Will the upcoming Wheel of time series be better than Game of thrones?
That's setting the bar quite low
But Wheel of Time is shit to begin with so I don't know
There is literally no chance of it being better. The ingredients aren't there - people are raging so much about /got/ because of missed opportunities, but you have to create those opportunities to miss them and Jordan never did that.
Jordan can't write characters for shit, everyone is two-dimensional and the series is basically DBZ - 90% filler and then an epikku combattu at the end. If anything a TV adaptation could improve things
>>69908695
>Is going to cheaper
>But is more of a fantasy series, and needs more digital effects
>Eventually suffers from the same as GoT suffers from right now, which is 1000 different characters and not enough time to focus on any of them.
But at least it has an ending.
>>69908695
Do we need a thread about this hypothetical show every single night?
>fantasy world where men with power are corrupted crazy fuckwits who have to be tamed and "castrated" by women
>women are the only ones allowed to swing magic but they sometimes keep brainwashed male fighters as pets to tank small combat situations
>main characters constantly emasculated by Nynaeve and Moiraine
I absolutely CANNOT wait for the shitstorm on /tv/
>>69909480
>stop posting about Television & Film, why don't you contribute by spamming memes and daily pastas?
>>69909741
>being this much a sperg
>tugs braid
>>69908695
>high fantasy
>not Tolkien
Yeah no it's going to be shit.
>>69909800
Dumb frogposter
>>69909844
This show is gonna suck. Three of the books in this series could be cut out, and you would never even notice.
>>69909902
Of course it's going to suck, doesn't make you less of a retarded memester
>>69909946
>hating memes
You need to go.
>>69909338
Are there at least some great moments?
>>69910016
of course there are but scattered in 12 fuckhuge books, it's the monkeys writing Shakespeare principle
>>69908695
It will be worse like the Shannara show
wheel of time more like fucking deltora quest
Fuck Wheel of Time, do Earthsea.
>It's a Caemlyn falls to the shadow because Mat didn't read a letter for 6 books episode.
>>69910152
Patrician taste. You're the only other person I know to have read these.
>>69910016
yes, a few diamonds in huge piles of shit that are the books, and those few diamonds are what the fandom cling on for dear life to.
I just hope the trollocs don't look too fake.
>>69910016
great moments? too many fäm
>Strike on Shayol Ghul
>Hundred Companions go mad and Break the World
>Telamon butchers his family, does suicide by drawing too much One Power, creates world tallest mountain as his graves and splinters the earth
>The Breaking of the World
>First Trolloc attack on Eamons Field
>Shador Logoth
>Green Man, Aginor, Belthamel, Battle of Tarwins Gap
then it slows a bit down, but doesn't get boring until book 7-10
b2, Great Hunt, Battle of Falme, charge of Children of the Light, damane's in battle, Duel in the Sky
b3; fleeing Grey Hounds, figuring Sammael rules Illian, encountering Aiel for first time, Storming the Stone of Tear, Fights versus Bel'al, Killing of Ishamael, book introduces Balefire
b4; Rand learning more about One Power, Shadow attack Tear, Aiel Waste, Rhuidean prophecies, Fights for Two Rivers, Asmodean + Lanfear fights... proclaimed as "He Who Comes With The Dawn", meanwhile Nynaeve versus Moghedien
b5; Second Aiel War begins, War in Cairhien, formation of Band of the Red Hand, Battle of Cairhien, Shaidos keep attacking Westlands, Battle for Caemlyn, fight versus Rahvin, death and undeath, Moiraine vs Lanfear
b6; White Tower civil war, founding of Black Tower, Kidnapping the Dragon, BATTLE OF DUMAIS WELLS, Bend the Knee or Die (1000 pages)
b7; Rand vs Sammael, Rebel Aes Sedai start moving against Tar Valon, searching for Bowl of Winds? Ebou Dar stuff, Mat vs Ghoulam?
b8; Dragon vs Seanchan
b9; Cleansing of Saidin
b10; everyone discusses Cleansing of Saidin
b11; Semirrhage appears, Aes Sedai politics, Rand depressed, Shaidos messing in south, Last Ride of Malkier begins
b12; Invasion of Borderlands begins? Rand on Dragonmount, Balefiring entire Castle? Mat vs Seanchan? Fights vs Shaidos?
b13; fullscale invasion of borderlands, nations start falling, trollocs pour south, Tower of Midnight, Half of the Light in the World
b14... 1000 pages of final battle between good and evil..
hitting char limit here fäm
>>69910916
>autism
We have literally no idea what the hell you're referring to, bro. Zbimzbumz did the Heggay with the Mirifrax on the Jubjub and WASN'T THAT AWESOME?!?!
Like, sell it better. Specify. Describe.
>>69910992
upvoted
autism fantasy names I can look past. but looking past them, your post is empty
GoT can work on TV because a lot of it is just political intrigue and low fantasy stuff. They can save the budget for the few instances when monsters and magic actually show up. If they tried to do WoT like that it'd just look cheap as shit.
>>69910916
>1000 pages of final battle between good and evil
are you exaggerating or is there literally a fight that goes on that long?
>>69910992
read the books, I cannot remember everything about 14 large books...
let's say there is lot of stuff spread out through the books, even if b10 is lost cause, and 7-11 are bit worse than the others when it comes to moving the plot.
>tldr; a sheepherder from a random boring village begins quest to save the world from Shai'tan
there are quite many battles between people using physical weapons, and between channelers of magic and they kill each other quite lot.
each book has many moments of awesome, and less than awesome stuff, it is very big series
also sorry for my WoT autism, I usually manage it.
>>69909593
>not wanting to see Nynaeve get tamed by Lan's dick
>>69911155
no need for apologies, I appreciate your input.
>>69911150
certain book chapter in A Memory of Light is 190 pages long.
the 12th book was supposed to be called A Memory of Light, but it had to be split into THREE books because no one could print a book with over 2000 pages.
the final offensive of evil is spread over those three books, and the final big showndown happens in the last one.
basically the fight on the Fields of Merrilor takes about 400-500 pages, Fight on Slopes of Shayl Ghul 100-200 pages.
basically every characters from the 13 previous books who are still alive, come together for the big final fight between good vs evil, there are like half a hundred different POVs.
>>69911150
It's actually a war, not just one single fight. So many battles over a great deal of time, many fought at the same time in different places. It's a continent-spanning war with tons of battles and we actually don't even see most of them.
>>69911271
>basically every characters from the 13 previous books who are still alive, come together for the big final fight between good vs evil, there are like half a hundred different POVs.
that sounds kinda based. as well as a somewhat motivating reason to read the whole series.
>>69911272
>>69911271
is team evil just pure cartoon evil, or do they have some motive beyond "we're bad so we do bad things"? I don't mean meme-tier "you killed my father, prepare to die" necessarily
just so see how big the series is;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheel_of_Time#Books_in_the_series
WoT wipes the floor when it comes to sheer size.
it can be a good thing, there is lot of events, but there is lot of nothing happens stuff...
>>69911346
It SOUNDS good, but then you remember that Memory of Light wasn't actually written by Robert Jordan...
>>69908695
If they could make something as boring as GoT from 5 books work, they sure can do WoT as well.
>>69911410
basically, you have Creator (good god) vs Dark One (Shai'tan), who fight over the world
normal people worship the Creator, or the side of "Light", some people can be fanatics, most are just normal commoners
then there is the Dark One, who is chained outside reality, but through a minor "Bore", managed to spread his evil into the world. his secret followers hope to one day free the Evil into the world.
The champion of Light, is called the Dragon. His purpose is to combat the Dark One, and make sure he does not get free from his prison, so that he cannot destroy the world.
the series handles how the Dragon learns his powers and tries to figure out how to defeat the evil, whilst the followers of the Dark One do their best to kill the Dragon and his friends, so that on the day of Final Fight (Tarmon Gaidon), the Evil may win and take over the world.
The servants of the evil, Darkfriends, hope that the Shai'tan rewards them in the end. Many of them just hope to get glory and riches, others of them hope to become powerful.
some Darkfriends operate on village level and do minor nasty stuff, or report to superiors, who report to their superiors, etc.
the final boss level Darkriends are called the Forsaken, who are powerful magicians/channelers from an ancient era, and are far more powerful than any currently living channeler.
The Forsaken hope that the Dark One gives them power to rule over mankind, if they help Dark One to escape his imprisonment. To do this, they need to defeat the Dragon.
Then you have trollocs (orcs) and their commanders, Myrddraals (Nazgul? but in thousands) who control the evil armies that are sent to kill humans, enslave them and hurt the good guys.
honestly, there is too much to describe all the various evils/baddies of WoT in one post before I hit char limit again...
>>69911427
you can honestly cut 40% of the WoT content and not lose anything important
>>69911713
>*tugs braid furiously whilst drinking tea in a small room whilst describing the ornaments and the details of dresses*
yeah, I hate the women's dresses, but random political ramblings do add, IMO, to the worldbuilding.
people think GoT has lot of scheming, wait until they see Tar Valon's local Aes Sedai politics...
Game of Thrones "loans" from WoT stuff called "Daes Dae'mar" (Game of Houses), and it is said in the books that Daes Dae'mar is merely a copy of Aes Seda politicking.
>>69909593
I'm beginning to see why this was greenlighted and they decided to make a TV show of it.
>>69912045
yet, the mainchar is a male, who faces constant manipulation attempts from women.
having half a dozen women constantly trying to push him to do this or that almost makes him go mad at one point.
and as the plot advances, we get also male channelers to balance the female channelers.
but still, most of the world of WoT is very matriarchal. (which is why it is called fantasy :^) )
>>69909191
>That's setting the bar quite low
Fuck off
>>69911841
>Game of Thrones "loans" from WoT stuff called "Daes Dae'mar"
Both game of thrones and wot borrowed that from history
Also wot politiking is fucking terrible there is no subtlety, no betrayal and any character who might be an interesting enemy is flagged from books away as such.
Take verin; excellent black ajah antag possibilities, forced into it etc etc, and then she just exposition dumps and hands over a list with all the spies on it.
>>69913185
well, some Cairrhien and Tairen nobles betray Rand at various points, then there is the Black Ajah, random Tar Valon politics, random Salidar/rebel Aes Sedai politics...
but you are right, the world is more divided into good vs evil than ASOIAF.
is some "grey", like Children of the Light, Tar Valon, and Seanchan (from Rand POV), but even then they are no truly "evil".
>>69913539
>Betray rand
>Absolutely nothing of any consequence ever really occurs because the main characters powers is literally plot armour
>Children of light
>Grey
No, they're good but misguided, then their leader gets kill and they're bad and led by a darkfriend who rapes people, then that leader gets killed and they're back to being good
>Tar Valon
Everyone who was bad was eventually "revealed" to be black ajah or manipulated by one
>Seanchan
Again, everyone who was explictly evil was manipulated by darkfriends, once they're out of the way they stop doing bad things and come and help
The only fun bit is the future section that implies that everyone gets invaded anyway
>>69912676
He's not lying. GoT is only praised because most other 'fantasy' is even more generic, and the few things that aren't are so weird they wouldn't be adapted for a mainstream audience like this.
>>69913781
well yeah, it is epic fantasy, good vs evil, not some grey noble house feuding like Martins
plot armour is strong, nothing surprising, but various characters still die (Moiraine, Egwene, Gawyn, Birgitte). However the show might be better, if they maybe kill some important chars earlier, and move their plot lines to some others in later seasons. (do they need everyone who is in book aMoL in the show end too?)
But still, there at least is some opposition to Rand, not everyone is full of joy over the prospect of a new Dragon coming. Good people too oppose the Dragon and the Dragonsworn, for good reasons. (Last Aiel War, all previous Dragonsworn wars, male channelers always going mad)
Only time will tell how the Good vs Evil fantasy succeeds in television format.
>>69911410
It is "we're bad so we do bad things." There is one mildly interesting bad guy. The continent everything happens on has prophecies pointing out things the savior of the world has to do. About halfway through the series, a huge contingent from another continent lands on the main continent. They have generally the same prophecies but with one huge difference. The savior of the world needs to kneel to the empress of this other continent.
Robert Jordan also tries to throw in a meager amount of political intrigue and form relationships between different countries but it all falls flat. At the end of the day, the introductory paragraph on its wikipedia page should read "The Wheel of Time is a fantasy series about an obvious good fighting against an obvious bad."
I love the series due to Stockholm Syndrome but I'm really hoping the TV show adds some much needed depth to it all.
anyone with WoT images? I don't have enough prepared for all the shitposting wars to time
>>69908695
WoT was garbage. We can only hope that it isn't faithful to the source material.
>It's a damane episode
It's on CW. What do you think?
There is so much that could go wrong - shit casting (with added diversity for the PC Police), gurrl powerrr scenes ramped up to eleven, addition of even more pointless, meandering plot lines, cutting ANYTHING from Based Matt's chapters... The list could go on forever.
The best case scenario - very unlikely - would be a showrunner who loves the books but loves common sense more. This means cutting a lot of overdrawn, meandering plotlines *cough* Faile kidnapped by the Shaido *cough*, making female characters much less insufferable, removing tertiary characters where it makes sense and so on.
Plus they need to figure out how to show the magic well, otherwise the entire thing falls apart.
No easy thing, that's for sure.
>>69918359
source?
also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_CW
if wikipedia is to be trusted, we will get maximum dose of girl power and feminism...
as long as they do not butcher the fight scenes, I will survive...
>>69909593
>nearly all of the cunty women are tamed by the power of the dick
>the purpose of literal femnazi faction of magicians are made redundant in the last 1/4 of the story
>a nation that enslaves female magicians as brainwashed weapons
Yeah, nah
>>69918511
Borderlands, white
Central nations, whitish
Southern state, Mediterranean-Latino looks
Seafolk, getting darker
Seanchan, Blacks a lot (royal dynasty is black)
Seanchan Empire basically reaches from northern pole to southern pole, they should have every version of skin tanning represented
as long as they keep Two Rivers, Andor, Cairhien and Borderlands white, and Aiels as tall but not black... they cannot go too wrong with PoC...
Asians come from Shara
they do not need more gurrrlll powerr, the whole fantasy setting reeks of it, Aes Seda, Village Council, female rulers, matriarchal societies, Aiel Wise Ones, the Kin, suldamane and damanes... Amyrlin...
the amount of MALE rulers is quite minimal... Rand? Perrin, some borderlands?, former king of Illian, Children of Light?
Heck, aren't there even more female Forsaken than male ones?
the only non-feminist thing will be that Dragon Reborn is the strongest channeler and a male, which still might upset some feminists.
I haven't read the books, but from what I've been hearing there are large portions of filler where the characters are wandering around doing jack shit so hopefully they can cut all that out
>>69918938
bretty gud
also, will there be an outrage because the most devilish, sadistic and brutal Forsaken, Semirrhage, is black?
>>69909191
edgy
>>69918783
>from what I've been hearing there are large portions of filler where the characters are wandering around doing jack shit
So it's just like Game of Thrones.
I wonder if they'll have the brains and the balls to revise Sanderson's books and research Jordan's notes instead.
I refuse to believe that Androl and Hinderstrap were Jordan's creations - they are glaringly against the tone of the previous books.
>>69919089
The most powerful ruler in the entire series is also black so it evens out
Best underrated character that doesn't need a whole lot of character development.
>>69919197
Androl is a minor char from the last book, who gives a fuck
IF the show ever gets as far as aMoL, they can do whatever the fuck they want with Androl
the char exists because Brandon wanted to have a chance to write about the magic/One Power, he loves that. It was good, but didn't really affect the book a lot.
>>69919263
yeah, but seen only first in book 8-9?
there will be outrage because they dare to start from a common bland Medieval looking white village where they have English sounding names.
>>69919329
Gareths dick calming Siuan down finally after all those books was one of the better scenes in the books when it came to relationship drama
worth suffering through book 10
also he is like the only char with balls enough to argue with Egwene, who has no clue about military stuff yet attempts to micromanage the army and command it, even though he has one of the best general who could do much better
>>69910016
A battle so metal that the winners get PTSD from how gruesome it was and end up going insane.
>>69908695
Probably not, it'll probably be TV-14 trash like Shannara.
Malazan series following the Bridgeburners POV would be better than either by a long shot.
>>69909464
But there are neither beginnings nor endings to the Wheel of Time.
>>69919197
Androl was Jordans creation that was introduced before TGS
>>69909593
>Actually thinks Wheel of Time isn't a male power fantasy
>Ignores how most of the female villains are basically sexually attractive women who all end up getting their comeuppance, usually involving slavery
>Ignores that even the "Good" women (who are written in horribly unsympathetic POV chapters which make them ridiculously annoying to read) get humbled by the men constantly in the books.
I'm male and support trolling extreme feminists, and even I can see how fucking sexist Robert Jordan was against women. Grow eyes.
Then again, it'd be nice to actually see a show unafraid to have some villainesses with tits in it.
>>69908695
People like Game of Thrones because of the politics. Wheel of Time is just autistic DnD magic fantasy homebrew so no it won't be as popular, fall off to oblivion and abandoned after 1 season
>>69919900
>People like Game of Thrones because of the politics
>>69908695
does it cut out all the sex, rape and violence because "muh feminism" if so then no it cant beat got season 1-2-3
>>69910152
>>69910433
the anime is decent desu
>it's a Mat gets raped until he likes it episode
>>69919970
Yes, the politics, and Tyrion's quips and the 'controversial' plot twists which the Wheel of Time lack
Who will be cast for the main roles?
Say what you will about WoT being a high fantasy classic "good vs evil" story, at least Rand is a nice deconstruction of the chosen one... man, that guy goes through some shit. Honorary mentions to Mat as well
>>69920200
It's not lacking anything. Maybe the plot twists are just too subtle and fast paced for you to comprehend. Every scene with the "Grey Fox" is like that.
>>69920429
>man, that guy goes through some shit
Yeah, I'd go fucking mad too if I had three women hounding after me.
>>69920486
To be honest, Elayne is a spoiled brat. Min I would tap with the force of a 1000 suns though. But totally not worth the non stop shit he has to endure, especially due to his so called allies
>>69920532
I'd have said fuck off to all of them, including Lanfear.
>>69920295
better yet, how many actors will they have to find to fill 1000-2000 different named character roles?
http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Category:People
>>69920552
>including Lanfear
Because that worked wonders for Rand
>>69920595
It's not like she actually liked him or loved him to begin with. She was only ever after power and wanted to keep Rand under her thumb.
>>69920431
Yes but that doesn't mean the normies who are what made GoT successful are going to have the attention span or the IQ to get those 'subtle' twists
>>69920681
Was she a ladder climbing sociopath only interested in power? Certainly. Would I tell one of the most powerful mages of all time to fuck of,without having a proper education myself/plan/backup. Unlikely
>>69920753
>tfw there are still show watchers that think Jon is Neds kid
>>69920890
>implying Ned isn't Jon's kid and Jon isn't Bran's kid
>>69918761
>that pic
>A scene like that never happened
>mfw
>>69913881
Season 1 was legit great television in all aspects
is there any Aes Sedai who does not tamed by a man?
>Nynaeve calms down thanks to Lan
>Siuan calms down thanks to Bryne
>Moiraine falls for Thom
In a world of stronk womyn matriarchy, strong males keep taming girls left and right?
>>69918761
>Borderlands, white
But that'd be wrong. The Saldaeans are described as Mongolians, and the Domani are described as "copper skinned" they're more like pre-islam Arabs.
Tear is like Spain with elements of Indochina (Bamboo and the hats that peasants wear), Altara is like Italy.
The Aiel are also distinctly white, tanned, but with white colorings, light eyes and red and blonde hair mostly.
>>69920295
Keille Shaogi is my waifu.
>it's a Nynaeve saves everyone for the 10'th time episode
>>69921379
okay, Jordan really went weird with skin colours
using amount of sunshine cannot then be used to explain variations of skin colour, unless the map is rotated in a way which puts Doman somewhat more south...
I never noticed Faile looking "Mongolian"?
sure, the Borderland traditions might involve cavalry warfare and strong winters, but I assumed they were white tanned.
>"Saldaeans have bold, prominent noses and slightly upturned, almond-shaped eyes. While as ferocious in battle as any of the Border nations, their equestrian skills are undoubtedly superior; no other nation in Randland can match Saldaea for her famed and effective use of light cavalry. Saldaean soldiers often carry serpentine swords. Saldaean men usually have long mustaches. "
>>69921492
>*tugs braid*
>>69908695
No, GoT at least had much better quality source material.
WoT should be movies anyway.
>>69921163
See that is the thing that people do not understand about the series. It is not about male or female power. It is about how the two genders have to work together to form a greater whole. If this series was done correctly, it would be a wonderful commentary on both the perils of patriarchy as well as the consequences of radical feminism that pushes too far in the other direction.
The setting for the story is a world where men LITERALLY destroyed the world with their magic thousands of years ago. Now men who use magic are locked up, killed, etc if they are discovered. But thousands of years has turned that hate of male magic users into looking down at men as a whole, in several countries this has lead to women being the rules. Not to mention that the ones who are really pulling the world's strings, the Aes Sedai, are all women. Now while Nynaeve is protective of the young men in her village, she still thinks of them as lesser. Not in a hateful way, but in a way where it is known that women are inherently smarter than men.
The Aes Sedai who get "tamed" are good ones. They lose the anger towards men that exists within them when they fall in love.There are several other examples in the books. But it goes beyond just finding someone to fuck in your tent at night.
"Sarah" is a classic example of what is wrong with the Aes Sedai system and what it does to the mindsets of young girls who train to be them. She loves "John". Why? He looks handsome and seems to basically worship her. However, while they claimed to love one another, they were never truely honest with one another about many things. Because of this "John" ends up going on a self-assigned suicide mission which leads to his death, mentally scarring "Sarah" which many would argue lead to her own death shortly afterwards. This shows the consequences distrust.
tldr; These women are not tamed, they are made more wise by loving/understanding someone of the gender they were raised to see as inferior.
>>69920681
The submissive is the one in control of a dom relationship.
>>69921748
Fuck the character limit can be a bitch sometimes
>>69909999
That picture is top kek.
>>69908695
Been rewatching Battlestar Galactica and I gotta say that it blows GoT out of the water, would much rather have a remake of that.
>>69921597
The breaking of the world rearranged the shape of the planet and scattered groups of people all over the world. They might not have settled down where the climate would originally produce their skin color.
You do realize that skin color, eye color, etc are all obsolete adaptations to the environment once people learned to adapt their environment to them right?
Like, you don't need white skin to live at high latitudes, once you learn what foods you need to eat to get your vitamin D from.
You don't need black skin to live in tropical climates once you learn how to use shelter, clothing, sunscreen, and other protective garb to shield your skin.
A Wheel of Time takes place thousands of years after an age of legends which was an advanced society with flying transportation, true they used the Power to do everything rather than technology, but the Age that was before the Age of Legends, the First Age, was actually supposedly our own modern planet earth. Legends from the First Age include Lenn the man who traveled in the belly of an Eagle of Fire into space (Referencing John Glenn, an Atronaut who orbited the earth), and his daughter Salya, who walked amongst the stars (Sally Ride), and the Giants Mosk (Moscow) and Merk (America) who waged a war with lances of fire that could reach around the world (ICBM's)
So basically.. geography has no bearing on skin color in Wheel of Time because this isn't talking about indigeonous people who've always lived in those regions.
>>69921597
also, the hooked nose shape they describe, the *tilted* almond shaped eyes, the long drooping moustaches, more Mongol sounding than white.
>>69921946
>>69921597
This breaking of the world arguement is very true. There is even a section in the 4th book explaining why these white skinned Aiel are living in the desert.
>>69921748
>>69921163
To expand on my comment, the Aeil have wise ones that are their equivalent of the Aes Sedai. However, they all had roles in society prior to become Wise Ones, in sharp contrast to the Aes Sedai school of Witchcraft and Wizardry. Many have also had children prior to becoming Wise Ones.
>>69921946
>>69922020
well, true
but still, skin colour would over time start adjusting to the demands of local climate, especially over 3000 years.
Aiel might remain white because they shelter from the sun, but northerners would start producing less melanin over time, because there is less demand against scorching sun
whiter pigment allows body to produce more vitamins, IIRC, but again, this is a fantasy setting, so anything might be possible.
basic sun affecting skin logic would still say that people in north have somewhat whiter skin than in south.
>>69922090
basically, the way that makes sense to me is that, in the age of legends, you had pretty much a multicultural society, people were Traveling all over the world, flying around in Jocars, etc.
Then the Breaking happened, a lot of people died, all the male channelers were killed, a lot of technology lost, but the basics like what to eat, how to make shelters and clothings, survived so that people could survive their environment.
So you had extended families uprooted, scattered around, they settled down wherever they thought was safe, There were probably only a few million people left in Randland at least, maybe only thousands.
They settled down when the catastrophes uprooting everything settled down, just wherever they felt safe, started breeding, amongst their extended family.
So.. eventually you recreate civilization, with people having similar traits, because of geographic isolation, establishing nations that have similar traits.
Kind of like today, but without the environment itself being a factor in what traits were successful.
>>69922234
Inuits have dark skin despite living in extreme latitudes because they ate foods with high amounts of Vitamin D like Seal and Whale blubber (Vitamin D is fat soluable)
The sun isn't necessarily a pressure on survival if man learns other ways to adapt.
>>69921789
When it's consensual, yes.
Lanfear has no interest in actual consent if she can force herself on you.
>>69908695
literally skip every female perspective chapter for a better reading experience i mean quiet literally to literally do that
>>69921748
yeah, which is why all the Age of Legends great feats required both genders, both saidin and saidar.
Rand needs Nynaeve for both Cleansing of Saidin and for Shayol Ghul.
3000 years of hunting down men who are unlucky enough to channel has left its mark on society. Women are those who hunt the dangerous men down.
However mighty a king, he still has to bend before the Amyrlin. Even Artur Hawkwing never won against Tar Valon.
anyway, I hope it becomes a good series that might calm down some feminazis over time
>Rand telling Cadsuane; "Call me Rand Sedai"
>>69922380
>blows out his moustaches
>knuckles his forehead
post yfw "Asha'man, kill!" is done faithfully and people's heads start exploding like crushed rocks
>>69922644
I could die happy
>>69922644
I can only dream that Dumai's Wells is done right.
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNnhhejBkW8
ALLAHU AKBARR
>>69918703
>a nation that enslaves female magicians as brainwashed weapons
MAXIMUM BONER
>>69923589
those who are made damane, slave channelers, are those rare females who happen to be born able to channel, and start channelling naturally
however, the Seanchan do not know, that to control a damane, you need sul'daman, a female with the capability to learn to channel.
Say, 1/1000 can LEARN to channel, but only maybe 1/100.000 is BORN with the ability to channel.
It is basically one group of females enslaving others, because they assume that women who can channel magic (saidar) are evil and need to be controlled.
Meanwhile in the rest of the world, both women born with the ability and those who can learn it, are made into channelers through training. Seanchan do not do so, but rather assume that the two groups are different and refuse to acknowledge that suldamane are also channelers (but who have not been trained to channel by themselves)
if I failed to explain it:
http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/A'dam
>>69924046
This is no way they're gonna put this on tv. The normies would have them killed.
>>69919446
and the losers explode
>>69924285
females enslaving females?
in an empire ruled by a black empress?
The Seanchan Empire might have a population of 10 million, 50% females, of which maybe you have 50k women who could learn to channel (but do not) and taught to enslave ~5k poor women who happened to be born with the ability to channel.
The society runs on this slave labour, with the damanes doing magical stuff, acting as human weapons to great and brutal effect.
The army organization is based on damanes being the "nukes" on battlefield (in rare case of civil war, or invading Westland - home of the major chars). A thousand male soldiers armed with weapons can do shit when facing a damane that is magically channelling firebombs, shattering the earth or simply wiping them out with a variety of complex weaves of magic.
In the entire series, nothing compares to a powerful damane trained in the art of destruction when it comes to warfare.
In Westlands (Randland, or where events take place), women who channel become respected Aes Sedai. These Aes Sedai take oaths to not use power to harm people.
Meanwhile, the Seanchan have mastered the use of One Power to wreak havoc and effective use them as a weapon of war.
It kinda shows the darker side of "matriarchy" too, gurrl power can be take a bit too far.
>>69910258
this tbfh
>>69924711
Attractive women enslaving other attractive women and treating them like animals is going to be seen as a male power fantasy bro. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying people are going to lose their shit when they see sexualized slavery.
>>69924969
They'll lose their shit and ultimately accomplish NOTHING.
>>69925050
Hopefully, I REALLY want to see this.
>>69908695
Considering the the Wheel of Time may be one of the only modern "fantasy epics" that's actually worse than A Song of Ice and Fire, and that Robert Jordan is one of the handful of authors less capable than George R.R. Martin, I can't possibly see how the fuck they could somehow make a better series.
>>69911427
>the more shit it is the more words it has
>>69909191
(you)
>>69910056
>>69910481
Share the fantasy books YOU think are better, and also try to explain why nobody except you reads them
>>69925285
>my literal what fantasy series written by literally who is so much better than the series that have sold 50+ million copies or that JRR Tolkien Hack, they're so bad.
Why so many hipsters crop up whenever we have one of these threads?
>>69908695
>/tv/ thinks it'll be shit
No fucking way, I'm so surprised.
All this board likes is cancer capeshit and literally who series.
They can't appreciate a good fantasy, especially if it's critically acclaimed which, to their eyes, makes it 'normie cancer'
>>69925512
>Ask them which fantasy series they like
>They dodge the question because they'll know they'll be made fun of for their shit taste for literally whos
>tfw Egwene picks up a large feminist following because "lel strong womyn"
>tfw it only gets more blatant and loud overtime as the literal mary sue eventually becomes the leader of all Aes Sedai with no character development
>the outrage when her retarded lover dies trying to 1v1 a Forsaken in a swordfight and then she dies herself
I'm actually looking forward to this.
>>69908695
>Believing anything fantasy-related that isn't LOTR will be anything but pigshit
Face it, this genre is the most retarded braindead unoriginal shit ever, there is literally nothing in WoT that makes it worthwhile.
>Nynaeve tugs her braid
Literally every single female in this series is absolutely insufferable...
>>69910258
Nobody fucking cares about your stupid hipster fantasy you disgusting neckbeard, I hope that unknown fantasy NEVER gets a single film or even miniseries.
>>69925858
Min's alright.
>>69910433
>>69910152
>>69925285
ITT neckbeard faggot hipsters jerking each other off
First Law trilogy would be a good one. I've only read the first book however.
>Glokta, a toothless cripple and a torturer who is involved in a power struggle between merchant guilds and sectors of government, evolves into a conspiracy. He does all the kidnapping, confessions for show trials etc
>Logan, a tribal barbarian on the run from another barbarian who has united the tribes and proclaimed himself King of the tribes
>Jezal, a good looking normie son of a nobleman learning to duel, who gets to attend all the nobleman meetings and learn about what's happening/diplomatic tensions and coming wars whil fucking hot women
It doesn't have to be as good as GoT.
Just please make it better than Shannara.
All the cool wolf parts are going to get the Game of Thrones treatment, aren't they?
Does it have tits and sex and extreme violence?
If the answer is at least 2 of those, I'm in.
>>69927941
occasionally, Jordan is not like George "Rape Rape" Martin with his fat pink masts.
does massive warfare count as violence?
cities getting razed to the ground?
whole towns wiped out?
using magic to wipe out combat troops?
raining down lightning, fire and hail; splintering the ground beneath and shattering the earth?
There will be lot of cleavage, that should be sure. Many nations compete with whose women can show the greatest amount of cleavage, some prefer see-through-dresses.
>>69908695
it would either be stripped down good show that was Rand-centric and cut a bunch of secondary and tertiary characters and sideplots
or it'll be GoT 2.0 with obnoxious women being cunty always and that meanders through half explored side plots and a whole host of side characters who don't matter getting 5 seconds of screentime and never being revisited
I'll leave it up to /tv/ to decide which is more likely
>>69911841
>worldbuilding
Jordan was fucking useless at knowing when was too much of that kind of thing
>>69927941
In the books there are tits and sex and extreme violence. But the show might neuter that depending on who gets the license and what channel it's on.
In the books...
Nudity:
>Novices of the white tower have to do their test for being accepted "clad in the light" (naked) because the Ter'angreal won't let them bring outside objects in, it can cause death or stilling (rendering the woman unable to channel, also sapping her will to live) if she tries.
>Aiel clan chiefs and wise woman apprentices undergo a similar trial through a different Ter'angreal, also requiring nudity. They disrobe before they even enter the city the trial is done in.
>Aiel "bathe" in communal "sweat tents" it's a sauna environment where they scrape off their dirt and sweat with sticks because water is so scarce in the Aiel Waste
>During Aes Sedai sitter meetings such as choosing an Amyrlin Seat, all sitters present must strip to the waist to declare there are no men present
>Sea Folk women go topless as soon as they're out of sight of the shore when they're on ships.
>Lanfear attempts to seduce Rand in his dreams (she's a dreamwalker) several times.
>Rand catches Aviendha naked and she runs away from him, accidentally going through a magical gate she created without knowing how she made it into a snowy ice cold part of the world leading to...
Sex
>Aviendha and Rand fuck in an Igloo he made to keep them from freezing while he learned where they were so that they could travel back
>Rand also has sex with Min when he's depressed and frustrated
>Finally, Min and Aviendha set up a time for Rand to fuck Elayne, since all 3 of them are supposed to be sharing him but she's the only one of them who hasn't had him yet. They're all bonded together through a magical ritual so they can each feel each other's emotions and sensations to some extent. Min and Aviendha can feel it when Elayne is getting fucked even though they're not in the same room.... so can Elayne's female warder, Birgitte.
I just want to see the Prophet of the Dragon's fanatical army charge towards the Shaido
>>69929148
THERE IS NEVER TOO MUCH WORLDBUILDING
I hope someday we get extra books about Mat's post-WoT adventures in Seanchan, or something similar. Jordan hinted at something like that, then he died. ;_;
>tfw no story about Prince of Ravens
>>69920486
they are astoundingly cunty literally 99% of the time though, nothing is worth that amount of aggravation, not even bitches on your dick
>>69929233
>Graendal, Goddess of Hedonism and Perversion
forgetting best Forsaken
then didn't the Children of Light also do nasty things to Queen Morgase?
>>69929233
More Sex:
>Mat, like his entire character, revolves around gambling, boozing, and fucking random tavern wenches
>Mat is later caught by a MILF queen who treats him as her personal fucktoy, referring to him as her pigeon, pet, sweetling, duckling, etc. She dresses him up in fancy clothes, then ties him up and cuts the clothes off of him with her wedding knife (she's a widow). He's not entirely willing. This "relationship" goes on for some time.
Extreme violence?
>Trollocs hack people into pieces and cook them in stew and eat them
>Asha'man train to kill people by levitating rocks about head height and then shattering them with the Power. They then used that skill on skulls.
>Those same Asha'man used the Power to tear people's bodies into pieces limb from limb. The resulting battle was so traumatic it drove some of them insane and they had to be put down with poison before they started fucking shit up, a mentally insane person with magic is kind of a dangerous thing.
>>69929408
I don't remember Morgase in particular too well but I think Valda raped her.
But yes, Graendal had an entire palace of the hottest people, men and women, that she could find, and brainwashed them all with magic to serve her, and pretty much had them all naked so that she could admire their bodies all day. She had them do contortionist acts and such for entertainment.
Then Rand erased them all from existence with balefire ... just to try and get her.
>>69929521
oh that, Queen something of Altara sexually abusing Mat was quite interesting... for a while. And quite hot.
>tfw you will never see Perrin pounding Faile
>tfw no 3some scene with Rand
>tfw they will probably censor Aiel sauna scenes
>tfw Graendal will probably not have see-through dresses
>tfw Lanfear will never give you wet dreams
>tfw you will never see Lan dominate Nynaeve in bed
WHY EVEN LIVE
>>69929665
Insane Rand is best Rand.
Are the books good? I really should be asking /lit/ this probably
I just realised what pillow friends mean
>>69932811
well, with over 50m copies sold, some of us here do think that they are good
some will keep hating them, other love them.
at times there is little action, lot of talking or scheming, but some of us like that. the worldbuilding is exceptionally well done, same with character building.
>>69933026
it was heavily hinted that sometimes pillow friends were more than pillow friends...
and then there are weird Aiels with their first sister, second sisters, etc...
>>69932811
I like them, they have an interesting system of magic, alternate realities (Tel'aran'rhiod, Portal stones, the realms of the Aelfinn and Eelfin), reincarnation/past lives, lots of world building, enjoyable characters (yes some of the women are insufferable, but some of the male characters make up for it like Mat).. it gets slow at parts especially books 7 and 8 and 10, but overall, worth reading.
>>69933026
a bunch of stressed out young women isolated away in a cloistered environment who have no actual contact with men but observe the warders training with their rippling muscles out their windows all the time? What else do you think they did for release?
>>69929358
I just find the whole reverse take on harems disgusting.
Mind you, I find regular harems disgusting too, but this is particularly revolting, more so when you have women like these that don't actually give a shit about you and just force what they want out of you.
>>69925938
Tales From Earthsea has a movie from Studio Ghibli, but honestly it wasn't very good
>>69933427
>Reverse take on harems
you mean Green sisters with their army of wardens and they fucked all of them?
I think Myrelle wasn't it that was famous for saving wardens of Aes Sedai who had died, usually they went crazy and suicidal, but she managed to fuck the crazy out of all of her warders and save them.
Nynaeve was jealous as fuck when she learned who Lan was going to go to.
>reincarnated hero
>most powerful channeler
>crystal sword that can destroy cities
>dragon tattoos on arms
>three girlfriends
I had to stop every few pages to keep from rolling my eyes out of their sockets.
>>69933592
>how do other fantasy authors even compete?
>>69933732
Depends entirely in the author. Lots of the "old school", (guys who started in the 70's and 80's), have a very clear and strong tolkien influence. If you can deal with that then there is some gold to be found from that generation. More recent authors tend to have less of a tolkien influence and are more original with their fantasy elements but often lack the knack for prose that the older authors had.
>>69926184
fassbender
>>69935456
Jordan is nice. One must simply embrace all the braid tugging and learn to love how women's dresses are described.
at least saidin/saidar is more original than many other mechanics.
the dualism, between good and evil, man and woman, Feelings vs Duty; it is quite good, IMO. The Prophecies are well made and quite numerous and it is fantastic to read as they come true one after another. Karatheon Cycle beats whatever little Tolkien wrote as prophecies.
>>69911427
How does the Guin Saga compare to these? Man. I really wish those books would get translated. If they were an inspiration for Berserk they must be amazing.
I'd better just learn Japanese...
>>69933592
>three girlfriends
Are you some kind of faggot, mate?
>The room fell still.
>“Well, boy,” Cadsuane finally said. “You—”
>“Are you ever going to give up that affectation, Cadsuane Sedai?” Rand asked. “Calling me boy? I no longer mind, though it does feel odd. I was four hundred years old on the day I died during the Age of Legends. I suspect that would make you my junior by several decades at the least. I show you respect. Perhaps it would be appropriate for you to return it. If you wish, you may call me Rand Sedai. I am, so far as I know, the only male Aes Sedai still alive who was properly raised but who never turned to the Shadow.”
>Cadsuane paled visibly.
>Rand’s smile turned kindly. “You wished to come in and dance with the Dragon Reborn, Cadsuane. I am what I need to be. Be comforted—you face the Forsaken, but have one as ancient as they at your side.” He turned away from her, eyes growing distant. “Now, if only great age really were an indication of great wisdom. As easy to wish that the Dark One would simply let us be.”
>>69912638
It was still pretty fun how after a fuckton of books, all the Aes'Sedai have done is bicker among each other while Rand was out there saving the world.
Really shows where a female lead organisation goes when turmoil hits.
His breath caught, and he stretched out a hand, brushed a finger across the heavy gold signet ring on the cord. Across the crane in flight. How had she come by this? Under the Light, how? “I recognize it,” he told her, his voice suddenly hoarse.
“My name is Nynaeve ti al’Meara Mandragoran. The message I want sent is this. My husband rides from World’s End toward Tarwin’s Gap, toward Tarmon Gai’don. Will he ride alone?”
He trembled. He did not know whether he was laughing or crying. Perhaps both. She was his wife? “I will send your message, my Lady, but it has nothing to do with me. I am a merchant. Malkier is dead. Dead, I tell you.”
The heat in her eyes seemed to intensify, and she gripped her long, thick braid with one hand. “Lan told me once that Malkier lives so long as one man wears the hadori in pledge that he will fight the Shadow, so long as one woman wears the ki’sain in pledge that she will send her sons to fight the Shadow. I wear the ki’sain, Master Aldragoran. My husband wears the hadori. So do you. Will Lan Mandragoran ride to the Last Battle alone?”
He was laughing, shaking with it. And yet, he could feel tears rolling down his cheeks. It was madness! Complete madness! But he could not help himself. “He will not, my Lady. I cannot stand surety for anyone else, but I swear to you under the Light and by my hope of rebirth and salvation, he will not ride alone.”
>>69921748
>The setting for the story is a world where men LITERALLY destroyed the world with their magic thousands of years ago
But that's fucking wrong you mongoloid. Only reason men got corrupted was because female channelers decided to not help them create a perfect seal for the dark one.
So it was pretty much them chickening out that fucked the world for centuries to come.
But I do agree that there was a theme about genders having to work together in harmony and would've been nice to be emphasized a bit more.
>>69938567
well, most of the plot revolves around females trying to push males to do stuff... everyone is pushing Rand one way or another, trying to manipulate him.
The division between genders drives the story on, and only in the final books we see how useful and necessary such partnership is, for the sake of the world.
Anyway, during the Age of Legends, they were building Choedan Kals, which were supposed to be used in sealing the Bore. Lews Therin wanted to seal it ASAP, because Shadow was winning the war. The women wanted to wait until Choedan Kals were ready to be used. Or maybe it was that they had lost the channelling keys and could not yet use them in sealing the Bore.
I guess there must have been some other time, when the women alone sealed the Bore and went mad, ending up in a opposite setting compared to WoT. Maybe the Dragon is born as female in some era? Maybe it revolves over time, as the wheel keeps spinning? One time matriarchy and tainted saidin, next time patriarchy and tainted saidar?
>>69938567
A perfect seal couldn't be created without the use of the True Power. It just would have tainted both Saidar and Saidin.
>>69925727
She went out like a martyr tho, which pissed me off.
I wanted her to be truly disgraced and humbled in the end.
>>69926184
Abercrombie is worse than fucking Jordan. 0 world or character building, just plow through the story.
And when he attempts char development it's fucking awful.
>Jezal doing a 360, going all brave and nice after being saved by Logan.
Sell me wheel of time, from descriptions I've seen and heard it sounds like generic fantasy.
>>69939886
80 million books sold
I guess it is decent enough.
>>69940072
source;
http://www.bestfantasybookshq.com/best-selling-fantasy-series-of-all-time/
even if just all the book readers watch the show, it should get a quite decent audience.
however, since GoT has given some popularity to fantasy, it should probably be quite successful.
>>69939886
Same here, it's why I never read it. I love fantasy but it's frustrating how 99% of it is complete shit
>>69940072
The Left Behind series sold 65 million copies
>>69909800
> Crosses arms beneath breasts
>>69908695
Well, there's going to be a lot more spankings.
Wheel of Time is more of a CW show, all the main characters are tweens.
>gary stu character
>le good vs evil meme
Why bother?
>>69939886
It's not for everyone. It has your basic epic fantasy setup. Sealed ancient evil god is breaking free and out to destroy the world, the only one who can save it is a youth from a small village that was born as the chosen one and has to unite the world against the approaching darkness.
The worldbuilding is good and the magic system is very well thought out and used.
The main character goes through a transformation over the course of the series that leads him to the brink of actual insanity after having to deal with tainted magic, the struggle of trying to conquer kingdoms and hold them, and having almost everybody out to kill, capture, or manipulate him.
The side characters are hit or miss and go through their own developments/arcs but all are inevitably tied to the protagonist as they prepare for the final war against the dark god.
For the most part the main villains are people, although they tend to be evil 'just because' and follow the Dark One. Which leads to a lot of shit where the protagonists don't really know who is and isn't an enemy and plotting against them.
>>69940740
Sounds like a video game, pass
>>69908695
>literally what: the book
Codex Alera adaptation when?
>>69941142
Why is there always some gigantic wall, freaky mountains or darkness zone in fantasy maps?
Like seriously, there's always this "DANGER HERE" zone that is blatantly "muh world destruction" tier evil.
>>69941790
Maybe they're inspired by actual centuries-old maps that did the same thing?
>>69922644
That shit is so satisfying in the books it makes happy like a little schoolgirl just thinking of it
WHEN
>>69941996
>le chinese wall and tibet maymay
Yeah, that's about it.
