4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > 3 > 1 > 2
yeah
You have to understand one thing: For all the shit the prequels get, most of it is from people who didn't watch them when they came out, because they were too young. These are the people who missed out on both the original trilogy AND the prequels.
They copied the hate for the prequels to fit in with the jaded autists who are now in their 40s.
So for those people, TFA is their first star wars release that they are actively part of, so they HAVE to like it, it's like "shit, I wanna belong to this fandom, because I missed the two previous trains". So they blindly hype it, completely ignore all flaws. They're forcing themselves. And they'll defend this movie to the death. Every reviewer that uses phrases like "the first good star wars movie since 19xx" falls into the same category of youngsters who have no taste.
These people, from a subconscious fear of never really being part of this fandom, are now praising the movie to be the next coming of christ. Everyone who isn't still shitting their diapers and can actually judge the movie objectively will tell you: This one is the worst of the bunch.
Yes, worse than the prequels. It's like a chinese knockoff of star wars, bearing nothing that made the previous 6 movies charming (I say charming and not good, because they were both good at something, but not at the same thing". The only thing this has in common with star wars is the title. It's blatant nostalgia fanwank down to copying most of the plot from ANH, ripping off all major setpieces and shoehorning an "epic phrase" ála "i have a bad feeling about this" in the dialogue every 2-3 minutes.
Do me a favor and watch the prequels when you have the time again, just do it, and try to note how much they relied on recalling the original trilogy. It's not a lot. That's why the prequels, while having a different focus than the OT, succeed as a movie series. TFA does not.
>>70650620
This guy gets it
Bellissimo
>>70650688
i know its pasta, but just in case anyone actually believes this:
i was 20 when the first prequel came out, it sucked then and it sucks now
5 > 4 > 6 >>>>>7>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prequels
>>70650688
kill yourself
1, 2and 3 are garbage sure, but 7 did far more to hurt my opinion if the franchise. I really didn't need to know almost every character went and dulled in a corner and then died like a birch. Nothing about 7 was remotely enjoyable.
>>70651054
for you.
>>70650620
>7 over 3
>>70650620
3>4>5>6>2>1>>>>>>>>>>>>7
>>70650688
>Do me a favor and watch the prequels when you have the time again, just do it, and try to note how much they relied on recalling the original trilogy. It's not a lot.
>C3PO shoved in for no reason
>R2D2 back for no reason
>dude Jango Fett is also a bounty hunter lmao
>Clones are a ripoff of storm troopers
>dude Baby Boba Fett lmao
>Republic ships are a ripoff of Imperial Star destroyers
>Naboo is earth
>Death Star plans in Attack of the Clones
>All Jedi wear Tatooine farmer robes
>Corisant is a ripoff of the city from Blade Runner
>dude Genonisis is Tatooine with rocks lmao
>dude Kamino is just Cloud City with water instead of clouds lmao
>Death Star ripoff in TPM
>not a lot
>>70650620
5>7>4>6>3>1>2 for me currently
>>70651953
sry, 7 and 4 the other way around
>>70650765
Excellent reasoning my friend. Bravo.
>>70651154
The only correct answerkind of
>>70652080
Not him but The Phantom Menace was the biggest disappointment in cinematic history.
>>70650688
The whole fucking plot of the prequels is about Darth Vader. And yes they did shoehorn in a bunch of bullshit, such as Anakin building C3PO (which makes no fucking sense), R2D2 being in it, Chewbacca being in it, the entire clone army being made from Boba Fett's DNA, Yoda having a huge role, and probably a whole bunch of other shit I don't remember. TFA just happened to be even worse in that regard.
5>4>the rest
>>70650620
4, 5, 6, 7.
Thats all there is.
>>70651859
so goddamn embrassing
It's not surprising that the same people who attack the prequels are always unversed in real film or anything artistic, and that the people who praise the prequels (Zizek, Paglia and Brody) are always literate, educated, and versed in real film.
The fact that everyone points to Plinkett as the authority on why the prequels are bad speaks volumes. Mike Stoklasa is one of the least artistic people on the planet - he can't process movies outside of the conventions of Hollywood films, his approach to narrative is tempered with the same surface-level requisites listed on tvtropes.
Any complaint that people have about the prequels illustrates a weak grasp on film. Their sensibilities for 'good dialogue' in what is intentionally pulp comes from bad pulp, ie, the original Star Wars, the only pulp they've ever seen. They would similarly view any homage-driven art film and miss the entire point.
Lucas' only mistake in the prequels was doing something daring, original, artistic and literate, not realizing that the manchildren conditioned by the original SW trilogy to loathe anything cerebral would lash out against his cinematic risks.
>>70652160
episode 1 basically invented modern mental gymnastics.
in what order would you watch the first 6 with your future child?
mine would probably be
4->5->2->3->6->1
>>70652172
The prequels had absolutely no reason to piggyback off the OT but they did.
>Obi-Wan: Why do I get the feeling you're going to be the death of me?
>Anakin: Don't say that, master. You're the closest thing I have to a father.
TFA was a sequel, it had to tie in to the events of the OT somehow.
>>70652256
its not surprising the people who praise the prequels have to rely entirely upon copypasta.
>>70650620
6>7>5>4>3>2>1
FIGHT ME
>>70652305
I just pressed random numbers.
5>4>7>6>1>3>2
>>70652256
4 paragraphs, and it's still weak bait senpai.
>>70652256
>Lucas' only mistake in the prequels was doing something daring, original, artistic and literate, not realizing that the manchildren conditioned by the original SW trilogy to loathe anything cerebral would lash out against his cinematic risks.
It's like poetry. It rhymes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yOYiVHKOog
>>70652285
TFA was not only a course-correction of the franchise (had to remind people what Star Wars is really about after the prequels) but it also serves as a story about legacy and how the previous generation influences the new. Virtually every character is motivated by their interpretation of the characters and events of the Galactic Civil War. Just like in our universe, the heroes of the original trilogy are legends.
In the prequels George just shoved a bunch of shit in there because DUDE POETRY LMAO
4>5>3>6>2>7>1
>>70650620
4 > 5 > 3 > 6 > 1 > 2
7 isn't canon
>>70650620
V > IV > VII > III > VI >>>>>>>>>> I = II
>>70652442
Yes, the only reason TFA is the way it is, it's because of the prequels.
Just like how Batman Begins is the way it is because of Batman and Robin.
Just like how Casino Royale is the way it is because of Die Another Day.
Just like how Star Trek 09 is because of Star Trek: Nemesis
Just like how X-Men: First Class is because of X-Men: The Last Stand/Origins: Wolverine.
Just like how Godzilla 2014 was after Godzilla 98.
Just like how The Living Daylights was the way it was because of A View to a Kill.
A movie meant to steer the franchise into the right direction after its gone through its lowest point.
>>70650688
Dubs for fresh honest pasta
Unless you're ranking the OT as individual films - which makes little sense - Empire is the best.
Ranking the prequels is pointless as they're all terrible and ruined the franchise.
TFA is a reboot and shouldn't even be considered part of the series.
>>70650620
watchable but mega-pleb trite tier:
456
boring pretentious trite tier
123
unwatchable trite made for children tier
7, every spinoff
Is this true:
http://makingstarwars.net/2016/06/rumor-the-force-is-with-a-beloved-character-in-star-wars-viii-and-who-is-not-reys-father/
I'll put TFA behind SW2 if so
>>70652773
>TFA is a reboot and shouldn't even be considered part of the series.
>b8 or not, there are people legitimately this autistic about star wars
>>70652773
It's part of the series, stop crying about it you child.
>>70652846
>>70652850
>millennials needing to have their own version of everything
I bet you also consider the Daniel Craig movies legitimate James Bond films.
>>70652846
People who hate TFA are more triggered by "muh jews muh evil corporations muh disney" than anything in the actual movie.
They decided back in 2012 that they were going to hate the new Star Wars movies no matter what.
Why the fuck does everyone say 3 is the best prequel?
>>70650620
>4 > 5 > 6 > 3 > 1 > 2 > 7
TFA pacing was horrible
>>70652932
Because it is, no matter how disappointing General Grevious is as a villain.
>>70652954
I think 1 is better than 3, if only because of the >younglings.
>>70652944
Pacing wasn't great. But the film itself is easily better than 2/3 of the Prequel Trilogy.
>>70652917
I was severely disappointed by TFA, but I wasn't determined to hate or dislike it. Going in I knew it was going to borrow quite a bit from ANH. Though the amount of borrowing was still staggering. That's not getting into the other problems: lackluster protagonist, weak score, poor pacing, contrived writing.
>>70653041
You didn't like the youngling part in III? Neither did I. Lucas, the fucking cunt he is, cut out the scene where Anakin kills them and made it a deleted scene. I'll never forgive that fucker.
>>70652895
>le I was born in the wrong generation xDD
kys
>>70650620
I still agree tbqh
5>4>7>6>3>1>2
>>70652917
>people decided that they were going to hate it years before it came out
That's such bullshit. I was looking forward to it, hoping it would get back to the more classic OT after the SE and prequels fucked over the franchise. It turned out to be incredibly mediocre, boring, and ultimately forgettable.
Then again, JJ Abrams is just about the worst big name director in Hollywood right now.
>>70652917
I think a big reason TFA gets hate that has nothing to do with the actual movie is that it was made by Disney.
The Disney buyout of Lucasfilm and their immediate decision to start making SW films as fast as possible just comes off as very cold business to a lot of people. People had made up their mind, before TFA came out, that Disney SW movies are just product and not movies.
When the comparison to A New Hope started being made after TFA came out, people got very negative, especially with the idea Disney's motive was just to make product that appealed to the long-term fans who knew REAL SW was Ep 4-6. Nostalgia money. Hating The Force Awakens was the result of that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFCBwob65Nw
star wars is for plebs
>>70652932
Because the ending finally connected up with ANH, and people were honestly just happy to be done with it.
>>70653089
>Pacing
Star Wars is deliberately designed to be fast paced dude. Richard Chew Paul Hirsch and Marcia Lucas saved the original cut of ANH from being a tiring overexpository bore.
and keep in mind there's about 30 minutes of no action scenes when they're on Maz's planet.
>lackluster protagonist
Yeah well you know that's just like uh, your opinion man. I'm sorry she didn't read a book about the Force and spend time in a flight simulator to justify her being good with the Force and to satisfy your autism.
>weak score
Again, opinions, prequel score was overly bombastic and takes over every scene. in my opinion, it's not a good score when it takes over the entire picture.
>contrived writing
Yeah, you're most likely a prequelbabby lmao. DUDE WHY DID KYLO LOSE TO REY KYLO SHOULD HAVE MORE MIDICHLORIANS THAN HER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>70652944
>Oscar [Nominee] (2016)
>Best Achievement in Film Editing
There has to someone else with this ranking.
5 > 4 > 6 > 7 >1> 3 > 2
>>70653174
he's talking about this
>>70653320
People in /tv/ SW hype threads =/= people in general
>>70653320
>making me read all of this shit
give me a tl;dr you stupid faggot
>>70650688
>>70653230
> Star Wars is deliberately designed to be fast paced dude
TFA was too fast and didn't have enough world building. Both things were done better in OT.
> I'm sorry she didn't read a book about the Force and spend time in a flight simulator to justify her being good with the Force and to satisfy your autism
Her development was rushed and her personality is bland. She is so unrealistically skilled the other characters suffer from it and her backstory doesn't really support it. None more than Finn. Who was a terrible waste of potential.
> Yeah, you're most likely a prequelbabby lmao
Literally just dissed the prequels above, somehow a prequel baby. Ok. And the coincidences in TFA are ridiculous. Plus it basically reset the universe.
>>70653535
>world building.
Star Wars isn't a fucking documentary you faggot. The universe serves the characters, not the other way around. This IS prequel logic talking, however you may deny it.
>She is so unrealistically skilled the other characters suffer from it and her backstory doesn't really support it.
Force is about spirit and belief faggot, not biological power levels and 20 years of a literal yoda school.
>>70653535
>Both things were done better in OT
These movies aren't trying to outdo the OT, just recreate it for a new generation.
And they've done that well.
>>70653440
It's just /pol/ and /tv/ being stupid and wrong as usual.
>>70653320
but they were wrong
7>3>5>6>2>4>1
>>70653658
> Star Wars isn't a fucking documentary you faggot. The universe serves the characters, not the other way around. This IS prequel logic talking, however you may deny it.
It doesn't have to be a documentary to do good world building. Lucas and whoever he was working with gave a much better sense of the universe in A New Hope. One film. Not a trilogy. In the Prequels, he went overboard. No matter how much you insist, I'm not a fan of the PT. And TFA pretty much abandoned wb altogether. It doesn't have to be too much or nothing. There is a thing called balance.
> Force is about spirit and belief faggot, not biological power levels and 20 years of a literal yoda school.
Did I state anywhere that it wasn't about spirituality and faith? But it still requires some degree of training, according to both Obi-Wan and Darth Vader.
>>70653848
clearly. people are mad that a movie with a black dude and a woman made so much money and received major critical acclaim.
5 ≥ 4 > 6
>>70654175
They've raised the price of a theater ticket by a dollar a year for the past decade. Gross is literally irrelevant, as is RT "critical acclaim".
4 > 6 > 5 > 3 > 7 > 1 > 2
call the cops, I don't give a fuck
>>70652537
7 is the Dragonball GT of Star Wars.
>>70650620
5 > 4 > 7 > 6 > 3 > AIDS > 1 > 2
>>70654278
Metacritic and any other review site will give you a similar opinion.
>>70654278
They why did it take so long to beat Avatar domestically?
5 > 4 >>>>>>>>>>> 6 >> 7 > 3 >>>> 1 > 2
5>6>3>4=7>2=1
>>70654561
>all of those greater than symbols
>>70653535
>too fast
Are you retarded and can't keep up?
>>70650620
Correct, except 5 is better than 4. I do appreciate you recognize 2 is the worst one.
>>70654510
Avatar was the biggest hyped film of all time. TFA was practically just another capeshit flick.
>>70654832
Ten years since the Revenge of the Sith and the promise of returning to the feel of the Original Trilogy (some of the most beloved movies ever). I think that is comparable hype.
>>70654688
Got everything. Not a difficult movie. Just rushed. Some of the action could have been cut to allow more room to breathe.
>>70654832
that doesn't explain why TFA smacked Avatar by a large margin.
Avatar had more expensive tickets because of 3D.
3D was its entire selling point.
TFA was mostly viewed in 2D and still won by a lot.
Plus, Avatar had two theatrical runs and still lost.
Face it, TFA was a huge success.
>>70654596
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>implying
>>70654596
A 10/10 IN BONGLAND
>>70655026
>Face it, TFA was a huge success
Nobody is denying it made money, but using that as a measure of it's quality is pointless. Jurassic World is #4, when Jurassic Park is #20, and in fifth place is garbage tier capeshit.
Face it, those numbers are meaningless unless you're a studio exec who doesn't actually care about movies and only looks at the bottom line.
>>70655170
Explain the critical acclaim and major fan satisfaction without memes.
/tv/ is a small place, just because a few stormweenies hate it doesn't mean people didn't love it.
>>70650620
>Putting anything before Empire
>>70655241
>major fan satisfaction
Kids flocking to a flashy cgi reboot of a retro franchise made just for their generation isn't the same thing as "fan satisfaction".
>>70655153
youre so contrarian and in denial that you must warp reality to fit your own sad delusions.
I feel pity for you, /tv/irgin.
you are a fucking faggot if you wouldnt do anything with Daisy.
>>70650620
Why do you people unironically think 1 is better than 2? Hayden is atrocious (that romance montage is unintentionally hilarious) and it has big flaws but its a masterpiece compared to 1.
>>70650688
Remaking the OT is one thing. But not delivering on a promise to make a sequel to RotJ and wasting Hamill, Ford, and Fisher was disappointing. These actors won't be around forever. And resetting the universe is kind of insulting.
Nevertheless, let's not pretend the PT isn't a mess. Lucas really dropped the ball.
yo the guy behind Every Frame A Painting wrote an essay about why TFA sucks.
https://medium.com/@tonyszhou/the-force-awakens-is-a-deeply-broken-film-b-c-one-character-shouldn-t-be-there-spoilers-b31e33a44ee6#.t9d2pygj6
>THE FORCE AWAKENS begins with the words “This will begin to make things right.” Many fans are interpreting those words to mean that J.J. Abrams is correcting the prequels. But the real film that Episode VII is fixing is Episode VI. Half of the runtime of this new movie is spent correcting one problem, the mere fact that Han Solo should have died then and didn’t.
>>70650620
Absolute undeniable objective ranking coming through
4=5>6>>7>3>2=1
>>70650620
If you disagree, you're the cancer killing Star Wars
>>70655455
dubs confirms it.
>>70655846
He didn't say that it sucks, just that he's disappointed that Han lived through RotJ and had to be killed off in this one.
I disagree wholeheartedly (Kylo Ren's entire story is based on his love for his father he's trying to suppress), but I see why he feels that way.
>>70650620
HALT
WRONG
WRONG
WRONG
1=5>4>3>6>7>2
>>70655855
Return of the Jedi is objectively worse than TFA by every measurable standard. The only good parts of the movie are the throne room and the space battle.
Jabba's Palace is 20 minutes longer than it needs to be and the entire second act is a fucking slog. Lucas had too much creative control (Marquand was a puppet director) and you can see his bad habits starting to form
>>70655872
yep
even the shittiest SW movie is still a great popcorn flick
thanks to George's ideas and McQuarrie's artwork
>>70655370
>le it's a kids movie meme
fine, cover your ears and pretend it's not loved by the fanbase.
>>70655846
>YouTube
not even once.
>>70656068
I've been back and forth on this. TFA has some serious pacing issues. Then again, as you said, Jabba's palace is longer than it needs to be. The first infiltration attempt should have been removed. TFA's first act is pretty strong. When it comes to the main players, I like the characters of RotJ more. The latter has better villains and its heroes have great chemistry and are treated better. Both films have a Death Star retread, though the one in RotJ is more original and engaging. RotJ also has the better score.
I: 4/10
II: 3.5/10
III: 6/10
IV: 10/10
V: 9.5/10
VI: 8/10
VII: 8/10
>>70656451
i would give 6 another .5 bump solely for nostalgia, but otherwise nice list senpai [Spoiler](tbqh)[/Spoiler]
>>70656451
>VII: 8/10
Sorry, but decent characters can't save a shitty rehashed plot.
The prequel trilogy was crap, but it was memorable crap.
TFA was crap, but it was bland, forgettable crap.
5 > 6 > 7 > 4 > 1 > 3 > 2
>>70656772
shut the fuck up you nostalgia-driven manchild, I've heard this excuse a million times and it's still not true.
Something being memorable for all the wrong reasons is not ok at all.
>>70653279
The only right answer in this thread. You faggot /v/irgin edgelords that prefer 3 over 6 and 1 can fuck off with your memecancer and 2 hour cutscene.
>>70656795
1 is pure horseshit.
3 is much better.
>>70656759
I'd argue that they could. I find good characters more important than a good plot. The problem was they weren't good enough to justify how much of a rehash TFA was. The main character was plain boring.
Can never figure out what these numbers are for. Star Wars was a fantastic film in 1977, and I love it, but George died in 1978 without ever making a sequel. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
>>70656906
>The main character was plain boring.
Yea. I hope Rian Johnson is going to save her arc somehow.
still Finn + Kylo + Poe are good enough to get me hype for VIII
>>70656847
>all those buzzwords
>>70656978
>posts Viper cover
>but not Y'all Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
anon...
>>70650620
3 is better than 7
>>70656978
No need to be upset over the truth
>>70657073
saved
>>70653230
You can have a right and wrong opinion. This is abpost witht the wrong opinion. Think about your argument before you puke put some shit like this.
>>70657302
He has some good points.
>>70655872
I like this.
you have 10 seconds to post the absolute hottest pic of Daisy Ridley
>>70657362
> Wanting more time to breathe, take in sights, and let characters develop is bad. The scenes involving the criminals and the Rathtars could have been replaced with something more meaningful.
> Questioning an overpowered character with rushed progress means you want everything to be explained
> Questioning the writing makes you a prequelbaby
Good points
>>70657992
> Wanting more time to breathe, take in sights, and let characters develop is bad. The scenes involving the criminals and the Rathtars could have been replaced with something more meaningful.
Are you retarded and can't keep up?
> Questioning an overpowered character with rushed progress means you want everything to be explained
This isn't a video game. No one cares if a character is overpowered. Ever seen a James Bond movie?
> Questioning the writing makes you a prequelbaby
The writing was fine, it's from Kasdan himself.
Empire > A New Hope > The Force Awakens > Return of the Jedi > the prequels don't exist
>>70658107
> Are you retarded and can't keep up?
Thinking something is rushed doesn't mean you don't understand it. Pls stop.
> This isn't a video game. No one cares if a character is overpowered. Ever seen a James Bond movie?
This isn't James Bond. It's Star Wars. Additionally, Bond has over twenty years of experience. And how many times has he been captured and depended purely on others or luck?
> The writing was fine, it's from Kasdan himself.
Doesn't matter who wrote it. It was still pretty weak.
5 > 4 > 6 > 3=7 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 >>>>> Holiday Special >>>>>>> 2
5>4>6>>3>>>>2>>>>1>7
The big question is:
Where do each of us come down on the Admiral Motti issue?
>>70658357
Star wars is about spirit and belief, dude. Im sorry you think its about power levels
I trust the giy who wrote Empire and created Yoda to understand the series and the force better than some sperg on the internet
>>70659122
He basically had the same understanding of the force as Han did at the time he spoke lowly of it... And obviously he was wrong so
Vader>Motti
Shit > 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 = 5 = 6 = 7
>>70652820
God I hope so.
ROTJ Throne Room scene>5>4>3>1>rest of ROTJ>7>2
>>70659140
Who said anything about power levels? Obi-Wan says that he was trained by Yoda and that he trained Anakin. He sends Luke to be trained by Yoda. Darth Vader tells Luke he requires more training. Spirituality is important. But it requires more. You don't master something by simply believing in it.
But believe what you will.
>>70659122
That was a good read.
>>70650620
5 > 4 > 6 > 3 > 7 > 1 > 2
2 had no redeeming quality while 1 atleast had Mail and NOW THIS IS PODRACING. 3 is infinitely more entertaining with based Sheeve than that SJW cuck TFA.
>>70658218
/thread
>>70659650
>You don't master something by simply believing in it.
She did a mind trick. Who the fuck cares?
If you're pissy over her beating Kylo, you don't understand Kylo as a character, and that's your own fault for being too stupid to understand characterization.
>>70660022
Not him, but I think the mind trick could be explained by her learning it after she was in Kylo's head.
>>70650620
5>4>6>3=7>1>2
>>70659883
I knew someone would agree with me eventually. I also like A New Hope and The Force Awakens the same amount.
>>70660022
Pissy. Simply listing things I didn't like. K.
Kylo Ren is trying to prove himself and live up to Vader's legacy. He is afraid about falling away from the dark side and is instructed to demonstrate his allegiance by committing patricide. However, he is short-tempered and can't handle failure or setbacks. There is still much for him to learn. He is an incomplete villain. But even if his training isn't complete, he still seems a little too unpolished. Why is he leading the Knights of Ren? And why does he have so much free reign in the First Order? After getting so thoroughly dispatched, how is he or his subordinates supposed to be seen as threatening? Are we sure Kasdan actually pitched in?
>>70660096
That's what happened. She saw things while in Kylo's head.
>>70660466
Snoke is clearly using him for something. I wouldn't be surprised if he was fostering Kylo's conflict on purpose. And he's the leader of the Knights of Ren and has free reign because Snoke lets his pet do whatever he wants to keep him compliant. That's the way I saw it, at least. And because Kylo isn't particularly weak when he doesn't have his side caved in and isn't mentally fucked by killing his father. He seems to have a good grasp of the Force. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to say he's usually very effective.
I'd expect that he'll be quite a bit of a bigger threat in the next movie, and then the next. It's the logical progression of his character. But I doubt he'll ever reach Vader level, since the whole point is he's not built for that.
>>70650620
>TFA is better than Revenge of the Sith
nice trolling
5 > 4 > 7 > 6 > 3 > 2 > 1
I wish people would stop saying that 5 is better than 4
7 is the worst. It is absolute trash. At least the prequels had their own vision and world and weren't just a cynical fanboy exploit
>>70660752
> I wouldn't be surprised if he was fostering Kylo's conflict on purpose
As long as we don't go back to the: Sheev is clouding everyone's mind and diminishing their use of the force type stuff from the PT.
>>70660966
the prequels were exactly that.
>>70660917
Nothing is better than this
5>4>6>3>7>1>2
>>70652455
Swap 6 and 3 and you have this anons endorsement
>>70661392
I honestly have no fucking clue what they plan to do with Snoke. We have nothing to go on with him other than that he's old as fuck and mind-diddled Kylo since childhood.
I don't think the writers know either. He strikes me as a character they're making up as they go along.
7 is by far the most overrated movie in the entire franchise, and that's saying a lot. It is LITERALLY a dry, unimaginative rehash of episode 4 with much worse characters and even more plot holes, and yet it received glowing praise because "well at least it's not the prequels!"
Also 1 is the best prequel. Sure it has Jar Jar but it's not as cringeworthy as the coughing robot with LE EBIN FOUR LIGHTSABERS ZOMG General Poochievous.
>>70660917
Why? I will concede 4 has a better climax but 5 had better atmosphere and set peices. Plus there was a lot of tension in thay final duel
>>70662112
Even if Rey eventually returned to the light, it would be interesting to see her and Kylo Ren switch places as antagonist and protagonist. Maybe Snoke recognizes Rey as the better student and manages to seduce her. And he disregards Kylo Ren, who reconciles with Luke and Leia. But Disney wouldn't do that, Rey is seen as a role model for young girls. Also, I imagine that being pretty hard on Luke. Losing yet another student.
>>70662632
I like this idea because it's bold as hell, but no way they'd do that. Like you said, they won't make their female role model go that dark in today's PC culture. At most she'll be "tempted" and then get over it.
>>70662834
Imagine the despair younger audiences and people in general would feel if it happened. It might be comparable to Darth Vader revealing he was Luke's father and the heroes losing in ESB. Definitely a dramatic note to end Ep VIII on.
>>70662374
Star Wars fans, at least the movie ones, have really low standards. What did you expect from them? To recognize a bad movie that? Anon, please.
>>70655872
AOTC was objectively shit though. Half the movie was cringeworthy romance between Anakin and Padme, the other half was shitty CGI action that aged worse than milk.
>>70663872
Well they recognized the prequels as bad movies, at the very least. TFA is just proof that Star Wars nerds are just nostalgiafags who just want the same movies from their childhood over and over again.
Wow so many people consider Episode 2 to be the worst. Out of the 6 Star Wars films (haven't seen Episode 7) I find it the most comfy. The dialogue between Padme and Anakin is bad but the BGM and scenery during those scenes is very relaxing. Personally I think Episode 1 is the worst.
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>>70664266
>generic response from plinkett
