>Charles Roven, the veteran producer who has worked on every DC Comics movie at Warner Bros. since 2005’s Batman Begins, is no longer producing certain DC movies, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.
>Talks are underway to have Roven — who was a producer on Zack Snyder's Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, as well as the recently completed Suicide Squad, next year's Wonder Woman and Justice League — segue to a different role going forward, likely that of an executive producer who is not involved in day-to-day production.
>The move comes as Warner Bros. continues to scrutinize its DC movies in the wake of BvS’s so-so performance at the box office and chilly reception from audiences. The movie, released March 25, wrapped its run with $871 million worldwide with a production budget of at least $300 million. While Warners insists the pic will be profitable, it was meant to kick off the studio’s DC cinematic universe with a billion-dollar bang, but instead was met with an unenthusiastic response from fans
Jesus fuck, this film has caused so much shit to happen
>>70001863
WB pushing DC is the equivalent of that one episode of spongebob where he nearly kills gary to compete with squidwards snailand in the end dark horse wins with Hellboy 3
fucking had this thread already
and this shit is nonnews
all of you people are cancerous
>>70001863
>Why are you producing some of the DC movies and executive producing others?
DEB We just can't physically be everywhere. It's hard enough that Wonder Woman is shooting and we've been finishing [Batman v. Superman], so [producer] Chuck Roven is over there.
Illiterate pleb
inb4
> Geoff [ensures] we’re doing things that are true to the canon because he knows everything about these characters. And Jon Berg is our executive on all the films, and then obviously Greg [Silverman] was our executive when we first came to Warner Bros., so we’ve always worked with Greg.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/batman-v-superman-married-creative-874799
>>70002140
>he believes studio pr
>>70001863
>DC: BvS bombed. Who do we blame?
>NOT SNYDER
>they remove cinematographers
>they remove a veteran producer
>they piss off lead actors and directors in their branch-off titles
Warner Bros really can't do anything right with the DCEU.
>>70002295
>he doesn't know
We've been over this. Deborah Snyder is the reason Zack is still in and people got fired
>>70002295
They didn't remove the cinematographer. Larry Fong is best bros with Snyder. It was a scheduling conflict and he personally vouched for the new guy.
Can anyone give the link to the previous thread ?
>>70002295
>>70002333
>based
>>70002547
anon is still mad after 2 months coz he lost it in the previous thread,
>>70002333
deborah got hired with zack, she didn't get him the job nor is she responsible for it
you people are just as bad as the mouse conspiracists
>>70002295
>I don't understand how contracts work
Snyder signed on for MOS BvS and JL Part 1 (not sure about 2) likely all at once. WB can't just fire him on a whim now without risking an expensive lawsuit in the process.
What they CAN do, however, is interfere with the actual production side of things such as script, casting, editing and final cut approval. And once his contract's up, it's safe to say he won't be hired againunless JL turns out to be a massive success.
>>70002295
I'm not defending Snyder but it's unfair to lay the blame of a whole movie on just one person. The people removed probably deserved it just as much (if not more) than him. This could be a blessing in disguise.
>>70002295
They can't can they Snyders. WB were stupid enough to give the Snyder's production company every movie. It's not as simple as getting a new director. They'd need to redo everything from the ground up
>>70003195
>They'd need to redo everything from the ground up
There's nothing wrong with the tone/mythology behind DCEU (in fact it's one of its biggest strengths). They just need someone better skilled than Snyder to execute it. Hopefully Suicide Squad will set a better example for the rest of the franchise.
>>70003533
No, not tonal/myth/whatever. It's cause it'd all the pre-prod shit would be under the Snyder's company. They'd end up in a lawsuit over it
>>70003605
I'm fine with Snyder being in charge of the "visual" side of things. It's about only thing he's genuinely good at. Just keep him away from the script and directorial duties.
>>70002295
Snyder looks so depressed and just all the time like he's a step away from suicide and that all that keeps him alive is capeshit. I think they're just afraid to give him the boot.
Guys. Get it through your thick-ass-fucking-heads. Capeshit is a memeride. It; and everyone involved, will continuously get BTFO on a daily basis and so will you if don't distance yourself from it. WAKE UP! GET OFF THE DAMN MEMETRAIN! Refine your damn tastes. Make /tv/ great again.
So a guy who held the same position for 11 years is changing to a different position with other tasks to take care of? Just looking at this from a career perspective it seems that would be pretty standard to move roles after 11 god damn years...
>>70001863
this is bullshit but marveldrones will love it
>>70001863
Warner Bros. needs to do more than just shift a producer around if they want the DC cinematic universe to succeed. I think the first, and most important step would be to dump Snyder. Literally Michael Bay would make a more competent Superman movie than Snyder. And I don't even think Snyder is a total hack, I think he made as good of an adaptation of Watchmen as what was possible from the source material.
>>70006573
>Philosophical political drama
>BvS
>>70001863
>Snyder has still not been fired.
>>70006573
>movie is poorly executed in every way
>but it has themes, that's means it's smart!
>>70006573
>@justice.league.memes
>This level of butthurt
>>70007203
>>70007142
>>70006779
just leave 'em alone
>>70006712
>bay is bad
>>70007258
like this one better
>>70006573
Rotten tomatoes used to be the kooky nerd sourced review site, and now it's become important it's a Disney shill site
Roven is also now 66 and heading towards retirement.
>>70007258
>>70007352
It's 27% in RT now.
This need to be updated.
>>70007442
JUST
>>70007464
A SECOND FRESH REVIEW!
>>70001863
>keep shifting everyone around
>canceling films
>directors dropping out
>still not dealing with the fundamental problem...
JUST FIRE THE SNYDER'S FOR FUCK SAKE! IS DC RUN BY GODDAM RETARDS?
FIRE THE FUCKING SNYDER'S!
>>70007377
>it's a Disney shill site
Owned by Warner Bros
>>70007258
>>70006573
>manchildren genuienly think there's thematic weight and intelligent ideas in their mass-produced conveyer belt products marketed to little kids
>literally men in spandex hitting each other
Now Marvel should shitcan Avi Arad, the fucking useless kike.
>>70007377
okay you have one opportunity to explain to me how a site that collects reviews from other sites, that presents no opinion of its own and is owned by warner brothers is a site that shills for disney
>>70007464
Did anyone think this all bad things keep happen to DC because God was ultimately mad at DC fans ?
I mean they are being so blasphemous by drawing the symbolism between the film and HIM, also that atheist guy in the pic just start to turn on him when praying for fresh review.
>>70005968
I don't even get how this is any real reflection of BvS. It just sounds like some dude who's been with the company for 11 years got promoted. Good for him
>>70007605
Genuine question, what would it take for you to accept a superman/batman movie did explore complicated themes? I'm not saying BvS does, but you have terrible logic.
It sounds like it wouldn't matter what anyone ever did, your mind would be made up, which is kind of sad and shallow.
>>70002295
Snyder has his claws in deep, they'd have to start again from the ground up to replace him, and by the time they start again the cape boom may have ended
>>70007730
>what would it take...
A good movie. TDK was praised for it's themes. It can be done. You just need a good director and a goods script.
Protip:Fire Zack Snyder
>>70007821
I will never watch anything else from DC, until they fire Snyder. They don't even care about making a good movie anymore, they just want that Michael Bay money. FUCK DC AND FUCK SNYDER. I hope Snyder is killed by a disgruntled superman fanboy at the grocery store.
>>70007877
>Snyder creates man of murder
>ends up murdered by a superman fan angry that he made him a murderer
It's like poetry
>>70007877
>they just want that Michael Bay money
and they can't even do that right.
>>70007926
>Snyder said he wants Batman to be raped
>Snyder gets raped by a grunted fan dressed as Batman
POETRY
>>70007926
TELL THAT TO ZACK'S SNAPPED NECK.
>>70007877
http://whatculture.com/film-tv/captain-boomerang-the-movie-warner-bros-rumoured-to-be-planning-suicide-squad-spinoffs
Apparently we will get Captain Boomerang: the movie.
>>70008116
Yeah right, and Jai Courtney's Australian
>>70008116
>giving a movie to Jai Courtney
It's like they want their movies to fail
>>70008116
I doubt they will make this. Suicide Squad is going to bomb. It doesn't even matter if it is okay or not, people aren't going to see it. DC is off-putting now.
>>70003020
JL is gonna be pure fucking kino lad. Batfleck is coaching Snyder and they can't possibly fuck it up any more now, can they?i hope :(!
>>70008764
>three terrible movies in a row
>still trusting DC
>>70008779
the third movie isn't even out yet fagoot
>>70008764
>2nd scene
>Batman is raped
Yeah, sure sounds like kino senpai
>>70008779
>three
Think higher
>>70008800
The 3rd movie was BvS faggot
The 1st was Green Lantern
>>70007442
It will.
Once the Extended Cut is released. :)
>>70008828
>Jonah Hex
>GL
>TDKR
>MoS
>BvS
>>70008828
Green Lantern isn't DCEU is it?
>>70008843
this. literally pure raw fucking kino is coming. even the kinonians won't be able to handle this much kinonery
>>70008857
It was when they released it
>>70001863
Well, it had an awful concept for plot, took itself far too seriously, and cast an Isis member as batman.
>>70008882
>Implying it won't drop to 12%
>>70008882
>kino this
>kino that
Do you even truly understand the true meaning of "kino" ?
>>70006573
>comic book movie
>not fun
That's the entire problem dipshit. Nobody wants to watch a super being dressed like a faggot wax political.
>>70007821
By that logic they should have canned the entire MCU after Iron Man 2. One or two bad films does not mean the end of a franchise as long as it continues to make the kind of money these films normally do.
>>70008687
>movie that looks fun with the Joker and Batman, directed by David Ayer and featuring Will Smith
>bombing
>>70007730
>complicated themes in comic book movies.
Go back to /a/ where the other man children will play pretend with you
>>70009007
Iron Man 2 is nowhere near levels of shit as BvS
>>70009066
>>70009007
>>70009007
Iron-man 2 wasn't "the best" but it was a still a decent movie. Sorry senpai.
>>70007952
Cast a popular Chinese actor for a non-speaking role and stage an action scene near one of their popular landmarks. Boom! Easy money.
>>70009066
Yes it was. I don't care what RT says, I wanted my money back as soon as saw it.
>>70008687
As someone who loved MoS and BvS, and isn't interested in SS. I know many people who didn't like BvS but are excited for suicide squad. They are going after the marvel audience and I think it will work since it's comedic, but doesn't have that family friendly vibe the marvel films do so films it's own niche.
It's the batman film for all those "trendy" batman fans
>>70009032
>implying people want to see that godaweful snyder batman and maymay le jokester
No fucking thanks
>>70009032
>suicide squad looks fun
No, it looks like it's trying to hard.
>>70009122
Batfleck was the only thing in BvS people liked and WB always gets the Joker right (Romero, Nicolson, Ledger, Mark Hamill)
>>70009121
>As someone who loved MoS and BvS...
Opinion discarded
>>70009121
Suicide Squad looks like it's trying for the Deadpool audience.
>>70007835
What themes did TDK explore?
>>70009042
>"I just want dumb simple shit"
And you call me a man child
>>70009164
>BUTTT BATFLECK IS THE LEAST SHITTIEST IN THE PILE OF GARBAGE
>AND MOMS GONNA FREAK
Yeah, go fuck yourself.
I only just got around to watching it now.
It really wasn't that bad, sure a bit of humor could have helped, but all in all it was bretty gud.
A lot better than Age of fucking Ultron
>>70009184
The war on terror, private survilleance just to name two
>>70009168
>comedic but without the family friendly vibe
Exactly
>>70009204
Shit bait is shit
>>70009197
Jesus you dont even have arguments just sad unfunny shitposting
>>70009235
Not even baiting, I literally finished watching it about 10 minutes ago.
I wasn't exactly about to go and pay to watch it in a theatre
>>70009244
>arguments
For what?
>>70009213
>war on terror
Did it?
>private surveillance
It barely touched on that at all. It definitely didn't explore it in any significant capacity. Just like many Nolan films it mentions it then immediately forgets about it.
>>70009121
>As someone who loved MoS and BvS
>>70009256
>>70009121
>As someone who loved MoS and BvS
>>70001863
>doing everything
>but firing Snyder
>>70009281
Don't throw your Reddit memes at me faggot.
I LITERALLY just watched it and thought it was a solid 7/10. From what I can see, it just seems like it became popular to shit on BvS just for the sake of it.
>>70009327
Sure thing kiddo
>>70009327
>>70009121
>As someone who loved MoS and BvS
>>70009275
Batman is USA fighting terrorists and getting shitted on by everyone for doing it is also similar to Team America
if you couldnt catch it then google it or watch the movie again before shitting on based Nolan
>>70009348
You're literally just shitposting, does it offend you that I think BvS wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be?
Or are you a Marvelshill and my comment about AoU spurred you into action?
>>70009184
I just want to be entertained by capeshit, if I want "dramatic themes" then I'll watch something that at least hired competent actors.
Asking for complex moral themes in a movie that caters to children and literally sells toys at gas stations is fucking dense. Grow up man, stop trying to make your childhood daydreams into social commentary for adults. You're the same kind of faggot that thinks an edgy Star Wars is cool. These are kids movies.
>>70009425
To be fair The Dark Knight Returns was a massive political commentary, and a lot of people were expecting something along those lines
>>70001863
Snyder is co-op'ing the role of Executive Producer with Affleck on the Batman stand-alone now (who is of course writer, director, and starring in), and with the reorganization WB did a little over a week ago, Snyder will have to report to Geoff Johns, who is in charge of the new DC Films sector of WB and doing the Rebirth event for the comics, in which the event is effectively calling out the bullshit Synder has been spewing for years. From what it sounds like they are trying to get Snyder to leave on his own terms while firing his cronies.
>>70003020
You can absolutely terminate someone's contract if their performance has not met standards that were layed out.
>>70009466
>The Dark Knight Returns was a massive political commentary
that largely failed to say anything substantive, yes.
>themes and commentary in Nolan movies
kek
>>70009373
>Batman is USA fighting terrorists and getting shitted on by everyone for doing it is also similar to Team America
Kek I hope you're just meming mate. Americans can't be this dumb.
>>70009466
It was also a boring shit festival that only lives on through le may mays
>>70009168
>All DC can do to salvage their tire fire is try to copy what Marvel does
sounds about right
>>70002739
Sure. Her position as executive producer doesn't mean anything
>>70009552
>>70009523
weak ass bait or maybe even capeshit is too much for your brain anyway I'm out. I'm not even american by the way
>>70009523
>>70009552
>I didn't like it so it's not relevant!
>>70009327I agree.
>>70009555
Deadpool isn't Marvel (MCU) though. It's probably more accurate to describe it as a "fluke" by Fox.
>>70009425
Why can't a movie do both? Hell why can't we have a more mature movie for once? Why does every capeshit have to brain dead childish shit?
There's what? Something like 16 marvel movies all just like that, plus the past superman and batman movies. Why do we need more?
I get that you want simple plots for children, but your spitting the dummy with your "my way or the highway" attitude is pathetic, that EVERY film has to the same is childish. I'm interested to see what a movie based on the idea of what might happen if someone like superman really existed, and I'll never understand what it makes people like you so assblasted.
>thinks edgy Star Wars is cool
I think it's all pretty crap, edgy or not.
>>70009621
>I would mount a defense of the largely shallow political commentary in a literal meme movie but I Have To Go™
>>70009504
The problem with something like a movie is that taste is entirely subjective. It isn't as simple as firing a plumber who doesn't do the job right because Snyder did everything he was hired to do. You can't force people to like no fun DC comics
>>70009773
Making believable drama out of DC is hard since all their main heroes are overpowered, boring shits. Marvel just went in the other direction and made them all Whedon banter delivery machines.
>>70009731
This guy is right, The Dark Knight proved that Capeshit can be marketed with more mature messages and still be successful.
Marvel movies are so popular because the target audience is made up of children and ironic nerds
>>70009827
Nolan movies are the definition of marketable "mature" content that have shallow as fuck plotting, awful dialogue and worst of all, an army of 20-something apologists.
>>70009504
I'm sure that the only "performance" that counts is a movie's box office gross. Love it or hate it BvS was NOT a flop despite all the hypothetical numbers people like to throw around regarding what it cost to make (hint: it's all Hollywood bullshit).
>>70009708
Fox has a distinctly different brand of capeshit, FirstClass/DoFP/Apo is a strong set up, with flaws and not the huge acclaim of an Avengers 1 but shooting in enough different directions to get a large aufience. Deadpool is clearly something else though since it's completly Reynolds baby (who shall now wear proudly the name of Deadpool and not Failed Green Lantern... or Failed Deadpool).
But DC is trapped in Nolan shadow, with a very specific audience who got tired of this shit 2 movies ago. They have to completly change, to find something else, to run away from the "grim realistic world" they try so desperatly to paint since Batman Begins.
>>70009904
Stop being a fucking contrarian
Batman begins was good
The Dark Knight was great
And The Dark Knight Rises blessed us with the most significant meme in history
>>70009930
Suicide Squad is the answer, WB should just do a Batman cinematic universe first and then build up but they dont have the patience
>>70009989
At this point, if Suicide Squad is anything short of a light-hearted comedy, it will fail.
>>70009930
>They have to completly change, to find something else, to run away from the "grim realistic world" they try so desperatly to paint since Batman Begins
I thinks they could have some success by going even darker, problem is that at it's core it's a genre of people in spandex hitting each other. They are also stuck in the mindset that "Batman sells", they should move to their more alternative titles.
A good Hellblazer or Sandman movie could be massive if they did it right
>>70009989
If SS fails to land even after the reshoots to make it more Marvel-esque, they'll be more internal shake-ups at WB to be sure.
>>70010016
based on what I saw on End of Watch, I'm sure Ayer can find the right balance
>>70010055
>reshoots
Yeah this always end well.
>>70002295
>DC: BvS bombed
>>70010162
It has. Getting people to go watch the movie isn't the problem, getting people to see the NEXT movie is.
>>70010161
Reshoots are fairly common for capeshit. DC/WB is just under more of a microscope since BvS was largely hated and it seems like they're changing the tone of SS as a way of aping Marvel.
>>70010025
It isn't the dark tone of the new film that is killing the franchise, its the fact that WB REALLY wants to play catch up to Marvel and have their own Superhero team but aren't willing to invest the time and money to actually introduce the team members to us. BvS had alot of good ideas going for it but you can tell that Snyder was trying to continue his Man of Steel while at the same time trying to rush in a brand new Batman that audiences are not familiar with on top of getting them to fight and then introduce the rest of the justice league all in the same movie. Civil War works because it focuses on the reason why the Avengers are fighting more than the actual fight itself. People care why Captain America and Ironman are fighting because we have been familiarized with the characters for almost a decade now. BvS just wanted to rush to have 2 characters that no one really cares about fight each other and it comes off like a Freddy vs Jason movie where all the director cares about is fight itself and not the reason behind it.
>>70009930
The "grim realistic world" does fit in with the comics though, but it's also much more difficult to write convincingly for the screen (even the comics are hit and miss in that regard).
I do think that WB's "filmmaker-driven" approach can be hugely successful under the right conditions, but it also opens up the possibility for much lower lows. I guess it really comes down to picking the right people for each film.
I will say however that I like that their movies are relatively self-contained (so far).
>>70010220
>picking the right people for each film
Casting isn't the problem, it lies upstairs...
>>70010220
Too bad their filmmaker-driven approach is what the main problem is so far. Any system that protects Snyder is shit.
>>70009121
>As someone who loved MoS and BvS
>>70001884
Not enough shit. Snyder is still in charge of directing Justice League.
>>70010055
>reshoots to make it more Marvel-esque
People need to stop perpetuating this meme. It's been widely reported that the reshoots not only occured BEFORE BvS was released, but that it's to add more action to the story.
I don't watch any DC or Marvel movies and I usually hide thread like these.
But man am I happy that capeshit is finally going into the trash, finally. It's like the zombie movies back in the day, you can push it only so much until everyone, including the normiest normie, becomes allergic to it. Finally.
A few more years of the invested leftover movies and it's gone. Yes.
>>70007961
>a grunted fan
>>70010290
You're suggesting Snyder is running the whole show which is quite frankly wrong. He's a dog on a leash that must answer to his bosses like any other director, and, judging by the reports of arguments on the set of Justice League, his leash just got a whole lot shorter.
I guarantee Justice League is almost entirely out of his hands at this point (for better or worse), his name on the credits notwithstanding.
>>70010400
Not all capeshit, just DC.
Mos and BvS were both great films, despite what the plebs are saying.
Certainly better than any of the infantile Marvel trash they're constantly producing.
>>70010400
Zombieshit didn't die out. It just moved onto TV and video games and is more alive (excuse the pun) than ever.
>>70010627
>Mos and BvS were both great films
>>70010627
Why can't I like both?Besides, Dark Horse is superior in every regard.
>>70010627
>Mos and BvS were both great films
>>70010720
>>70010794
Right, Xmen:Apo was way better
Despite the 4chan conspiracy to never talk about it for some reason.
>>70010817
>>70010817
>Right, Xmen:Apo was way better
It was though
>>70008779
>>70008806
>>70010902
Where was laughing Evans originally from anyway?
>>70010936
Then why is there hardly any thread on /tv/ while BvS and Civil still get tons of them ?
>>70010963
From that video of him and Renner calling Black Widow a slut
>>70010966
Because it's not out in America yet, dumbass?
>>70010995
>it's not out in America yet
Ah ? Why ? We got it here since a frigging week !
>>70010995
Also the screener is very decent
>>70010984
How long ago was it? There are people on /tv/ so sad they'll still be posting the thing ten years from now.
>51 posters
Oh boy! A whole 51 people are shitting on BvS! What a shit movie right bros!
>Laughingevans
>Rottenplebs.com
>"Dcuck"
Kill yourselves.
>>70001863
>it's another capeshit thread
>>70011039
Last year. During the AoU press tour
>>70011051
>>70011052
>>70011132
DCfags are so defensive, it's hilarious
>>70011132
Good to see you're doing your part, anon.
>>70011162
>wanting more capeshit threads on /tv/ to add to the 10 we have
>not seeing both the DC and marvel logo in that image
>picking a side in a battle between baby's first Jesus imagery and baby's first idea logical struggle
>>70001863
>it was meant to kick off the studio’s DC cinematic universe with a billion-dollar bang
Did WB actually say this
>>70008963
>implying more than 2 people know that, or care about it on /tv/
JUST
>>70011395
I always thought Linda's WW costume looked dumb as shit because of the diaper looking bottom with the way the design was but that one piece swimsuit is fucking MUH tier.
>>70001897
Hellboy 3 is confirmed?
>>70009121
>friendly family vibe
this is what all superheroes and comics movie should have, after all the main target of superheroes and comics are kids and teenagers
if you are a fan of superman, you are because of the old cartoons/comics... you cant start being a fan of a superheroe that kills entire cities at a low age
man of murder and bvs were made for old fans as a spinoff movie
>>70001863
what, I always thought executive producers were the ones on set involved in day-to-day production while producers just give money. Is it the other way round?
>>70006712
Watchman was all right but every movie after showed he was a one-trick-pony. Same visuals, same over-the-top usage of slow motion, same questionable cover songs of old classics in every movie after.
>>70011052
Is that from Singapore tv?
>>70008221
Why do people hate Jai Courtney so much? He was a goat bro in Spartacus. Surely in Suicide Squad he will turn the public's opinion of him around, like Channing Tatum eventually managed to do. R-right?
>>70008687
You're retarded. Normies are hyped as fuck about SS.
>>70011964
He's dull as shit
>>70011395
>>70009120
No it wasn't. I was disappointed at first as well but on the second watch it kinda grew on me. Better than Iron Man 3 at least, Shane Black should kill himself.
>People arguing with 16 year old sub 120 IQ marveltards about BvS
>>70010720
>3 years
>2 months
>anon still mad
>>70011732
Yes
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Nice bait OP,bumping your own thread
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rebbitor detected
