He's still in prison
I bet he plays a lot of handball
classic dano
>>69683895
is there actually any progress in either of the cases? Only saw the documentary, haven't check anything regarding them since...
>>69683895
Who?
Did he ever get to see Wrestlemania?
>own lawyer attempts to incriminate him
>confessions gained under illegal circumstances
>all of it still used as admissible evidence in court
The American justice system everyone.
>>69683940
https://twitter.com/ZellnerLaw
His new attorney has been tweeting some stuff.
She's pretty good, has gotten 17 men out for being wrongfully convicted.
>>69684020
she is attorney to both? or just the kid?(already forget the names...)
who /theprize/ here?
>>69684056
She's Steven's lawyer.
both those cunts killed that chick, they deserve to rot in prison.
TMAM is just like any other documentary: full of bias and omitting anything that goes against their narrative.
they deserve what they got.
Dudes biggest defense is that he is too dumb to commit crime...says he got the bound and gagged idea from a book.
>>69684142
Nice bait.
>>69683895
To be fair he's a murderer and a rapist
>>69684208
just because you're too deluded to see the truth doesn't mean that my post is bait
>>69684253
easily explained away by him leaving his cell at home
Wrestlemania
>>69684299
BUT THA TEEVEE SHOW TOLD ME HE WAS INNOCENTS
>>69683895
>mfw he is released in a few years and given a massive pay out for wrongful conviction on the DNA grounds
>mfw he says how happy he is to the media and starts a young family
>mfw 15 years later him and his son are involved in the murder of an autotrader advertiser on the Avery property
>>69684277
>steven avery is guilty
>>69684365
ok believe everything a tv show a couple of ugly dykes shit out tells you to
Who is the guy in OP's pic? I haven't followed american tv lately
Steven Avery is guilty.
Brendan Dassey is not.
I'm curious to what the fuck this thread is about
>>69683930
>steven avery isnt guilty
Steven Avery used to kill cats for fun. Let him fry for all I care.
It really showed the shows narrative when they glossed over that fact, and failed to mention that almost all serial killers start off by killing animals for fun.
>>69684435
the lies shown in Netflix's "Making a Murder", made by two ugly lesbians
>>69684478
the nose knows
>>69684390
Good post
>>69684462
Bad post
OUTTA MY WAY, DNA FUCKING SHITS
>>69684401
>>69684478
Anybody watched the doc A Murder in the Park?
It was on TV a couple of weeks ago, sort of similar to this and was pretty good.
>>69683895
yeah?
>>69683975
Plebs don't understand this was what the doc was about. Not proving Avery innocent but showing the failings of the system.
>>69684101
reporting in
>>69684569
aight, i guess i can't crack that shell of autism you've enclosed yourself in
>>69684142
Nah, at the very least the kid was innocent.
Neither should have been convicted though with such a glaring conflict of interest.
>>69684668
I think him telling his sister about it kinda makes me think he did sumthing instead of nuthin
>>69684668
even if he didnt have any participation in the murder, he's still an accomplice.
>>69684474
Oh no he burned a cat! Let's convict him for murder! Fuck law!
>>69684685
She claims she made that up.
>>69684722
Accomplice to what? Brendan couldn't keep his story straight and said anything to appease the police or his lawyer in some of the most irresponsible interviews ever filmed.
>>69684478
I'd fuck the right
>>69684809
I don't buy that
>I'm gonna accuse my brother of murder for no raisin
I think its pretty funny that averys old jew lawyers are now touring doing talks everywhere on the case jewing all the money they can out of it.
>>69683895
well prrison is for poeple who are a danger to the public and he's so fucking retarded there's the danger he might breed .
>admit to murder
>go to prison
oh no american criminal justice is so corrupt.
i think he probably didnt do it but in order for the whole criminal justice thing to work you need to actually try to not be convicted .
>>69685127
Why? She was as retarded as him. Brendan was a functioning retard. I know people that have worked with these kinds of kids all their careers. Children like them are so impressionable and easy to manipulate that it's sad. They can't discern between reality and fiction.
Is America's justice system so bad that 2 people can be convicted for crimes that contradict each other? The cases against Steven and Brendan had completely different stories.
>>69683895
>tfw mom didn't record wrestlemania
>>69683930
>>69684668
He knew something, that much is obvious
>Steven Avery is guilty
Let me guess, you rate Zidane too?
>>69687467
Zidane is a god.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkMlK89Ibk
>>69687501
>ranking Zidane
dogwithfancyhat.jpg
>>69685643
not only that but Brendan's confession was thrown out of SA's trial for being bullshit. then they use that same confession to convict brendan
Good.
Sick fuck.
So is he actually innocent or is it all shilling
What's /tv/'s thoughts I'm about to watch it
>>69683963
kek
>>69683975
>People actually believe this
Kek they didn't force a confession out of Dassey it all came willingly. Listen to serial if you want to understand how manipulative making a murderer is.
>Avery a good boy he dindu nuffin he only throws cats into fires
WE'RE ALL IN A PRISON, ANON
>>69684809
Oh bullshit, Brendan came up with multiple details on his own that proves he saw something at the very least. Also the interviews were not done under duress the kid had no idea what they wanted so when he's talking about multiple details that the cops never disclosed about the murder what do you really think is so fishy about it?
Avery did it and Brendan was there to witness, at the very least.
>>69689294
It's interesting and entertaining but while you're watching it be aware of how biased it is and how they don't even explore the case against Avery or the possibility that he is guilty. It becomes very obvious that there is plenty they aren't telling you about the case. For instance, the difference between Dassey's full interview and then the heavily cherry picked version they show in the documentary.
>>69689419
this thread is a prison
brandon dassey's lawyer's investigator was crying on the witness stand about the woman who was murdered. that shows a clear bias against his own client, which reflects on brandon's defense attorney.
and the video of brandon's interrogation was insane, he was saying things and the police were like "thats not what happened brandon, tell the truth" so he just started making shit up to tell the police what they wanted to hear, because he wasn't aware that by saying all that shit he was incriminating himself. now you may say "how didn't he know he waas incriminating himself" first he was a 16 year old kid, he was clearly nervous, he didnt understand the severity of the situation, and on top of that, the dude is clearly a little slow.
>>69684299
no version of any of the multiple stories presented involve TH leaving the property once she got there.
>>69689793
This conversation is a prison
>tfw no Wrestlemania
>>69689909
bullshit, the official story requires him to leave the house to burn her
>>69683895
Didn't he rape someone?
>Yeah...
>>69689674
I'm watching the first episode, and all the shit he's done involving burglary and his cousin is entirely because he's fucking stupid and it's his own fault.
Doesn't matter
All white males deserve to be in prison
>>69689855
I don't buy it. Dassey obviously didn't know what he was getting himself into but he was not coerced into a confession. Nothing that happened during the interview was illegal. Also go ahead and watch the full interview tapes. You'll see many things they chose not to show in the documentary because it didn't fit their narrative. The kid came up with plenty of shit without and leading from the detectives. Shit he would only know if he was there, which he most definitely was. Avery is a piece of shit and their whole family is mentally deficient. Felt bad for his mom though, soft in the head and really thinks Steven is completely innocent.
Steven threw his nephew under the bus by the way. Brendan could be OK if Steven admitted to what he did and clarified Brendon's part in it all.
>>69684299
So Steven is so smart that he kills her, leaves his cell phone at his place. Takes her cell phone, drives away, leaves it somewhere and drives back to his place, all to fool the cell gps.
But he still doesn't use the car crusher.
>>69690165
THE PRIZE
>>69690226
He burned her and the cell phone
Obviously to do that you need to take her and her cell phone away from the house to the quarry burn site
>>69685127
If anything, the series showed why people with low IQ's so not have fucking kids.
>>69687277
>implying Wrestlemania knew literally anything.
>>69690226
He was probably planning on moving and ditching the car somewhere but the whole thing blew up in his face. Not to mention using the crusher would bring attention from his whole family and actually would be completely damning evidence in court. If the car is only found on his property not crushed, there's at least plausible deniability. If they found it crushed, not only would it HAVE to been done by someone that lived there, more than likely one of his family could have linked it back to him using it in a very specific time frame.
>>69689529
Are u high? The kids testimony was so shit they didn't even use it in Steven's case. Some retard kid saying bullshit to the cops and doesn't even know wtf's going on. He thinks he's going back to class after admitting to rape and murder.
>>69690226
>>69690280
It's kind of strange not knowing anything about this case and watching people argue about it.
Like I want to know what the fuck you guys are talking about to start going into specifics like that
>>69690440
why are you even in this thread if you didn't watch the series
god damn you're spoiling a good tv show experience
>if he dindu nuffin why he on trial then
>muh toes
>muslim honor killing
>feels are more important than evidence
american juries everyone, these people have no education at all
>>69690280
>takes her body to the quarry to burn her
>then brings her body back to his house to burn her
MAKES SENSE TO ME!
>>69690379
>He was probably planning on moving and ditching the car somewhere but the whole thing blew up in his face.
So we're just making shit up now?
>Not to mention using the crusher would bring attention from his whole family
You mean that thing they used every day and wouldn't have thought twice about?
>If the car is only found
That's the whole point it wouldn't have been found. Think that lady guided by "god" is gonna be able to figure out it's the victims car from a cube?
>>69690471
I guess I just don't look at documentaries like regular shows
Can't really spoil history
>>69690165
It wasnt illegal, but they manipulated the situation. They misled his mother, she wanted to be with him when they questioned branden.
the fact is, it SHOULD be illegal, what the police did.
think about it, you're subjecting a fucking 16 year old to that type of questioning, the police were acting overly calm and undermining the gravity of the situation, and for a 16 year old kid with no real experience in life he was susceptible to say some stupid shit. The police were leading him into what to say, and yes branden was stupid for saying it, no one is saying he was a dumb fuck, he clearly was and is. the whole family is off, but that kid was not aware of the gravity of the situation and because of that, and the fact that hes underage, it just shows how unjust the system is.
and the only reason why they went after brendan, and continued to throw the book at him, is because without him they had no case against steven avrey.
so in my opinion, the only reason for dassey to be held accountable for a coerced confession, is because they really want to keep Avery in jail.
this goes all the way through the system, from the lowest level to the highest in the judicial system, the police needled and coerced a confession out of a slow 16 year old boy, then his public defender implicated him further, then the judge refused to give him a fair trial. His whole youth is squandered, whatever chance he had at a normal life is completely fucked. just because they wanted to convict steven avrey that bad.
>>69690560
it's not technically a documentary, think of it more of a very compelling murder mystery loosely based around actual events
>>69690558
Bro the alternative is, someone murdered her, knew that Avery coincidentally happened to have a bonfire that night, burns her at the quarry pit, then gathers up the bones and dumps them on Avery's burn pit
>>69690560
You've already fucked up. What makes the show amazing is not knowing anything about it. If it wasn't real it would seem like most bullshit, contrived, unrealistic episode of CSI.
When will America get rid of the jury system like civilized countries?
>>69689529
Kek you've clearly made up your mind. I don't care if he did it or not but his initial interviews with the police and his "lawyer" were deplorable. Imagine a police department doing that to your retarded little sibling or child.
>kid literally admits to helping rape and murder a girl
>murder tool and car of victim literally found on premise and house
>WOAH THEY TOTALLY DIDN"T DO IT GUYS, I MEAN THE NETFLIX SHOW SAID SO , SO IT MUST BE TRUE
>>69690617
the brother and boyfriend did it and framed avery
moved (some of) the bones, and parked her car up when they saw which way the police investigation was headed
>>69690617
They didn't have to know when he was specifically having a fire. They just that he had a fire pit. Which he apparently used all the time and was clearly visible from the street. Her ex and roommate were suspicious as fuck, and she's getting calls from a convicted sex felon. For the murderer, the idea to frame Steven would be the most obvious thing on the planet.
>>69690700
>boyfriend and brother (first suspects in any murder) are never investigated
>delete her voice mails 'accidentally'
>"lel dunno where i was the day she died, or if it was morning or night when i last saw her, i was on a lot of drugs desu"
>>69690700
shit bait 0/10
The boyfriend and her brother were in cahoots about something. boyfriend especially
>>69684478
I'd worship the feet of the right one, but only because she looks smiliar to my mom
>>69690440
Go watch it. It's not about whether he/they are innocent, it's about the failing of the system.
Neither should have been found guilty. Their guilt is irrelevant.
>>69690708
the part where the brother has a big shit eating grin on his face and is laughing in the court room was weird as hell.
>>69690756
and then of course the cops decide to help the murderers by planting evidence on Avery?
come the fuck on
Apologize
>>69690913
You mean the cops who did the same thing when they accused him of rape?
come the fuck on
>>69690942
http://www.inquisitr.com/2729039/making-a-murderer-disgraced-d-a-ken-kratz-blames-addiction-for-sexting-scandal-that-cost-him-his-law-license/
>>69690913
yeah, cops genuinely believed avery was guilty and planted the evidence they were lacking to gain a conviction
how else do you explain a bullet turning up months after the initial search of the garage
>>69690700
>kid describes a literal bloodbath in the bedroom
>not a spec of Teresa's blood or DNA found
>key pieces of evidence aren't found in either the house or the garage until the cops with invested interest in seeing Avery imprisoned turn up for their fifth sweep
>>69690575
I don't disagree that it was not completely on the level but that shit happens every single day, m8. Take it up with the system cause nothing illegal happened. Also how did Brendon not get a fair trial and what was his lawyers part in that? You seem to think that because he wasn't fighting for a not-guilty verdict that he wasn't advocating for Brendon.
The only input we get about it in the documentary is from Brendan's sweet but unassuming mother and then Avery's lawyers who have a vested interest in making the case seem as flimsy as possible. In reality Brendan was fucked he admitted to being an accomplice in the murder. His lawyer did what he needed to do to avoid getting Brendan the death penalty which is where he was going to end up if he pled not guilty.
This is why I don't talk to Cops though even if I have no reason to hide anything. Their job is to get a man and then it's the Prosecutor's job to convict him. It's not their job to assume he's innocent that's the job of a judge and jury before they enter the case.
If you want to take something away from this it's that if the cops are going to talk to you, get a lawyer. Because even if you're guilty you could still get away with a lot by not talking.
>>69690913
Yeah the cops that he was suing. The same police department that framed him for rape years earlier.
>>69691089
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbfU4WnmCIA
did you forget this?
>don't mind me lads, just calling in a description of a car I've supposedly never seen before lol
>>69690942
The prize of fame.
>>69691213
why is literally every person connected in any way with this case an idiot?
is this a normal sampling of rural america or is this all some perfect storm of retardation
>>69690558
>The thing they use every day
Proof? Again you're ignoring a very simple line of logic in favor of a conspiracy theory involving many other people who don't have violent criminal records like Avery.
>>69690708
We got a regular Sherlock over here guys. When the main suspect is the last one to be seen with her alive in a very short time frame before she went missing, has a relationship with the victim, and has a violent criminal record, there's not a whole lot more to say.
What's the motive for the brother and boyfriend, since they are always thrown into the pot in desperation since the alternative is a random serial killer that happens to stalk the girl and then also know who to frame for it and when to do it.
>>69683895
who the fuck
saged
I've seen this thread a hundred times now. It's always the same.
Prizeposting is GOAT MaM meme.
Brendan "yeah" and "Wrestlemania" are a close second.
Sexy reporter waifu is patrician.
The faggy Redditors who always say Steve deserves it because he lit cats on fire, you dont belong on 4chan.
Anyone who trivializes the blatant illegal moves by the cops and courts because "muh documentary bias" are edgelord contrarian faggots who belong on 9gag.
>>69690990
What's an atty?
>>69691457
Do you know what's the reportes name? Do you have pics of her feet?
reminder that this is a completely one sided """documentary""" for easily swayed retards
Also reminder that:
>Avery was actively stalking the victim before the murder
>Avery was an abusive asshole his entire life and being falsely convicted the first time made him an entitled abusive asshole
>everything with his gf was fake. she was threatened to pretend he was a good guy because avery threatened her and has come out against the filmmakers publicly
>Avery threw a fucking cat into a fire
>HIS SWEAT was found in the hood of the car. good luck planting someones sweat
>>69691554
>>HIS SWEAT was found in the hood of the car. good luck planting someones sweat
there's no such thing as sweat DNA
>>69691554
this thread is about Brandon "Mr. Wrestlemania" Dassey, and his wrongful conviction.
https://youtu.be/XbfU4WnmCIA?t=425
>>69691382
>conspiracy involving cops
>no criminal violence on part of the conspiring
Fuck, get out from under a rock. Cops are literally second to the worst serial killers when it comes to fatal violence.
>>69691208
What does it prove?
Alright people I could go debating you all day and we probably wouldn't get anywhere but let me just posit this thought. Why did the documentary never take the side of the prosecution and presupposes a conspiracy as the only way Avery was convicted? If they truly had enough evidence to show reasonable doubt then they shouldn't have been so afraid to show the point of view of the prosecution outside the context of trying to pick them apart.
Even serial, which is heavily biased towards Adnan, admits that there is plenty of damning evidence against him. Making a Murderer doesn't merely try to show there was a reasonable doubt that Avery did it, which in my opinion there isn't, but that he's 100% innocent and further more being framed by the police.
Regardless of the evidence of Avery's innocence, the documentary has such a strong and obvious bias that I refuse to use it as the precipice of the argument.
>>69691648
>This much mental gymnastics to avoid a real discussion
Alright, that's fine if you want to admit you aren't willing to look at this objectively. I'm no statist bootlicker and it was fucked what happened to Avery with the rape charge on a purely legal level but I have 0 sympathy for him and so I'm willing to look at the facts without emotion.
>>69691382
Are you retarded? They said they used the thing every day. They said Steven knew how to use machine and doing so was part of his normal job.
>>69691612
btfo
>>69691840
Which is ridiculous, Steve couldn't use the car crusher because that would prove he did it
>>69691890
>a literal retard appears
Brendan, is that you?
>>69683895
>5 mins into netflix and kill he gives u this look
>>69691331
It's not a movie about true crime.
It's an introspective of the failure of the american school system.
>>69691707
it proves that dassey's lawyer wasnt properly defending his client. and then it shows his lawyer's investigator crying about halbach and then reading an email he sent to dassey's attorney basically saying that the avrey family are evil and in his words "we need to end the gene pool here". it also shows the investigator relay to the attorney they he got what they needed to help the prosecution of steven avrey, all the while dassey was trying to maintain innocence.
If he ever gets out of prison, I'm starting a fundraiser to get this guy lifetime tickets and flights to every Wrestlemania, if I collect enough, he's going to the Summer Slam as well.
>>69691457
You could always address my posts directly instead of cowardly hiding behind the guise of being some all knowing authority on MaM threads. I know you're talking about me because I've seen plenty of these threads and nobody really brings up Avery burning a cat and I alone in this thread have been trying to get people to ignore the documentary bias.
Seriously you're a little bitch and most likely one of the people I dismissed/proved wrong that doesn't have the balls or intelligence to have a simple debate with me. Go cry a fucking river over these killers. Doesn't change the fact that they have been in jail for years, rightfully so, and that nobody has yet been able to make a good enough case to get them out.
Also
>Redditors not being the anti-cop pro-Avery bleeding hearts
That's a good joke
>>69691208
what a fucking joke
>>69691707
are you really this fucking stupid?
>>69683895
Yeah?
>>69691457
Good summary tbqh.
>>69692035
>Think you can plead guilty and confess to a murder then go "oh jk I'm actually innocent" and then be expected to be treated as such
Sorry that's just not how the real world works, and investigators are allowed bias. So are lawyers. He still advocated for him to the best of his ability. Not much you can do other than plead out in that case. Brendan is just lucky he didn't get executed, frankly.
>>69692216
a confession from a 16 year old who was clearly confused and not aware of the gravity of the situation. He asked when they were going to let hi go so he could get back to school because he had a test.
you can have a confession removed from evidence under certain circumstances.
>>69691554
>cat
Jesus christ don't you have any idea how stupid you look when you use cats as a genuine argument for Avery's guilt. I'm not even sure he didn't do it, but you retards that bring up cats scare me. Are you one of those people on social media that are ready to hang a guy because someone accused him of rape? The documentary is not about whether Avery is a good guy. You don't deserve imprisonemt because you're an asshole.
>>69691840
Haha, ok. You really don't get it, do you? They know who does and doesn't use the crusher on any given day. Avery's parents believe he is innocent and Avery has plenty of other potential witnesses around. So when the cops start asking questions, you don't think a detail like Avery using the crusher would have sent off red flags for the police prompting further questions that would be extremely damning for Avery?
Looks like he's smarter than you, and he seems pretty fucking dumb.
>Inb4 dumb people can't commit murders!!!
>>69692051
Why are you pretending to be me?
>>69691554
Actually the prosecution couldn't use the DNA on the hood because there was a good chance an investigator had put it there himself.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/05/arts/television/ken-kratz-making-a-murderer.html
The fact that they never take the position that Avery might be guilty and then pretend like they aren't advocating for him is enough to dismiss the whole documentary. If you actually care about the case and not just emotional bullshit, go ahead and look into it. Plenty of articles about evidence that was never talked about in MaM.
The documentary also preys on people's lack of knowledge of the justice system and tries to paint very typical procedure as evidence of a conspiracy.
>>69692375
animal abuse is a pretty good indicator or psycho. it shows extreme lack of empathy.
>>69684478
>>69692375
No but when you're trying to prove a conspiracy, a lot of what you have to go on is character because you're assuming that the evidence is planted/doctored. So yes, actually, it is important. If you really only cared about evidence, well, Avery is in prison for murder and worse after being found guilty by a jury of his peers in a fair and speedy trial. Do you need to see a video of him doing the deed before you'll believe it?
Sorry bud, if it looks like a piece of shit, smells like a piece of shit, and was convicted for murder, it's a piece of shit that belongs in prison.
>>69693011
Yeah m8, everyone already knows that. But there's literally millions of people across the world that have abused animals without going onto murder.
Those that accuse the doc of being biased (missing the point of the show, but whatever) forget that they included Avery's cat history when they didn't have to, knowing full well that catfags would make up their mind about Avery and the trial there and then.
>>69692940
Kratz made the claim recently that evidence was left out. When he was asked in an interview what that evidence was, he didn't offer up much.
>>69693421
he didn't just burn ants with a magnifying glass or something, he poured a cat in gasoline, lit it on fire, and watched it suffer in agony as it burned alive. How many people do you know that do that and aren't psychopaths?
>one person convicted of killing a person in a garage
>another person convicted of killing that same person in a bedroom
how the fuck did this happen
>>69693497
It's really not so much the evidence left out but the context and the framing of it. If you just laid out the facts on the table, Avery is clearly guilty. The only leg to stand on in defiance of that is a conspiracy theory. Not that it's entirely implausible but the documentary doesn't really give any credence to the prosecutions case. So when the creators try to say they weren't advocating for Avery, I say BULLSHIT.
>>69693670
>brendan described the room covered in blood
>no blood was found
>>69683975
>government still hasn't been convicted of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra because you need to have the government's permission to convict them
>nobody gives a shit and still treats it like it's just some crazy government conspiracy or blows it off like it's not important that our government is continuing to get away with having illegal abducted US citizens and attempted mind control on them
>>69693736
Well the reality of MKUltra is much more "benign" than the claims that people usually tie to it. What is your point even, anyway? This isn't about the CIA or the limits of power of the government. This is about a guy who was convicted of murder in a podunk town and the bleeding heart liberals that want to see him walk because he's a good boy dindu nuffin.
>>69693805
It's on topic with criticism of the US justice system, and the government literally kidnapping US citizens regardless of what they intend to do with them isn't benign. It's literally something that should have caused a revolt and purge of government officials involved, but that ship has long since sailed.
>>69690575
> the police were acting overly calm and undermining the gravity of the situation, and for a 16 year old kid with no real experience in life he was susceptible to say some stupid shit.
Yeah, he admitted to murder (after hours of questioning) and was then surprised that he couldn't go home afterwards. Guy had no chance without a lawyer present.
>>69691331
There are clever rural people of course, it's just that they get out and move to big cities
