Why does Marvel get a free pass? Don't get me wrong, I think that DC and Fox capeshit is just as bad but for some reason Marvel movies always get good reviews when the others don't - even tough they're the same shit, filled with terrible dialogue and boring CGI action sequences without any real depth
Batman V Superman was Kino
X Men Apocalypse was Kino
only the end of Civil War where Cap is about to decapitate tony, but instead shows humility is Kino
How the fuck are they getting away with this in todays age?
>>69872559
>being mad that around 93% of all moviegoers arent as autistic as you
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Watch Kermode's reviews of BvS, Civil War, and Apocalypse.
I think it's mostly just the entertainment factor of it.
A bad scene trying to make you smile is better than a bad scene trying to be serious or dour.
>>69872497
Because they have likeable characters who it's easy to empathise with. While, when taken in broad strokes, all capeshit is the same, small elements of characterisation or relationship building help seemingly formulaic films to resonate at a higher level, particularly with people who aren't hardcore fans of the source material.
>>69872497
because you're a fucking idiot if you think that dialog is actually bad or if the action is boring because most people agree that why the films are popular in the first place. Decent dialog and fun action set pieces and sequences.
>depth
this is a fucking blockbuster.
>>69872559
>>69872619
>im so autistic that i use airplane mode to argue with myself
WEW
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>>69872645
>A bad scene trying to make you smile is better than a bad scene trying to be serious or dour.
This
>>69872700
see
>>69872497
Kill yourself. Civil War is better than anything DC and Fox have ever shit out.
>>69872497
The Marvel movies don't take themselves all that seriously and because they skirt that line of "I'm trying to tell a serious story" and "Lol! Just kidding here's some physical comedy and a couple of quips!" It makes the movies a little more endearing when they fuck up for general audiences / critics. BvS was a completely humorless operatic clash of titans with a lot of heavy themes and a dour, serious tone. Which is great if that is what you want in a super hero movie, but when it doesn't work quite right it comes off as trying to hard and missing and that feels embarrassing and tends to get lambasted more.
>>69872497
>Why does Marvel get a free pass
Because they're a big thing now, they have ultra big budgets , and whenever quipman throws a quip, movie critics shed tears of joy, basically any capeshit movie that is not disney's is pretty much fucked.
because they somehow manage to make good movies that also just happen to be for kids and adults
I honestly don't know how they pull it off every time. I enjoy their movies and even I'm starting to wonder when their first swing and a miss will come
>manchildren genuienly think there's thematic weight and intelligent ideas in their mass-produced conveyer belt products marketed to little kids
>literally men in spandex hitting each other
>>69872983
I'm sure you know more than movie critics.
>>69872983
Civil War made me realize it. Here I am watching this supposed conflict between two groups, but they're fighting eachother while smiling and quipping like a bunch of circus artists performing their routine, you never feel any kind of suspense or tension, they don't even have the balls to kill off one of the least popular side characters in the movie
>>69872853
This. You don't get any threads moaning about the fact that dreamworks aren't as universally revered as Pixar because there's no company wars involved. When you take a step back and simply see that Marvel movies are incredibly carefully crafted to have moments that appeal to as many demographics as is reasonably possible (like Pixar) you can easily understand that it's not a free pass, it's universal appeal.
>>69872497
I think it's because the Marvel movies started off with a long-term plan and each movie is connected to each other. The individual movies by themselves, like the first Captain America movie, Iron Man, Hulk and Thor really aren't that very good. Everyone liked them because they knew it was going to eventually lead into the Avengers.
>>69872847
damn this is a rare fedora
>>69873192
>2016
>not murdering your best friends over ideological differences without even thinking twice
>>69872497
Because Marvel has Kevin Feige
>Actual Marvel comics fan
>Successfully maneuvers around stubborn Marvel execs to let him try MCU
>Idea seemed bananas crazy at a time because Marvel was nearly bankrupt and most popular characters were splitted between other studios
>Takes the risk and produces Iron Man
>Proceeds with creating $10 bln franchise from nothing
>Revolutionized the concept of movie franchise
>Runs things so efficiently that there were little to no scandals or production misfires for the project this large, namely all top stars are willing to continue filming
>No movie or script leaks like retards at Fox or Sony regularly do
>Of 13 movies he oversaw 13 are financially successful with 13 of those having positive critic reception
>Slowly returns Marvel characters to their home from other studios
>Excellent relations with Disney board as well as lots of Hollywood people
>Cucks Paramount
>Cucks Universal
>Picks up the fight with uncooperative CEO when the time comes
>Wins the fight and becomes co-CEO himself
>Cucks Sony into Spider-Man deal
>Humiliates WB/DC at capebowl of 2016
>MCU steamroller is going as strong as ever
>Starts war with co-CEO over Marvel TV
>Starts it just at the moment when Civil War is breaking its billion while TV ratings are declining - a move that will undoubtedly make him look good and co-CEO bad
>Looks like he is going to win this too
>This is the man who made Iron Man and Captain America larger cultural icons than Batman and Superman
>This is the man who produced a comic book movie about Rocket Racoon, a movie that was more profitable and critically successful than a movie featuring Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman
>>69872497
>Why does Marvel get a free pass? Don't get me wrong, I think that DC and Fox capeshit is just as bad but for some reason Marvel movies always get good reviews when the others don't
I know this is going to be difficult to comprehend, but the dc movies get bad reviews because so far they have all been bad, and the marvel movies mostly get good reviews because a lot of them are good fun summer movies that most people enjoy and have fun seeing.
You might have to sit down if your head is spinning.
>>69873192
You know everyone would have been thrown into an autistic fit of rage if someone else died. The movie had to be Civil War because of Batman V Superman, but they couldn't make it too intense. They had to figure out a way that they could get these guys to fight without doing so much damage to their relationships they couldn't rejoin forces and be friends again for the Infinity War.
I think that's the movie where they want to shove every fucking person they possibly can into. People are speculating if the Defenders, Inhumans and Guardians of the Galaxy are going to be in it.
>>69873372
This, they are fun films. Everyone who likes them either read comics when they were a kid or are parents of kids that watch whatever current animated series that features these characters.
>>69873192
>but they're fighting eachother while smiling and quipping like a bunch of circus artists performing their routine
>Literally 2 jokes made by any other avenger that wasn't Spider-man or Ant-man
>>69873363
we're living in a marvel dynasty
>>69873576
Well you forgot Widow and Hawkguy fighting
>are we still friends
People bitching about quipping makes no sense, especially about Spider-Man. Spider-Man does nothing but fucking quip and make awkward conversation throughout fights.
>>69873694
>are we still friends
ugh i hated that
>>69873363
So this guy is the monster responsible for the MCU?
This fucker is ruining cinema, the MCU is a ultra big budget industry of bellow average cinema, a giant franchise that all other franchises envy, and we can see what is happening, thanks to the MCU movies we're having shit like snow white, Alice in wonderland sequels and crap like BvS.
Can't Sage the Feige
>>69874643
he saved Blockbuster filmmaking.
>>69875692
>he saved Blockbuster filmmaking
No he didn't, blockbusters are getting worse every year, it's probably all his fault.
>>69875926
no, they're getting better then the shlock like Independece Day and Godzilla of the early 2000s.
>>69876279
They're not any better, mate.
>>69876415
yeah they are.
>>69876453
No they aren't.
>>69872497
fuck off, dcuck, you're embarrassing yourself
>>69876504
ok buddy.
>>69876525
You think RT means anything to me?
Zack Snyder and Joss Whedon can go have sex with each other for all I care, I hate their movies.
>>69876840
You're in the minority.
>>69874643
>>69876415
>>69876840
>everything that isnt Tarkovsky or Godard or Bergman is utter schlock! How dare people enjoy well crafted blockbusters! Theyre ruining CINEMA
>>69872497
disney pays off critics with money. same reason why TFA yields 92% on rotten tomatoes
>>69877091
>You're in the minority.
Everyone's stupid but me.
>>69874643
>hating success
>>69877245
Youre the same kind of hipster autist who would have hated Star wars, Terminator, Raiders, Jaws and Die hard if you were criticizing movies back then
>>69877188
Stay butthurt, fartbag, your blockbusters are incoherent turds.
Batman Vs Superman is a film meant to be endured. Civil War is a film meant to be enjoyed. ~ Mark Kermode
>>69876279
i'd still rather watch a shitty regular action movie than the best capeshit movie. every plot is the same. hero gets powers, hero meets bad guy, fake tension between hero and bad guy, hero wins. other characters are introduced inbetween scenes to make spinoffs. its so fucking cynical i can't even think about anything else than the excecutives laughing at how dumb the audience of today is.
>>69872497
The characters.
Marvel has managed to make people care and love those characters in their movies.
The amount of fanart the MCU has in comparison to the DCEU or Fox is astounding.
In the DCEU the heroes are not really likeable and relatable, and X-Men got really hurt by X-Men Origins and Last Stand.
It's the heroes the reason so many people watch this.
The villains are mostly mediocre, but people still like it because they want to see the heroes do their thing.
Iron Man 3 was shit, but it still made 1.1 billion because people liked RDJ.
>>69877552
it's almost like if you have well-written characters people will like them..
>>69872674
>likable
Captain America was likable until they turned him into a villain
>>69872497
Because avengers winter soldier and iron man were decent films
Marvel makes good movies. The others don't.
>>69877325
Only plebs like those shit movies, they're only monetarily successful, there's nothing iconic or good about those movies.
>>69877348
No, I love those movies always have, but even I have accept that it's not fair to compare Raiders, Star wars, Terminator etc, with the MCU movies, the movies you mentioned were made by Cameron , Spielberg, John Mctiernan, Lucas?, these were all great directors with innovative ideas who were passionate about their work and shaped modern cinema, you can't compare their movies with the MCU movies that are made the way studio executives want them to be made, Joss Whedon and Zack Snyder are third rate directors who shouldn't be making movies.
>>69877432
I fucking love you.
things that acknowledge their faults are a lot more endearing than things that pretend they have no faults what so ever.
>>69872497
They have a A to B to C storyline. Decent action sequences and a plot you can happily follow.
DC movies are just scrapped together badly casted YouTube compilations.
Man of Steel was good. BvS was ugly as shit just like the Jew who starred in it.
>>69872497
Fox has never been that popular, and the DCEU movies feel like 2 hour long trailers for some reason.
There's a fuckload of scenes that are there just so they can put them in trailers.
>>69877432
are you describing BvS coz that's a perfect description.
>>69877432
shit taste
>>69877785
nice meme
>>69878081
contrarian
>>69878136
shit taste.
>>69877432
>>69878081
>there's nothing iconic or good about those movies
Stupid generalizations make you look like fedora
>>69872497
>Why does Marvel get a free pass
They don't
They're mediocre movies, but when compared to the absolute garbage that DC and Fox churn out, they're aptly described as decent capeshit
>>69878443
>contrarian
How about having standards?
>>69876525
>Marvel fan falls back on criticising DC when he cant argue that Marvel are shit blockbusters.
Classic.
>>69878548
/thread
>>69878467
Generalization in this case is correct because there is nothing Iconic about any of the MCU movies, the same way there's nothing iconic about Kingdom of the crystal skull.
>>69878716
butthurt cuck boy?
dude my mummies name did we just become best friend lmao
>>69878548
The worst fox movie is better than anything by disney/marvel.
Just wait till Melissa McCarthy gets cast as Miss Marvel.
>>69872559
>hollywood blockbusters with no depth are kino
This word has lost all meaning here, time to filter it
Because of the fact that there's an overarching universe that connects all of these, this means that they kinda have to fit together like puzzle pieces
This has the downside of the movies being more than a little formulaic, but at least it is a good formula, and for what it's worth, they're pretty darn good adaptations of the comic books(with some exceptions...)
This is why the MCU movies are decent at worst and great at best
>>69872497
They get a free pass because they have normies and Disney backing them up. Disney knows how much money these movies can bring in and plan accordingly making sure it gets given a higher a score as it can so that they do at least above average. The normies are the majority of viwers, the ones who bring in the big bucks, the people who think Inception is "deep", who can't stay awake in a movie unless it has fighting scenes and quips every 5 seconds.
Civil War being so highly praised when it's not even as good as WS, while BvS and AoA are critically panned, are testaments of Disney paying critics and normies being conditioned to be biased torwards Disney Marvel films.
>>69879716
>>69878782
You are objectively wrong. Iconic means popular and recognizable, Avengers alone become icons in your lifetime and there is nothing you can do about it
>>69879716
>conditioned
a lot of people don't even know Marvel is Disney.
I heard some people actually thought Fantastic Four is MCU.
>>69878081
>nothing iconic
The arc reactor is instantly recognizable nowadays, as is cap's shield and mjolnir
In terms of scenes theres the mark III suit up scene, arc reactor construction scene, cap v bucky in ws, hulkbuster, avengers moneyshot, etc.
They may not be artistic masterpieces but they dont need to be nor do people want them to be. They are excellent blockbusters that you can take the whole family to see and enjoy along with them like pixar films.
>>69880040
this
>>69879716
Meanwhile, >>69877655
>>69880082
I told you so, Raging Fanboys.
>>69879797
Ah yes, I too heard that John Carter will appear as the next Avenger.
You fucking retard.
>>69880040
>In terms of scenes theres the mark III suit up scene, arc reactor construction scene, cap v bucky in ws, hulkbuster, avengers moneyshot, etc.
Eh, only the Avengers money shot is iconic.
>>69880293
>only the avengers moneyshot is iconic
Like fucking hell it is. Thats just your personal bias, the hulkbuster scene was a ballbusting fight, the WS fight made captain america #2 in fan favorites and pretty much everything from ironman 1 was pure gold for people to see.
There is genuine carthartic joy in these moments that DC doesnt understand they can bring just as well if they bothered to understand what the people want. They want more iconic fights and moments not lofty dialogue of ideology or higher morals
>>69876279
God zila wasn't even good when it came out, and Independence day was campy and over the top on purpose. They're still better films than nearly all capeshit.
>>69879960
You are misinterpreting me, iconic as in Indiana Jones running away from a giant rock, iconic as the final stand off scene in The good the bad and the ugly, iconic as the scene when the terminator raids the police station, iconic as when any real movie blockbuster or cheap B-movie shows that it has artistic merit and contributes to pop culture, the MCU has to this day nothing like that, the avengers has absolutely nothing iconic about it.
>>69872645
Very much this. Marvel tries to be light-hearted and exciting. DC tries to be overly profound.
>>69880040
>take the whole family to see and enjoy along with them like pixar films.
Maybe for people with very low standards.
>>69877188
>well crafted blockbusters
lol
>>69881336
>the avengers has absolutely nothing iconic about it.
B-b-b-but muh Whedon getting them to eat fast food in the credits scene
>>69881245
nah, you have shit taste.
>>69880641
You need to watch more movies, there's nothing and I mean absolutely nothing impressive about any action scene in those movies.
>>69881461
Kids have very low standards, lofty dialogue and speeches of faith, belief, gods and morality are below those standards
Teens/young adults have low standards as well, and so do adults.
Autists however have standards low enough for zack snyder to appeal to them
>>69880641
You honestly think DC should just be like Marvel to be more successful with people? Should all films be reduced to what people want instead of just being the story it needs to be?
Civil War was exactly like this and it is why it is an underwhelming film, it was all flashy fights and nice little moments when it should have been more than that. What exactly is Civil War about it? The movie loses all relevance after the registration act is presented because they all go into a pointless squabble that gets resolved through a letter at the end. But it's ok, the people love it.
>>69880040
>The arc reactor
That's the thing for kids in Iron Man's chest right? It's a glowy circle.
The big one I vaguely remember had steel work around it but it definitely wasn't iconic.
>>69872497
>anything popular is getting a free pass
*tips cut american dick*
>>69881514
You got me there
>>69881577
Just because they didn't have chris evans actually pull a real helicopter down or a long one take no cuts fight scene, doesnt make them any less enjoyable.
Watching chris evans flying knee kick bucky into a truck is good enough for anyone except absolute autists like you with "higher standards" to enjoy
/argument
Every metric you can use to compare two films, CW trumps BvS.
>>69881671
Your attempt to trivialize its jump in relevance to pop culture is useless. There are countless DIY videos of people making their own arc reactors. Its one of the most popular fan projects to make currently, though of course lightsabers are still on top.
>>69881992
>using lowest common denominator that is the audience
That right there should tell you which film is better.
>>69872497
>>69872847
That's why The Dark Knight, Batman 89, and Superman 78 are some of the most critically acclaimed and beloved superhero movies of all time. The low scores for Batman v Superman clearly has nothing to do with the quality of the film.
>>69881910
Any movie made 90's with Bruce Willies had better action scenes, I can't find any action scene in the avengers appealing to me.
>>69872559
Your mom was kino last night.
>>69881992
They even share a lot of story beats
>opens with flashback to one of main characters parents death
>scene in africa where an incident kickstarts the plot
>backlash from previous events
>villain scheming to get the main characters to fight
>government hearing interrupted by bombing that kills speech giver
And civil war handles all of them better
>>69882088
>There are countless DIY videos of people making their own arc reactors.
Uh huh.
I don't you're quite getting what I'm saying. Most people can do a Superman impression, knowing that Iron Man has a flashlight in his chest isn't on the same level
>>69873599
4 Lord of the Rings films + 3 Hobbits films = 6 Middle Earth films????
>>69882191
And any bruce lee film from the 70s has better action scenes from any bruce willis movie. That doesn't make die hard a shit film
>>69882777
>any bruce lee film from the 70s has better action scenes from any bruce willis movie
I like Bruce Lee movies and that's just nog true.
>>69882440
No you don't quite understand what constitutes iconic. Nine years ago no one knew what an arc reactor was, didn't know who tony stark was and didn't know he had a light on his chest. Now the image of a chest with a circle of light is just as recognizable as a diamond with an S
>>69882812
Well you're objectively, figuratively and subjectively incapable of rating fight scenes
>>69882777
My point was that a movie with an average guy like bruce willies has better action scenes than a movie with fucking super heroes.
Marvel makes self-aware comic book films. They don't take themselves seriously, but they have serious moments. Some of which IMO are Oscar Worthy.
They're action-packed, they're silly, and they're just fun. Now look at the BvS if you want everything wrong with trying to turn comic books into Citizen Kane. It's not that comic book flicks can't be great, have deep or complex messages, be serious at times, or say anything relevant. It's just that they shouldn't completely try to rid themselves of their own essence in order to become a completely different thing in-itself.
BvS is a bit of a bastard child between a comic book movie and a movie that doesn't want to acknowledge itself as a comic book movie. It succeeds at neither because the film contradicts itself to a point where it is hard to take seriously and yet hard to write off as just a silly movie. It tries to have fun, key word being "tries", on occasion. However, it just gets bogged down with grasp-at-straws "deep meanings" in very slow glacial paced scenes, with tons of them having no relevance and being completely unnecessary. It's as if it were written by someone who had just finished a beginner film studies class. Zack wants to be provocative, he wants to be controversial, and yet it just falls kinda flat. Same with MoS.
Overall they're both just pitiful comic book films and films in general.
>>69872497
Marvel has likeable actors
>>69883074
No your point was to use something that people wouldn't criticise to scapegoat your argument
>>69882937
>Now the image of a chest with a circle of light is just as recognizable as a diamond with an S
It's definitely not bro. You're talking about comic convention people right? They're not representative of the general population you know.
And I was talking about standing on one leg and sticking a fist out. What's the Iron Man version of that?
>>69883019
Action scenes =! Fight scenes little buddy.
>>69883285
>They're not representative of the general population you know.
Comic book/anime/video game conventions are normie paradises, idiot.
>>69872983
>calling people manchildren
>posts on /tv/
Self-awareness fails you
>marvel stuios has ruined blockbuster cinema
ok, wow
lets just look at capeshit before Marvel:
Daredevil, Elektra, Fantastic Four 1 and 2, X-men 3, Spider-Man 3, Superman Returns (still better than BvS), Ghost Rider, Catwoman, The Spirit, League of Extraordiary Gentleman
please explain how the avarage marvel shit is worst than any of these
>>69873363
>people who only care about money will still worship James Cameron instead of Kevin
Lmao
>>69883195
My point is that you're defending shit movies that are no better than shit made by the scyfy channel.
>>69884039
There are blockbuster movies that aren't capeshit m80
>>69884394
i'm sorry i forgot The Matrix sequels you piece of shit
>>69881336
>the avengers has absolutely nothing iconic about it.
Fuck off.
The scene where the Avengers assembled during the invasion was pure kino
https://youtu.be/EAjyjbb-Kfw
>>69881642
>gets resolved through a letter at the end.
Except it was not resolved. Cap is still a criminal on the run.
And it will be a while before Tony can stand next to Cap again
>>69882127
Civil War of course.
Look, fuck off with this meme that BvS is capekulino. It isnt. And people forgot about BvS when Rolfe decided to botcott the new Fembusters. But we still talked Civil War
>>69883931
This
>>69886876
Your sister was pure kino last night.
Truth is that a blockbuster with something inherently ridiculous like superheroes will always be better received if it's lighter in tone
If you make it brooding and pretend it has deeper meaning (while still remaining just punchy-punchy CGI heavy blockbuster) it will only be received has more of a shitshow, and that's not even counting the cringeworthy shit that infest BvS.
>>69887620
>I have nothing to back up my argument so i decide to go full 9gag and insult.
>>69882656
isn't there only 3?
>BvS
>Kino
This meme has to end. I'm serious, this is going too far. You guys are going to seriously believe it is.
>>69888207
I have nothing to argument against your dumb statement?
No I don't, have a nice night.
>>69888850
You too.
Ill be having mine with your sister
>>69884039
Spider-Man 3 is more fun than any Marvel movie.
