Snyder is one of the few filmmakers who understood the comic book medium. A graphic novel isn't simply a novel with pictures in it - the panels convey information that may not be directly referenced in the text. Snyder understands this, that's why he doesn't spoon-feed you exposition in the dialogue and instead tells his stories through imagery.
A perfect example of this is one of Bruce's nightmares in BvS. He walks away from the burned down Wayne Manor and into his parents crypt. We see a painting of Saint Michael, wearing red and blue (Superman) hanging above him as he enters. We see his mothers crypt with her name displayed prominently, while his father's name is obscured. Blood begins seeping out of his mother's crypt and then the bat-demon shoots out of it.
Bruce is still haunted by his mother's death. Her death is why he become Batman, and he is still consumed and traumatized by it. This is why the Martha moment makes sense. His father's last words are "Martha", and one of his mother's pearls falls with him when he falls into the Batcave in the beginning.
People say Snyder's symbolism is obvious, but often we see it's simply too subtle for most critics and many audience members.
>>70028735
okay
The Man, the Myth, the Legend; Lord Zacharias Snyder, the one true kinographer.
He is ahead of his time and will be appreciated in the future
Sure thing Jan
>>70028735
My interpretation of that dream is that it's Bruce's own subconscious telling him that Superman is one of the good guys(one of the Angels, if you will) while warning him that his own obsessions are threatening to consume him.
His father's name being obscured in his dream is further telling, as Bruce's entire life could be interpreted as him attempting to be the protector that his father tried, but failed, to be. Hearing his mother's name from the mouth of his enemy becomes even more startling to him, as it is the beginning of his realization that here before him is just another man attempting to be a protector, a hero.
Watchmen is GOAT. BVS is close
Everyone who saw it got it, it was just so fucking silly and weak.
We waited our whole lives to see that movie and instead of the picture we all had in our heads we got "Martha," directed by an actual retarded person. Fuck this movie so much.
>>70029989
>Everyone who saw it got it
This is obviously false.
Watchmen is a sophomoric take on the GN's cliff notes, with lots original panels being copied almost exactly
While stylistically sound, it's thematically a mess, no nuance to the character development and absolutely no understanding of cold war politics
4/10
>>70030177
>While stylistically sound, it's thematically a mess, no nuance to the character development and absolutely no understanding of cold war politics
Complete gibberish.
>>70030066
It's not a difficult message to decipher (not that much was required)
The problem was that it's execution was just down right terrible.
Unironically agree
I think Affleck may change the game too though, next level capekino
>>70030391
You're clearly not fit to discuss art if something so straightforward sounds like gibberish
>>70030438
'thematically a mess' 'no nuance to the character development' 'absolutely no understanding of cold war politics'
These complaints are utterly nonsensical.
Hey OP I banged your mom last night
>>70030465
>cold war politics
Oh fuck off. Xmen did cold war politics better thna anything the DCEU can offer.
>>70029277
I legitimately think this is the case.
>>70030534
About the level of discourse you'd expect from Snyder hater; jealous, infantile, unable to understand even the most basic concepts, to say nothing of Snyder's more subtle and obscure symbolism.
Anybody with a clue knows you are right OP
No one understands the comic book...nay...the graphic novel aesthetic like Zack does.
>>70028735
>You could call it “high-brow” comics, but to me, that comic book was just pretty sexy! I had a buddy who tried getting me into “normal” comic books, but I was all like, “No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.” I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, “This is more my scene.”
He's a hack. Just accept it, and hope Ben Affleck can keep this manchild in line before he ruins the DCEU more than he has
>>70030637
>out of context quote from 8 years ago used for purposes of character assassination.
Typical MCUck.
>>70030465
>Thematically a mess
It follows the graphic novel visually to a point where it imitates visual allusions to events that are changed in the screenplay, it takes a fairly simple commentary on the moral nature of a masked vigilante and glorifies all the violence, missing the point.
>No nuance to the character development
The limitations of the format make interesting arcs like Dreiberg's or Sally Jupiter completely nonsensical and filled with 180 degree changes of mind that aren't implied and contradict the established character. Rorschach is way over-emphasized
>No understanding of cold war politics
This is fairly simple, the main deterrent of the US going rogue and attacking the main capitals on earth can't possibly have the same consequences as a third party deterrent appearing out of nowhere and attacking New York, the consulting they hired apparently only taught them about the doomsday clock.
>>70030465
For you
>>70028735
>manchildren genuienly think there's thematic weight and intelligent ideas in their mass-produced conveyer belt products marketed to little kids
>literally men in spandex hitting each other
>>70030686
It doesn't glorify the violence at all, the violence is brutal and ugly and overwhelming directed at normal civilians, just like in the comic.
I don't see how Dreiberg's or Sally Jupiter's arcs are "nonsensical", you're going to have to be specific about what you have a problem with, nor do I think Rorschach was over-emphasized, in fact I thought he was done perfectly.
I also thought changing the threat to Dr. Manhattan instead of LOLALIENS was perfectly appropriate. He's the only super being on Earth able to take anyone out with simply a thought, of course him going rogue would be dangerous and could easily unite various nations.
>>70030776
Wicked Reductio ad Absurdum mate, here's your (You).
>>70030571
>>70028735
It still blows my mind people think the bats actually raised Bruce out of the cave.
>>70030667
Yes anon, Snyder has totally changed, that's why the DCEU is totally not crumbling away.
>>70030866
"A beautiful lie..."
>>70028735
watchmen is the only good movie in that picture.
>>70030907
Snyder has yet to make a bad movie.
>>70030776
this post is genuinely off-topic because this is not what this thread is about.
>>70030954
Objectively BVS and Watchmen were failures.
>>70031091
It's clear you have no idea what the word "objective" means. Both films made a profit and Watchmen had both a positive critical and audience response and sold incredibly well on dvd/blu-ray.
>>70031130
>Assblasted Snyderfag trying to rewrite history
It was shit get over it
>>70031130
lmao
>>70031172
>>70031259
>>70031292
>>70031172
>>70031130
>Watchmen had both a positive critical and audience response and sold incredibly well on dvd/blu-ray.
It's probably his best movie in a vacuum, but if you've read the source material it's incredibly apparent that he's literally too dumb to understand the comic and what it was trying to say. It makes everything that's happened in his career since then much easier to understand; he'sliterally an 80 IQ manchild who somehow gets millions of dollars shoveled at him to make movies.
>>70028875
underrated post
>>70031292
>>70031418
I've read the source material and I don't agree with you at all, I thought it was an excellent adaptation.
If you want a terrible adaptation of a Moore book that completely misunderstood the source material, just look at V for Vendetta.
We are reaching levels of contrarian that shouldn't be possible
>>70031404
Kys
>>70031487
People are actually just finally walking about to the genius of BvS and Snyder.
>Watching Watchmen with commentary
>we shot it like this because uhhh it looked cool
>I didn't want to shoot it like this but then I saw it and it looked awesome
>people try to argue on how much he understood the source material.
>>70031600
*waking up
>>70030571
>>70030954
This is what dcucks believe
>>70031604
He's clearly a terrible speaker, but an excellent director.
He's a socially awkward autist like many true geniuses
>>70031467
>I thought it was an excellent adaptation.
You're entitled to your opinion, but turning a deconstruction of superhero themes into a dumb, straightforward superhero movie is a miss by just about any possible standard.
>If you want a terrible adaptation of a Moore book that completely misunderstood the source material, just look at V for Vendetta.
Yeah, that was as bad or worse.
>>70031670
>actually telling yourself this to excuse a jock hack
>>70031670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3byJxc9Vc
>>70029989
So instead you got the most iconic collection of events that could possibly happen between Batman and Superman, and you're upset about that?
Anyone else like BvS more than MoS?
>>70031467
I'm with you on that assessment. I enjoyed "V for Vendetta," but only by consciously choosing to not compare it to the GN.
>>70028735
300 was a bit shit but you're still correct, Snyder is excellent.
>>70031717
>You're entitled to your opinion, but turning a deconstruction of superhero themes into a dumb, straightforward superhero movie is a miss by just about any possible standard.
I don't agree that it did that, though. I thought it captured those themes from the novel. I saw the movie before I read the graphic novel and while the novel fleshed some things out, I thought the themes were pretty much exactly the same, regarding the kind of person who would want to be a superhero, the lack of oversight they have, the consequences they have on the world, the absurdity of their existence in the first place, etc.
In contrast to V for Vendetta, where I thought the movie was decent before I read the graphic novel, and after trying to watch it again I spent the entire second half infuriated by how ridiculous the changes were (dumb love story, mindless action, lack of anarchist themes, lack of Fate, etc).
>>70031859
I think I still like MoS a little better, but mainly because it was a far more streamlined story. I'm withholding final judgement until I've seen the director's cut of BvS.
>>70031893
this.
the movie might not be as all-encompassing but it still has the same themes that the book has.
>>70031984
>My opinions are determined by group consensus, I'm unable to think for myself.
>>70031984
>autism
>>70032015
>>70032021
>DC cuckies
Twenty Seven.
Claiming Zack Snyder didn't get Watchmen is utterly asinine. Even putting aside the film itself, BvS itself proves he did, not to mention hes spoken at length before about the themes of Watchmen in interviews.
Snyder is pretty GOAT desu, plus he's one of the only ones making blockbusters that don't just go out the other ear.
https://youtu.be/GPu64wVubMA
>>70032097
But they do.
>>70032097
this
Watchmen is honestly fucking great, but BvS was trash.
The actually, ACTUALLY PUT FUCKING TEASERS FOR FUTURE MOVIES IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR OWN MOVIE.
Not after the credits, but in the MIDDLE of their own movie.
Wow.
are there any actual snyder fans or is it all shitposting?
serious question
>>70032170
I thought that Cyborg scene was fucking dope, though.
Flash was alright and Aquaman was trash, but I'm glad the Cyborg scene with the Mother Box was in there.
>see snyder thread
>get triggered
people ACTUALLY do this
>>70032071
Stop making up shit
>>70032202
I'm the OP and I'm 100% sincere, he's honestly one of my favorite directors.
I also like Nicolas Winding Refn, Kubrick, Christopher Nolan, Ridley Scott, David Cronenberg, Charlie Kaufman, David Lynch PTA, Paul Verhoeven, among others.
>>70032170
I didn't care for where they appeared in the film, but I didn't mind them appearing. It was the final clue the audience got for what Lex was really planning.
>>70032205
the scenes are not the problem, the placement is.
>>70032290
this
>>70032365
Fuck off, shill
>>70032290
OP I think your taste is pleb.
He's good at doing adaptations/remakes since they're already written. Watchmen, 300 comics are storyboards he can copy off, Doesn't have to write anything. Dawn of the Dead already exist. If it was a straight adaptation of Dark Knight Returns maybe it could have been decent.
BvS and Sucker Punch is him trying to do something himself.
>>70032411
you need to relax, friend, not everything is a conspiracy to annoy you
>>70032411
Who are your favorite directors?
>>70029277
I think this is how Dawn of Justice will turn out. Ten years from now I think people will look back at it very differently.
Reminder that David Hayter aka Snake wrote Watchmen and the best 2 X-Men movies before DoFP.
>>70032607
Too bad they'll fuck it up now with snyder off the head-position.
>>70032661
I'm not in the know. Did they can Snyder?
>>70032202
I'm with OP. Completely sincere in my appreciation.
>>70032773
Nope, there has been some misleading insinuations in media coverage but he's still directing Justice League.
Some media reports have stressed that Geoff Johns will have a larger role, but there has been nothing substantial about Snyder's role being reduced, as far as I can tell.
>>70032773
No. And I pray to God they don't.
>>70032773
apparently Geoff Johns will basically be looking over snyders back at every turn, snyder's still "head" but not exactly.
>mfw DC will use flashpoint to erase the events BvS
>>70032485
Ridley Scott, Charlie Kaufman, David Fincher, Paul Verhoeven, James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, Zemeckis
Also DCEU a shit.
>>70032974
what emotion is that conveying?
>>70028735
Just stop. Even as a self-identified DCuck, I know there's no valid defense for either Man of Steel or Batman v Superman. Zack Snyder is a hack. I hope Warner Bros. realize that soon and put someone else in charge of the Justice League movies.
He handles the Batman stuff really well. I'd watch a Snyder-directed Batman stuff. I was legitimately engaged anytime it was just Batman doing stuff in BvS.
His take on Superman is pretty rough though. I'm a seriously die hard Superman fanboy, so there's definitely some bias there. But his take on Superman's too cynical. And it's very insulting to my intelligence.
To presume that your audience is too jaded and pessimistic to handle an altruistic Superman is downright stupid.
>>70032990
Three of those people were on my list. I agree with Fincher as well, but not the others.
I think the DCEU is excellent.
>>70030554
Is everyone just meming for this guy or what?
I think he's visually moderately interesting but generally a useless hack.
>>70033070
>Even as a self-identified DCuck
yikes city
>>70028735
A man named Matthew Vaugn exists and this is who you choose. Fcking mong op.
>>70033132
For some people, taking the risk to make sophomoric self important movies that bombs at the box office when given a giant IP is a success.
>>70033122
Superman was altruistic though.
I thought his dialogue at the Daily Planet as Clark was excellent too. About how when you write a story you're making a choice about who matters, and writing stories about poor people, civil liberties, etc. Also when he stopped following Bruce and went to save that girl in Mexico after he saw the fire on the TV at Lex's party, and that whole montage where he saves people.
>Too often I think studios and filmmakers have a preconceived notion of what audiences’ expectations will be based on a film’s genre. I believe this approach often sets a course that funnels many projects down a familiar pathway with comfortable choices and safe decisions. I’ll be the first to admit that sometimes this actually works, creating cinematic “comfort food” that delivers and satisfies. But more often than not, it leaves me as a viewer dissatisfied, wanting more and wishing I didn’t know what was waiting for me around every corner. That is why I like creating projects that are self-aware. In my opinion, the trick is being self-aware without becoming self-conscious, having an awareness of a project’s roots, but not being stifled by the typical genre pre-conceptions.
>Mcucks will argue Snyder doesn't know what he is doing
Snyder is one of the few people bringing individuality, ambition and vision to blockbuster cinema
>>70033211
All of his movies have been successes at the box office other than Sucker Punch, which broke even but did well on dvd/blu-ray.
>>70033232
It literally took an alien invasion to get Superman off his ass.
And, to me, making Superman into a reactionary force just doesn't jive. It's the same reason I didn't care for JMS' Earth One OGN series.
It's more of a complaint about MoS than BvS, since their take was a bit better. I guess I just want a confident and more assured Superman, since I think Cavill would do great there.
>>70033333
>It literally took an alien invasion to get Superman off his ass.
what?
Interested in Tim Burton's take Superman. Just an Alien trying to fit in.
>>70033333
And that's what he's evolving into.
After his next appearance, I can't wait to see all the cynics and naysayers braying about how they reined Zack and his creative team in to give people the iconic Superman they've been clamoring for when that was the direction he was headed in all along.
I expect terms like "backpedaling" and "course correction" to get a lot of usage.Also checked.
>>70033333
>I guess I just want a confident and more assured Superman, since I think Cavill would do great there.
My guess is that's what we're going to see in the future DCEU films, which is why he died in BvS, to reborn as the more inspiring version of the character.
I actually like the more flawed, indecisive, human version of the character as opposed to the perfect godlike being he is generally portrayed as, but I think he will reborn as more of the Morrison style Superman in the future, since MoS and BvS are about his growth as a hero.
>>70033122
the cynicism is more about our own world i think
literally, the sort of abstract idea of superman is too good for the world
in a morrison kind of way, i take the movies to actually show this, the closer to reality superman gets, the more uncomfortable he gets
whereas morrison literally made superman a figure who always ensures a happy ending, in the dceu he doesn't have that security
>>70033662
this is the funny thing to me, that ironically all the people saying not muh muhh jesus pretty much confirm the way superman functions within certain spaces of the cultural consciousness. it proves the angle of bvs while also making even more sense of his death
there will be a certain irony in how they depict and how people react this depiction of superman in the future as the meaning of his death is that the s on his chest isn't his anymore, but the world's
in batman's dream, darkseid branded the earth, but by the end of the movie, the symbol of the house of el is at what is probably what is the heart of the city
>>70028735
They're all shit, especially Watchmen
>>70033027
>mfw i'm the superior Flash
>>70033977
Found the pleb
>>70033631
>Snyder
>doing anything but dark and edgy shit
lmao
MoS and BvS are the result of him seeing that people liked TDK and saying
>''I'm gonna show them what grimdark is.''
He's a talentless hack and the entire planet rightfully took a collective turd on him.
>>70033955
Great observation.
>>70034041
Go be a hack somewhere else, Snyder.
>>70034064
That "hack" understands more about heroism and the road to becoming one than you likely ever will.
>>70029989
>everyone who saw it got it
>your post
Doesn't look like it everyone got it
>>70034096
>>70029277
Nah... I tgink peope will rediscover watchmen and realize it was goat after all but snyders other shit has beeb meh...
Watchmen really was goat tho
>>70034147
But Superman is a ruthless psychopath who failed to save an entire city and let said city get completely leveled.
Let's see this hero in action.
>>70034147
Is that why his movies are panned by critics?
300: Absolutely hated it. Nearly cussed out my friends for recommending that garbage.
Watchmen: Haven't seen it yet.
Sucker Punch: I will concede that I did not understand this movie, so no judgement.
Batman v Superman: kinda shitty, kinda fun. Was def too bleak.
>>70034156
What's up with this DCuck spamming this pic in all DC drone threads?
>>70034192
>But Superman is a ruthless psychopath
Yeah he goes around constantly saving people for no benefit to himself because he's a psychopath.
>>70034192
do you think your shit b8 actually annoys anyone?
just makes you seem like an obnoxious idiot desu.
>>70034227
>Nearly cussed out my friends for recommending that garbage.
If they were to punch you in the face, you would've deserved it.
>>70034239
No, he goes around punching Zod, paying no attention to the destruction around him.
>>70034256
You are a DCuck on /tv/, so you are trying to do damage control over one of your failed flicks, so everything that isn't Snyder dicksucking is going to make you mad as fuck.
>>70034275
Not a surprise a DC neckbeard would punch someone for having a different opinion, after all, it's in your mentality threatening to kill people who do not share your opinions.
Like savages.
Sucker Punch, Watchmen and Man of Steel are some of the worst movies ever made.
I don't think BvS deserved the harsh criticism it got, but it still isn't a good movie.
300 is an embarrassment to humanity. Everything about it is cringe worthy from start to finish. This is how I feel watching 300:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2e7bX2oVlQ
>>70034326
I think DC friends should be all be sent to an asylum tbqh, and if there's no recovery in the first 5 years, just end their suffering.
>>70034285
(You)
>making movies so bad that liking them becomes a meme
BRAVO SNYDER
R
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>>70032246
Every time, why do they get so upset?
>>70034429
DCfags are the most sensitive fanbase in /tv/, almost Tumblrina tier.
It's way too tempting not coming here for the laughs.
>>70034455
You're not very bright are you?
>>70034491
Hey, i'm not the one wasting my time trying to change the opinion of the entire planet.
>>70034196
Yeah. That's a real big part of it. We've become so preconditioned to happy endings where the hero saves everyone and no one dies or is implied to actually be in any real danger that we collectively recoil from the notion of what a world inhabited with beings like this would be like. It would be scary. It would make you question your importance in the grand scheme. The most personally heroic thing this character is going to do is find a way to reach past that and establish a rapport with humanity as not an alien god, but as a man, a hero, and a champion for humanity, not the living embodiment of the futility of human achievement.
Even the way people fixate on Pa Kent's death speaks volumes of the emotional maturity of most of the people who watch and comment on these films.
>>70034546
>DC neckbeards knowing anything about emotional maturity when they think a superhero blockbuster has any kind of emotion apart from greedyness from the studios
You are not different from Marveldrones.
All capeshitters should be put down like the mindless dogs they are.
>>70034429
Snyder seems to severely trigger nu males.
>>70034615
But Snyder is a nu-male.
Must be so sad to be a DC friend.
Always fighting against everyone, alone, no one to help...
So sad.
>>70034615
why is he so BASED bros
>>70034597
And all fucking niggers must fucking hang, right?
Presupposing that a medium is inherently vapid speaks more to your own intellectual deficiencies than it does to anyone else's.
>>70034615
I'm not surprised. After all, their idols are Peyton Reed and Joss Whedon.
Seeing an alpha male like Zack Snyder causes them to remember how they were bullied by an alpha male and uncomfortable and lash out the only way they know how -impotently typing out hateful words on a Japanese jpeg board. Some, like Ant-Man director Peyton Reed when shown a statement from a capeflick rumor monger saying "DC directors can physically beat up Marvel directors," choose to withdraw into safe spaces instead. It's little wonder why /tv/ connects with Marvel more.
Snyder directs in sweatpants and Under Armour wristbands.
If that's not badass I don't know what is. Nerds can't stand that an alpha auteur is in control of their products, and he's elevating them to heights their puny brains can't comprehend. They can't stand that someone who appears on the outside as a manchild with a comic book fetish, is pushing the medium further than they thought possible.
Snyder, Affleck, and Cavill get the bitches and gays all juicy. They are just ripe with raw sexual energy. This offends the virginal fanboi. MoS and BvS deal with emotional issues and belief systems in a mature way. This doubly offends the fanboi, who is stuck in perpetual adolescence. They can't process or register mature emotions. And people hate what they don't understand.
>>70034877
HOGEITAZAZPI
>>70034710
should have posted jonathan evans
>can't tell who's sincere and who isn't
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>>70034710
>>70034920
>>70034877
>the age of the nu-male is here, rip chad
Snyder is the hero we need.
>>70028735
Snyder is a cuck tbqh.
>>70034227
>Watchmen: Haven't seen it yet.
You should. Remember to watch the Director's Cut though (not the Theatrical or Ultimate Cuts).
>>70032607
given what we've heard from the ultimate cut, this will probably be true
>>70028735
>posts one bad adaptation and three bad movies
>Zack Snyder is the best comic book director
Hah! Unless you're memeing, that is absolute shit taste right there!
>>70030465
haha. It makes perfect sense that someone defending Snyder, or any comic book movies, would have trouble understanding such basic statements.
You probably don't even understand what "character development" is.
>>70032015
I will eat shit even if it other people warn me it's a turd. I have to try it for myself after paying for it ofc.
Snyder is a God
Justice League will be his last movie though. Maybe for a long time too
>>70035947
Another substanceless retard.
>>70036033
Yes capeshitter, your superhero flicks have a lot of substance.
Don't you see those ''Film student's first project'' shots?
people hate what they don't understand.
>>70036249
Snyder must hate superheroes then.
>>70034877
this is correct
>>70036309
i'm a dc-cuck but that is savage
>>70036309
#rekt
>>70036386
You're certainly a cuck
>>70036309
>>70036386
>>70036403
samefag triggered by Snyder
>>70036449
>two posts less than a minute away from each other
>samefag
lmao
>>70030637
>>70028735
>>70036897
>''Dr. Banner, i'm USA.''
God-tier superhero film coming through
>>70037223
the greatest.
>>70028735
Agree
>>70037223
>le garbage eating face :^)
Stale meme
>>70037223
Is it behind the fat chick?
>>70039103>>70039117
upvoted
