Warcraft BTFO. The world in Warcraft is revealed to be just a Lord of the Rings ripoff! What does /tv/ think about this?
What? no way. That's impossible.
>>70734156
>wants to be like LoTR
>in stead of making something rife with emotion and symbolism, the edgelords over at Blizzard make the same shit as their crappy vidya CGs, only longer
As a member of /tv/'s anonimoose I can tell you I am in no way surprised, nor do I really give a shit.
No. Both lord of the rings and the WoW settings are traditional fantasy settings. They just use the word "rival" in a financial sense and they want Warcraft to be as talked about as LotR
>>70734751
how can lotr be a traditional fantasy setting when it invented traditional fantasy?
>>70734156
Not very good at comprehension, bruv.
>>70734810
Even with it inventing the traditional fantasy setting, it nevertheless still IS a traditional fantasy setting
>>70735311
That's kinda like saying a set of all sets contains itself.
>>70735420
No, I feel like it's more like a set of all sets contains all sets. Some of these sets can be used by other sets as the first set sets the precedent for other sets
>>70734156
are orc used as a metaphor for black people?
>>70734156
lol.... if warcraft was TRYING to be lord of the rings, they probably would've been way more successful. That movie is baaaaad m8. It needed way more than 2 hours to tell that story.
>>70735755
but does it contain itself? the progenitor of a genre is only a member of said genre for classification's sake. Considering tolkien invented every trope on display in warcraft, its wrong to put them on equal footing.
>>70734156
The Hobbit is better than Warcraft.
Warcraft is just another video game B movie with a bigger budget.
uhm
lord of the rings: 2001
warcraft (first game, not WoW): 1994
who stole from who now again?
>>70735998
You, of course, realize being retarded and pretending to be retarded are functionally identical?
>>70736059
what if I pretend I'm a genious?
>>70735866
See, weren't all of the tropes there before Tolkien though? I feel like he just put all of the fantastical tropes into a big setting and just said "THIS is fantasy now" the tropes were there first, he just decided to put them together. It's like he put together a huge puzzle with pieces that were already there. But this is the only puzzle set in existence, so you can't put together a different puzzle. But, you can make a smaller puzzle with the same pieces that Tolkien put together (which already existed).
>>70736195
They weren't tropes as much as they were folklore.
>>70736195
the issue is mostly how every "high fantasy" since takes pages or the entire book from tolkien, mixes it up slightly, then tries to pass it as a totally original work do not steal.
Which warcraft does all over itself.
>>70734156
LotR or the Hobbit movies?
>>70736364
Well with the tropes being already established, can Warcraft not step on toes? Keep in mind I am not a fan of WoW (I appreciate Tolkien's work more than I actually like it for that matter)
>>70736864
all of its attempts to get away from the tolkien have been utterly embarrassing, so no, not really.
>>70737443
How has it tried to step away from Tolkien. I haven't seen the film or played the games, so I have no knowledge of this
>>70737836
Well, its main distinction from tolkien was originally the inter-dimensional aspect. That got retconned into interplanetary. So occasionally it shits all over itself by introducing other alien races. Which of course look exactly like stock demons and fantasy creatures. There's also a race of giant kanji characters. Then they try to have "magic" technology. None of which is very well articulated and just reeks of "hey I read this in that and it was cool lets use that."
>>70738603
Interesting. So the Warcraft franchise wallows in LotR's shit, huh?
>>70738645
It also wallows in Games Workshops shit as well
>>70738645
it wallows in all the shit it can.
First war/game was solid tolkien
>>70734156
What are you retarded? Other than sharing the same names for some of its races its completely different.
Tolkien very is black and white good and evil.
Warcraft is mostly gray very few characters are pure good or evil.
Magic in Warcraft is everywhere and comes in many different forms from many different sources.
Magic in LotR is rare and very bland in comparison.
The cultures of the races are incredibly diverse in the Warcraft Universe borrowing from cultures and religions from all over the world.
LotR is very Christian and European and does not deviate from that model.
>>70738997
so its silmarillion tolkien instead of lotr tolkien.
Also all the "grays" are retcons. It was originally straight black and white. Furthermore the entire franchise is built around a massive conflict between universe sized pure evils and pure goods.
>>70738997
>Warcraft is mostly gray very few characters are pure good or evil.
This wasn't the case in the original games, it was only retconned later for WoW, to facilitate two playable factions.
I've honestly been surprised over the past couple of weeks how delusional some Blizzdrones are, and how they've genuinely been hypnotized into believing that Warcraft is some deep and groundbreaking universe.
>>70739140
First of all it was retconned for Warcraft 3 not WoW.
You must be autistic to think something that was retconned over a decade ago has anything to do with the Warcraft universe now or the movies that CLEARLY are following closer to the current canon.
Name one fantasy universe where Orcs are not 100% evil.
Warcraft was the first to portray Orcs Trolls Undead Goblins and even Minotaur as good. It is unique among fantasy universes in that regard.
>>70740118
>Name one fantasy universe where Orcs are not 100% evil.
Warhammer, incidentally where Blizzard lifted the Orcs being green from
>>70740189
green is standard villain color
>>70740347
GW were the first to make Orcs green, before that they were usually black
>>70740189
>Warhammer Orcs
>Not Evil
Pick one
>>70740466
Fantasy they aren't, they were on the good side in End Times, fuck Age Of Sigmar
>>70740512
>implying the end times are any better than the garbage that is AoS
fuck off
>>70740930
Anything is better than Warhammer 1K
>>70740984
warcraft literally is warhammer 1k though
>>70735792
Yes, because the minority of orcs wanted to actually see their ilk succeed while one screeched at them about what they deserved at any cost, even their values, and the rest were too afraid to do anything about it.
>>70740189
Wait, what?
How could they be good? I thought they are only about killing, raping and waaagh....
>>70735873
>The Hobbit is better than Warcraft.
no it's not. The Hobbit """trilogy""" (why the fuck and fuck them for making a trilogy) was a huge disappointment. the WoW movie has 0 expectations from me and it'll be fun to go get high and see in fancy 3d fag shit. Having read the hobbit several times when I was younger the movies let me down so hard. WoW and blizzard really can't let me down anymore because I haven't played wow in years and I already know blizzard is shit
Warcraft is literally Warhammer lame rip-off. P
>>70741402
meh, I'm a huge warhammer fan and I just don't see it
the settings just aren't similar, I know warcraft was originaly just going to be a warhammer videogame but it's changed a lot since then
warhammer is the best setting there is
>>70741613
and warhammer added some vestigial shit to differentiate it from warcraft.
>>70741689
Similarities between WHfB and WC:
>there are humans
>there are orcs
>sometimes they fight
>oh and the orcs are green
wow
>>70735840
It would've been fine if they stuck to the story. As in Durotan doesn't go around being a racetraitor, Orgrimm is the leader of the Orcs and slays Blackhand for being weak, Gul'dan works from the shadows, Garona is Gul'dan's spy, Medivh is possesed by Sargeras and NOBODY SAYS THE WORD FEL.
>>70741789
pretending to be dumb isn't going to suddenly make warcraft not a warhammer ripoff.
>>70742081
why don't you go ahead and mention some more then?
>>70741852
>As in Durotan doesn't go around being a racetraitor
They need "good" Orcs to set up the Noble Savage characterization they set them up as in WC3. At least the movie had the decency to keep a decent level of savage in the Orcs rather than make them into a buncha good boys who dindu nuffin.
Though the movie doesn't cover the fac that the Draenei Gul'dan kills at the beginning to open the dark portal are the last of their race on the entire planet.
>Orgrimm is the leader of the Orcs and slays Blackhand for being weak
After the events of the First War. Which, the Orcs canonically win. The Alliance was first formed after Stormwind is sacked and Lothar leads the refugees of the Kingdom of Azeroth(since that was what Azeroth was back then) north to Lodaeron for the start of Warcraft 2.
>Gul'dan works from the shadows, Garona is Gul'dan's spy
Yep. It also left out that Garona's mother was a Draenei, raped to oblivion by Orc dick until, in combination with Gul'dan's magic, she got pregnant and squirted out a half-breed that was intentionally made to look more human with Medivh's help so she could infiltrate better.
She killed King Llane under Gul'dan's mind control.
Making her choose her path at least gives her some agency in the story rather than just being Gul'dan's little green fuck puppet.
>Medivh is possesed by Sargeras
This was in the movie, though they didn't really make it clear that it was possession. Just made it look like he was transforming due to corruption.
At least the fight with him had phases like a boss fight and the Warrior taunted and the Mage kited a minion to a certain location for his teleport.
>NOBODY SAYS THE WORD FEL.
Yes, the original Orcs were from Hell, which is why Daemons were in their midst.
But they've gone from being demons to being possessed by demons.
"Fel" in modern Warcraft lore encompasses an entire school of magic. It's part of the new lore that at least keeps things simple for simple audiences.
>>70741150
It doesn't have Sigmar Marines at least
>>70741361
Because the evil rape and kill faction in fantasy is Beastmen, Orcs just like fightin' an' winnin'. Hell you used to be able to take Orcs as any faction by saying they were mercenaries
