![high-sparrow[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zmwMMgy.jpg "high-sparrow[1].jpg")
>8000+ years have gone by
>still in the dark ages
what the fuck
>>70571045
They're apparently locked there because of the lack of some things in the wolrd, like gunpowder. Of course the material is there, but they can't do it for some reason.
But Westeros IS underveloped, other countrys are far more developed in every single way. That's probably because first men were tree loving bros and past andals the country was constantly in some type of war,
Too many atheists around
>>70571045
>winters are several years long
>>70571230
but westeros is besteros and easteros is worsteros
Fucking seriously?
>>70571045
the series is set after a nuclear apocalypse on earth. that's why the seasons are fucked up and magic, giants, dragons and children of the forest exist because of genetic manipulation and nanobots. mark my words.
It's more late middle ages really
>>70571413
This. Everyone would be so much more advanced if everyone accepted the Lord of light as their one and true God
>>70571230
>They're apparently locked there because of the lack of some things in the wolrd, like gunpowder
The night's watch have gunpowder though.
>>70571477
Fuck off Preston
>>70571477
You had me up until nanobots
>>70571230
It also might have something to do with how they banned slaves in Westeros while they're everywhere in the east
>>70571230
Andals were and are nuts.
Only they would run into an extreme desert for fun.
>>70571045
They were advanced at one point. Valyria was basically using some sort of magic-science hybrid to make themselves gods but then a cataclysm happened that they call "the doom" and it wiped them and all their cities off the face of the earth, destroying all the technology they could have shared, or kept, from the rest of the world.
>>70571045
>Not playing Civ on Marathon speed
>>70571477
overhyped show chronology headcanon
breaking bad > (blue sky becomes utopium) > izombie > (zombie apocalypse) > walking dead > (thousands of years) > game of thrones
>>70571550
very original
>>70571550
/f/aggot
>>70571045
It's literally bullshit how backwards their technology is.
But that's not the worst.
What's worst is the complete lack of skillful mages and witches. There are like 2 that are half decent in the entire world.
>>70571045
>not believing anything our lord and saviour Preston "bald autist" Jacobs says
>>70571528
whats wrong with nanobots?
>>70571693
I doubt GRRM would incorporate nanobots
Plus wouldn't the nuclear explosions obliterate any bots
>>70571477
This is the Prince of Thorns theme. Pretty decent fantasy triology.
>years-long winters
How would this work? Most of the rural population in cold areas would die by the end of that first year.
>>70571477
>>70571901
also the premise for Wizards
>>70571045
>That Masonry, Blacksmithing and agriculture
>Dark Ages
nigga, wat
>>70572007
And they do every few generations. That's why the north is so sparsely populated. Only the most useful smallfolk for the nobles could hide in castles and towns with some provisions.
![tumblr_static_362ud0j7bo00c4840s4gko4kw[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/PrFoUZX.png "tumblr_static_362ud0j7bo00c4840s4gko4kw[1].png")
>>70571230
oh hai reddit!
I just refuse to believe winter is that bad.
dargons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDdKmx0PW7s
>>70572297
It's not like that image of Pepe drinking hot cocoa inside a Heated Wooden Hut
It's death everywhere
>>70572007
special seasons > special fauna. this exists on earth too you know, they dont have the standard 4 season cycle everywhere
>>70572007
that shit actually happened during the late middle ages, google the little ice age
also keep in mind that Valyrians were actually advanced as fuck before their doom, like the real world example of Rome where progress pretty much degraded after the Western part of the empire fell
>>70571045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDdKmx0PW7s
this is a nice explanation
>>70572402
>It's death everywhere
Bullshit even in middle ages winter did not wipe out entire populations. Sure it's bad maybe for the first year or two but they'll adapt.
And shit people act like Winter lasts 50 years or some shit. Max is like 5. They are in one of the longest summers ever now and it's only been about 10 years of it.
Dragons will do that
>>70572606
How exactly? What do Dragons have against medicine?
>>70572297
it lasts for years not months. imagine how many would die if we didn't get a summer every year for growing crops
>>70571477
>game of thrones is literally a Fallout/Elder Scrolls crossover
>>70571497
where does it say that?
>>70572810
Crops? There are about 10 farmers in all of Westeros. Sure it lasts years but nope, they act like it's the black death but it's just winter. Things get a little cold. You still have fire and houses and can still make food.
>>70571477
How long does it took us to reach current level of progress? Our specie've been on earth for 40k years now.
>>70573020
nice 0
>>70572916
roll
>>70572899
crops dont grow under snow.
10 farmers? are you retarded
i love game of thrones haha stark lannis lol!
but actually we should just not post on this racist shitlord forum and stay on reddit the discussion is way better
>>70573082
Anything on reddit is better than this shitposting
>>70571634
Magic disappeared from the world when the dragons died out.
>>70573072
>crops dont grow under snow.
Some do actually. You can grow corn in snow. And all sorts of grass.
>>70573020
btfo
>>70572916
>>70572916
rowling
>>70571634
there are a few more people who have studied magic but have no idea it suddenly works now as opposed to when they studied it such as maester luwin tho he is dead of course
>>70573188
enough to feed all the already malnourished peasants?
>>70571045
What's so unusual about that? No, I mean really, we live in an era of unsurpassed technological advancement that began, roughly, with James Watt's steam engine. But that was less than 300 years ago. The oldest cities in the world, such as Jericho in the West Bank, have been there for nearly 9000 years, and you would probably see little visible difference if you were to be able to go back to the very beginning and skip forward 1000 years at a time - until the most recent jump. You've been conditioned to be used to rapid growth and advancement, but that's really a very unusual circumstance in human history.
>>70573017
we don't have 40k years of recorded history and civilization though
>>70573258
Fuck peasants, nobody cares about peasants. Wildlings are numerous and in winter all year they survive.
>>70571045
That's why the maesters poisoned the dragons. It's because they're tied to magic and magic has retarded Westeros' progress both technologically and politically. "The world the maesters are building has no place for dragons."
>>70571045
It's not in the fucking dark ages. The technology is from the 15th century and places like Bravos have renaissance things like banking and literature.
>>70572916
Rolling
>>70573316
Neither have westerosi people.
>>70573330
and humans hunted mammoths once, if we were plunged into an iceage where the ice covered all the way south to Spain would you survive? would civilisation?
they breed like rabbits during spring and summer and most die off during winter
Does it snow in Dorne/Reach?
>>70573311
Advancement is exponential, m8.
Dark Ages - Medieval - Renaissance did feature very significant change, most tellingly in agriculture, construction, naval advancement and forging, but the changes were usually slow to implement due to limited travel, communication and transport.
For example, compare Harold Godwinson's armour to that of Henry VIII.
Point is that the dark ages are the only time in history which featured true stagnation/regression, and even that is a leery claim.
>>70573484
>would civilisation?
Of course. Humans survived the Ice Age.
>>70571682
He's a crazy mother fucker, but he's the only one bringing anything new (and entertaining) to the game of thrones discussion.
>>70573020
Arya is good enough I guess
>>70573031
Thanks
>>70573386
that and dragons are military power and the maesters prefer to control from behind the scenes. its why they also got rid of all the Targs and tried to join all the major houses through marriage except the Targs leading to Roberts rebellion
>>70572916
slag
>>70572916
just
Wasn't there a Nerd Writer video on this?
I mean, I don't like the nerd writers videos, but I feel like I've seen this discussed elsewhere recently but I can't put my finger on where.
>>70573537
thats the species not their civilisations. if all of europe and north america was under ice no more West i.e our civilisation = dead
You guys keep saying dragons and magic held progress back but there are no good magicians left at all.
>>70573560
Why the fuck did I get another 0. Rerrolling again.
>>70573518
no but it gets colder, in season 1 Robert even says the north gets summer snows
>>70573638
magic died with the last of the dragons and came back start of season 2 with Danny's dragons
>>70573749
>magic died with the last of the dragons
That's just stupid.
>>70573777
agreed, but maybe fatman will come up with a satisfactory explanation for this.
yea nah hes gonna keel over before he even finishes the next book.
>>70573777
thats what the books & show said. it is after allfantasy
Its high noon baby
its a fucking fantasy show you nerds. stop expecting it to make sense
>>70573684
So why doesn't everyone from the north migrates to Dorne so they don't starve or freeze to death?
Long winters + Dragons = No progress.
>>70573863
Fuck right off
>>70571477
hai der anonimus postah
i name is dabid benyiof an i be writah game of frones hit tv seryeis
ur idees r very intraguing 2 me n i wuld liek 2 maek u hed writah
>>70571045
It's probably because they're in a repeating pattern a la the matrix. The white walkers are the machines and they cut down the human race, back off, allow them to prosper and rinse and repeat.
![1-bluemarble_west[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/J3Hpx59.jpg "1-bluemarble_west[1].jpg")
>5 billion years have gone by
>still no FTL travel
what the fuck, Terrans?
>>70571535
Slavery actually holds development back. You don't need to think about work that much if there are people doing it for you for free. As you have to do something hard yourself or need to pay someone for that, then you start thinking hard to make it easier and faster
>>70571477
This show had that exact theme
Humans and elves fight orcs and demons in burned out modern ruins was way lamer than it sounds in text, too.
>>70574033
Muslims = no progress
>>70572063
don't forget shannarra
>>70574005
Actually this kinda makes sense. The reason summer was so long was because craster was feeding the walkers fresh babies
>2016
>still in a complete and utter age of ignorance while the computer, the Earth's current largest library ever, exists and is basically able to be used by 95% of the people on the planet
>even our leaders are still largely corrupt, selfish ignoramuses who react rather than act and kill rather than solve
literally gay
>>70573884
why doesn't everyone from africa/mexico migrate to europe/america.... there is such a thing as culture Dorne isn't The North and even if they did dont you think someone would try to stop them, say at the neck? assuming they could gather the food needed to travel instead of digging in and hoping for the best
Because Westeros is actually Hell
>>70574243
Well, they should at least try, I mean, it's at least ten fookin years of winter, I doubt that peasants would have a worse life down south.
>>70574292
It does take place inside the earth/eye of mukumba so maybe.
>>70574118
Because it's supposed to be a 1000 years since the apocalypse but everything looks like it was only 50 years later.
Oh well, at least we got to see Amberlye and Eretria mostly nude.
>>70573636
yeah... not if it happened semi-regularly like every 20-30 years. I mean at our current level of technology obviously.
>>70571387
1:15 "You're a big guy"
Confirmed for master plan.
>>70571230
>the lack of some things in the wolrd, like gunpowder.
and somehow boats are described as having gunwhales even if they have no cannons. What the fuck GRR.
>>70571497
They have tar and other flammable shit you drop from rafters.
>>70574206
our brain architecture hasn't caught up with technological development, and probably never will because we're going to end up living in shitty tribes again within a few hundred years.
>>70571477
I T F I T S
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>>70574740
>gunwhales even if they have no cannons
crossbow+harpoon?
or
gunwhale:
he upper edge or planking of the side of a boat or ship
>>70572694
Their semen
>>70571045
This is the reason OP pic related
>>70572916
i'm a solid 5 tbqh
>>70575030
Its nice to see someone take the Ironbron pill!
>>70571477
>it's a "it's actually the nuclear apocalypse" fan theory episode
>>70574033
We have only been here for about 100 000 years, fucking ayys.
>>70571045
I wondered this myself. Even without oil they should be some crazy steam powered civilization by now.
>>70573525
Sure, but exponential progress means that progress is slow until it hits critical mass.
if you read into what was going on 4000 BC - 500 BC, plenty was happening, but the technological progress was almost imperceptible by modern standards. (Incidentally, the dark ages weren't the only period of regression. look up the aftermath of the bronze age)
>>70575499
30,000 actually for homo sapiens sapiens
Our recorded civilisation only began in 6500 BC. The middle ages that GoT equates to was late 1400s. So it lines up pretty well with our real world history. What's the problem here exactly?
>>70571045
maybe it has something to do with the fucking winter and the army of cold dead
>>70576207
No. The Earth has only been around for 6k~ or so years. Not sure why you get duped by liberal scientists into falling for this shit.
>>70576255
thats what i was gonna say. Modern humans are 200,000 years old. We just had swords and shit in recent history
>>70576255
first men were stone age and aldals were iron
"According to the True History, it occurred four thousand years ago, and some maesters claim it was only two thousand years ago."
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Andals
so yep it fits pretty much
>>70573017
It's not a question of time so much as a question of economic and social systems. Industrial capitalism is really fucking OP when it comes to innovation.
>>70571901
>Pretty decent fantasy triology.
It's complete garbage with no substance
>>70574138
>shannarra
Weak LOTR clone
Fantasy never progresses, be it games (Dark Souls) or movies (LotR)
Thousands/hundreds of thousands of years go by and no industry ever materialises. When something does, like with LotR, it's evil and shit because muh industry is bad.
>>70576994
It does in MistbornIt didn't in era 1 only because the lord ruler actively banned any research and killed people
>>70571045
The whole "why are they still in the dark ages" question doesn't make sense. We only have one planet as a frame of reference for technological development. If we had a sample size of say a thousand planets it's possible that in comparison we just developed far faster than the norm. Technological progress is not a permanent march forward with nothing stopping it.
>>70571634
That kind of vague magic is what keeps things a bit interesting, fuck you and your childlish fixations with Harry potter.
>>70571045
How has this thread been up for three hours and nobody has pointed out the obvious flaw in OP's premise?
Humanity was around for hundreds of thousands of years before we ever moved to post-medieval technology
>>70571634
>What's worst is the complete lack of skillful mages and witches.
That's in fact the best thing about it. Too much magic just breaks the plot. Gandalf wasn't exactly shooting fireballs out his ass either.
>>70573330
This just proves the fact that the harsher the weather is, the more uncivilized.
>>70571477
>magic, giants, dragons and children of the forest exist because of genetic manipulation and nanobots
Been there, done that.
https://youtu.be/LhAobPugvsk
>>70577463
>all continents are connected to each other
>big lakes left and right
>barely any islands
>have 1 big ol' desert in the middle of nowhere
>2icy4me
0/10 would not explore
>>70574695
if Trump replied "for you" /pol/ and /tv/ would go nuts
>>70571693
THEY'RE BATSHIT INSAAANE
>>70571477
>It's another Preston spouts shit episode
>>70573401
>Literature
>15th century
Read a book nigger. No. actually read a fucking book.
>>70571045
>winter
It can last for decades.
>>70574337
McCumber* - Old Nan isn't a Summer Islander you dipshit
>>70573525
Objectively wrong.
The middle time (dark age) was actually a time of true scientific advancement, you can check it out. It is common misconception that Rinascimento was a time of great discoveries, while only arts made true progresses in that time.
Also, a good theory of why I&F world is stuck in time is given by the nerdwriter1 on youtube.
>>70571045
Considering winters can last for years, I'm surprised civilization exists at all.
>>70582170
Also, human advancement and history is so influenced by luck you cant even imagine until you major in history.
WWI and II where a clusterfuck of coincedence so that "the good" could win. "The bad guys" where so close to it so many times too.
Simply enough, in I&F they were less lucky than us, and you seem to be picking on them.
Somewhere in the Universe, there is a race which in less time than us achieved more. Maybe they are already immortal, time travelling, light outspeeding Gods to us.
Moral of the story, stop being autistic, I just woke up.
Its the Maesters. They're purposely holding back civilization for their own gains.
>>70582420
jared Diamond please go, your shitposting is not wanted here.
>>70582589
Im going now, I have a life to live.
Hope you learned something tho, and I didnt write so mo much for nothing.
>>70571045
> implying that isn't normal
> implying magic n shit makes it any easier
> wanting to leave the dark ages when u might become a dragon rider
>>70571045
> no magnets in game of thrones
> no lightning storms
>>70571477
This is pulled almost entirely from that one MTV adapted the Shannarra Chronicles, with that hotass grownup waifu (fuck she aged well and looks great in leather) from that Del Torro flick with the little girl.
>post-nuclear apocalypse
>magic exists
>magical creatures exist
>gun powder is extinct/close to it
>no modern forms of production have survived
>no one remembers shit, reallyIn the book, basically the earth is seconds away from annihilation by nuclear war and someone hits a switch that for whatever reason changes nuclear shit into magical shit. The most powerful explosion at the time they hit it turns into the most powerful demon or whatever, and so on.
I've seen this theory plenty of times, and it just doesn't make sense in GoT. They're an entirely different planet/galaxy/universe what have you(I'd guess planet cause it does seem like Gurm is implying they're very similar, but maybe just an alternate dimension earth). The doom of Valyria can't even be compared to what we can do now, if history is to be believed (don't get me started on that Maester shit) they sunk an entire fucking landmass in a super short time in a horrible catastrophe.
>>70572570
>Even in the middle ages
This isn't the middle ages of Earth you fucking retard. ASOFAI is not a historic text.
>>70571045
The only reason for this that ever makes a lick of sense is when magic and wizards are commonplace.
In Westeros? It's literally just because many writers have no sense of scale.
I mean you mean to tell me that thousands and thousands of years have gone by, with winters lasting years at a time and nobody ever invented a fucking radiator?
>>70582170
>nerdwriter1 on youtube
everything you said is made invalid
>>70582420
>human advancement and history is so influenced by luck
sure thing, tyrone
>>70577529
>hundreds of thousands of years
Don't you read the Bible? It's only been 6000 years.
>Game Of Thrones is literally a "game". In otherwords its a boardgame with different factions (players) vying for control. The ultimate evil is the white walkers and that is the ultimate objective for the players to win.
>Don't you see? All those castles and shit they're all set pieces. This explains the intro scene of the show. They're literally showing us a boardgame, the castles are being built by grubby neet hands, and the sun is the lamp in Jimmy's basement.
>At the end of Season 7 when everything is lost and the white walkers btfo everyone there'll be a cut to black to a wide shot of a group of /got/ fags huddled around a poker table breathing heavily and stinking of cheetoh dust.
>THIS WILL HAPPEN
>GRRM is a fat autist and he'll be paying homage to his orignial fans
>inb4 preston jacobs fuck off
>girl goes back to jaqen after killing arya
>''a girl killed arya stark''
>''well done''
>removes face
>arya starks face
MIND BLOWN
>>70583542
This isn't the general thread you fucking idiot
>>70582420
>WWI and II where a clusterfuck of coincedence so that "the good" could win. "The bad guys" where so close to it so many times too.
Coincidences? Specialized scientific research for military purposes is now called coincidence?
You are not retarded, just misinformed. Why do you think after WWII Germany was split in East and West? There were a number of research facilities hidden, they just didn't know were they were, many scientists defected to both sides, industrial workers gave details on their jobs, that's why the US and USSR became the world powers afterwards.
Come on, you can do better than that. Are there lucky breakthroughs? Sure, everybody knows Viagra came from research on high blood pressure medicine with boners as a side effect, just to give an example of it. ALL knowledge comes from lucky ones? Bullshit.
>>70582842
I know the show is pretty much ENTIRELY separate now, but there were thunderstorms on both I think... doesn't that include lightning?
>>70582584
Don't think so. Or at least, it's just implied, maybe WoW will give us more on the citadel, but there are certainly political figures in it.
I always thought of them as a reference to the scientific work on monasteries, which happened because they were the only ones at the time that had scholars or a form of an formal education network.
>>70583183
>radiators
I always thought that was weird. I mean, that's literally Winterfell's claim to power (at least originally). Being the most empowered house of the north, and that being their one real claim (outside of house name/viciousness) you'd think that they'd have found a way to use it in a more efficient way by using something like radiators or boilers.
But no, everyone's still cutting wood day in and day out to stoke the fires for shitty-ass fireplaces.
>>70582842
> no lightning storms
House Dondarrion sigil
>A forked purple lightning bolt, on black field speckled with four-pointed stars
>>70571045
>still in the dark ages
>doesn't know what the 'dark ages' were
>>70571045
>religions
>>70584707
No need for radiators when your old firewood burning warms you nicely.
Besides it's freezing cold for years apart, everybody forgets how cold shit can become, people have spent their entire lives not knowing what winter feels like.
>oh sweet summer child
>>70582902
>This is pulled almost entirely from that one MTV adapted the Shannarra Chronicles
Wow really? I'm glad I didn't bother watching that shit if they went that far away from the source material.
>>70584864
>No need for radiators when your old firewood burning warms you nicely
Yeah that must be why we never invented them too, huh?
>>70573248
>ywn see him raised from the dead and owning everyone with his mad knowledge
>ywn see him surrounded on all sides by wrights and walkers and ice spiders, being engulfed until a hugeass explosion happens and he's left standing in the middke in a Goku pose
>he will never reforge his valyrian chain into a shank and kill everyone and everything Faceless Man style
Why even fucking live.
>>70574788
>our brain architecture hasn't caught up with technology
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
>>70584964
ok fuck you, you got me there.
What I meant was that they currently don't have an incentive for innovation. The lack of a proper formal education structure really slows down progress.
>>70574446
oh, i didn't know bethesda did tv as well as games.
>>70571472
>worsteros
>not leasteros
come on now
>>70571230
Westeros looks like something in the 13th - 16th centuries. Essos more or less looks like its stuck in the early iron age. Probably because Valeriah or whatever fell, and they relied on dragons and magic.
While Essos is richer, its hard to say its more developed.
>>70573248
>glass candles / highest up maesters in oldtowne
>>70574206
yeah and most people are so dependent on their computers and technology if it doesn't work for a day they can't do shit let alone survive if something bad actually happened like no electricity for an extended period of time
technology is just technology human nature will never change
>>70577529
Humanity? Or upright walking primates? Get it right, because it's not 'hundreds'. Maybe 50-60 thousand to as late as 100, if you believe that sort of science. Don't misquote and spew shit.
Also, the bible
>>70584964
things get forgotten when you don't use em or need em. see how many fucking people here could survive a week outdoors with a knife and some matches
>>70584918
You do know that Shannara was post-apocalyptic all along, right? Even in the books.
>>70571045
From what I've seen, there doesn't seem to be much of the anti-intellectualism which marked the Dark Ages, just call it the Middle Ages
Also, civilization has probably been reset at some point. Chances are we'll learn more about it
Braavos seems comfy af desu. It seems like they have a renaissance thing going on. Freedom of religion, no slavery, republic, chill people, oysters, clams, and cockles.
>>70571413
Yep
You need the Holy wars and single minded pursuit to create better tech.
Atheism is ultimately decadent, as the "elite" that do shit are not enough.
>>70574033
FTL is impossible
Unless there is a Star Trek style non interference policy that aliens follow.
Unless we are the first civilization to make it this far. Someone has to be first.
>>70571230
There is no China in this setting to push technology forward.
>>70587428
I like the whole "anti-intellectualism" meme of the Dark Ages
Whilst some aspects were lagging behind due to religious adherence, others such as warfare greatly improved
The Roman Empire would have been steamrolled by Dark Age armies.
>>70571045
>>70577529
If you believe Graham Hancock humanity developed way earlier than 10,000 and in fact had a "Doom of Valyria" like eventcomet crash lul
>>70588473
Wasn't it when the Holy Roman Empire fell at the hands of heathen barbarians that the Dark Ages started?
>>70588545
Yes
It's pretty much Roman-wanking that makes it seem like the "Dark Ages" were bad
People in the Dark Ages got shit done without sitting around and pondering sand in hourglasses
>>70573808
magic did not die with the dragons as blood magic and shadow magic were working just fine before dany hatched her dragons
dragons just seem to boost magic overall, especially fire magic
>>70571477
does Adventure Time come before, or after GoT?
>>70588471
>China
Nice meme there
They were backwards compared to European countries in regards to a homogeneous organization that wasn't fighting itself, but others
Except for le blackpowder; they didn't utilize it as an effective weapon
>>70588545
HRE is completely different to the Roman Empire and came after the Dark Ages. But you've got the right idea. The Western Empire fell (centred in Rome) and the Dark Ages started
>>70588429
This FTL is something made up by scfi autist. The only way to travel long distances across space is to take short cuts through literal hell.The warp hungers
Probably because there are no ancient original human melinated black kangs and sheeit for the white man to steal his inventions from.
>>70572307
This was very interesting thank you for posting it.,
>>70571230
> the country was constantly in some type of war,
But war is the biggest drive of development, see Europe.
>>70571497
and the Maesters have LEDs.
>>70588545
Not just that but it was mostly monks that salvaged knowledge and helped make sure it survived the times
>>70577463
Damn. really makes me think.
>>70588471
There is though, it's called Yi Ti.
There's no far away land with natives and gold to plunder so no need for technological advances, no economic boom, etc.
>>70571045
There was an advanced civ in their world. It was called Valyria. They were a very powerful and highly sophisticated magi-tech empire. Then they exploded. The world you see now is a few centuries later with humanity trying to put the pieces back together.
>>70572916
lady bear :(
>>70572507
>where progress pretty much degraded after the Western part of the empire fell
this is a myth
You retards realize that the "Dark Ages" were the period from the fall of Rome in 476 AD until the first Crusade, right?
>>70571545
>Only they would run into an extreme desert for fun.
What did you mean by this?
>>70591424
You're talking to people educated by movies, TV and the Internet. They think it was until the Enlightment.
>>70588827
Did they ever release a cut with the hell footage in it? I still really like that movie, but the ending really shits the bed.
>>70588685
> to a homogeneous organization that wasn't fighting itself, but others
you realise the whole of china is bigger than europe right? they had a bunch of chinese nations all vying for power before unification happened. Thats like asking why didnt europe unite into one when china did it 1400? years ago
>>70591424
You know the "Dark Ages" are a pop culture myth right?
>>70591424
Well it's hotly debated to say when the dark ages truly began.
The Eastern Roman empire (or byzantine empire) remained until 1400's and still produced culture/technology progress up to that point.
>>70573330
>>70572899
>>70572297
What are you lads on about. ASoIaF winters are not just a bit of cold here and there. The shit the wildlings deal with is nothing compared to winter, that is just a snowy summer.
During winter there is no sun. The environment north of wall is what it looks like down at Dorne during winter.
There is fuck all north of the riverlands in winter. The people of the north migrate south or if they cannot they huddle in their homes and try not to starve or freeze to death before winter ends. As time goes by the older generations go out "for a walk" and never return.
>>70591835
it wasn't a myth originally invented by pop culture, but it is outdated historiography that's perpetuated by pop culture
>>70591918
Every 5 years the north just abandons itself, heads south and then they return? For what? Stop being a tit.
If I want to learn history whats the best source to start with
>>70573884
>>70573518
It does snow during winter. I am guessing this poster >>70573684 did not realise you meant during winter and thought you meant during summer.
Only the north gets snow during summer.
>>70592016
Read a book, faggot.
>>70591897
The Byzantine Empire stagnated for years after the Gothic Wars and following plagues, then it got fucked up by centuries of wars against the Persians and the Muslims. When it started to seem like they would enjoy a period of peace of prosperity by the year 1000 AD, they got involved in other devastating wars against the Rus', the Seljuk Turks and the Bulgarians.
There was never a "Pax Bizantina".
They never really had a chance to shine.
>>70571230
Yurop has been in a constant war ever since the Roman Republic yet we managed
>>70592069
Which one?
http://www.tor.com/2011/05/04/how-seasons-qworkq-in-a-song-of-ice-and-fire/
>>70571045
They are inside a Dyson sphere that is slowly becoming unstable, hense the seasons.
The technological stagnation of the defendants of the human colonists is because of this.
>>70573072
I don't care about snow. Give me 20 good farmers
>>70571230
The highly irregular seasons and long periods of harsh winter probably have a lot to do with it.
Though I would presume a massive problem like that would drive development to respond to it. You could argue that the constant fear of the onset of an unpredictable winter would drive down specialization because everyone is in a constant state of either winter survival mode or preparing for winter, but the evidence of massive wealth and specialized classes are abundant.
>>70592016
Have you seen the size of the North? Look at this map. By landmass it is about as big as the rest of the seven kingdoms combined.
Now consider Winterfell. It is a tiny podunk town with about a hundred people living there. That is the wonderful capital city of this huge landmass.
More people die in Bravos in a day than die in the North during the whole of winter.
>>70588651
before obviously, finn and jake Do live in a weirwood.
>>70592269
>mfw this explains the opening credits
>>70579604
i would have happily donated my life savings to trump's campaign if he did that.
>>70588584
I hope you're not obfuscating Rome with ancient Greece because Rome was not particularly philosophical.
Mainly their contributions were martial, administrative, and religious after Christianity became the official state religion.
>>70571472
>Easteros
It's called Essos, pled.
>>70593437
No, my dad is from Northendo and he said it's called Easteros.
>>70592269
>>70574332
Maybe the Dornish aren't cucks like real life Europeans and wouldn't let that many refugees into their country
>>70571045
We have cultures and countries that haven't developed for thousand of years in our own world. Why is this such an issue?
>>70571045
What is Africa?
>>70571045
You should read a real book sometime in order to learn that 'progress' does not have a set pace.
>>70571045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDdKmx0PW7s
>>70592028
your local library
>>70572307
The historical reasoning behind his argument is completely wrong.
OP here.
Can't believe this thread survived so long. It was a big shitpost.
>>70592738
>>70574446
>Eretria mostly nude.
what ep?
>>70592269
this
exactly
>>70572570
>only 2 seasons of the year exist
>>70571045
Westeros
>Have magic and nude bitches everywhere
Us
>have tech and shit but we use it just to make a dick hard
I pref to live in Westeros or return to the midle ages, simple life
>>70596961
>ywn live in a comfy castle in the Riverlands with your qt Roslin wife
why even live
>>70596961
> get cold
> die at the ripe age of 7
>>70571045
There's a pretty simple answer to this.
Westeros suffers from catastrophic winters at irregular intervals, but roughly let's say every four years. These winters kill off a considerable chunk of the population - the only people who can be fairly assured of survival are the lords, i.e. those that stand directly to lose from upheaval in the political system, hence the survival of feudalism.
As for technological advancement, the winters create a massive food problem - hence the vast majority of Westerosi resources are being poured into the production and storage of food (something that seems actually to be pretty sophisticated), and all this to produce an economy that, it appears, is only operating slightly above subsistence.
Evidently then, this is not an environment in which technological development will thrive, the winters making Westeros quite literally 'frozen in time'
>>70597009
kinda.. but you also have like 80% chance to go on a rape/murder spree and never get caught.
>>70588473
I call bullshit
>>70597093
Maybe if you're part of an invading army or a lord or whatever
If you're just some random dude you'd probably get caught and sent to the wall
If you have the money you could just go east and buy a slave instead
>>70572569
This. This is what explains it.
>>70596997
All Freys need to skinned to the bone and then fed to the dogs
>A division of marines accidentally travel to Westeros via a mad scientist.
>The typical size of a division is about 19,000 men. They are armed with your M4s machineguns, mortars, vehicles, and the latest gadgets in military hardware. However they are not self sufficient, ammo is finite, and gas is impossible to find.
As soon as they arrive, they begin entrenching themselves, setting up their position/perimeter, etc.
>The division sends out a small reconnaissance party to scout the area. Turns out they're in the center of Westeros: The Riverlands
>They're in some deep shit. ACOK is going on right now and all the major houses have fielded their armies. Madness and stupidity is everywhere.
>The scouting party stumbles upon a Lannister army 50,000 strong led by Lord Paramount Tywin Lannister of Casterly Rock.
>The scouting party quietly returns back to the camp. The acting commander decides to fuck up the Lannister army. He marches onto them at Oxcross. Lannisters are quickly fucked into pieces. Tywin is captured.
>But suddenly Robb arrives with his army. He sees the marines and thinks that they are lannister. He charges.
>Who wins? Westeros or Marines?
>Meanwhile Robb Stark is marching onto the
>King Tommen Barat
because of dragons. you don't need cannons when you got a huge, flying, reptilian flamethrower. besides, the targs used wildfire instead of dragons when the "last" dragons died out.
>>70572297
>>70572402
>>70572570
>>70583154
winter isn't that bad you dumb cucks. Even if it lasts for 10 years, the summer and autumn that lasts for ages means that you can gather shitloads of food and preserve it for the winter. winter in that time would just be feeding animals for 10 minutes, maybe repairing a fence and shoveling snow and getting water, a few hours of hunting and shitloads of free time.
the peasants aren't dumb, they know how to store food and hunt for animals.
>>70597311
leave my freyfu alone!
>>70577463
>>70590154
That's right, technological progress is not really a result of human civilization, but of a subset of Western Civilization.
>>70571045
Fiction
>>70577463
btw, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge is in the wrong spot.
>>70571045
Dorne is the fucking winner.
Who cares about cold old castles?
