Time for a comfy Tolkien thread
Where now the horse and the rider?
Just finished watching the appendices, worth a watch for sure. Can't believe I hadn't seen it before
Does anyone have any experience browsing reddit? I mean all the subreddits. what kind of people lay there? what is culture like?
>>70191297
Never seen - what stood out for you?
>Theoden's final charge at Helm's Deep
>Gandalf/Eomer driving into the uruk's flank
>Faramir's doomed assault on Osgiliath while Pippin sings
>Gandalf riding out alone to drive off the Nazgul as the soldiers flee for Minas Tirith
>"Gondor calls for aid!" "...and Rohan will answer."
>last charge of the Rohirrim at Minas Tirith
>turning, reforming the line, and meeting the mumakil head-on
>"There may come a day when the courage of men fails. When we forsake our oaths and break all bonds of fellowship. But it is NOT. THIS. DAY."
>Aragorn's lone charge at the Black Gate
The most epic moments I've ever seen on film, using "epic" in the most literal sense.
OLD
WHITE
How they screwed up the hobbit so much is beyond me
>>70194948
MAN
>>70194998
Greed makes people stupid.
>>70194998
>>70195241
It wasn't his fault. After Del Toro left and he came onto the project, he basically had 6 months of pre-production compared to 3 years for the LOTR trilogy
Everyone in this thread should watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQkygZdZ_Vk
>>70194998
Jackson had no desire to make the movies, but I think he stepped in when Del Toro left because he knew anyone else would completely destroy it. As such, we got a half-decent first film, a mostly forgettable second, and an absolute abortion for the third. I believe Jackson wanted to make it a two parter, but of course the studio wanted a trilogy.
>>70195317
Watched it - wasn't blaming the fat kiwi turd, was blaming the studio. But, at the end of the day, he took on the responsibility and he fumbled it by churning out garbage instead of standing up to the execs.
Plus weta was just resting on their laurels - King Kong showed them already losing creative steam.
>>70195457
To be honest, I'm glad he did what he did. There are 10/10 fan edits out there because he shot so much. If you trim the extended editions down, you can certainly get a great 4 hour hobbit film out of it.
Also in case you never saw BotFA extended, here's the funeral scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4cdvcKH_ng
>>70195722
Also here's an edited version with Gandalf's eulogy
https://vimeo.com/146974882
>>70195722
is is just me or did they fuck up the filter even worse than in theatrical release?
>>70190388
how do these gates move???
>>70194813
I'm so glad they didn't go with the ending where Aragorn fights Morgoth/Sauron.
The studios wanted a "final battle" for Aragorn and Peter fought them on it.
>>70195968
They're not gates.
>>70195722
>10/10 fan edits
Care to recommend one?
>>70196227
>The studios wanted a "final battle" for Aragorn and Peter fought them on it.
I don't think that was the studio. But Jackson did end up realizing what a stupid idea it was and that it turned Aragorn's suicidal sacrifice to buy Frodo some time into a 1v1 fight with the final boss.
>>70196227
Noomi is such a cutie in this movie
>>70194813
>But it is NOT. THIS. DAY."
That's not how he said it
>>70196227
I agree, though I heard they discussed having him fight the Mouth of Sauron instead of the troll, which would have been so fucking great. The Mouth's scene is awesome and all, but he's such a wicked character, I wanted to see more of him.
>>70195722
I'd love to see a good edit. I watched all three in theatres, but I was quite disappointed and didn't bother buying the extended versions.
Anyone else still have this?
I don't even like the Hobbit movies that much, but I'd love to buy a blu ray set of all six Hobbit/LotR extended editions, if the packaging was like that.
>>70196745
youtube.com/watch?v=EXGUNvIFTQw
0:42. "...but it is NOT. THIS. DAY. This day we fight!"
>>70196780
The troll was easier since they just had replace Sauron in the footage they shot of Aragorn fighting him with a cgi troll. I don't think the mouth is really meant to be a fighter.
>>70196914
I do own the LotR ones, best hundred bucks I've ever spent.
The packaging for the Hobbit ones are nearly the same, though I've only seen them in stores.
>>70195317
Holy shit you can see how much stress Jackson is under. Looks completely burned out.
There will never be another fantasy epic as great as LOTR ever.
Any future script will have been poisoned by political correctness. They will never be able to pull together a cast that is as dedicated to the material as this one.
>there are people ITT that think ROTK is better than The Fellowship
>>70197595
May Eru help them!
>>70196405
>>70195722
Quick google search brought up this. 4 hour version.
https://tolkieneditor.wordpress.com/
Anyone give this a watch?
I'm currently reading the books (halfway through two towers) and look forward to rewatching the films, which I have not seen in years.
>>70197595
Fellowship is one of the comfiest movies ever made. It's easily the best of the three. The entire Mines of Moria sequence is one of the greatest ever filmed, in my opinion. Fuck man, that movie's got it all.
>>70197511
It was the perfect storm, anon. A top to bottom unreal cast, flawless book to screenplay adaptation, costume and set designers that obviously knew and cherished the source material, shooting the closest thing to "on location in middle-earth" as possible, and of course, a director insane and ambitious enough to pull it all together.
The perfect storm - and we got to watch it play out on the big screen. This must be how greybeards feel about getting to watch the original Star Wars trilogy as kids.
I'm going to post a few LOTR images
>>70197799
No idea what edits are worth my time. All I know is that I watched the extended and I easily saw potential in something amazing.
Lads what does elf cunny taste like
>>70198369
I was just thinking I wanted to watch the Fellowship again, but I probably wouldn't even watch the other two.
Last time I tried to watch all three I ended up watching TF and TTT but before I could finish the trilogy for the hundredth time I watched something else in my backlog and never got around to ROTK
>>70198369
OH, kid - sounds like you may be right. If you feel for lotr as we feel for star wars, then you are indeed blessed.
(Felt - disney done killed it.)
>>70194998
I reread The Hobbit twice and listened to the top tier audiobook when the movie was announced.
So... much... disappointment...
A reminder that Tolkien was BTFO by based fatman
>Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
>>70198613
>implying George Lucas didn't kill it himself and Disney revived the franchise
Am I speaking to someone from some twisted parallel reality?
>>70198812
Tolkien wasn't about any of that shit though. He just wanted to make his own ancient mythology. This is like asking what Beowulfs tax policy was. It doesnt matter, thats not the point.
>>70198448
The sweetest rosewater
>>70198812
lmao george martin is nothing but a fat pervert who writes erotic beach-reads
>tfw reading the books
>lose interest around the end of two towers
The fellowship was very comfy. I prefer the parts where they're in hobbit territory.
>>70198812
>what was Aragorn's tax policy
How the fuck did this man get a book published?
>>70198812
GRRM please go
>>70198812
Aragorn wasn't just morally good, he was wise but also savvy, powerful, and had the authority required to rule. These kinds of rulers do pop up from time to time, even in real life see: Charlemagne. Tolkien never implies that Aragorn's rule is without bumps along the way.
Best race? Best race.
>>70198613
I really liked Force Awakens, but I think part of it is because I had the prequels coming out while I grew up. FA tried a little too hard to be A New Hope, but I think episode 8 will take things in a fresh direction.
Lord of the Rings was more than just the movies to me, though. My dad got me into the books as a kid, and we went to see all three movies together multiple times, so it's a mix of good movies and good memories.
lotr loremaster here
ask me anything
>>70199085
You're too pure for this board senpai.
>>70199086
Who would win an armwrestling match, Fingolfin or Aragorn? Feanor or Beren?
>>70199034
>you'll never drink ent draught
>>70198904
Keep pushing, man. End of Two Towers is where the books start reading like a sweeping historical account of magnificent battles between massive armies.
I'm reading A Song of Ice and Fire for the first time right now, but I'm definitely going to burn through The Hobbit/LotR afterwards.
>>70199166
Fingfolin went max dex so Aragorn would win. Feanor would design and build a magic arm wrestling table that always lets him win.
>>70199086
what is tom bombadil iyo
>>70198892
>image for hobbits
>>70198812
A reminder that A Song of Ice and Fire is so shit that even Martin's bored with it.
>>70198812
This is dumb. If the main motivation in your plot choices is realism then you're a certified hack.
I got to go to the Hobbiton movie set a bit back when I was backpacking in New Zealand. It was pretty fucking amazing to see the level of detail put into each of the Hobbit holes' exteriors. Was kinda sad to find out that none of them had fully built interiors, and that the interior scenes were shot at a different movie set.
Got to have a free pint at the Green Dragon. Took the mug home too. I'd definitely recommend going if you have the time and money.
Why did they leave out the scouring of the shire /tv/????
>>70199905
The movie's utility as war propaganda would have suffered from complicated implications of corruption in the common people's democratic system.
>>70199905
PJ hates The Hobbit(s) as evident by The Hobbit.
>>70199905
Because as a Silmarillionfag, the scouring of the shire was only to paint the picture that nothing goes untouched in a great war (you know, since he was involved in World War 1 and all).
Scouring of the Shire was a shit fucking ending
>>70200279
Thought it was about the corruption of parochial communities.
>>70200360
>>70200025
Tolkien hated allegory and denounced anyone that tried to apply it to his work.
I do not like the extended versions.
>>70200431
>Implying the movies are not meant to be allegorical
Not saying the books were btw,
>>70194813
......for frodo
What was the dankest pipe weed in Arda?
>>70200431
Good thing Death of the Author has been in effect since 1967.
>>70199905
Because adding an extra half hour after the plot is resolved would just tire the audience.
>>70194813
All of Theoden's speeches are ragnarok as fuck.
>NOW FOR WRATH
>NOW FOR RUIN
>>70200708
>FELL DEEDS AWAKE
>SPEARS SHALL BE SHAKEN
>SHIELDS SHALL BE SPLINTERED
>A SWORD DAY
>A RED DAY
>ERE THE SUN RIIIISSES
>>70194813
Those are the typical scenes everybody likes, get some taste
There are much better scenes with more emotional weight
>Sam's Osgiliath monologue
>the beacon lighting scene with the soaring orchestra strings
>the ending of TTT with the pan up to Mordor with the ominous music
>Boromir's death
>>70196914
Yep, but I only have the first two movies cause I misplaced the RotK boxnothing of value was lost
Gandalf and the Balrog went up the endless stairs to the very peak of a mountain.
No wonder they both died.
>>70200615
Old Toby.... finest weed in the South Farthing.
>>70200657
I'm just saying Tolkien didn't write them with any allegory or political subtext in mind.
>>70201369
You don't think anti-industrialism is a political stance?
>>70201169
kys
>>70201489
I'd say Tolkien was anti-industrialist but it doesn't really apply to his books. He was more nostalgic for older times more than anything. I'm pretty sure anyone that was in WW1 came out at least somewhat anti-industrialist.
Another great part of this trilogy in my opinion is the love story between Aragorn and Arwen.
Their romance is so tragic in a lot of ways and their scenes together are so beautiful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7tDQWGzEtc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7tDQWGzEtc
Some of the best examples of the soundtrack too
>>70191533
One word
>bluepilled
>>70202161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX4_LKFHIaY
>>70202161
fucking race-mixing fucking shit
age of men more like dawn of mulattoes am i rite?
>>70202007
>I'd say Tolkien was anti-industrialist but it doesn't really apply to his books. He was more nostalgic for older times more than anything. I'm pretty sure anyone that was in WW1 came out at least somewhat anti-industrialist.
Did you even watch Two Towers?
Il ladmit I never read the book, but the scenes of Sauromon and he Orc/Oruki building their army REAKES of anti-industrialism.
>>70202276
Dude relax, Arwen is Aragorn aunt.
>>70202464
His second cousin, twice removed on his mother's side.
>>70198812
This retard has the gall to speak after Daenerys's taking control of the cockless army and shouting out incredibly precise instructions in the middle of slaver city. Or a dwarf killing people with an axe from horseback. Etc etc.
>>70198812
>did he maintain a standing army?
>yes
>>70200279
that is a beautiful word sir and it has brought me much happiness
>>70200360
there's your realism
>>70201332
>mfw OD on melkoramphetamine
>>70198448
A far green country under a swift sunrise
This is the saddest scene in the whole movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i3Ax4YJySg
>>70203779
*trilogy
>>70200986
I always liked the scene in return of the king where the eye spots frodo and he freezes for a moment before collapsing.
>>70198812
>"I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men, it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice and prosperity, would become discontented and restless — while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors — like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow — but it would have been just that. Not worth doing."
>"Not worth doing"
Fat man BTFO
Anyone got any webm requests?
>>70205156
The part with the Balrog appearing for the first time and the fire in it's mouth
>>70205156
Goddamnit why don't you see fantasy battles as good as these more often?
>>70205302
>>70190388
Really tho, why didn't the eagles take Frodo to Mount Doom?
>>70205393
thanks famalam
>Will you have Peace...or War?
>I will have Hwargh!
This scene always stood out with me. What is hwargh?
>>70205156
How about that shot of the Nazgul entering the Prancing Pony with their swords drawn?
>>70205436
Fellbeasts
>>70205156
The part where Sauron starts wrecking people with his mace
>>70205542
>>70205900
>>70206061
nice, thanks anon
>>70205966
Nice. Thank you, friend
>>70206061
>manlets
>>70197511
Underrated post.
>>70206061
>sloped wings and cheekguards on the Gondorian nasal helmets eventually evolved into the conical helmets we see in TTT and RotK
The production design in these movies is absolutely amazing
anyone seen the new Warcraft movie yet? :)
Just saw the FOTR making of, holy shit I never knew they put this much work into the movie
>tfw You will never kinslay.
>>70206743
you actually can knislay
>>70205156
For comparison's sake :^)
>>70206811
>>70206811
>>70206811
What an ugly mess of a filmI actually really liked the first Hobbit apart from the Goblin Town scenes but the next two movies got real bad real fast
>>70201841
this is fucking hilarious to look at for some reason
>>70206686
The making of is as comfy as the movie
>>70206811
>The way that first line of elves just evaporates
>That janky in-fight camera work
God have mercy
>>70205321
is that 5ive armies?
>>70206811
>tfw they were filming the battle practically until Jackson had a breakdown trying to coordinate it and hectic scheduling meant they had to go all CGI
bilbo skywalker
>>70206811
oh god i forgot about this. who the fuck thought this would be a good idea?
For some reason the only action scenes with practical orcs in BotFA were the scenes with Bard's militia in Dale
>>70198812
It's not medieval, it's mythic, larger than life situations that people like GRRM's characters would only know from legends. Also, I don't think he knows much about orc creations, as it's pretty vague to begin with but I'm fairly sure they don't have babies in a traditional manner.
>>70199643
He wrote himself into like ten corners and has openly admitted he really just had no idea for a long time before he made any real progress in the writing.
>>70207221
>it's pretty vague to begin with but I'm fairly sure they don't have babies in a traditional manner.
Tolkien went back and forth on this but later on he wrote to a fan who asked that there "must have been" female Orcs. I think this is around the time he started to struggle with the implications of a race being universally evil as well.
It's amazing to me how forgotten the Hobbit movies are, and they aren't even old yet. They were so poorly done, so fucking forgettable it's hard to believe the same man is responsible for the creation of both. The fact that is parallels Star Wars so closely is just scary.
Similar things can be said about the Hobbit and the prequels, only there are actually many positive things you can make out form the shit that is the prequels, not so much with the Hobbit films.
I mean maybe the first Hobbit film was a 6/10 movie, but the others were just abysmal save a few decent scenes.
The LotR trilogy will stand the test of time as one of the greatest trilogies ever made. The Hobbit films will be forgotten (and already have been) to the point where no one will ever discuss of have nostalgia for them.
>>70206061
COULD
NOT
BE
UNDONE
I watched this fan-edit of the Hobbit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85gVFD7Dqwk
and honestly, it's pretty good. Fixes almost every problem I had with the movie, no Tauriel, almost no Legolas, action scenes are trimmed down to include only important stuff and some story bits changed to make more sense, for example how Torim was cured from Dragon sickness, it make more sense here
>>70207309
It's a shame he didn't live another 10 or even 5 years, he really could have fleshed out a lot of concepts. There's still probably at least some measure of material that Christopher Tolkien has not released either I imagine, as he did write and was in the process of rewriting a lot of lore even near the end of his life.
>got a text from my mom saying she's watching LOTR earlier
MOM I KNOW YOU'RE HERE GET OFF 4CHAN
>>70207336
LOOKS
share the load
>>70207493
As Sam bricks in Frodo's mouth.
>>70207319
>>70207309
They're harvested from ancient enslaved elves, twisted and warped over time. No need for woman orcs, if any were made they'd all be infertile anyway.
Yes orcs are evil
No not all goblins are
Uruk-hai???
>>70198812
see >>70204692
Tolkien BTFO fatman decades before fatman even had the idea to write his colossal goatfuck of a series.
>>70207613
>No need for woman orcs
>"There must have been orc-women. But in stories that seldom if ever see the Orcs except as soldiers of armies in the service of the evil lords we naturally would not learn much about their lives. Not much was known." - J.R.R. Tolkien, 1963
>>70198369
God bless peter jackson for fellowship of the rings.
I dont think any other director could have made a better one. His lighting and camera shots in that one remind me alot of dead alive and bad taste.
I didnt really get that in the hobbit.
I think prequels or spin offs shouldnt be taken on by the same director. They should've given the hobbit to sam raimi. But i dont think they would've ever given proper british clay to a yank without a few bruises.
>>70207613
Tolkien's work was unfinished, along with the fact there was questions he never intended to answer.
>>70207762
>I think prequels or spin offs shouldnt be taken on by the same director.
He didn't really have a choice, they were threatening to give it to Brett Ratner if he didn't come back.
>>70207762
I blame the WB mostly, but Jackson as well for going along with their bullshit ride, it was probably his most impressive paycheck, larger than the original trilogy I imagine. Hopefully he takes some time off before he does another big production.
>>70207761
>>70207613
>>70207309
Also for what it's worth a couple of extras playing orcs in both the Hobbit and LotR were women
>>70194813
The most epic scene is where the men are standing on the wall at helms deep and the Uruk-hai are spread out before them just before the battle starts.
Still remember the feel of watching that at the movies.
>>70208019
>That shot of the women and children hearing the Orcs
>>70207201
>bunch of plebs with farming equipment manage to defeat fully armored trained opponents
they should've had all the orcs in light armor, it would've been at least somewhat believable
>>70202280
I dont think he was saying industrialism was bad. He was saying that evil people with lust for power will stop at nothing.
Which if you are trying to make a good bad guy he should have that unrelenting motivation.
The middle earth saga is about adventure and nothing more.
His main characters came from simple lives but went on fantastic adventures.
If theres any message at all in there its a personal one about the human spirit.
>>70205436
>Implying the eagles didnt have to go into hostile air space
>Implying gandalf gives a shit about the mortal shell middle earthings inhabit
>Implying gandalf would risk his eagle bros at such a uncertain point in the saga.
>>70208297
Tolkien understood the need for the industrial revolution, though he still loathed it, though not to the point of being a Luddite. His love for nature was probably intertwined with his ideas of death and decay.
>>70207434
Did you see any issue with the color correction?
>>70208507
It kind of interesting to see that in the hobbit the conflict is started by the greed of the industrious dwarves. And even the arken stone is a resource that deems the holder ruler of the dwarves. And the ring is a resource that rules everything.
Both stories arent even about saving some princess or killing some god. Its about destroying a piece of earth or trying to find it .
>>70207898
i think the moria goblins in fellowship were all female extras.
>>70197511
NEVER AGAIN ANON
HA HA HA
I AM YOUR GOD NOW
>>70198416
ARMOUR LOOKS LIKE SHIT
LIKE A TIN CAN
The apendix is beautiful. A perfect example of what movie extras should really be. After you've seen the movies a million times I'd argue that the apendix are even more enjoyable than the movies.
If you've never seen the hobbit only watch the apendix, never the movie
>>70197763
*L in Japanese
>>70208166
>that scene which shows the young boys being geared up, followed by the march of the Uruk-hai
That scene really hit home for me, especially as a kid. Up until that point it was all adults doing the fighting and dying, and that little scene put it into perspective how terrifying the war is.
>>70194192
Everything. The actors take on the whole thing, all of the props, the back ground j r r Tolkien. It was a crazy experience and I have an ever deeper found respect for the movies now
>>70194813
I Will never forget seeing the balrog for the first time as a 9 year old in the theatre. You could feel the heat from his breath as he roared.
I think the Hobbit movies get too much hate. No doubt they should've only made one or two movies, should've kept it more for children, down to earth and smaller in scale like to book, didn't have to feel the need to add so much stuff, but they're far from terrible. Even BotFA isn't all that bad though it is the weakest one.
>>70190434
underrated post
Where can I watch/torrent the behind the scenes stuff for Two Towers and Rotk? Can't find it anywhere
>>70202161
It's a small scene but I always felt something during TTT where Aragorn is floating down that riverbank and he feels Arwen's kiss. That gentle singing was beautiful
FaramirxEowyn's the better couple still
>>70198812
>>70204692
>>70207721
im seriously getting second hand burns from this. being fucking told by a dead man from the past is just too much. grrrm just needs to die
>>70207201
That colour filter and bloom effect is so awful. What the fuck were they thinking?
>>70206061
What cheap youtube production is this?
>>70198812
>What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army?
This is the kind of shit that gets you so bogged down you end up writing a trilogy that takes 8 books, taking a decade per book, and getting bored with you're own story, Martin.
>>70209761
splitting it into 3 is where most of the problems seem to stem from
seriously, can you think of a way to keep it 3 movies and still be good?
underrated moment
https://youtu.be/xVEYcTyj1Do
>>70190388
Where did they shoot this and how the fuck did they create so huge statues?
Are they still standing?
>>70212639
Most moving scene of the two towers
>>70207898
All of the Rohirrim riders were also women. They just put beards and chainmail on the local horse club.
>>70208019
Where is the horse and the rider?
Where is the horn that was blowing?
>>70212639
My favorite moment in the series, honestly.
Boromir's death tears me up, Sam's monologue about the old stories is sweet and wonderful, Faramir's charge is tragically beautiful. But I have to give it to the Theoden content; it always touched me, watching that proud old man, consumed with doubt and just utter melancholy. He's so great.
>>70198812
I don't think this literal retard has ever even read the books, let alone understood them.
>>70197799
Wow, that looks fucking horrible even on my laptop. WHY did he do an edit like that with such a tiny resolution?
>>70213941
probably due to render time if i had to guess
>>70191297
The massive amount of extra content in those movies is what gave me a permanent boner for behind-the-scenes and director's/cast and crew commentaries.
>>70214372
>crew commentaries
best thing ever. i completely forgot they were a thing till recently.
its great to hear the effects people talk about how they came across a problem and how they solved it
>>70207466
LIKE
>>70207613
Orcs = goblins
fuck yeah gil-galad
>>70202280
He mentioned Tokien's writing and you're asking him about the movies stating you've never read the books even? I get the message you're conveying but you've got to admit the first part of your answer sounds absurd.
>>70198417
go to fanedit.org and search for hobbit. there are tons of fanedits. same thing with star wars
>>70197511
sad to say but its true
>>70207798
might as well had been directed by ratner, awful set of movies those
>>70217856
back when they actually went outdoors to shoot the fucking battle scenes
