Is there a point to watching pre-Golden Age TV dramas? You know, a time when complex plots and moral ambiguity were absent, and you couldn't say "fuck" or have violence?
>>70146675
why did breaking bad have to be so damn good but yet the most un re-watchable tv show ever made?
>>70146761
Because it wasn't good and was all hype.
>>70146675
replace Walt with
>>70146836
this is so contrarian , normies didn't give a FUCK about breaking bad until season 5. this post also has reddit written all over it and fucking cringe. your opinion is completely stupid and you're an idiot
>>70146923
>all these buzzwords
>being this mad
Breaking bad is for retards, there is only one king of television. pic related
>>70147089
forgot pic
>>70147089
OH THE IRONING
>>70146761
Because it relied on nothing else other than cliff hangers.
>>70147269
true
>>70146761
it's not a very good show
it was very much a product of it's time, The Sopranos, The Wire and Mad Men are timeless and will be watched for many decades, Breaking Bad will look very dated in a few years
>>70146916
No. Unless you only mean season one.
Breaking Bad doesn't belong there and Mad Men is unreachable.
>>70147394
>the wire
>mad men
>in the same league as the sopranos
Nigger, please. Sopranos is timeless. Wire and Mad Men are talked about even less than BrBa.
![1300044776986[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cxmlrVu.jpg "1300044776986[1].jpg")
>>70146923
Breaking Bad sucked dick. People started hopping on the hype train at around S3. But once they started writing the show as it went along it became literally meme status where everything is dedicated to the lolsoebig cliffhanger at the end of the episode.
There was something special in those first two seasons that they unfortunately just failed to deliver. As it stands the Shield does everything BB tried to do much, much better
>>70147593
they're both still better shows than Breaking Bad
>>70147269
this
It's obnoxious, just like in Weeds
>>70147606
This, but even more people got in the hype train after the explosion scene.
>>70146675
>implying anything but the 90's is the golden age
Twin Peaks was leagues better than all this modern shit.
>>70147782
>thising yourself
>>70147841
Correct. There's a reason they're trying to reboot and redo all that shit.
>>70146675
White Supremacy was not a question back then
It was a fact
>>70147841
>>70147909
Shit opinion. No one cares about your poorly written tranny hero.
>>70146675
>DUDE ANTI HERO LMAO
>DUDE MORL AMBIGUITY LMAO
a show does not necessarily need these to be great
>>70148112
Of course not, that would be ridiculous, but those things certainly correlate
>>70146675
Mad Men should not be there
>>70146761
Breaking Bad was shit
>>70147897
Twin Peaks was shit
I understand the interest in drip-fed dramas but they're on another level than real cinema. twin peaks is the only series I've ever enjoyed and that's because david lynch is a real director
>all these absolute plebs talking about patrician American television
There are two patrician American television shows:
1. Twin Peaks
2. The Simpsons
End of list. The rest is ephemeral. Pic related, it's 500x more complex, mature, entertaining, intelligent, beautiful, and creative that this glorified theater trash like The Sopranos or Mad Men you cretins are discussing
>>70148697
Twin Peaks is just a cheesy soap opera that's laughable today, and The Simpsons used to be funny but it sucks so much now we're forced to trash the whole fucking series.
>>70148027
Yeah, they're rebooting it because no one cares
>not liking Xena
faggot
>>70148573
Twin Peaks is literally proto-Firefly with a fanbase just as annoying.
>>70148785
no, it's quite evident that joss whedon is a lesser writer and director
>>70146675
>Is there a point to watching TV dramas?
No, they're all shit.
>>70146761
THIS
The opposite would be Mad Men. That is the most rewatchable show I've ever seen.
>>70147593
Mad Men is on par with The Sopranos and steps all over The Wire you pleb
>show that is just 80% good is better than show that is 100% perfect.
mad men is fucking garbage
sopranos is a 10/10 and the wire is a 10/10
everyone on /tv/ loved breaking bad until it became popular with normies
Certainly. There are plenty of great dramas before 1999. Homicide: Life on the Street, Hill Street Blues, St. Elsewhere and White Shadow just to name a few that come to mind. They are certainly far fewer and far between but there are certainly some
>>70146675
Yes. Little House on the Prairie shits all over that edgy garbage you posted, nigger.
>>70149440
Grandma is that you?
>>70146761
>breaking bad
>so damn good
¡BUONGIORNO REDITTIO!
>>70149440
Patrician taste.
>>70146761
Bitch I've seen it 3 times and going
>>70147897
Except the part where Season 2 is complete tripe.
>>70149419
These fags have never watched those shows. You know 90% of the posters here couldn't even reach the water faucet until 2005, right?
>>70146675
>Doesn't watch Columbo
Time to end it lad
>>70149595
Exactly. They ignore that part and/or blame the network. Just like Whedonfags.
>>70146761
It's great but not outstanding.
All the plebs in this thread calling it shit are Juggalo-tier faggots, without a doubt.
don't forget about me, OP!
>>70149617
I love that show, Peter Falk is so based
RIP
>>70146675
>mfw post-Mad Men television
>>70149617
Monk > Columbo
>>70149714
Fargo, The Knick, The Leftovers, The Affair, Rectify. I think the golden age left a good legacy for tv.
>>70149720
I'm not attempting to be hyperbolic or contrarian, but I simply don't believe that someone could legitimately hold that view
>>70149617
Pretty much this, watching columbo on a sunday having your dinner is pretty comfy desu mate
>>70149749
You forgot The Americans
>>70149714
>twn be another episode
It's honestly okay, though. The resolution was perfect. I was having an anxiety attack in the hours before the finale, worrying that it would be an unhappy ending.
Then the finale ended and I started the series over again.
>>70149660
Underrated post
>>70149768
oh shit sorry. That show is GOAT.
is The Affair worth watching for any reason outside of McNulty?
>>70146675
Twilight Zone still rules.
>>70149803
Yes. Great writting, great performances, great setting and atmosphere, great plotting. It also has flashforwards and my waifu from Bunheads (RIP).
>>70149782
I miss the hype that surrounded every season premiere or finale, reading the reviews, the tweets, spending the week in /sc&p/, all that.
>>70149803
It's pretty good
>>70149419
I don't even know what those shows are other than St. Elsewhere, which I only know because the ending is famous where turns out the whole show's just an autist's imagination so I'm not giving that show a chance with an ending that stupid.
>>70146761
I loved it, but I waited until the hype had died down and watched it in one go. Some faults which prevent it, I think, from being considered 'great.'
It's extremely juvenile. Walt is a walking power fantasy for every down and out loser tuning into the show. Even in the first season, before his moral transformation, he's beating up teenagers, fucking up some dude's car, and causing other stupid shit that's supposed to show his underlying anger, but actually only serves to gratify the viewer. That his targets are caricatures of 'bad people' rather than something resembling a human being, makes it easier to swallow.
The abundance of cliffhangers. Had I watched this show when it was airing, I would have dropped it. Using cliffhangers is the cheapest form of propelling your narrative. Especially when you put that shit on repeat.
Those are my main two. Otherwise the show had some excellent moments, but whereas Mad Men and Sopranos seem to populated with believable people, BrBa felt like it was driven by a cast of cartoon characters.
What makes great shows memorable are the themes they explore through the characters which inhabit them. BrBa didn't seem to do that. It was story-driven, which is totally fine, but when so much of that story relies on cheap thrills and dangling threads, you can't view it twice and not notice all the transparencies.
Just my two pennies.
Honestly though, it is bizzare how many good tv shows are on at the moment, or existed in the last decade.
Like right now we're in the middle of:
Fargo
Game of Thrones
The Americans
Bloodline
True Detective
House of Cards
There's probably a bunch I'm missing, but it's incredible to think how high the quality of tv is now. There's something for everyone.
>>70149803
>showtime series
>>70149922
Daredevil
Inb4 >capeshit
>>70149922
>Game of Thrones
>>70149893
>/sc&p/
Those were the best threads /tv/ ever had
>>70150015
Yes, it' a very good portrayal of a fantasy setting with a high production value. Shit on it all you want, but there's a reason why it's the most popular drama show in the world right now.
>>70150015
It's still good, well produced television. 7, maybe 8/10 easy.
>>70147841
the 90s had shit television. except for frasier and the earlier seasons of X Files.
>>70149922
>>70150015
they cut out literally every exciting subplot/character from the books, or they're just saving them all for when their god awful shitty fanfiction comes to an end
>>70150067
because after season 1 it became tailored for plebs. The only thing that makes it an HBO show is the production value at this point.
>>70149922
>Bloodline
That show caught me by surprise. I fucking loved season 1.
I was also scared as shit for season 2 but so far am 3 episodes in and enjoying the ride.
>>70150109
it's mediocre desu
>>70149199
I actually have difficulty starting Mad Men and binging it because it just feels so emptily episodic
>>70150060
oh man I loved /sc&p/ so much. I miss discussing patrician stuf with my mad bros.
>>70150170
It seems that way at first, but then later everything adds up and when you get to know the characters and what they're going through, the show becomes 20 times more cohesive and compelling.
>>70150170
I liked it at first because of the writting, sets, 60s accuracy and Christina Hendricks. After the season 3 finale I became addicted to it and enjoyed every episode that came after. I had to restrain myself from watching more than one episode per day so the bliss could last.
>>70146675
England had been producing brilliant television for decades. See:
> I, Claudius
> Claudius the God
> Tinker, Tailor, Soldier Spy
> Rumpole
> Smiley's People
> All those Shakespeare adaptations
> The original House of Cards trilogy, which was much, much better than its remake
And that's just off the top of my head. There were also heaps of decent shows that were performed live in the 1950s, only back then they called them tele-plays.
>>70150161
compared to the original golden age shows it isn't amazing, but it definitely qualifies with its production values, acting and emphasis on character development. that and it's still compelling in absence of the flashy crap breaking bad relied on.
>>70150159
I liked the first 2/3 of season 1 because it felt like a well done character study/family drama. After that it started to rely too much on plot and they ended upkilling their best character and actorso I'm not sure if I will keep watching. They should have made it an antology series of dark family dramas in interesting comfy settings.
>>70149720
>all the Twin Peaks hate itt
get fucked plebs
>>70150161
You aren't wrong, it has potential though. I'm hoping the third season will turn it around.
>>70149199
I really don't like mad men in relation to other shows like the sopranos/the wire. i don't get the big fucking deal.
>>70150170
I still maintain that the first 3 seasons of Mad Men are mediocre. They never fully develop Don's character, it pays too much awareness to the fact that it's a period drama and the general plot feels like it doen't really know where it's going.
Seasons 4 &5 are fantastic, that's where the show really finds its basis, and 6&7 are some of the best seasons in television drama history
>>70150161
>>70150330
just the fact that it's a slow burn kind of show that relies on the previous success of another show to be able to do as they want because people will watch anyway makes it good. There are few shows today that have this liberty to do as they please and advance at their own pace.
>>70146675
mfw looking at trailers of the latest output of shows, after network hacks began to cotton on to just how much money could be made from the """Golden Age""" meme. They're trying to fuck everything up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRn-h3tn7aE
> Shitty television remake
> It ain't Me starts playing
>>70150302
It started and ended strong. It just lost its way when Lynch wasn't around to elevate it. After Laura's killer was revealed, the show took a huge nose dive for several episodes.
>>70146761
Breaking bad was very much a thriller and had not much going on besides the main plot thread. Once you memorize everything that happens it's not much fun to watch again.
>>70150403
Not too mention mike is literally only in the show to keep the pleb audience from breaking bad entertained.
>>70146675
>not watching Star Trek
>>70150445
it's like the producers haven't even watched the film they're adapting this from.
>>70150195
I'll never forget them, brother.
I've never seen The Wire. Everyone tells me I'm in for a treat. Is it that good?
I really don't like cliffhanger shit, I stopped watching Lost (remember all the hype around that shit?) when that polar bear appeared. I'm not getting suckered like that.
The only TV shows I've ever really gotten into were X-Files (muh childhood) and Deadwood (muh series 3).
I'm not really in the mood for hours and hours of innocent black dindus getting mistreated by pot bellied white cops. Gimme dat dere drama.
>>70150461
Frost and the other writers were in a difficult situation, they had way too many episodes ahead of them and Lynch ditched them to do promotion for Wild at Heart.
>>70146675
Nope. Stick with your millennial shit. No point in trying to comprehend television in which there are shots lasting longer than a tenth of a second.
>>70147841
The 90s was a terrible time for everything, except perhaps film.
>>70150837
Somebody's triggered
>>70150857
Video games. Nothing more.
Tales from the crypt was a decent show.
I think all of /tv/ can agree that the greatest age of television was the age ofL O S T.
>>70150803
The Wire's pretty free of narrative gimmicks like cliffhangers, and no it's not like your description at all, so watch the show you pleb.
>>70150914
Oh yeah, vidya I guess.
>>70146675
Watch it Anons
>>70148785
I'm trying to imagine a dumber sentence in English and failing.
>>70150857
>>70147841
>>70150106
>>70147841
there was a spike of good tv in the early nineties with shows like Twin Peaks, Seinfeld, X-Files, The Simpsons, Frasier and ER, among others. It didn't last but left a legacy for tv network shows because there were no shows like them before. Some critics call it a small golden age.
>"Golden age of television"
>Last good scifi was Star Trek DS9
This age of television sucks.
>>70147593
lol right those are reddit as fuck shows.
always laugh when some fucking pleb just going through the motions puts those in a top list.
>>70151061
>what is Battlestar Galactica
>>70151052
Most of those are shit, though. Twin Peaks is pretty great and the Simpsons was good, but the rest are trash.
>>70150803
Whatever other dogshit you like, The Wire is better.
Next question.
>>70150857
>shoegaze, idm
>>70151096
>a piece of shit abusing the corpse of a sad star wars mormon ripoff
>>70151111
you are a pleb if you seriously believe that. Even if you think they are not good you can't deny they were very innovative and had a massive influence in shows to come.
>>70149918
It's a great medical drama. Launched Denzel Washington's career.
>>70151096
Fair point, still, that was almost a decade ago and
wasn't as good as DS9. It barely even felt like scifi to be honest.
>>70150803
Cliff hanger shit? The wire isn't about actual wires
>>70151168
Seinfeld is a meme that no one really laughs at.
The X-Files is pretty much trash throughout.
Frasier is marginally funnier than Seinfeld.
ER is shite.
>>70151227
>It barely even felt like scifi to be honest.
not enough aliens and time travel shit?
>>70146675
>there will never be another Tony Soprano as long as I live
Why do I even keep living if not to see a better show than The Sopranos?
>>70151270
Yeah bruv. It honestly could've been set on
Waterworld and none of the plots would have changed.
>>70151247
>Seinfeld is a meme that no one really laughs at
You literally have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, do you?
>>70151247
>Seinfeld
An original and innovative show that demonstrated how good comedyy can be when it's well written even if it comes from a dull premise about the daily life of common people.
>X-Files
First "x of the week" procedural show that blew everyone's minds when the episodic formula was broken by a complex overarching story arc that spanned many seasons. It was also the first show with a non serious premise to take itself very seriously and succeed at it.
>Frasier
A great comedy that showed how it's possible to make a fun, smart sitcome without the typical tropey character interactions, and how you can have moments of reflection and seriosness without losing the fun.
>ER
phew, where to begin. Most medical dramas before and after ER are just campy and irrealistic. ER was one of the first shows written in a realistic way, with realistic characters, with insane camerawork and production values, one of the most thrilling and engaging shows. There is so much to be said about ER. No medical drama has come close to it in two decades.
>>70150015
season 6 is better than season 4 and 5 so far and jack bender still is directing another episode this season
>>70151626
well it's not that surprising that something could be better than literal shit. I don't see how the show could sink lower than season 5 at this point.
>>70150015
Season 6 has been the show's best since season 2, pleb.
>>70151825
>since 2
>he doesn'tregard season 1 as the only good season
kys
>>70151825
Season 1 was the only good season.
The rest have either been shit or passable.
>all these meme shows
Any true patrician with taste knows Friday Night Lights is the greatest of all time.
>>70151852
>>70151871
*tip*
>>70149919
solid post
>>70146675
>Anthony has a son named Anthony Jnr
>Don has a son named Donny Jnr
>Walter has a son named Walt Jnr
>Omar has a son named Lil Omar
The fuck? Is that all it takes to be a prestige drama?
>>70148697
Dekalog is a masterpiece, but you should give The Sopranos a shot
>>70151871
Opinion discarded. Season 4 was the best.
>>70146675
Fuck you guys
QUANTUM LEAP
Nobody ?
Eat a dick.
>>70153378
You serious?
