Whether you liked or hated it, I think we can all agree it took more risks than anything in the MCU.
Even if the results weren't always on point, are we really living in an era of entertainment where we punish projects that take the biggest risks?
Am I seriously the only one who has a problem with this?
HOW MANY FUCKING THREADS ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE, THERE'S LIKE FOUR BVS THREADS UP RIGHT NOW YOU FUCKING CUNT
The entire MCU wasn't a big risk?
>>70713676
>implying taking risks absolves you of responsibility if those risks make a shit final product.
So you're saying we should treat projects that take any degree of risk more favourably by default. Where's the risk then?
>>70713676
Yes, when you shit on source material.
>>70713711
iron man 1 was a risk. once it made enough, no movie after that was a real risk due to people craving for more
BvS was a risk because man of steel wasn't even popular among critics but they made another one
>>70713746
>when you shit on source material.
do explain how they shat on the source material
I really want to see whether you are stupid enough to go the retarded-ass "batman kills" and "luthor is young" way
>>70713775
>BvS was a risk
a real risk would have been Man of Steel 2, OH SUPERMAN CAN'T CARRY A MOVIE?! WELL BETTER SHOEHORN BATMAN IN THERE, EVERYBODY FUCKING LOVES BATMAN, TOSS IN WONDER WOMAN WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, HEY THESE ARE SOME NICE SCENES OF CLARK KENT BUT NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THAT, PUT MORE BATMAN STUFF IN THERE
>>70713676
>they friends at the end
>Superman already show to be alive at the end
what risks?
>>70713809
Doomsday being Zod was retarded
>>70713848
this
>>70713676
>take risks
>fail
>lol you shouldn't punish people for taking risks
You stupid fucking ingrate, shit tier masterb8ting ruseman. Nobody is punishing anyone for taking risks. People didn't enjoy BvS because it was a flop. Nobody left the movie saying to themselves: "what a risky product, I hate it because it was risky". People left the theater saying "that movie sucked. They took risks, and it didn't pay off at all"
If you want to make a risky movie, fine. Accept that if you fail, you fail big. That's the fucking RISK. That's what RISKY means in this context. You accept that by taking RISKS in the first place, you fucking double thinking marketing shill of a half man half lizard jew with aids.
>>70713809
not that anon but I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say that we are tired as fuck of pointing everything wrong with this garbage movie and you will just justify the complete rape of the characters by saying that it was against expectations and a bold move
go fuck yourself
there's nothing respectable about taking risks and fucking up.
>>70713676
Marvel made a movie about Guardians of the Galaxy, a bunch of Z-listers that not even comic book fags ever cared about.
DC is never going to move on from their mains, and the only risk they took was thinking
>HEY, PEOPLE LIKED NOLAN'S SERIOUS MOVIES, LET'S MAKE THEM EVEN DARKER
Hell, after MoS, they had to shoehorn Batman in the second movie of the franchise without even having a solo one.
>>70713676
I've not seen it but I can't understand why they jumped straight into 'Batman vs Superman' without an establishing Batman film and a second Man of Steel to introduce Lex. They've thrown Wonder Woman in there as well and I've heard a load of other 'cameos'.
Seems like they had no faith in anything other than Batman and just wanted to throw him in there as quickly as possible, so from a brand perspective they've taken the safest route possible by attaching Batman to it. Can't speak of artistically, which is your primary concern though.
>>70713676
BvS is a triumph. Most genuine complaints come from issues related with executives butchering it because they don't trust audiences.
>>70713676
>go to the zoo
>put your hand in the mouth of a crocodile
>get bitten
>''WOW WHERE'S MY MEDAL''
>>70713848
>a real risk would have been Man of Steel 2
why the hell would they do another man of steel movie when they need to introduce more characters?
WB's safest bet was to get AT LEAST batman in there in order to see whether audiences are on board with the new batman. that part went pretty well. now if the movie hadn't gotten such abysmal reviews, the stage would have been set but now, justice league is their last hope
WB needs a Avengers 1 type of movie in order to get as many viewers as possible. that way, they can safeguard a benchmark in viewers and expand on their cinematic universe
>>70713912
well, I'm sure the comicbook origin would've been really great, jesus
the way they did it was perfectly fine. the only complaint I see is that there was literally no proper explanation (that I can remember at least) as to why lex came up with that idea in the first place and why he thought it would have been smart to do it
>>70714007
>I've not seen it
Lucky you.
BvS is true kino
>>70714063
Thing is, BvS was supposed to be their Avengers 1.
Let's not pretend the audiences care about Aquaman or Cyborg, and Flash is only taken slightly seriously because some people might have watched the TV show.
They'll be lucky if Justice League makes as much as BvS.
>>70713942
>People didn't enjoy BvS because it was a flop
do you even know what the fuck the word flop means you idiot?
people didn't like it because they didn't get it DUE to the terrible pacing. also, scenes being left out meant even worse experiences for viewers
people didn't "enjoy" BvS because WB's executives wouldn't let snyder put his complete product into the theaters. thank god further movies are being made but fuck those suits for interferring. those apes know nothing about movie making, yet still they try to act like they do
>>70713957
>we are tired as fuck of pointing everything wrong with this garbage movie
why the fuck are you even participating at discussions on this board then you stupid faggot?
>>70714063
>why the hell would they do another man of steel movie when they need to introduce more characters?
Give them their own fucking movie then!
>>70714238
>Didn't get it
Fuck you and fuck this BvS is smart Meme.
There was shit all to get, it was obvious and stupid as any Marvel flick just a fuckton Moore pretentious.
>>70713676
>I think we can all agree it took more risks than anything in the MCU.
Yeah, risking casting a skeleton for a fucking badass, hotass, strongass woman.I really wanted to like it, but it's fucked because of this IMO... I tried to ignore her, but I just couldn't.Afleck was actually pretty good.
>>70714013>because they don't trust audiences to see a beautiful, strong non-jew wonder woman
>>70714113
>BvS was supposed to be their Avengers 1.
no it wasn't. Justice League is supposed to be Avengers 1. the team wasn't even complete so there you go
>Let's not pretend the audiences care about Aquaman or Cyborg
people said the same shit about thor and especially captain america. let's not even begin to talk about the guardians of the galaxy.
if you put properly designed characters to the big screen and market them well, audiences will definitely care
I think the studio and DC already have a fair advantage when it comes to characters due to Superman, Batman and Flash being household names by now. they only need a safe story and marketing for the next few movies.
Marvel is only successful because they make their movies generic, which is smart as fuck from a business perspective. it's not about being faithful to the characters, it's about making as much money as possible while shitting out okay-tier movies and Marvel does that in a perfect manner
>>70714417
>people said the same shit about thor and especially captain america
The difference is that DC has no idea of how to market these superheroes.
We are talking about the company that has made a Batman vs Superman (and Wonder Woman) movie be less succesful than a solo Batman movie coming from a sequel that only made 300 million.
>>70713676
Just saw Warcraft yesterday... say what you want about the movie, but the woman playing Garona was way more suited for it than Gadot was for Wonder Woman.
Holy fuck, what a hungry skeleton. Give me the most anorexic bitch and I'll give you a badass, fit-as-fuck bitch in mere months with the kind of training she had access to.
I really don't get it.... how is society not fucked if this can happen? How much did they even pay her to not train at all and stand in front of a camera while they played guitar riffs?
>>70714312
>Fuck you and fuck this BvS is smart Meme.
do you even know how to read? I said the plot was incoherent due to the bad pacing. that in no way implies the movie was "smart" but what do I expect from you retards? you couldn't understand a text if it sucked you off
>stupid as any Marvel flick
Marvel flicks are stupid while Snyder actually tried to make his movie artistic. since when is artistic value just brushed off as "stupid" just because people don't like it? you crybabies are pathetic
>>70714417
Marvel is succesful because their superheroes are likeable and they make people just want to see them do shit.
>>70714417
Justice League won't be Avengers. It will be Avengers, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and Captain America. Its not just introducing the team, its introducing the characters.
If anyone thinks JL isn't going to be another bloated mess they are fucking deluded.
>>70714417
>it's not about being faithful to the characters
And yet when people point out how not faithful DC's movies are to the characters you cunts reply "NOT MUH COMICS" and "SNYDER'S VISION"
Eat shit, you hypocrite.
>>70713676
Why don't we discuss Civil War to this extent?
>>70714488
>Artistic Value
You're memeing hard.
>>70714514
Because that was just some action movie.
>>70714514
Because no one needs to invent excuses for a financial and critical success
Whether it was a risk is irrelevant, the result is what matters
>>70714312
The extent of the metaphor is "Superman is jesus lol"
We got that snyder. No need to make it too obvious what with direct comparisons, and 20 nonsense speeches from luthor about it.
>>70714514
You clearly weren't around for the TeamCap/TeamTony political shitfests.
>>70714488
>tried to make his movie artistic
I think we all had in our class, when we were kids, a guy that standed out because he was just a loud, stupid dudebro.
Everyone thought he was stupid, he WAS stupid, but he thought he was smart.
And i'm sure everyone has had to write a poem in class.
That's what Snyder and his DCEU movies are
The stupid loud dudebro of the class trying to write a poem.
>>70714449
>The difference is that DC has no idea of how to market these superheroes.
that's what I'm saying the whole time. on the one hand, they want to copy marvel but on the other one, they have no chance to do so because they would have to make their movies family friendly and generic first. there's no way that movies full of symbolism and gritty stuff all over the place can achieve the same amount of money like the other end of the spectrum
>movie be less succesful than a solo Batman movie coming from a sequel that only made 300 million
I don't know what you are referring to exactly but the nolan movies had goat-tier marketing and great word-of-mouth
BvS would've made over a billion easily if it wasn't for the poor viral marketing that went on after the first two weeks
>risk
>capeshit
>starring Batman
>>70714417
>Marvel is only successful because they make their movies generic, which is smart as fuck from a business perspective. it's not about being faithful to the characters
I totally remember Superman and Batman killing on a whim in the comics.
>after how fucking shit the JEEZUS symbolism was in Man of Steel, they FUCKING DID IT AGAIN
I refuse to forgive anything in this shit movie.
>>70714514
Because marvel fans are satisfied with their movie, and DCucks are not.
>>70714514
Because that was already done, and since Civil War was a success there's no need to do constant damage control threads.
It came and it did it's job.
While BvS tried it and it had a massive faceplant, so now we have people laughing at it, and people trying to defend it saying that he faceplanted in purpose.
>>70713676
>I think we can all agree it took more risks
Someone please explain to me what "risks" BvS made.
>>70714617
so Marvel making generic and stupid garbage is anything different in your eyes?
>>70714653
You can't even articulate why religious symbolism is bad. It's bad because you say so and you're only saying so because you read some guy say it here.
>>70714678
It's always a risk with Snyder
>>70714680
No.
Marvel doesn't try to be artistic because they understand that a superhero movie trying to be artistic is like eating a stake with ketchup.
No one asks for it, no one likes it, and whoever wants to do that is absolutely retarded.
>>70713676
>takes big risks
Yeah it was an awfully big risk of putting 2 of the most popular characters in fiction into the same movie. Bravo Snyder! Bravo WB! Bravo DC!
>>70714646
well, apparently you don't because you never read comics you retard. didn't batman even kill in burton's movies? you should know at least that
>>70714680
Yes, because it's the chad that's happy with his chadness.
Think about it this way: marvel is the normie jock. DCucks are the fedora tippers: not normies, but reviled by both sides.
>>70714678
A wonder woman suffering from anorexia for one.
>>70714678
They hired Zack Snyder to direct it.
>>70714727
>Marvel doesn't try to be artistic because they understand that a superhero movie trying to be artistic is like eating a stake with ketchup.
I love how you say that even though the trailer and every single info on Doctor Strange imply exactly that. typical brainless Marveldrone
>>70713676
>DC is taking a risk by trying to make their own MCU
>>70714706
It's awful because it's fucking pounded into your face where there's a fucking cross in nearly every scene Superman is in.
if it were subtle or clever or made some sort of actual commentary about religion it would be different. Instead it's just HURR DON'T YOU GET IT HE IS JESUS GUISE made for fucking 5 year olds.
>>70714782
The only thing the Doctor Strange trailer implies is that it's going to be a trippy and cuhrazy movie, which is what a Doctor Strange movie should be.
What risks did it take? Men in tights beating up bad CGI monsters. Same as marvel. Jesus imagery is overrated as fuck
>>70713676
If you take the most risks, and you fail at all of them, then you fail
That's not a punishment, that's you failing, because you failed
>>70713676
No it didn't.
>pointless talking scenes that go nowhere
>scenes that could go somewhere cut off
>aftermath of scene we didn't see shown
>bad and absolutely terrible casting aside from the two leads and alfred
>story rushed and forced
>pointless end villain fodder
>short battle of the Batman v Superman
>bad CGI
>everywhere grey and black
>mopey Superman throughout
>physco bitch Batman and not in a good way
>blurry jumpcuts everywhere
the movie did nothing but bad things. I wish it was amazing, but it wasn't.
>>70713676
>it took more risks than anything in the MCU
Except the entire MCU being a risk to begin with.
>>70714763
Marvel could pull some pajeet director from bollywood for Iron Man 4, and it would probably be a better film than BvS, would that be risky?
>I'M DOING THIS FOR MAAAAARTHA
>martha... THAT'S MY MOTHER'S NAME!
>martha... that's MY mother's name!
>suddenly bffs
Fuck this movie.
>>70713676
Ok, she's put on weight since her pathetic fast and furious bullshit, but how... how do you manage to put on no muscle after two fucking movies, with all the trainers/nutritionists/medical staff behind you...
Just.... how the fuck, I don't even.
As a poor fuck with no support and barely any free time I managed to do probably 10x what she did in half the time she had.
>>70714734
Get Snyder's dick out of your mouth and quit talking in ebonics. Let me get this right, you are saying Batman and Superman regularly kill people in comics?
>>70714889
No.
Hiring Zack Snyder is a risk because everyone hates his movies except 300.
>>70713775
Marvel don't need to take risks because their roster is already different and unique for each movie (despite the similarities and cliche formula) they are still multiple time viewing flicks that are enjoyable.
I will never watch BvS again. I'll rewatch Man of Steel now and again though.
>>70714889
to be fair bollywood is amazing
all the movies are like 5 hours long and are like 18 genres. horror comedy scifi drama romance musicals.
also they're insanely entertaining when they have a budget, some of them have almost Platinum Games tier action scenes.
>>70714004
Gotg was never going to fail, all the publicity stated how much of a risk it was fo disney when it literally was just reverse psychology advertising.
>>70714801
First sentence repeated yourself. Second sentence makes no sense because that's what Snyder did.
Third just typing in caps and adding little Internet insult.
Try harder next time. Better yet, get the go you copied your opinions from to explain yourself. I'm sure he'd do it better.
>Hurr
Oh nevermind you're under the age of 25. Opinion discarded.
>>70714918
Because she doesn't have to.
It wasn't as if she worked hard to get the role. She was given it for some strange (jew) reason. Then she was handed a solo movie, and now she's filming Justice League.
She's a lazy bitch whose been handing this role on a plate with her leaves and water. It's disgusting desu.
>>70714889
They actually hired a pajeet director for Thor 3 and it's not looking bad at all.
Seems evident that Perlmutter is now gone considering they are just throwing money at the cast.
>>70714907
even the normiest of normies said this scene was gay as fuck.
that coming straight after a 5 second bland fight scene, man this movie fucking sucked.
>>70713676
>Whether you liked or hated it,
irrelevant
Everyone who saw this movie will remember it.
>2 months
>2 weeks
anons with divisive opinions still talking about it
>>70714983
How was Snyder's Jesus symbolism subtle or clever?
please explain how having a cross in every scene is in any way subtle or clever compared to the Donner films.
>>70713676
>let's make Man of Steel 2
>but add Batman and Wonder Woman
>and call it Batman vs Superman and add Dawn ''hehe guess which movie is coming next'' of Justice
>as we try to make our own version of the most succesful movie franchise in history
What was the risk, writing a boring plot full of drama, building up a conflict for 2 hours just to end it 5 minutes after it finally begins?
>>70714823
it's like you don't even think about what you're typing. so what did the interviews imply then according to you? it was outright stated but let's hear your take on it
also
>trailer implies is that it's going to be a trippy and cuhrazy movie
I don't even know whether you know what "artistic" means at this point
>>70714983
Woah, take a look at this... wait...
Kinôgraphé.
>>70715064
After you explain how it wasn't clever and a detriment to the film other than "you didn't like it".
>I-it was pretentious
How?
>I-it was hamfisted
How?
Support just ONE of your arguments, please. Try.
>>70714924
Sure, we can call that a risk, but keeping him around after man of steel was straight up retarded
>>70715083
What did they state?
It's going to be a masterpiece, an artistic movie?
Would be surprised if Michael Bay didn't say that about his Transformers movies.
>>70715064
There wasn't a cross in every scene
>>70714889
the funny part is that people on /tv/ and /co/ have literally no idea about how the MCU works
it really doesn't matter what the director is like. everything is on Marvel themselves, the success and the failures
>hire director
>let people write story that fits everything that you dictated
>let director direct exactly as you're telling him to
that's why they chose to get rid of wright. he didn't want to be a bitch that his masters' every bidding
>>70714996
I know that. I just want to scream it from the top of a mountain.
That woman is total scum. She was the ugliest woman in the Fast and the Furious bit she had, and now she's done fuck-all to look like a badass Amazonian princess, AND ON TOP OF THAT she likes to flaunt her "military service" which includes being a Jewish model, and... well, just being a Jewish model.
>>70715167
They got rid of Wright because after 10 years of ''work'' the only thing he had was a script.
>>70714920
>you are saying Batman and Superman regularly kill people in comics?
no I'm not because neither does superman kill "regularly" in the movies. he killed off zod and doomsday (does that even count as number 2?) and that's it. quit making it look like he kills literally everyone he sees
batman did more bad shit in the old comics though. also, it's confirmed that he only did so in BvS due to the Jason Todd incident but I guess that doesn't matter to you
>>70715116
>PPPPP PLEASE DEBATE ME
Kill yourself.
Write BvS was shit on your suicide note.
>>70714926
>they are still multiple time viewing flicks that are enjoyable.
they're enjoyable for mainstream audiences. people who know about movies don't even watch their new movies
phase 1 was the only decent thing to come out of the MCU
>>70715116
How was it not?
>>70715137
>an artistic movie?
that is exactly what they stated. check your facts before you start spouting mindless and uninformed opinions the next time. makes you look even more stupid
>>70714870
>pointless talking scenes that go nowhere
Like?
>scenes that could go somewhere cut off
>aftermath of scene we didn't see shown
these two are true, blame WB
>bad and absolutely terrible casting aside from the two leads and alfred
Bullshit,fuck off with your "Not muh" crap
>story rushed and forced
You dont even know what that means
>pointless end villain fodder
why was it pointless? it left impact and consequence.
>short battle of the Batman v Superman
ok.
>bad CGI
Ok so are you just trolling or actually an idiot.
>everywhere grey and black
Muted colours do not mean grey and black.
>mopey Superman throughout
>physco bitch Batman and not in a good way
what is character evolution.
>blurry jumpcuts everywhere
no there wernt.
Your a fucking idiot anon.
>>70715330
Exactly, everyone says their movies are artistic, but little have to show for it.
Not Marvel, not Snyder.
Marvel doesn't even try, and I really doubt those are anything more than empty words.
Problem is Snyder tries it and it completely backfires because he's just not smart enough to pull it off.
>>70714907
>>70715036
You have to be over 18 to post here
>>70714924
>projecting
>>70715332
>he thinks this is good CGI
The entire Doomsday fight looked like a goddamn videogame.
>>70713848
Just because there's a riskier option doesn't mean our wasn't risky anon
>>70715367
>Marvel doesn't even try
are you serious? that's exactly what the interviews state, jesus christ. I don't know whether you're trolling or flat out stupid
>and I really doubt those are anything more than empty words.
you're obviously shilling Marvel as much as you can but "empty words" doesn't mean jack fucking shit. they're on the same level as Snyder is according to your logic and you know it
>>70715242
Pretty sure many people died as a result of Superman fighting and Zod and his gang in Man of Steel. Hell they showed it in the first few minutes of BvS. Oh and before your dumbass goes "well that's unintentional" Supes didn't even attempt to take the fight out of the city at all meaning he can give a shit less about anyone else.
So Batman losing Jason Todd justifies him turning into mass murderer, got it.
>>70715257
>>70715302
No response. Of course. /tv/ never had a response.
Btfo
>>70715420
Do you even know what ''projecting'' means?
>>70715004
thor 3 looks terrible dipshit
>>70715454
Wow, filmmakers are sucking their own dick in interviews?
>they're on the same level as Snyder is according to your logic and you know it
Not really, I don't see any empty and pointless attempts are being ''deep'' in Marvel movies.
>>70714113
Don't be silly
>>70715474
>looks terrible
The only thing we know is the cast, and it's absolutely great.
>>70715332
> it left impact and consequence.
Superman "died" then heavily implied he was already alive five minutes later. Real impact there.
This movie makes /tv/ look and act juvenile.
>>70715460
/tv/ has been responding to this crap for months, I'm sorry that you're new here.
>>70715382
If that was the case DCucks then would never be able to post on this forum.
Ant-Man was the biggest risk in capeshit history
A movie about BATMAN and SUPERMAN isn't taking a risk. Having some half-hearted """"""themes"""""" baked in doesn't stop it from drawing in normies to go see a fucking movie about BATMAN FIGHTING SUPERMAN. It was a risk critically maybe, but commercially? El oh el
>>70715433
>using blurry webm's to try and proove himself
kys pleb
>>70715573
Yeah but you didn't just now did you, shit-for-brains?
>>70715433
The new Final Fantasy literally looks better than this
>>70715582
Don't worry, the moment the Bluray comes out we'll be able to see those Attack of the Clones-tier CG effects.
>>70715470
saying no one liked his other movies when watchmen and dawn are very popular even amongst normal people shows that yes you are projecting your biased opinion.
You're not the only one, but retards are always louder than people with common sense.
>>70715612
Try the archive you dumb cunt.
No, just Marvels risks (gotg, ant man, civil war) pay off.
>>70713709
the threads will never end. BvS is pure kino and should be discussed daily.
>>70715582
the whole fucking movie was blurry you stupid fuck kek
>>70715631
Is that video from Injustice 2?
>>70715460
The entire planet has been shitting on this flick for 3 months.
>>70715665
Still no response from you.
>>70715630
>Hold circle to win
Great stuff. Still more entertaining than BvS.
>>70715677
funny considering its discussed daily on how shit it was you insecure manlet
>>70715693
No just people under 25.
>>70715533
>making a norse goddess black
>Throwing in half of planet hulk
>likely going to have only to give the executioner 10 lines before being killed
>both jon faveru and Shane Black are good directors and look at their entry's.
>>70715735
Because no one over 25 who watched superhero flicks is mentally older than 25.
>>70715700
Here's my response.
Check the archives you dumb cunt.
And see here >>70715693
Maybe consider your choice in continued existence.
>>70715537
his "death" leads to the uniting of what will become the JLA, yeah lots of impact there.
retard.
>>70715785
no, the flashiesta coming back in time screaming "you have to find us" did that.
>Saying BvS is dumb makes me feel smart.
>>70715785
Why would any of them care?
They have no investment in his life or death.
>>70715739
>making a norse goddess black
So?
>Throwing in half of planet hulk
Apart from Hulk's involement literally nothing is known about the plot.
>>likely going to have only to give the executioner 10 lines before being killed
Probably because the big bads are going to be the Taskmaster and Hela.
>both jon faveru and Shane Black are good directors and look at their entry's.
Jon Favreau made Iron Man 1, and IM2 suffered because of the now disbanded Comittee that filled movies with executive meddling.
>>70715576
nice refute, your still a idiot.
>>70715578
>Ant-Man was the biggest risk in capeshit history
Why do people think this, its a diseny movie from one of their best franchises, its guaranteed to make money with the amount of advertisements and TVspots alone. Its not a risk when its diseny.
>>70715832
Funny because it's the vast majority the ones laughing at BvS.
Only a bunch of fedora tippers like this cheap joint.
This thread has literally no argument against this movie other than "I didn't like it"
>>70715785
Kinda like how both Superman and Batman moms names being Martha made them friends. Holy shit, you DCuck faggots are easy to please. Superfriend stories had more fucking depth.
>>70715631
>this is bad cgi
???
>>70715687
i think you need to get your eyes checked
>>70715877
Tomorrowland.
>>70715885
Why would anyone bother giving arguments against the movie?
DCfags have spent 3 years in denial over MoS trying to convince anyone that the movie isn't trash.
Everyone knows MoS and BvS are trash, why bother arguing over autists in denial when you can just laugh at them while they squirm and cry?
>>70715834
did you see the film?
>>70715902
Same to you, or are you just a retard?
>>70715815
Even you ffs, that not what he said
>>70715902
I don't know about Super friends, but I remember BTAS and JL/JLU having better plots.
>>70716009
Great argument, you convinced me, the DCEU is pure art, and kino in it's purest form.
All hail Snyder.
>>70713676
Great movie, one of the best of the decade.
It's pleb repellent, which makes it even better
>>70715986
Yeah, it was bilge. No league member but Bats and Wonderwhore have any connection to Supes.
And yes, El Flash said
BRUCE
FIND US
Are you retarded?
>>70716026
>has no argument
>HAW HAW GREAT ARGUMENT LOOSER
>>70715986
>are you just a retard?
Sorry I'm not a DCuck defending a shit movie on a forum.
>>70713676
It has Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. Also Lois and Lex. Where's the risk?
Iron Man? Thor? Those were risks. No normal people know who those c-list heroes from unknown comic were.
But yeah... It's all about Snyder and Batman rape in prison. Dark and meaningful stuff....................................
>>70715838
>So?
why would a norse goddes be black? Its a diversity push as retarded as black
>Apart from Hulk's involement literally nothing is known about the plot.
I suppose that true, but literally every source stated it is doing PH, that said internet sources tend to be wrong.
>Probably because the big bads are going to be the Taskmaster and Hela.
Then they'll have five lines between them and then be killed.
>Jon Favreau made Iron Man 1, and IM2 suffered because of the now disbanded Comittee that filled movies with executive meddling.
that was literally my point, no matter ho directs the outcome will always be a safe, appeal to the lowest common denominator action movie. Never trying to be anything more. Iron man I is good, mainly because hardly any studio involvement.
>>70716112
How are images of your family an argument?
>>70716112
Why would anyone give you any argument, so you could say
>NU-UH
The world spoke, and your movie is trash, go try to convince someone else.
>>70715919
how much advertiseing or hype did that get again? The only film in recent years which is an honest surprise is JOhn Carter.
>>70716136
>Still butthurt over Idris Elba
Thor was like fucking years ago spag.
>>70716155
Because you have no argument.
>>70716136
>that was literally my point, no matter ho directs the outcome will always be a safe, appeal to the lowest common denominator action movie. Never trying to be anything more. Iron man I is good, mainly because hardly any studio involvement.
Sounds like Snyder and WB...
>>70715460
Oh I wasn't the guy you were arguing with, I just noticed that you didn't offer a real response either.
>>70716175
Tron 2
>>70716136
>why would a norse goddes be black? Its a diversity push as retarded as black
For the same reason a mexican was the invisible woman in Fantastic 4, who cares.
>I suppose that true, but literally every source stated it is doing PH
You can't adapt Planet Hulk without going all out.
Don't know what elements of PH they could put into this.
>Then they'll have five lines between them and then be killed.
Why would they kill the Taskmaster before Infinity War?
>Never trying to be anything more
If you are trying to find ''art'' in blockbusters then you should do some research before you find yourself complaining about the lack of depth of Transformers movies.
>>70716198
Keep saying this till you believe it.
>>70716050
except batman spent the whlole time seeing him as a god-tier threat before seeing him as just another person, leaving him with guilt, the "Sacrifice" pushing him to try and redeem himself. Basic story telling here lad, sorry your a dummy.
Actually he said, "Bruce, Lois is the Key" "I'm to early"
>>70716131
if your gonna bother arguing at all, at least make what your saying be accurate your fucking cuck.
>>70716198
Why would I need it?
The entire planet is on my side.
You are just one of the few random internet users trying desperately to defend it for some reason.
>>70716198
And you do?
Try not to post meme images.
>>70715456
you do realise that killing someone is something entirely different than people dying while you are trying to fight off a team of people who is trying to destroy earth and all of its inhabitants, right?
>Supes didn't even attempt to take the fight out of the city
well apparently you are the dumbass because he literally takes the fight out into goddamn space
>>70716280
He said both you fucking moron.
>Bayts wuz connect to supes
And so was wonderwhore, but no other JL member. What was your point?
>>70716280
Making up things that didn't happen in the movie. Jesus you DCucks are pathetic.
>>70715508
>Not really, I don't see any empty and pointless attempts are being ''deep'' in Marvel movies.
of course you don't because they always fail at it. just watch incredible hulk, it's full of that shit (even though it's one of the more enjoyable MCU movies)
>>70716339
>Confusing the Zod fight in MoS for the Zod fight in BvS
Can't make this shit up...
THE MOVIE WAS COMPLETE SHIT. END OF.
THEY FAILED. MAYBE JUSTICE LEAGUE WILL BE BETTER. NOW FUCK OFF!
>>70716339
So its ok for Supes to let people die, collateral damage and shit their.
>That pathetic attempt in BvS by Snyder, seriously guys this area of the city is empty so we can blow up and destroy stuff here.
No wonder Snyder does what he does, you DCucks will lick any turd he produces and try to convince everyone else its chocolate you're eating.
>>70716395
At least Marvelfags have the decency of not pretending that trash is somehow deep and we don't have to put up with constant dumps of pics trying to explain why their blockbusters are deep or anything.
I've been thinking... what if Snyder somehow died? There is a lot of talent like George Miller and James Wan who could easily take the reigns and aren't complete mongoloids like Snyder.
DC will shit on Marvel again like they're supposed to and Snyder will reach martyrdom, everyone wins. Just need some marveldrone to off him.
>>70716424
>Zod fight in BvS
wha?
>>70716450
George Miller gave up on superhero movies.
He was going to direct Justice League, but it ended up in nothing.
>>70716450
It's more likely to be a DCuck who realises Snyders films are shit.
>>70716468
Cave Troll Zod.
>>70716179
forgot that, yeah that was retarded
>>70716251
>For the same reason a mexican was the invisible woman in Fantastic 4, who cares.
mexicans aint black.
>Don't know what elements of PH they could put into this.
You cant really past maybe fucking him off in a shuttle.
>Why would they kill the Taskmaster before Infinity War?
Why would they have tony stark make ultron instead of Pym.
>If you are trying to find ''art'' in blockbusters then you should do some research before you find yourself complaining about the lack of depth of Transformers movies.
you missed my point, i dislike the marvel films bar hulk and Iron Man I because they are all the same, stilted cinematography, dull fight scenes (Bar a few exceptions), no real threat ever hangs and they never try to go anywhere in film, they are the kinda shit Truffant would have hated if he were still alive to make another new wave.
Ive never seen a transformers film so i cant really say.
>>70713676
enough of these threads already, jesus fuck.
>>70716340
>no other JL member?
are you well?
Thats not even happend yet, past a few forced cameo's superman wouldn't even know about them. This was about batman and superman leading into the birth of the JL as the title suggested.
>>70716344
Like?
>>70713676
It wasn't punished for taking risks, it was criticized for being bad. Stop over thinking it. There's nothing wrong with taking risks, but that doesnt alleviate the expectation that it should still be good.
>>70716534
>mexicans aint black.
So it doesn't matter which race it is as long as it isn't black?
>Why would they have tony stark make ultron instead of Pym.
Because after 10 years Edgar Wright only had a script and it was too late to make Hank the creator of Ultron.
>you missed my point, i dislike the marvel films bar hulk and Iron Man I because they are all the same, stilted cinematography, dull fight scenes (Bar a few exceptions), no real threat ever hangs and they never try to go anywhere in film, they are the kinda shit Truffant would have hated if he were still alive to make another new wave.
There's never going to be a real threat in Superhero movies.
Good guys are always going to win, maybe one will die, but that's all.
And aside from TDK and Burton's Batman movies, I don't recall a single superhero movie with decent cinematography.
Still, Ragnarok looks much better than the previous two.
>>70716536
>2months
>2weeks
>still butthurt
>>70716592
>I can't follow the conversation.
Start here fuckmuppet. >>70715785
Then here >>70715834
Here >>70715986
Here >>70716050
Here >>70716280
Here >>70716340
And back to you >>70716592
If this isn't the conversation you were having, fuck off.
>>70716625
Norse gods wouldnt be black. Same way Egyptian or Simmalian gods wouldnt be white
>Because after 10 years Edgar Wright only had a script and it was too late to make Hank the creator of Ultron.
that doesnt really mean anything though, if they wanted to make pym the creator they would have and used ant man as the follow up, but they didnt.
>TDK and Burton's Batman movies, I don't recall a single superhero movie with decent cinematography.
Snyder's films tend to have verygood cinematography, his first two especially.
Other then that i highly recommend Dredd and the 87 Punisher Film.
>Still, Ragnarok looks much better than the previous two.
prehaps, even studio controlled the director is more talented then the previous one, i havent seen the first film however.
Being terrible is not a risk. Its an unavoidable side effect of zack snyder.
>>70716763
>Simmalian
Pardon?
>>70716751
?
you seem to be angry without having any argument anon. prehaps you should lie down.
>>70716424
>>70716424
talking about BvS so much, I just wrote BvS instead of MoS you morons
>>70716439
>So its ok for Supes to let people die
you "muh supes kills" faggots really need to stop. you cannot possibly think that trying to fight off people who want to destroy the world equals letting people die. he wasn't able to save anyone because zod would've succeeded in his plans if he had gone on with saving people
>That pathetic attempt in BvS by Snyder, seriously guys this area of the city is empty so we can blow up and destroy stuff here
yeah, only that Marvel did exactly the same thing in Age of Ultron and you Marveldrones ate that shit up like it was cake. get off your fucking high horse
>supes can't take the fight out of metropolis in MoS
>people whine and complain
>they take it to an uninhabited area in BvS
>people bitch and complain even more
you are truly disgusting beings
>>70716799
sorry anon im very tired
>somalian
>>70716815
You seem to have moved the goalposts or forgotten what was being discussed. Maybe you need a fucking lead enema?
>>70716724
>comes to another thread to continue the company wars
Don't you have anything better to do?
>>70716444
of course not. instead, they continue to dump pics of rottentomatoe scores and talking about how awesome winter soldier was (the only good MCU movie since phase 1)
>>70716858
I'm pretty sure Somalians have one god, Allah.
>>70716724
BvS was great, fuck off MCUnt.
>>70716859
i havent moved any arguments and ive followed the discussion but your arguments makes no sense, why would the other JL members need a connection to superman?
I do love how angry you seem to be over this.
>>70713676
Risks don't always pay off. You get rewards for results, not for trying.
>>70716907
there are others, a lot if you count pre muslim religion.
>>70716853
Ummmm, you're actually retarded if you can't follow Marvel films.
At no point in AoU did they say "that section of city is conveniently empty", they took plains to show attempts to evacuate in AoU which are shown in Civil War to have STILL RESULTED in casualties.
>>70716893
Of course they are going to keep posting baits that are succesful 100% of the times.
The difference is that they are only laughing at the DCEU, while DCfags have spent 3 years trying to convince everyone that MoS wasn't trash, now we have 1.5 years ahead of us of them trying to convince us that BvS wasn't trash, and then even more years of convincing that Justice League isn't trash when it gets critically panned.
>>70716853
You seem to be getting angry. It's ok. If you like Superman killing people or letting people die then that's what you like. I mean it doesn't seem very super to me but meh to each his own.
>>70716974
Never knew that.
>>70716930
"His death inspired the forming of the JL"
How so if most of them had no connection to supes?
Not a hard thread to follow, I'm sorry.
>>70713676
they took a big risk with cgi shit baddy and introducing the JL with attachments in a mail
you fucking loser
>>70716879
>Stalker
>still butthurt from previous thread
>has learnt nothing from getting destroyed over & over again
>masochist
>>70717098
>DCuck talking about getting destroyed
You know that by experience, I guess, considering the DCEU is crumbling away.
>>70717055
Yeah, i think the most famous would be thw Waak/Waaq religion.
also, I think what the anon is trying to say is that his death put hope and motivation into batman and ww's heart to form JL in his honour. At least that was partially my interpretation.
>>70717023
The problem with zack snyder's cinematic universe is the instant superman starts actually acting like the literal god he is, the tone of the universe completely changes overnight.
As a literal god with the unwaverable determination to do what is right means all the grit and cynicism dissolves completely and utterly.
So snyder has a vested interest in keeping superman from being "super."
>>70713676
Risks don't matter if the results are shit.
I mean Snyder could have taken a bigger risk and hire a black guy in a wheelchair to play Superman, a gay muslim to play Batman and instead of superheros, they are both laywers settling a dispute over the taxation of the import of exotic amphibians.
>>70713676
They took a risk that had no good payoff.
Of course everyone is pointing at Snyder and laughing.
>>70717133
Well that at last makes some sense, and yeah I can agree with that. Not that I don't think Future Flash wasn't reason enough and the death of supes wasn't wasted so early. I shall have to research those further, thanks.
>>70717117
>1 movie
>anons mad for 3 years >>70716998
>2 movies
>plebs literally lost it because it blew their plebfilter from their brains from getting the masterpiece ingrained in their brain just by watching it once
inb4 All hail Snydra
marvel movies have killed comic books films. an actual intelligent superhero movie comes out and of course its panned by retards who want epic quips and one liners every god damn scene. this movie was a mythical epic and clearly too advanced for the marvel plebs and mass iditos. if it came out 10 years ago it would have gotten the praise it deserves. sadly marvel has killed comic book movies forever.
>>70713676
are you serious?
they combined 3 stories into one
one
doomsday storyline
dark knight returns
and if you count it the trinity line
the fuck man
some post up mcu phases and see how cinema world build should have been with dcu
marvel took a risk(s)
>>70717302
Sure, whatever you say.
>>70717161
I agree. I think between Snyder's dark and gritty vision and Warner Brother's reasoning that the public likes those types of movies because the Nolan's Batman movies did so well, they now now want to do only that formula thinking they will get the same results at the box office.
Making a Batman movie is literally a ticket to print money there's absolutely nothing risky about it. Throw in Superman and Wonder Woman and there was never even a chance of failure. Christ even Batman and Robin made money hand over fist.
Stop trying to convince yourselves this movie was deep or different or "risky".
>>70713676
I finally want to see that shit movie
I don't care if it's really 0/10 shit
I want to see it
HQ stream when?
fuck this takes way too long
and why?
>>70717328
>an actual intelligent superhero movie comes out and of course its panned by retards
I know I like All Superheroes Must Die too but we are talking about the shitty BvS movie here.
>>70713775
>BvS was a risk
> a film with the 2 most recognizable superheroes ever was a risk
>>70717242
its cool anon
>>70715739
Skurge doesnt have a lot of lines in the comics either. The most hes probably said was when he sacrificed himself for Thor. Why would this be different?
>>7071546 fuck off you fucking faggot
>>70714889
>>70717698
he has enough to make him a likeable and memorable character, compare that to the mcu whiplash or ronan
>>70716991
>At no point in AoU did they say "that section of city is conveniently empty"
you haven't seen the iron man/hulk fight, did you? marvel retards don't even know shit about their own movies, kek.
>>70714490
>their superheroes are likeable
No they're not. Entertaining to watch perhaps, but never likable (with the possible exception of Banner/Hulk). All the other Avengers come off as huge, egotistical jerks for the most part.
>>70717930
>no they are not
You may think so, but people liking Tony Stark is what made Iron Man so succesful.
Hell, people liking Tony Stark is the only reason the MCU exists.
>>70717913
The only reason people know him was because of his death. And this is coming from a Skurge fan. Hopefully Karl Urban does him good.
>>70716998
>DCfags have spent 3 years trying to convince everyone that MoS wasn't trash
I liked MoS and I gotta say that you're wrong
"MoS/BvS is Goat-Tier" retards are just baiting, obviously. The rest of the time, I only see people who refute other people's arguments who don't get the simplest of things in both movies
"superman killed zod!" isn't legitimate criticism as much as you want it to be
>>70717928
The one fought in a packed city...?
>>70718147
The one with people literally running for cover.
>>70718017
after they'd both spent half an hour flying through steel, glass, and concrete like it was paper, acting like the only option was to snap zod's neck because he happened to be resting against a bit of floor was pretty shit.
>>70713676
>took more risks than the MCU
by pretending to be deep and instead being grimdark trash
okay kiddo
>>70717928
>marvel retards don't even know shit about their own movies, kek.
To be honest all marvel movies are the same, it's hard to know what retarded shit happens in one or the other (except for the flying truck and alike of course)
>>70713775
>Thor and Cap 1
>Guardians of the Galaxy
>Ant-Man
>Less risky than rushing three of the most well-known superheroes and throwing them on the screen promising LE FIGHT OF THE CENTURY
mmhmm, okay Damage Control cuck
As a DC fanboy:
>relied on knowing the backstories of everyone too much, no introductions to who people are
>pacing was a mess; almost no buildup to anything, just random events happening everywhere
>lex luthors character was an abomination, seriously
I enjoyed it and maybe the actual Ultimate Edition will fix most of the issues but I see why people didn't like it.
That being said, I can go see Civil War and X-Men with absolutely no knowledge about the universe (which I did) and still enjoy the shit out of them.
Hopefully Justice League learns from this mess.
>>70718348
Mate , Justice League will most assuredly still suffer from your first point and likely the second too. And the third if Luthor is in it.
>>70718421
I have hope.
Regardless, I want to see Batflecks standalone more than anything. Batman was easily the best part of BvS and his fight scenes alone were terrific.
>>70718501
>zack snyder
why? Hes made nothing but complete garbage. His garbage isn't even endearing.
>Prepare to die, Superman
>muh mother's name
>Did we just become best friends?
>Yup!
>>70718501
I'd like to say I'm excited for anything but Lego Batman bit honestly, no.
Everything about new Batfleck aside from Ben sounds more of the same. The whole idea of every single villain just sounds clusteefucky. And don't say "muh Arkham game" cause that was a game over ten plus hours.
>>70713676
Normally I'd agree with you, a risky failure is better than a successful film that plays it safe. In the case of BvS, though, the movie is just such a confused godawful mess that I'd honestly prefer something coherent and actually enjoyable. I think it's an exception.
>>70713676
>I think we can all agree it took more risks than anything in the MCU
So what? People who jump off cliffs with no parachute take bigger risks than most. That doesn't mean we should admire them in any way.
>>70718266
This just in: Ant Man is the same as Winter Soldier
Espionage thrillers are the same things as goofy heist comedies.
>>70718501
He's right though.there won't possibly be time to do all the characters they want to introduce justice.
>>70718659
I mean, if their goal was to die, I admire the hell out of that. Suicide is basically the only proper response to the current perpetually worsening nightmare that is western society.
>>70718017
>"superman killed zod!" isn't legitimate criticism as much as you want it to be
It was one of the lesser problems but it was still totally rushed and stupid. Zack has no idea how to build to a moment he wants to depict. It just suddenly happens.
>>70718695
OW THE EDGE dot jaypeegee
>>70717930
Better than a balding alien who has no connection to the human race beyond muh Martha and Lois Lane, who is basically his "pet", a psychotic murdering hypocrite, and a literally who jewess.
>>70713711
No. There have been shared universe movies since the 1940s.
>>70714514
It's hard to drag civil war down. It perform too well.
>>70713676
>muh risk
>muh something new
