What is the most pretentious film of all time?
Tree of Life or the Fountain
The Holy Mountain
The Holy Fountain
>>70890443
The Holy Mountain is not pretentious because it doesn't insist upon it's own relevancy or meaning. Sure a lot that doesn't make sense happens, and a lot is extremely open to interpretation. But it never feels like it's doing anything but presenting these abstract acid fueled journeys to you.
The Fountain, on the other hand, is fucking pretentious garbage. Anyone who likes it is a fucking retard and knows nothing about film.
Beyond The Black Rainbow.
The Holy Fountain on the Mountain of Life
>>70890397
You know who uses the word pretentious on 4chan? Pretentious people.
everything by Terrence Malick
Monty Python and the Holy Mountain
ITT:
>The
>the
>Holy
>>70890488
>it doesn't insist upon it's own relevancy or meaning
lmao you just won the prize for daily pretentious award
>>70890397
>>70890488
>>70890610
ah, that word again, pretentious. the term people with limited critical thinking skills use when presented with a film they are incapable, for various reasons, of appreciating. whenever i hear that term irl, i'm grateful because i automatically know i'm dealing with a dunce or someone with a limited capacity for critical thought.
>>70890488
>it doesn't insist upon it's own relevancy or meaning
Come on now, you fully well know it's pretentious as fuck
empire by andy Warhol
Cache and the white ribbon. Malick is not pretentious at all.
>>70890905
>>70891244
not that guy, but, no, it doesn't
jodorowsky just seems like a guy who makes movies for his own pleasure and doesn't give a shit about what other people think about them
that's as far from pretentious as you can get
Donny Darko
Begotten
Anything by Lars von trier
Cremaster cycle
two of the most pretentious things together in one film: dogs (got to pick up their shit) and basketball (excruciatingly painful "sport" to watch)
Begotten
Too many of them to count.
Twenty years ago I stopped watching cinéma completely, instead opting to take part in my local kino commune. I've watched pieces that technically don't exist, and it's nothing but trash.
http://imgur.com/a/98ipg
this piece of shit pretends it has any merit whatsoever when in reality literally everything especially from a production standpoint is calculated to attract praise and awards.
its basically like some scumbag decided to combine tarkovsky imagery with apocalypto and the stylistic choices of malick (literally hiring the same dp and this time telling him to go all in and use as many camera gimmicks as he wants) and a few other lesser known works as ham handedly as possible and it managed to work on a bunch of fucking retards who dont even know if they want to classify it as high or low art, they just know they're supposed to like it.
pretty much everything about this movie is overdone; the cinematography, the casting and performances, the runtime, the length of the production itself, the fucking acceptance speeches..
total fucking garbage.
anyone who actually liked this fucking disaster should remove themselves back to their containment board.
>>70893692
>Tarkovsky imagery.
Please don't call it that, there's influence of Chivo's cinematography if anything (which he created with Malick), few bits like the woman were Tarkovsky nods, yes but not nearly enough to call it all Tarkovksy influenced.
And it's a simple old testament like revenge tale brought down by its length and ending
It's not as bad as you letterboxd faggots or whatnot want to believe.
>>70893437
>Two thousand years ago I stopped watching cinéma
ft4u
Batman V Superman
>>70890397
Anything ever made by Chris Nolan.
>>70890617
Do people unironically think Malick is pretentious? Regardless of if his films click with you, surely you can see the sincerity and emotion he puts into them. Not at all pretentious
>>70890617
You just have low IQ, his films are far from pretentious.
Shit like Ex Machina is *pretentious*
Half the people who use that word don't know what it means and couldn't analyse a film to save their life.
>>70894029
I think a lot of people feel like it's pretentious due to the constant and often grating voiceover.
EoE
>>70894142
Not even the most pretentious gooktoon, lad.
There Will Be Blood, The Master
>>70890397
Anything attached to either Harmony Korina or Larry Clark
>>70894223
Neither of those are even remotely pretentious
>>70893825
This seemed too sincere to be pretentious
>>70894185
Shit youre right
Love them both though
>>70894185
what exactly was pretentious about that one? Its rather straightforward being a metaphor for christian spiritual growth while showing off some pretty surreal pictures.
>>70893792
yea, you're a fucking idiot too. its not even influenced; its cut and paste with a few tweaks for reasons i dont even understand, since people who know know what hes copying, and those that don't, don't. he didn't exactly disguise it enough to enter the realm of ambiguity.
spoiler alert: i still give it a 6.5/10 or so. from a technical perspective it is really impressive at times, as you would expect from an overachieving tryhard director. and a lot of the problems (almost all of them actually) go back to the director. i can't easily fault anyone else in the production, maybe the script left a bit to be desired (he had a hand in that too) but it wasn't bad removed from the context of what it was turned into.
theres a better version of this movie (type, themes, style) in there somewhere.its called the assassin and its also overrated for a lot of the same reasons but its better than this
following up that recommendation, i gotta say; intent matters. and when you're making "art" with flagrantly reused elements and nothing to say for the sake of awards, you're doing it wrong. take your manufactured "arthouse blockbuster" and fucking kill yourself.
>>70894078
I don't think it was pretentious, it just didn't have anything new to say, so it felt old and rehashed. And when you take the subjectmatter (which is hard to understand, and the writer didn't really either) into consideration, it's easy to see it as pretentious. I don't think it was though, I honestly feel like Garland was interested in what it was he was writing about. Garland get's a lot of shit from people who thinks he's pretentious, I don't think he is. I just think that he isn't very smart.
>>70894332
>Comparing HHH to Tarkovsky influenced cinema let alone AGI
lol, moron
>>70894333
Garland is doing what is essentially a remake of Tarkovsky's STALKER next (even EM was influenced by Andrei).
I found EM just incredibly stupid and that sort of digital cinematography was just not for me
There was one stunning imagery in EM when Ava is against few trees as a silhouette though
>>70894308
That's pretentious
>>70894516
Hard to call it pretentious when it spends at least 40 minutes of heavy exposition and back and forth dialogue to get its point across.
The remake is better, shoot me.
crash
>>70893846
nah this film isn't pretentious
>>70893437
why does this pig faced cunt think she's hot shit?
>>70890527
Fuck off
le epik Interstellar
>>70894078
this post belongs in the psuedo-cinephile starter pack
>>70894600
>>70894640
hah triggert
>>70894640
I'm sorry but Terrrence's films are simple narratives. Only thing that might throw you off is lack of conventional dialogue, but that's nothing since Terrence is hell bent on telling the story through very distinct visuals (what you see)
>>70892748
>Cache and the white ribbon
Kill yourself.
Inception
anything by bergman. god i can't fucking stand him.
Anything made before 1980 is automatically pretentious because I don't have the attention span to watch it.
Everything that's ever won an Oscar.
Elephant, Nolan movies (especially TDKR, Inception and Interstellar) Deadpool (I've never seen a movie so pleased with itself for accomplishing so little)
But for real, I think Nolan literally loves the smell of his own farts.
The way I see it, being pretentious is only bad if you actually fail to achieve what you aspire to do.
>>70890433
This so much.
>>70890443
>>70890527
>>70892913
>>70892941
>>70893309
>>70894185
All of these are good films.
>>70894516
The novel is much better.
>>70895641
>loves the smell of his own farts.
I-Isn't that normal?
>>70894558
I didn't get it though, so it is.
>>70895963
But if something is pretentious, it doesn't aspire to do much, it just wants to seem like it did. That's why neither Tree of Life not Beyond the Black Rainbow are pretentious, because while (imo) the former succeeded and the latter failed, both tries something with sincerity. It's stuff like Villeneuve and Iñarritu with empty gestures that attempt to create the illusion of depth that are truly pretentious. They want to seem deep or complex without actually striving for anything
Spring breakers
![sodom1_1432542998-768x432[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SI7PrmF.jpg "sodom1_1432542998-768x432[1].jpg")
Salo (120 Days of Sodom)
It was just an excuse to have alot of naked people and sex
>>70896313
>. It's stuff like Villeneuve and Iñarritu with empty gestures that attempt to create the illusion of depth that are truly pretentious
Pretty much
Sicario = widely known fact paraded as BREAKING NEWS DARK SECRET.
Prisoners = full of empty religious symbolism.
>>70895641
>Deadpool
seriously. what a fucking self-masturbatory movie
![Eraserhead[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dOwjU5w.jpg "Eraserhead[1].jpg")
I'll just leave this here
>>70896438
dude it's totally a commentary on fascism maaan just like Serbian film it's political satire maaan
>>70896438
Fuck that movie and fuck this guy.
>>70896523
Lynch isn't pretentious, his fans are
he just makes weird shit that doesn't make sense and his dumbfuck followers eat it up and ask for more while he laughs his ass off
Anything by Catherine Breillat
That one movie that used Scarlet Johanssen's tits to trick you into sitting through an hour and a half of the most boring shit in the world.
Pretentious =/= bad. You all realise that, right?
>>70892617
You can't hide from me /k/athloic, I haven't forgotten.
>>70896588
how is pretentious good?
pierrot le fou
>>70895439
Ive seen persona, Fanny and alexander and Wild strawberrys.
I dont understand how any of them could be viewed as pretentious (maybe other than persona for its non-traditional filming/storytelling methods, which arent even pretentious just unusual).
Wow, no one has posted 2001: A Space Odyssey yet?
>>70890397
Magnolia
>>70896687
wouldn't be my Kubrick choice. I'd go with EWS
>>70894078
I wouldn't call Ex Machina pretentious at all. Oh, it was a total mess that didn't know what story it wanted to tell, and seemed completely confused about what message it wanted the audience to take from it, but it was always TRYING to get a clear message across and didn't spend too much time dwelling on the navel-gazing "but what IS humanity, really?" bullshit that most A.I. stories do.
![MV5BMjAxMzY3NjcxNF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTI5OTM0Mw@@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,675,1000_AL_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3je52Ih.jpg "MV5BMjAxMzY3NjcxNF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTI5OTM0Mw@@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,675,1000_AL_[1].jpg")
The normies love this movie but ehh
>>70896687
No one has posted it due the fact that it isn't pretentious.
>>70896743
2 deep 4.5 u
I saw an incredibly pretentious "film" at this movie festival thing in the town square
Ballet Mécanique, it's some 1920s French Dada shit. Literally 20 minutes of objects changing their positions to horrible music
>>70896712
EWS and 2001 are great tho, and neither is pretentious
battle in heaven
>>70896523
Not pretentious, just surreal.
I actually found it darkly comedic on a second watch. You can tell that the film doesnt take itself seriously. A bit like Twin peaks.
>>70896687
The longest beginning ever. I almost fell asleep so many times.
>>70896765
It's the definition of pretentious
>>70896793
someday you'll learn there's more to film than posing questions and not answering them. Just because Kubrick was a technical autist who wasted 2 weeks of his life re-recording a tapping sound doesn't make everything he touched gold
>>70896864
I agree, but I hold that those two and Barry Lyndon are fantastic films. The rest of Kubrick's filmography is much more overrated
Only God Forgives
Holy shit
>>70896864
Oh look, babby finally reached his "Kubrick isn't good anymore" phase. Don't worry, you'll get over it, someday you'll learn why his films are more than posing questions without answers. Certainly many of his movies are overrated, but there's a reason he's so highly regarded in the first place
El Topo was so pretentious I cringed.
>all that heavy handed Jesus symbolism
>>70896313
You're a poseur and an enemy of authentic cinema. Leave this board pleb.
>>70896989
I actually like most of his films but EWS is on the bottom for me. I'm well aware of the themes and the production process and what he was going for, it just didn't come off at all.
ITT: we find out /tv/ doesn't understand the simple meaning of one word.
Under the Skin
Didn't even watch it for the tits. I legitimately thought the trailer was interesting. But if you looked up "interesting" in a thesaurus, Under the Skin would be listed as an antonym.
Empire
>>70896996
>taking Jodorowsky unironically
you goofed son. He's the Mr. Brainwash of filmmaking
>>70897000
Lmao, you think Malick isn't authentic cinema but fucking Villeneuve is? We're discussing pretension, and striving to appear as more than you are is LITERALLY what pretentious actually means. Kill yourself my man
>>70896816
>I almost fell asleep so many times.
Opinion discarded
>>70896864
>doesn't make everything he touched gold
True. Spartacus and Fear and Desire are both garbage. Lolita and Killers Kiss aren't very good either, but the rest is gold.
Spring breakers
>>70897097
>authentic
>the person who directed knight of cups and to the wonder
Loving every laugh. He hasn't made a good film since the seventies.
>>70897082
another example of the following being more pretentious than the author. Warhol was all about showing the same image over and over again to deconstruct the meaning behind it. Now there are cunts lining up for 2 hours to watch Empire at some artsy theater and feel good about themselves
>>70897057
>I'm just here to pretend to be smarter than everybody, I'm not actually posting examples
Using pretentious as a criticism is the hallmark of a pleb.
>>70897336
"attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed"
sounds like a negative attribute and therefore worthy of criticism. Are you gonna expand on that, anon?
Which is the lazier "criticism", pretentious or boring?
>>70897399
lazy
>>70897188
Way to out yourself as a pleb. TTW had its problems but Knight of Cups phenomenal and showed Malick operating on a level few directors today can.
Even if you don't like them personally, Malick, who makes sincerely and with intent, is hardly an "enemy of cinema" compared to both the empty moneymakers and the offensive movies that serve to seem deep without truly creating any substance
You know it's true.
>>70897388
>>70897514
reddit spacing
>>70897548
literal autism
>>70890948
So no film ever has appeared pretentious to you. You never saw a film punch above its weight intellectually? That means your intellectually beneath every film ever made. Your the dunce my friend.
>>70897548
what the fuck does this even mean?
Requiem for a Dream
>>70897589
>Your the dunce my friend.
Boyhood
>>70897645
Your the dunce and your to stupid to realize it
>>70897676
excuse me anon I don't think you quite grasp how long it took to produce that motion picture
>fuck this film was too deep for me. I know, i'll just call it pretentious, then it's the films fault and not mine for failing to understand it!
>>70896159
Can confirm. I love the smell of my own farts. The nastier the better. It gives me a feeling of pride.
>>70896628
It's just irrelevant to the quality of a film
There are films that are amazing despite being pretentious, and films that are shit without being pretentious
>>70897769
so there is not a single pretentious film in the history of cinema?
>>70897806
the "quality" of a film is an entirely subjective criteria, unless talking about pure production value. Therefore there is no set of criticisms that are "unacceptable", including "pretentious"
>>70897687
>Your the dunce and your to stupid to realize it
wow, the irony. wait, you're baiting, right? good one, mate! got me.
>>70892617
thats not a film, its an art installation
its a representation of boredom, and is intended to have those who watch it and analyse it be mocked
his other pieces are pretentious. thats the only one which isnt.
>>70897808
Not him, but the use of pretentious is in the wrong place. Films that are confusing or inaccessible or different or dense are often labeled as pretentious because the viewer didn't understand them. And I think it's almost always true that these movies are not pretentious. It's hard to think that directors would make something insincerely, knowing it may not make much money.
There are pretentious movies though, and those are the ones that offer empty gestures and false depth in an attempt to make people feel smart for liking it. They don't offer anything, they just pose as something with more complexity
>>70890397
>ITT: kids who thing pretentious means anything innovative or contrarian.
>>70898011
>There are pretentious movies though,
well ok post one this is the point of the thread
>>70897522
It was a great advance for cinema, so I wouldn't call it pretentious
Une homme qui dort
Wavelength
>>70898035
>kids who thing
>>70896541
How did people not find this movie funny? Utter bullshit. Absolutely no characters in the entire film, and we're expected to care what happens to them.
>>70898084
I made a mistake, sue me
>>70896687
Because it's not a film that assumes it's more important/deep than what it's saying.
>>70898123
you'll be hearing from my legal representatives
>>70898057
What exactly did it advance? Hollywood's ability to ruin the natural landscapes of other countries? Techniques for filming fat guys that won't learn their lines?
THIS
>>70898157
To me that movie broke the limits of cinema in terms of reality/fiction. To this time, that movie is far better than any movie with CGI involved.
>>70890397
Nymphomniac PT 2?
>>70898284
Nope. Your straight up wrong. Fucking casual.
>>70898284
Most pretentious answer in the whole thread.
From Hearts of Darkness:
>“Nothing is so terrible as a pretentious movie, a movie that aspires for something really terrific and doesn’t pull it off is shit, it’s scum, and everyone will walk on it as such. And thats why poor filmmakers, in a way, that’s their greatest horror, is to be pretentious. So here you are on the one hand, to try to aspire to really do something, on the other hand you’re not allowed to be pretentious. Why don’t you say fuck it, I don’t care if I’m pretentious or not pretentious or if I’ve done it or haven’t done it, all I know is that I’m gonna see this movie, and that for me it has to have some kind of answers, and by answers I don’t mean just a punchline, but answers on about 47 different levels, and it’s very hard to talk about these things without sounding corny, you use a word like self-purgatrion or epiphany, they think you’re either some kind of religious weirdo or asshole college professor, but those are the words for the process, this transmutation, this renaissance, this rebirth, which is the basis of all life.”
What did he mean by this?
>>70898521
haha they use pretentious as a criticism, what plebs
>>70890397
Waking Life
Every person I've encountered that likes it has been a try hard mouth breathing dipshit without exception
>>70896668
if you're going to go with jlg for pretentious choose something like masculin, femenin
>>70898065
wavelength has nothing pretentious about it, just a different way of telling a story, and it's purely visual
the monologues on a homme qui dort are tedious, but the film isn't pretentious
>>70890397
knight of cups
>>70897043
>His tie not perfecty lined with the triangle
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>70893692
I wouldn't go so far as to call it complete garbage, but the amount of tarkovski rip-off sequences/shots really bothered me and really hurt the pacing of the film.... anyway innaritu's a hack (biutiful being his only good film)
How can I know if a film is pretentious? Maybe director just couldn't pull off what he wanted and made a bad film. I wouldn't call that pretentious. I mean if director is making a film that isn't representing his own views he is the only one losing and he has to live knowing that he could have made a film he wanted but instead he made a film only to to get respect from others.
The Revenant
Magnolia
Inception
The Fountain
The Holy Mountain is not pretentious, it's obviously having fun with itself.
>>70899440
>How can I know if a film is pretentious?
When you can telll the director is airhead, especially easy to detect in Villeneuve's films where symbolism (cheapest type of way to add substance) is devoid of meaning (there to make you think, oh that is SYMBOL! It is the CROSS upon which Christ was nailed!) while the film itself doesn't build up, add context or anything to that symbolism.
IE. referential, without context or 'depth' within the film, exterior to film, meaningless if you try to find meaning to it from the film.
Jesus I hope I explained that somewhat properly.
>>70890948
I agree with you in most cases, but it's not like the word is meaningless. Basically, if something presents itself as though it's describing something the audience doesn't understand instead of just presenting the ideas in a more neutral way, or takes itself more seriously than the weight of its content merits I might use the word pretentious. But that would just be the blanket term to wrap up the rest of my criticisms, because it obviously doesn't count for anything unless you back it up with actual points. Is that fair?
>>70899710
Not the same anon, but I agree with you that if a person can explain why he thinks film is pretentious then that is a valid criticism.
>>70899593
Thanks, that was pretty good explanation and it makes sense. I saw "Prisoners" couple of years ago, but I don't actually even remember what the plot was about.
>>70899593
>I didn't understand Enemy
>>70890617
Badlands wasn't pretentious in the least
Every film I don't like is pretentious shit
>>70890433
Yesish for ToL, no for the fountain.
>>70892951
Nah, some of his stuff is pretty good. You should watch Breaking the Waves, and I know a lot of people hate it, but Antichrist is a great horror movie.
>>70893692
I thought it was pretty decent. Really good cinematography and immersion for the... I guess action sequences. I did think Leo hammed it up a little bit, definitely not the movie I'd say was oscar worthy, and it didn't really make me feel much, but maybe I need to watch it again.
>>70893846
No way man, this is a great movie.
>>70893980
Interstellar for sure. I think he's pretty solid, but panders to the general audience too much to ever be great.
>>70894516
I liked it, have to watch it again though. 2001 is better.
>>70896523
Nah, this one's good.
>>70897522
Fantastic film, fuck you.
>>70897611
Like it.
The only films I know that I'd use that word for would be Tree of Life and Enter the Void, and maybe Her. But only because they're both so incessant with religion. ToL seems to be saying "submit to god to find salvation" which just doesn't go far enough to really give you an idea of what he's saying god even is. I really do need to watch it again, but the whispering to god was just overplayed. And EtV is just a straight up masturbatory visual indulgence with an absolutely terrible interpretation of reincarnation, only for the sake of shock value. Her was just a bit too sentimental too much of the time, and the third act really ruined the premise altogether imo.
>>70900054
>everything by Terrence Malick after his hiatus
fixed
>>70894104
Malick's voiceovers are easily the worst part of his movies
>>70899101
Wrong
>>70899565
>>70899593
Right
>>70900080
You didn't understand ToL, but agree with EtV
>>70900125
Wrong
this bullshit
>>70900125
>He is ignorant of the light.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcL4J0pzlAg
I pray for you tonight anon.
>>70900176
They personally don't bug me, but I see the gripe with them. Luckily Malick's films have so much both visually and with the base story, that ignoring the philosophical voice overs really doesn't detract that much from the film
>>70900125
That's fair
Everything from Days of Heaven onwards has been getting steadily more pretentious
>>70900125
New Malick>Old Malick imho
>>70900225
Gorgeous song, Tavener is one of my favs
>>70900284
Do you honestly think that? >>70894029 put it well, those who write Malick off as pretentious is retarded
![Knight.of.Cups.2015.1080p.BluRay.REMUX.AVC.DTS-HD.MA.5.1-RARBG.mkv_snapshot_01.27.37_[2016.06.16_22.51.57].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rKmVU7P.jpg "Knight.of.Cups.2015.1080p.BluRay.REMUX.AVC.DTS-HD.MA.5.1-RARBG.mkv_snapshot_01.27.37_[2016.06.16_22.51.57].jpg")
>>70900176
They're absolutely fine when you take into account it's a stream of consciouss/what memory feels like to him (and for me, it is exactly the same)
>>70900310
I prefer Tree of Life-TTW-KoC Malick over the 'old Malick' or 'transitional Malick (TTRL, TNW).
And yeah, it's beautiful music and Malick's new films are beautiful too.
>>70900284
More like extremely sincere, there's absolutely nothing he is trying to obfuscate or 'make you solve the film' like its a puzzle.
Give into the light anon, I pray for your soul.
>>70900310
>New Malick>Old Malick imho
Visually, sure, but the writing quality went down over time
How can we decide unanimously which films are objectively pretentious?
>>70900310
nu-Malick
Malick fans are fucking unbearable.
![To the Wonder).mkv_snapshot_01.43.02_[2016.06.16_22.57.08].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JUsvERO.jpg "To the Wonder).mkv_snapshot_01.43.02_[2016.06.16_22.57.08].jpg")
>>70900388
Tree of Life has that silly, and terrible moment in the creation sequence with Christian Dinosaur or something, and the classical blasting during creation is maybe bit too much, and Sean Penn's part is absolutely shit.
Tree of Life was bit of a fumble in that sense, but what is actually good in Tree of Life, ie. not shit, is actually really breath taking and beautiful.
To the Wonder had bit of a hick up with pacing/writing with the Priest but that's it, that's it mane.
Knight of Cups is w/o such flaws and Malick switched gears and experimented even more with his camera, it's just something else man. I can't put into words, I fucking cried during TTW and KoC desu.
And his writing and his directing goes hand in hand, they're woven together
It's visualized emotions for me. Breathtaking and beautiful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1D2_bovy20
coppola said it best
>>70900356
Nah
Only Tree of Life seemed too pretentious to me
Days of Heaven, New World Extended and Thin Red Line were all fine, except the voiceovers bugged me sometimes
>>70900387
He's not being unnecessarily dense, there's just far less weight to the story than people give it credit. Days of Heaven and Badlands were by far his best movies because the writing was great, and they didn't just rely on spectacle to get a reaction
>>70900543
There's plenty enough weight for me, all created by the actors and Malick/Chivo.
>>70900400
>unanimous opinion
>4chan
Glhf
>>70900523
Malick haters are worse
>>70900537
Knight of Cups is wonderful (but ToL made me cry, not TTW
>>70900204
>You didn't understand ToL, but agree with EtV
I'll admit I need to watch it again, I'm just not really looking forward to it. I loved the part in the middle with the dad and his son, and even the abstract cosmic imagery was decent. Just the praying, and how rushed I felt the ending was etc. What would you say about it to convince somebody that it's great?
>>70893692
>>70894332
unironically the most pretentious posts I've ever encountered here. consider suicide
This.
>>70900537
Eh, the only way Tree of Life was salvageable for me was when I watched it on acid. Accentuated the best parts of the film and made me too dumb to ignore the bad
>>70900654
What else would you expect from a malick dickrider?
Everything by Truffaut, Godard, Renoir
>>70900607
He tossed all the psychological naturalism and personality of his characters out the window after Days of Heaven though
They're fun as fuck to look at but he'll never have as perfect an ending as he did for Badlands ever again
>>70900624
I loved the family parts as well, and that really did take up 3/4 of the movie. The ending caught me off guard the first time, but in time, it's grown on me. It flies by, and hopefully will seem to flow better on a rewatch. Cheers man, maybe it's because I too had a similar childhood in Texas, but that movie really struck some emotional chords with me
>>70890397
>Tree of Life or the Fountain
this
Tree of Life is shit, too long and more than not making any sense, is just accentuating all the way long to the viewers the fact that it is supposed to be meta as fuck (whereas it isn't).
Same goes for The Fountain. Pretentious and ridiculous. Didn't age well.
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>>70900755
They're not novel-like-characters, sure I agree with that. Doesn't mean they're of bad quality or done in a wrong manner, just different.
>Psychological naturalism.
You dare say for example To the Wonder wasn't psychological? Marina's depression and Neil's struggle between two women was definitely psychological.
>>70900616
I guess I sort of could liken myself to Marina and that opened the flood gates.
>>70900863
>making any sense
What? He nearly spoonfeeds you everything, in Tree of Life even more than in TTW or Knight of Cups.
>>70894283
How the fuck did you find sincerity in that piece of shit? I agree with >>70893825
It's so shit I'm convinced it's trolling that people like it, but then people have shit taste I guess
>>70900624
Also with the "you didn't understand", I didn't mean that in a 2deep4u sense, I'm sure you grasped the ideas, but it certainly wasn't a "submit your will to god" message. It was mirroring the book of Job, and was more about people questioning there submission to god, as things were not working out for them. And while Sean Penn was happy in the end I don't feel it gave a definite position on the grace of God
>>70896687
>Wow, no one has posted 2001: A Space Odyssey yet?
obviously the winner
only natural a thread on pretentious films turned into a malick thread.
>>70900950
I'm not even religious and Malick's three latest films are easily few of my favorites.
I'd say generally popular movies you can watch with your friends and then everyone agrees were good are not pretentious
>>70900980
Well, for those who actually read the thread, it seems that those who can actually articulate themselves, regardless of whether they like his films or not, agree he's not pretentious. It takes some closed- mindedness to miss his sincerity and hate someone so violently
>>70901014
Pretty much this.
>>70900980
:^)
>>70900917
Sure
They were characters with motivations
Like all characters
But they weren't naturalistic or believable
There's no character as well fleshed-out as Kit from Badlands in any of his other movies. All the characters in TTW were pretty one-dimensional
>>70896967
yes
>>70901060
If you read the thread instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and acting like you're the arbiter of what is pretentious you would see most people disagree with you.
>>70900537
>>70900523
Like poetry
>>70901014
What? No. That's equating accessiblity with a lack of pretension. Tons of people liked Prisoners, but it fits the ACTUAL definition of pretentious. Meanwhile, films ranging from 2001 to Knight of Cups are more polarizing and harder to appreciate, but certainly with less pretension
Xavier Dolan's movies aren't pretentious, but he def. is
>>70893846
this would be my first choice
i think it's the only movie i truly consider pretebntuous in its making U(not in its reception)
>>70901158
And they're wrong. Pretentious is something that attempts to appear more complex than it is. I'm not even arguing Malick is good (which I do believe), but I can't fathom those that write such a personal and sincere director off as pretentious
>>70901213
Sometimes Jarmusch can get his head up his ass too
>>70901158
But "pretentious" has a literal definition. It's very easy to argue something as "objectively pretentious"
>>70901116
>There's no character as well fleshed-out as Kit from Badlands
Neil, Rick and Marina are all fleshed out enough, then again, the focus isn't going on to the extreme length to 'flesh out' character to the fullest. For the purpose of say, To the Wonder, both Neil and Marina are enough of a characters to make me believe their struggle in love and depression.
He isn't trying to be Dostoyevsky, that'd be too literal.
>*woman spins around and points at the sky*
>"That's where God lives"
>CGI dinosaurs
Malick's work borders on self-parody.
>b-but it's good because he then shows a 20 minute montage of pretty pictures
Lubezki carries him. If it wasn't for him his recent films wouldn't even be mentioned on this board. Malick's films would be nothing. There's no substance behind the visuals at all.
>>70901162
kek
>>70901363
Please be bait. Surely no one can be so ignorant.
The dinosaur was a misstep, I'll concede. But the that's where God lives scene had zero emphasis. It was scene in a flurry, and it's not rediculous to think that a religious family would say that to their child.
And yes, his films are gorgeous, but beyond the cinematography, there's a flow drum cut to cut, and a knack for visual storytelling, and that's all Malick.
And do you honestly see no substance in his last three films? How sad it must be to miss that
>>70901262
Eh, they weren't for me. Felt pretty generic, didn't have any character outside of what the plot demanded of them. Not complicated one bit
And I don't expect Malick to be the next Nabokov, I want competently sketched-out personalities
>>70901262
>He isn't trying to be Dostoyevsky, that'd be too literal.
What did he mean by this?
>>70901601
He's a fine director but he can't write for shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw08GQw0hBI#t=25s
>He needs a writer desperately
>overwriting until it sounds terribly pretentious
>>70901732
By writing, do you mean dialogue, or writing out a story in general
>>70901732
also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw08GQw0hBI#t=1m23s
>>70901732
That was pretty spot on
Hopefully he does get a writer at some point, he's such a good director that it seems like a waste
>>70890433
Tree of Life, yes. The Fountain was fantastic.
>>70894516
>>70892913
>>70896743
second'd
>>70901260
a film can be "objectively pretentious" as much as it can be objectively boring.
>>70890455
Heh
>>70902037
But boring is a more "per person" thing. A film can have objectively bad pacing, but as far as "boring" goes, it's far more subjective. It has a definition, but means different things to different people, while pretentious is all about the maker's intent, something more objective than the viewer's interpretation
>>70890617
This 100%
>>70892748
What a terrible opinion
>>70902119
there's no way to know the directors true intent, that's down to your interpretation of the film as to whether you think they're being sincere or not. what if you completely misunderstand the point the directors trying to make?
>>70895641
>>70896509
I don't think Deadpool's pretentious for being so proud of itself, it did have a pretty shitty but ultimately happy path to release. I think it also wanted to share that with the audience a bit, knowing Deadpool has a large fanbase of internet nerds that know the story of it being made and it wants to say "we finally did it."
Ultimately it wasn't a great movie, but I know everyone involved has wanted to see it done just as long as I have, even as I've grown to hate capeshit. If the story of the movie was any less rocky it might be pretentious.
>>70901732
>>70901806
All I hear is a bunch of actors fellating each other and telling each other how terrible it is that Terry doesn't tell them how great they are and basically treats them like any other crew member. It's so terrible how he doesn't validate their work by making sure they're front and center of every shot. Fuck actors
>>70903179
>All I hear is what I want to hear
>>70903179
>begins with how Terry has to be involved with every aspect of the movie to its detriment
fair enough
>completely jumps off that argument to talk about fucking ospreys and muh beautiful speech
bitching because they want the movie to be about them
>George Clooney says he's glad he was cut out of The Thin Red Line
bitchy bitch move
>>70903179
>Terry
>>70890397
This fucking movie
>>70903179
this.
>>70890948
even though you sound like a fedora master, I agree. Pretense isn't real unless you're dealing with like Neil Breen's movies.
Warhol's Empire
>>70903548
oddly enough, that belongs in the category of SNL skit massively overextended to make a movie. if the movie wasn't played straight it would be totally obvious.
>>70890397
I don't get why plebs think malick is pretentious, his films are anything but pretentious. I believe this comes from not understanding the intricate philosophical themes embedded in his work, reading some Heidegger would help, and even if you refuse to do it, his films are beautifully shot.
Terrence Malick is definitely more than a film director, he's always experimenting, and I cannot wait to see what he's capable of doing.
Pretentious would be something like Birdman or The revenant.
>>70897853
That's basically my point. How does that argue against what I said. Pretentiousness isn't quantifiable by anyone in anyway what so ever. So people take meaning from things that other people don't
>>70904067
>Pretentious would be something like Birdman or The revenant.
this, also american hustle.
>>70896313
>>70904067
Give it a rest m8
>>70904218
>only one person likes malick.
>>70904067
You don't need Heidegger, simply knowing the basics of Bible is enough.
And that's part of basic education at least in my country
>>70898110
It was mostly disgusting, but I burst out laughing a few times. Especially when that guy just started violently making out with everyone in the room.
>>70904341
>And that's part of basic education at least in my country
...
>>70890905
>Writiing in an eloquent manner means you're pretentious
I'm sure you think video games are a higher art form than literature too you poshlost fuck
>>70904369
what? Learned 12 years of Bible in basic education in Scandinavia.
>>70890488
you wont understand the fountain until you have loved and lost.
nothing pretentious in that film. it would be seen as a masterpiece if our race was not mostly emotionally retarded.
