What are some REALLY good film noir?
Also ones that have aged well.
>>70014869
Strangers On A Train has aged well in my opinion. Also The Killing and Touch Of Evil.
The Big Sleep, anything else with my boy Humphrey Bogart
in a lonely place & laura are v good
>>70015237
strangers on train isnt really film noir thou bruh bruh
>>70015296
make sure u check out key largo too, it doesnt get the kind of rep the big sleep & the maltese falcon does but its just as good really
>>70015269
plenty of these didnt age well. high sierra cmon
The Maltese Falcon
>>70014869
"Out of the Past"
"Double Indemnity"
"Touch of Evil"
>>70014869
>Also ones that have aged well
>aged well
when will this retarded buzzterm die? Kill yourself faggot
>>70015706
>strangers on train isnt really film noir thou bruh bruh
Well I would consider it film noir. It's a crime movie where the main character lives in a threatening and nihilistic world.
>>70014869
REALLY good noir:
Touch of Evil
Sunset Boulevard
M
Sweet Smell of Success
The Night of the Hunter
>>70016676
it uses film noir elements fasure
>>70016881
>M
This isn't noir; it was made before the style became identifiable and isn't even American!
>>70017970
You're really gonna bitch about what is and isn't film noir when there literally isn't an accepted, concrete definition of film noir to begin with?
>>70016297
>Double Indemnity
probably the film noir that has aged the best, along with the Maltese Falcon
>>70014869
I always post these two in threads like these but two classic film noir which fly relatively under the radar are DOA and The Big Clock. They're not obscure by any means but they're just two that generally don't get mentioned as much as some of the others. They make a great double feature.
>>70015269
Key Largo!
>>70018200
Absolutely. The prototypical ageless film noir. Phenomenal cast, beautiful photography, gripping story.
>>70018142
It's an American - genre isn't really the right word - film movement? that was only identified afterwards, generally having a pessimistic worldview, often involving stories of crime, doomed heroes, femme fatales, and using stylistic elements from German expressionism. For me the key is American and reflecting post-war unease.
>>70018386
but p much every director of them was european
>>70018772
That definitely is an important element that led to the style.
>>70019598
right. so to say it was an american movement........
plus the third man is film noir & thats british
>>70019844
It's an American-British co-production.
>>70019972
where do you draw the line?
& its definitely not hollywood
night of the hunter. but I guess that's technically more post-german expressionism or whatever
>>70016881
M and The Night Of The Hunter aren't noir
>>70020229
night of the hunter is noir
>>70020071
>>70020229
>>70020254
which is it
Paul Masson-core
The Third Man
The Lady From Shanghai
Compulsion
The Stranger
>>70020297
noir
>>70020376
true but the stranger was p bad
>>70020254
if the night of the hunter is noir, every b&w movie is noir, because the night of the hunter doesn't have the characteristics associated with noir
>>70020495
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Night_of_the_Hunter_(film)
>>70020018
I'd say it has to have some American element.The Third Man has American actors and characters and concerns an "innocent" American in Europe where things aren't so clear cut.
I'd say films from the classic noir period are what I think of as noir, but there are other films made later or earlier or in places other than Hollywood that have elements of noir which I wouldn't call noir. Maybe euro-noir, neo-noir, etc.
>>70020542
http://filmsnoir.net/film_noir/the-night-of-the-hunter-1955-not-noir.html/
>>70020495
>murder
>dark overtones
how rigid a definition are you giving film noir?
>>70020576
but u just said it doesnt have any of the characteristics associated with noir. besides, what does this guy know, lookit the comments bruh bruh
>>70020564
o great so we're splitting hairs here thanks for wasting my time anon lmao
>>70020590
>murder
>dark overtones
that describes horror and thousands of non noir films
>>70020699
I didn't say it doesn't have any of the characteristics, I said that it "doesn't have the characteristics" of film noir, which I know that sounds ambiguous but what I meant was that it doesn't have enough noir characteristics
being b&w, dark, and featuring murder isn't enough to classify a film as noir
Thread music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zl5vpy__dQ
>>70020802
anon dont backpedal so fast youll hurt yrself. did you even read the wikipedia article, or even the blog post u sent which notes more characteristics.
which characteristics is it missing then?
>>70020853
why not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8jN1treRKQ
>>70020576
I don't understand this mentality of trying to make genres narrow, they're inherently loose and fluid. This bitching over minor conventions is so incessant and autistic. For every noir convention you can claim is "necessary" to be considered noir you can EASILY find a film generally accepted as noir that doesn't have or follow it to the letter.
Only thing more obnoxious are hard sci fi fans that claim anything that isn't scientifically accurate belongs in the fantasy genre.
>>70020944
its just discussion anon go wait in the car
>>70020874
is Los Olvidados a noir film then?
It is dark, in b&w, and features murder.
>>70021022
p sure i asked u a question anon
>>70021052
it lacks the femme fatale
the detectives
the moral ambiguity
the city, guns, bets, alcohol
the unhappy ending
now tell me
is Los Olvidados a noir film?
>>70020853
Amazing, I will be buying their albums
Seems like great music to listen to while sipping bourbon and thinking wistful thoughts
>>70021109
whos the femme fatale in key largo? what abt the happy ending in gilda. and night of the hunter technically has guns and detectives. youre flagging
>>70014869
Kiss Me Deadly is the greatest of all noir, this is a fact
Looking forward to Noirvember
>>70021222
Try sleeping with it too. You get some truly fucked up dreams.
What is the best Philip Marlowe adaptation
>>70021285
well, there might be guns and detectives, but I certainly don't remember them and they certainly have no big part in the story unless you are referring to the shotgun, which is not a characteristic of noir.
Now tell me, why isn't Los Olvidados a noir?
>>70021468
lmao im not answering your bait question dude
besides i havent seen it
do i look like the sort of palooka who watches bunuel films
>>70021512
it's not a bait question
Los Olvidados is as dark as The Night of the Hunter, even darker because it is realistic, features crime, is in b&w, is from the golden era of noir but nobody considers it noir. The Night of the Hunter is a gothic expressionistic fairytale with no moral ambiguity, mostly in a non-urban setting, with no femme fatale and many other noir tropes that for some reason has been grouped with the noirs, wrongly in my opinion.
>>70015237
strangers on a train isn't noir
what was the title of one bogarth film where hes a screenwriter whos being accused of murder but no-one knows did he commit it
>>70021816
in a lonely place
blue dahlia is great
>>70021816
In a Lonely Place, one of my all time favorites
Do you think this effect at 2 minutes in is a reference to Dark Passage?
https://youtu.be/coFufx4Vt3o
>>70021941
https://youtu.be/u3vnFHHEye4
For reference
>>70021805
Why not?
>>70022126
Yeh, looks that way, anon
>>70021698
whadda ya want from me. maybe it is film noir. or maybe that other guys theory that is has to be american is right after all. breathless is has literally every characteristic of noir but generally isnt considered it.
>>70021353
Any other groups/artists you'd recommend that sound straight out of a neo-noir film?
>>70021698
>dark as The Night of the Hunter
implying
Dream Noire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0pP66O9VN0
Late night bump
Asphalt Jungle is great
How do I make film noir on a budget
>>70021301
This.
>>70021370
The Big Sleep.
L'Ascension du Chevalier Noir
>>70021370
The Long Goodbye
