Find a flaw.
>>70597171
Disney
>>70597171
Daisy
>>70597171
Glib facsimile
>>70597171
Production values not as high as prequels.
>>70597171
>>70597171
If the movie was memorable enough it I'd post them.
>>70597171
episode 1 was better
>>70597171
Not enough Jar Jar.
>>70597171
>Luke wasnt even in it
>bland soundtrack
>carrie fisher is a junkie
>Rey picks up a lightsaber and 30 seconds later can defeat a Sith Lord
>>70597171
unimaginative, bland, opens the door to even worse sequels.
>>70597171
It made me nostalgic for Lucas's shitty prequels.
one of the main characters is a nigger.
/thread
the Xenomorph jumps into the Millennium Falcon and can instantly fly it better than Han Solo
>>70597171
overrated capeshit, not even as good as decade defining movies/series/phenomenons
No good lightsaber fights like the Maul one or Anakin vs Obi-Wan.
>>70597171
I watched it for the first time yesterday. I can't get over how overpowered toothgirl is. The chimp's comments broke immersion, because I couldn't remember some ghetto trash in the original trilogy. "HURF JU SEEN DAT?" - yes I have, I don't need you to reinforce what my eyes just witnessed on the screen, Finn.
C3PO is still in this.
>>70597171
There was natural, flowing, good dialogue.
Which put me off because I thought I was watching Star Wars.
>>70597593
He wasn't a Sith Lord
>>70597171
Rey.
>>70597171
It's not memorable in the slightest.
>>70597171
Everything
>>70597171
All of it.
>>70597171
no women of color
It's Episode IV with a re-skin.
>>70597171
Too many niggers, emo's, Mary Sue's and teenagers.
Other than that, not a bad watch.
>>70597171
a soccer ball for a droid
>>70597171
worthless tripe made only to sell toys to kids and fedora wearing manchildren
>>70599411
this, it's generic as fuck
>>70597171
Too similar to 4.
>>70597171
Blatant rehash
Unremarkable soundtrack
Forced diversity
Marketing to girls
MaRey Sue
Disney
And those are only a few
>>70597171
best one in the series tied with V, although that's not saying much
>>70600008
/thread
>>70597171
It isn't Star Wars, it's some STAR WARS™ by Disney™ shit
3 > 5 > 6 > 1 > 4 > 2
>>70600118
>Unremarkable soundtrack
Holy shit. If that ain't the truth then I don't know what is.
Never during the film did I ever even realise there was a soundtrack because it was so damn dull.
>>70597541
My master, Sauron the Great, bids thee welcome.
>>70597171
It had minorities and whatnot that make you unable to bash it without being called racist/sexist.
Also its star wars so cash would be supreme no matter how shitty it would be
>>70600000
>>70600144
the old lady minion nigger doesn't count
>>70600156
This is the crux of it, really. People already decided that Disney was some evil company that was going to milk Star Wars to death, so they didn't care about the actual quality of the movie.
Fun fact: George Lucas was more of a moneyminded jew than the actual jews at Disney, and you would know this if you actually knew anything about Star Wars' production.
>>70600206
I'd take George's vision of Star Wars over Disney at any day, shill.
>>70597736
This. Dear god, why do they have to repeat everything thats on screen. I remember vaguely a dogfight scene when one of the main characters goes 'awesum!'
Yeah, if you keep yelling it the audience will believe it.
>>70600189
You never seen quints before boy? Jesus..
>>70600206
>quality of the movie.
haha good one :^)
>>70600230
The same one that gave you the special editions and the prequels?
It's funny how so many people bought into the lie that George was some kind of auteur and not the exact kind of executive in the suit that he rallied against
>>70600206
I was really exited about it but when the final product was delivered it was just that, a product, seemingly devoid of soul in several departments.
>>70600297
I don't care about special editions, you can still find versions you liked in the first place.
But I don't need """new""" remakes disguised as new episodes.
>>70597171
There's nothing memorable about it, They should have at least put some effort into the soundtrack
not enough quips
>>70600343
>you can still find versions you liked in the first place.
Oh yeah, on VHS or a shitty laserdisc transfer to DVD which they only made a few thousand copies. George had actively suppressed the original versions, he even refused to give the Library of Congress a print of the movie for preservation in the film registry. Illegal bootlegs like despecialized shouldn't have had to be made in the first place, and the fact that Lucasfilm never went after them shows how many people think George is in the wrong on this matter.
>But I don't need """new""" remakes disguised as new episodes.
Ah yes, the "prequels were original!!!11!!" meme.
Ten bucks you complain about how similar TFA is to ANH yet at the same bitch it isn't EXACTLY like ANH
>>70600416
>it isn't EXACTLY like ANH
Stop projecting, I've never wanted new SW films to be like OT. Many people want new content and not a nostalgia rehash, but Disney doesn't care about that. So do I about their "SW" flicks.
>>70600467
>le eeeeevul jews!!!!11!!!!
that's pretty much what your argument is coming down to. Seriously, you can't stop talking about how evil Disney is.
>>70600497
They made a 4 rehash, they're not the good guys that's for sure.
>>70600525
If George hadn't fucked up the entire prequel trilogy they wouldn't have needed to make a movie solely dedicated to reminding people what Star Wars is really about. Even so, TFA has plenty to offer if you can engage with the movie beyond the surface level and not get triggered by a droid holding a McGuffin and an X-Wing. It's a story about legacy and how the old generation influences the new.
>>70600584
So are you on the D's payroll or what? Anyway. TFA didn't remind anyone of what SW really is about. All it did was to try to emulate what Star Wars was but failed miserably in the story department and totally botched the action department. There was constant action, things blowing up left right and centre every 10 minutes or so. That caused me to sort of zone out after half the flick. Add a dull soundtrack to that and you get yourself a boring flick with nothing new to deliver.
>>70600894
>So are you on the D's payroll or what?
Again, you keep showing that you're just mad about le evul disney jews and you're not even trying to contain your autism
>TFA didn't remind anyone of what SW really is about
You know, except the unanimous critical and audience acclaim. And before you go "hurr durr popularity=/= quality!" You're the one who made the claim that no one liked it, so fuck off
>failed miserably in the story department and totally botched the action department.
According to you, but prequel shills' opinions aren't worth shit so w/e
>There was constant action, things blowing up left right and centre every 10 minutes or so
That's pretty much Star Wars nigger. What, should Richard Chew and Marcia Lucas kept that scene in ANH where Biggs and Luke talk about imperial collectivization of moisture farms just to slow the pace for no reason? fuck off
>>70600584
>movie solely dedicated to reminding people what Star Wars is really about
If that was the intention then they did a pretty shit job, even the prequels are memorable even if they are mostly shit.
>>70597171
no story, no motivation for the main character to be there
>>70600383
>There's nothing memorable about it
Han died.
>>70600986
I should have added I'm not that guy you were pootin about with earlier.
Anyway, onwards and up.
>D's payroll comment.
Its a joke you goob. The way you wrote that post made you seem like one.
>TFA SW reminder
As I said earlier in this post, not him but I will make the claim that critics don't know shit since this flick is rated so high and anyone that's watched the OT will know that this TFA is about as far away as Star Wars as you could get if you tried to make a SW movie.
>story ect.
The prequels at least had new proper stories instead of regurgitating the same old death star but bigger act.
>high octane action every 10 minute is somehow star wars
And that is where you lost all credibility. Star Wars IS fantasy action but TFA took the action from 7 up to 11 and that made it seem like some generic action flick set in space. A SW movie would unwind from the action and the hectic cuts and allow the audience to calm down but TFA just throws it all at you. Die Hard 4 suffered the same problem. Whenever there was action it had to be cranked to 11.
>>70597171
did anything even happen in this movie?
>>70601520
death star v3 got blown up
>>70601520
han solo dies
>>70601520
everything happened in like a day
>>70601520
not really no. other than what >>70601566 and >>70601538 said.
although if you want to see a death star explode then go for episode 4 since it actually has a suspenseful lead up to the destruction of the station.
>>70601621
So did ANH, who cares
>>70601520
the entire new republic got destroyedin a second, with no build up or effect on anyone
>>70597171
It's generic crap, already forgotten.
>>70600584
Fuck off JJ
it actually made me appreciate how cool the fucking prequels were in comparison
>>70597692
I mean all the spintowins aside, those lightsaber battles in the prequels were pretty tits
>>70597171
Kylo Ren being such a pussy public shcool toast rack for the prefect.
>>70597171
Rey develops powers as the plot demands, which destroys any sense of tension you have in her fights.
The film pays too much homage to the OT, making it feel masturbatory rather than creative.
J.J. doesn't understand how space works, which leads to a lot of silly things that ultimately bring down the movie. He did the same things in Star Trek. Force the man to watch Cosmos or something. Sheesh.
>>70602692
>He should watch Cosmos to get a better understanding.
Frankly, even H2G2 would give him a greater understanding of space than what he has now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NjSPKxt4ts
>>70602692
>J.J. doesn't understand how space works
so you saying planets can't turn into stars?
>>70597171
If rumor holds true, then it's shit because of what the sequal will be.
>>70604398
Which rumour?
>>70604685
That rey is the child of the force like anakin, and that there are many "chosen ones" because the force makes a new one every time it needs to.
introductions felt rushed and awkward
scenes at orange ladies place felt too chopped up
major lul at end of 2nd act/beginning of 3rd act
played it too safe
>>70605316
That's still a lot tamer than my standing theory of Rey literally being the Force itself.
Just watch it. They won't be able to help themselves. Rey will be the Light Side, and Snoke will be the Dark Side, with Angst Solo caught in the middle. during the third movie.
>>70597171
ugly leads
>>70605426
While both would be extremely bad, the real problem with the multiple chosen ones thing is that it retroactively ruins both lucas' meticulous following of cambell's monomyth, reduces the importance of anakin, and generally just shits up everything in regards to bith the established universe, it's lore, and the two previous trilogies.
>>70605316
It's fake.
>>70605513
It basically introduces Jurassic Park rules to Star Wars.
>"The Force -uh- Finds a way!"
>>70605426
>Rey literally being the Force itself.
I wouldn't mind this.
>>70605577
While the actual nitty gritty details most likely are, let's be honest, would anyone put it past them to do something like that or this
>>70605426
And they'll have to do something along the same lines if they want to have any advancement with rey. That's really the problem with writing a charecter that's "THE BEST EVAR!!!!1!", in order to have any form of progression they have to keep getting more powerful. Very few series have ever been able to have a charecter that begins extremely powerful, and is able to devolp and remain interesting without reaching bullshit levels.
>>70597171
Rey being good at everything. Hopefully Rian can salvage her character.
>>70597171
It's not a movie, it's a meta-creation of pop culture references, nostalgia pushing, virtue signalling and agenda setting designed to sell bad toys and worse ideas.
It's a not a movie, it is the Pepsi Classic of movies. A rebranding, retooling and reselling of an old product.
>>70605773
Just abandon all hope. Very few writers can save a mary sue from becoming pure bullshit, and none of them can do it while also keeping a movie full of action and stop it from becoming a lot more deep than what will work for mass appeal.
>>70605718
>And they'll have to do something along the same lines if they want to have any advancement with rey. That's really the problem with writing a charecter that's "THE BEST EVAR!!!!1!", in order to have any form of progression they have to keep getting more powerful. Very few series have ever been able to have a charecter that begins extremely powerful, and is able to devolp and remain interesting without reaching bullshit levels.
Yeah, basically.
Any example of a Rey-like chracter I can think of is either gets overpowered to the point of it being a running gag, or is in large part just a hollow shell like some renditions of James Bond.
This might be my inner fa/tg/uy talking, but what really bothers me about this reboot, is that the original played out like a really great table top campaign.
Sure the characters got set up with a bit of plot convince by the Force, but generally every one of their actions was their own decision. Everything they did grew organically.
Han didn't want to risk his neck for some princess, but Luke who saw someone crossed like he was, convinced him leaning to his characteristic greed.
Everything plot movement built on who the characters were.
Rey is just an anti-macguffin at this point who wants to get off the ride, but the force/fate keeps her on it against her will.
This shit will probably continue in the sequels with the characters being drawn along on a leash by the plot, and that generally only works in sarcastic parodies.
>>70600015
you mean shit-skin
>>70606024
>This might be my inner fa/tg/uy talking, but what really bothers me about this reboot, is that the original played out like a really great table top campaign.
I'm also a fa/tg/uy, and honestly I think the real problem is the same one that causes problems in the black library horus heresy series: the new triolgy is just to damn close and involves too many important people from the old series that it just makes it impossible to not fuck it up. Like the ideas that people used to have about the primarchs and the emperor which were then shattered by black library basically depicting them all as pants on heads retarded, we already have ideas and an understanding of the characters from the original six movies, and by bringing them back out understanding and the symbolic meaning is disturbed. Luke, for instance, is a the classic hero from monomyth, and by bringing him back disney risks undoing lucas' hard work to depict that.
They should have left it alone, like what Tolkien did when he decided to not write about what happened after lord of the rings and the story of Aragorn's line.
>>70597171
Watched it the other day and really wanted to give it a chance, watched it all and the scenes with Rey and Finn were just cringy. They really drilled it in from the start she was capable of taking care of her self even when offered assistance kept saying she could take care of herself.
She was flawless and came off arrogant. Finn's character from the start built from the ground up, you saw his conflict and could almost feel it too. Then he made his choices, he betrayed those he served with most of his adult life for what he believed what was the right thing to do. He continued to try to do the right thing, even when he got smacked down by Rey on Jakku and coming to the rescue to only find she'd escaped already.
One more thing really bothered me about Rey on Jakku, she had the piloting skills/engineering skills yet never before attempted to steal the Falcon to get of that piece of shit rock?
Everybody in that movie gave a terrible performance other than Harrison Ford and Oscar Isaac
>>70600047
fuck that thing. thats no r2d2. why do they try to do this kind of formulaic shit? "here is the new luke skywalker, notice how much better she is at everything" "here is the new soccer ball r2d2, notice how much better it is at everything" its like studio execs wrote the movie and not actual writers.
>>70606484
>One more thing really bothered me about Rey on Jakku, she had the piloting skills/engineering skills yet never before attempted to steal the Falcon to get of that piece of shit rock?
Not getting off the rock is kind of part of her motivation, but it's still so full of shit.
>Has legendary level engineering skills
>At a scrap yard
>Where there is a scrapyard, there is a market for scraps
>Where there is a market for scraps, there are engineers
>Where there are engineers, there are opportunities for engineers
If she was so damn intent on finding her parents, but didn't want to leave Jakku, why not just go to the nearest space port on her speeder thing, start fixing up ships like she can casually, save up some money and I don't know, pay a freaking bounty hunter or someone to track down information on the ship she remembers, and her parents.
Hell, least she could do is try and buy a beacon or something, so she doesn't need to personally sit in that stop every day.
Yet instead, she chooses to sit in a ditch and do nothing.
>>70597171
Everything. Even the fucking title is shit.
>>70606639
>If she was so damn intent on finding her parents,
When did she ever say this? Rey was waiting for them to come back.
>>70597171
It was literally a remake of ANH, but with none of the wit and charm
I don't think Disney are entirely at fault though, JJ is just an uncreative, talentless hack that has no ideas of his own and can only steal from other movies. He should only have directed it, never been involved in the writing process
>>70606803
Well she didn't say she wanted to find them, but it's pretty clear she wants to meet them bad, if she's willing to put up with Jakku, when another clear opportunity would be for her to get a job as a pilot and get the fuck out of there.
Somehow i doubt (unless the writing is even more shit than I can imagine), that she's literally waiting for them in the sense that she knows for a fact that they'll return, and she's waiting for the eagle to land.
The thing about Star Wars - and this isn't necessarily a bad thing - is that everything is black & white. It's clear who the good guys are. It's clear who the bad guys are. Being good or bad isn't so much a consequence of your actions as it is a state of being.
That being said, I thought The Force Awakens was flawed because it completely bought into this whilst simultaneously playing with it.
Kylo Ren was a boring villain because his whole schtick was being torn between goodness and badness, the light and the dark. But in a world where you're either a freedom fighter or a genocidal fascist, what could be possibly be unsure about?
And then there's Finn, who starts the movie a Stormtrooper, but is disgusted by the Empire, escapes and then earns his redemption. What does he spend the latter half of the movie doing? Shooting stormtroopers without hesitation, even a couple who don't see him coming or raise their weapons against him.
It's just weird things like that that make the film less-than great for me. All these half-baked ideas that don't come through on a thematic level but do create inconsistencies in the plot.
>>70597171
How about that this advanced galactic empire, who have mastered interstellar travel at speeds far exceeding the speed of light, apparently have no means of recording their own history?
In Star Wars, Han says he doesn't believe in Jedi or the "the Force", despite the fact that roughly 20 years earlier - easily within his lifetime - the Jedi were known to exist and were in fact an essential part of the Republican government. If the UN peacekeepers were disbanded tomorrow, they would not have fallen out of all knowledge by 2036. Somebody would probably mention them in historical texts, schoolbooks and the like. And the UN doesn't even HAVE space magic.
Fast forward 30 years, from RotJ to TFA, and - again - somehow all knowledge of the Jedi and fall of the Empire has fallen down a blackhole.
"It's all true" says Han, as if this is some big fucking revelation. Of course it's all true. It happened 30 years ago, literally billions of people are alive who remember it happening. Literally. Billions. There have probably been thousands of books written, or documentaries made or fictional movies made covering these events that DEFINITELY FUCKING HAPPENED.
It's like some grizzled homeless veteran taking me aside and saying "Ya know that Desert Storm thing, boy? It was all true! And that Ronald Reagan? He was real!"
No shit, old man.
>>70607202
You have no sense of scale, faggot. Do you know just how big a galaxy is? How many sentients there must be in the entire Star Wars Galaxy?
>>70607033
I would argue that's like her only flaw in the movie. She's been waiting for them for 14 years. She was naive to think they would be back. Even Maz tells her that truly deep down she knows the truth but chooses to lie to herself.
Jedi were talked about like myths when they were actually alive. I can see how no one believes after they are dead.
>>70607507
>Jedi were talked about like myths when they were actually alive. I can see how no one believes after they are dead.
Who talks about them like they are myths? Two slaves meet some Jedi in TPM, and they are surprised but hardly "OMG yu guys are real!?"
The incredibly racist flying blue jew even casually references the existence of the Jedi. They aren't mythic.
>>70606947
disney is at fault for hiring him. they should have known better after star trek
>>70607507
>Jedi were talked about like myths when they were actually alive
Literally no evidence for this in the prequels at all. None.
Try again.
>>70597593
>Sith Lord
Kylo pls go
>>70607202
>literally billions of people are alive who remember it happening
possibly trillions
and some aliens may well have longer lifespans than humans
>>70600156
>3 > 5 > 6 > 1 > 4 > 2
How can you be so fucking wrong?
4 > 6 > 1 > 5 > 2 > 3 >>>>>> 7
>>70607202
JJ wanted to remake the scene where Ben talks about the Jedi to Luke in ANH, because that was a pretty cool scene and he is a talentless hack.
>>70608080
Wrong
5 > 4 > 3 > 6 > 1 > 7 > 2
>>70597171
We didn't get to see Daisy in any provocative clothing.
>>70608080
>4 > 6 > 1 > 5 > 2 > 3 >>>>>> 7
this is my order, too
>>70597171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHpqcDCLyZ0
>>70608607
fucking bohemians
5>4>6>7>3>1>2
>>70597171
>Find a flaw.
Star The Force Awakens Wars
>>70608694
7 is worse than 1 and 3.
>>70608764
this is what /tv/ believes
>>70608759
flaw has been found
it cant be overstated how much this rey in ep7 and anakin in ep1 ruin star wars. they make being a jedi, an engineer, a pilot, and a hero all look way too easy.. so much so that they manage to trivialize luke and han making them look stupid and incompetent by comparison. any star wars after rotj is shit and dead to me.
V > IV > VII > III > VI >>>>>>>>>> I = II
