
>>70931384
It's mostly fictional/kung fu shit.
Shogun is a good miniseries, and my favorite one that's somewhat close is Curse of The Golden Flower.
First movie I ever watched subbed and that was a good one to start with imo
>>70915231
The director of The Witch is working on a medieval movie next. Should be accurate and atmospheric if nothing else.
First Knight
Based Richard Gere
>>70915173
The most difficult thing about medieval films is tryin to convey the importance of the nobility.
Like, people hear the terms Duke and Earl thrown around without ever really understanding what those titles meant and entitled people to.
Trying to explain the importance of things like that, as well as the fanatical importance of religion in such times means the modern viewer is essentially robbed of the greatness of some of those stories.
>>70931273
hard to be a god is sci-fi
>>70915173
Elizabeth was good despite the protestant propiganda and shoehorned fake romances
>>70931322
OP should watch this. It's pretty good, kind of a love story too.
Also try 1066 - Battle of Middle Earth for hype shit.
