What went wrong?
>And the studio is working to smooth out the third act of Suicide Squad, its big August movie from director David Ayer that could change the perception of its DC line. The pic’s trailers have generated massive positive interest in the all-star actioner that features DC villains, and the studio wants to make sure audiences’ expectations are not only met but exceeded.
>Suicide Squad recently went under major additional photography (multiple sources say it was not to add humor) to clear up the issues.
how come it seems so hard for these studios to make these dumb mass-appeal movies any good
>>69676981
>What went wrong
David Ayer is a shit director and the entire cast is B-list nobodies with the possible exception of Will Smith, who is obviously desperate for a hit.
It's going to bomb because nobody fucking cares. You can make a good trailer for anything, but DC is tainted now and it smells like Snyder & Affleck
This is gonna be such a clusterfuck. I'm so ready.
>>69677058
>a shit director
He's the only good filmmaker working in capeshit
>>69677164
>the only good director
He's a screenwriter who made the same movie four times, then finally set it in WWII and made a decent movie with "Fury."
He has no idea what the fuck he's doing. Directors jump on superhero movies because they think it will help their careers, but that's only true if it's a Marvel movie or your name is Christopher Nolan.
>>69676981
It's another "OP posts shit and doesn't source it yet everyone believes him" thread
i hope they show the original scenes as bonus features on the blu-ray
>>69677058
it looks way more interesting than the generic shitty Avengers and BvS shitty shit movies recently. i think it'll do better than BvS at least, more people eager to see it based on the trailer and it has Joker and Harley Quinn in it.
>>69677320
Poisoning the well: the thread.
Hope you're getting paid, at least, OP.
>>69677087
This.
Studios gonna panic and promote the shit out of it, all the fansites are gonna be SHOCKED when it sucks, as if a great script or director could attract a cast so shit.
>>69676981
Oh come on can't you just have some faith in your product.
This just screams desperate clambering to compete with Marvel. The paranoia will be its downfall.
>>69677436
>>69677436
>I thought it was good until I saw a /tv/ post about
LITERALLY WHEN HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED
>>69677479
To 90% of tourists on this board
>>69677436
>implying anyone is being paid for posting opinions on an image board about feces, capeshit and Chinese cartoons
>>69677641
Hey, all I know is that someone around here seems to have a vested interest in shitting on "cape" movies not made by a very specific company.
Make of that what you will.
>>69677058
>entire cast b list no bodies
>jared leto
>margot robbie
>affleck
le memes ladies and gentlemans
>>69677058
end of watch was a great movie famalam
>>69677436
>>69677027
Try making a product that appeals to everyone. Neckbeards to normies, teens to 40+ year Olds, men and women. It's actuallyppretty hard to get it right.
>>69678430
Yeah, because just look at all these threads shitting on MCU movies months before they've even hit the screen.
I can barely keep a primitive-living youtube channel thread from archiving because of all those irate "DCucks" shitting up the board with totally biased, totally unsubstantiated shit threads.
I mean, it's unbelievable how bad it is.
>>69677402
>this nerd from a cambogdian knitting forum thinks people know or care who Harley Quinn is
anon, /tv/
>>69676981
>What went wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkAe6pg0UJo
someone have the picture of the logo getting progressively more colourful and cartoony?
>>69676981
Apparently the major reshoots were to up the action of the finale.
Which is stupid, because everyone is fucking sick of mindless action outside of Marvel films.
They probably just upped the amount of Harley.
>>69677058
This is as wrong as the Deadpool and Guardians predictions.
>>69676981
>that could change the perception of its DC line
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OP, you do realize that Civil War also went through reshoots?
The reshoots were just to add some final touches
>>69677027
they don't have marvel's magic touch
>>69678559
Try being me;
>Actual film fan
>Not a faggot /v/ or /co/ crossposter
>Have to deal with threads with supposed adults talking about the merits of Marvel Civil War - A pile of shit that is slightly above Power Rangers tier.
>Have half the other threads full of people ironically (I assume) praising the latest gargantuan mess of a film from Sndyer
What about ME.
>>69678568
Harley Quinn is one of the highest selling comics retard.
>>69678652
The difference here is that they are doing reshoots to add funny scenes to what would have been an edgy flick. Don't worry though. It'll join Ghostbusters with it's massive re-edits as it is coming closer to it's theatrical release. The musical was dropped from the movie so it might be good.
>>69677227
Fury sucks though. Pitts character is almost entirely motivated by his need to keep his crew alive through the war. in the last act for no reason at all he decides to go on a suicide mission that will accomplish nothing. LOL.
>>69677027
Marvel had a simple formula.
All D.C. had to do was copy it. Not be Le Edgy And Dark - Just make simple, dumb films for a good cost based on their superhero lines, except for maybe the prestige Batman line. Be patient and follow the exact same formula as Marvel.
They did the exact opposite, panicked and threw everything at the wall in a giant fit of WE MUST CATCH UP OR DIE!
>>69678703
>The difference here is that they are doing reshoots to add funny scenes
Except that's not why the reshoots were done. It was already explained why the reshoots were done, comedy wasn't one of them.
Hell, the 2nd Suicide Squad trailer had a shit ton of jokes, and that came after the supposed rumors that the reshoots were for comedy.
>>69678703
>massive re-edits
They did some reshoots, how is that massive re-edits?
>>69678688
You don't belong on this board. It's our board now.
>>69677027
Because people with actual artistic talent are ignored or couldn't make it into the business.
>>69678688
You have my complete sympathy.
That's why I advocate cinematic universe/show - general threads.
Lots of movies undergo reshoots (MCU included). It's more common an you think, only this one seems to be getting more publicity for the unrelated failures of BvS. But yeah sure, let's all bury the movie before it's even out.
>>69678773
This. Civil War got reshoots too.
>>69678773
*common than
>>69678799
Yeah, I remember all those threads shitting all over it, saying how it was going to be a massive flo-
Oh wait.
>>69678838
I wonder how much of those reshoots was for Spider-Man...
>>69676981
first trailer
> dark knight tier
recent trailer
> quipshit
t-thanks..
>>69678870
The first trailer wasn't for you.
The first trailer was meant for Comic-Con members only.
>>69677027
Difference is Kevin Feige. He is legitimately the smartest person in Hollywood atm
>Successfully maneuvers around stubborn Marvel execs to let him try MCU. Idea seemed bananas crazy at a time because Marvel was nearly bankrupt and most popular characters were splitted between other studios
>Takes the risk and produces Iron Man
>Proceeds with creating $10 bln franchise from nothing
>Runs things so efficiently that there were little to no scandals or production misfires for the project this large, namely all top stars are willing to continue filming
>No movie or script leaks like retards at Fox or Sony regularly do
>Of 13 movies he oversaw 13 are financially successful with 13 of those having positive critic reception
>Slowly returns Marvel characters to their home from other studios
>Excellent relations with Disney board as well as lots of Hollywood people
>Cucks Paramount
>Cucks Universal
>Picks up the fight with uncooperative CEO when the time comes
>Wins the fight and becomes co-CEO himself
>Cucks Sony into Spider-Man deal
>Humiliates WB/DC at capebowl of 2016
>MCU steamroller is going as strong as ever
>Starts war with co-CEO over Marvel TV. Starts it just at the moment when Civil War is breaking its billion while TV ratings are declining - a move that will undoubtedly make him look good and co-CEO bad. Looks like he is going to win this too
WB, Sony and Fox simply don't have anyone close to him. Feige revolutionized the blockbuster field while those corps still play by old rules.
Take WB, for example - they put WW movie right in between GotG 2 and MCU Spider-Man. Does this decision make sense according to 90's-00's blockbuster rules when you had to put movie in summer no matter what? Yes. Does it make any sense in current circumstances? Fuck no. Same shit with casting, picking directors, grand vision, everything really.
>>69679111
This is pretty accurate, except for the fact that "Ant-Man" was total shit.
>>69676981
>multiple sources say it was not to add humor
So, that means it was 100% to add humor.
>>69678714
Aesthetically it was Ayer's best movie.
Cinematically all of his movies are garbage, hence, OP pic is garbage.
>>69679238
Nice mem
>>69678688
If you're an actual film fan, you can appreciate the action genre as much as every other genre.
Plenty of action directors fuck up their own movie and it happens so often we take it for granted: Bad motivation, shit choreography, dull score, MUH SHAKY CAM to make it INTENSE AS FUCK.
The Russo Brothers aren't, like, Oscar-tier or anything, but CACW has one of the best, if not THE best, superhero fight scenes of all time. That shit is hard to do.
Also some dramatic beats landed really well. You want SRS DRAMA, logout and come back during awards season, kiddo.
>>69679175
By total shit, you mean total not shit right?
>>69679296
>superhero fight scenes of all time
That's not saying much.
All the fight scenes in Nolan's batman were horrible. It was always quick cut- quick cut, too zoomed in and rapid fire.
>>69679296
>The Russo Brothers aren't, like, Oscar-tier or anything, but CACW has one of the best, if not THE best, superhero fight scenes of all time. That shit is hard to do.
People used to talk about the SW prequel light saber fights exactly the same way. Let your hype cool off a bit.
>>69679175
Still got good critical acclaim and made more than enough money.
Your opinion dont mean shit
>>69679398
I'm sure your opinion of his opinion is devastating to him.
>>69679175
Do you not like fun?
>>69678690
what does that that mean 300K fedoras?
>>69679337
>>69679388
The choreography in TPM was pretty good, but they were shot so poorly that nobody gives a fuck. Those were not good movies.
The airport scene in CW has to be the best. It tops the previous record-holder, Superman vs Zod and his goons in downtown Metropolis (NY), which came out in **1980**
>>69679296
I love action movies.
I haven't seen Civil War - However The Winter Soldier was straight up trash. Awful on every single level. Terribly directed action scenes.
The trailer for Civil War looks every bit it's equal.
I don't know. Maybe that action scene is amazing. But I'm not going to pay to find out.
This is my beef with most Marvel films - They're cheap, nasty and just plain badly made.
The closest they've come to a good film (Guardians/Ant-Man) still felt slightly hampered by the constraints of the Marvel formula. They had an opportunity for three great scenes in Ant-Man that merely ended up "good" because of the lack of ambition (the Disintegration fight sequence in the briefcase, the 2001 tier ending and the train set fight - which could have been Wallace And Grommit tier).
Like I said, I don't want "srs drama", I just want good films. The Marvel films are shit for the most part, just like the Batman Vs. Superman Sndyer flicks. They're only watched and enjoyed by people who are into comic book superheroes.
They're not really /film/, unlike Nolan's flicks (which obviously are a mixed bag, but they're still actual movies that have more going on than branding).
>>69679398
>still got good critical acclaim
Except, no it didn't
>more than enough money
Not really, not for a Marvel movie. Letting Edgar Wright go was a huge mistake, Dr Strange doesn't look great but Black Panther got a killer setup this time around.
>>69677897
>Forgetting about will smith
>>69679465
>Fun
The huge sets were unique (and fun), but the rest of the movie was so generic and sloppy that I didn't realize any human could actually enjoy anything about it, except for young-CGI Michael Douglas, and no-CGI Paul Rudd.
>>69679111
So much this.
If you remember the JUST state that Marvel was back in 2007 his achievements look even more incredible. You also forgot
>Inironically makes movie about raccoon and a tree that is more successful than movie featuring Batman and Superman
>Makes Iron Man and Captain America larger cultural icons than Batman and Superman
>>69679175
Except that Ant-Man was great and did very, very well despite, well, for being fucking Ant-Man quite frankly. It's not a Iron Man level success but it was a success none-the-less.
Now let's see if DC can do the same with Cyborg (who frankly should never have come up in conversation ever in talks of movies) and Aquaman.
>>69679567
>there are people that take /tv/ memes literally
holy shit end yourself /v/ trash please
>>69679567
>The Winter Soldier was straight up trash. Awful on every single level. Terribly directed action scenes.
>They're not really /film/, unlike Nolan's flicks (which obviously are a mixed bag, but they're still actual movies that have more going on than branding).
I was with you until this comparsion came up. Opinion discarded.
>>69679567
>The Winter Solder was trash
>Ant-Man was one of their best
Fucking dropped, you don't even know what you're talking about. "I want to watch shit I like" is an acceptable answer, but good vs. bad should be a pretty easy metric.
TWS had characters. Ant-Man was as generic an action movie as you could possibly make with that concept. It was not good on any level.
>>69679571
It got a better rating than most of the MCU and for being such an unknown property made more than enough
>>69679538
>The airport scene in CW has to be the best.
I watched it in IMAX 3D the night it released. It was cute, entertaining, but in my opinion, by no means jaw-dropping, and it wasn't helped at all by the sketchy editing on the earlier, more grounded fight scenes.
>>69678568
>/tv/ poster accusing someone of being from /tv/
lel
>>69679599
you mean like America already did?
>>69678729
But what about the prison rape, anon!
SOMEONE'S DOING THE RAPING!
>>69679622
Ant-Man is the "Cars" of Marvel studios.
There are people out there who like it (for some reason), but compared to other output from the same studio it's total garbage.
>>69679649
>You don't even know what you're talking about
The fact that you can't differentiate between the two on what makes a good film vs. a bad film demonstrates you know more about superheroes than you do films.
>Ant-Man was as generic an action movie
No it wasn't.
It was well directed, for a start. It was well acted. It had some creative set pieces.
All things absent from Captain America.
YOU are the sort of tasteless cretins we're complaining about swarming this board.
>>69679659
If the Russo Brothers have a flaw, it's that they don't leave enough money in the budget for a steadicam, but other than that they did OK.
>>69679704
>Total Garbage
>Implying you can get worse than Thor.
Please tell me you're just a blinded fanboy obsessive and not actually legitimately retarded.
>>69679743
>differentiate between the two
I did. Explicitly. You can't read.
>Ant-Man was good because I can't tell the difference between charisma and acting
I don't know what the "good direction" was you were talking about. The camera was always pointed at the actors, I guess? Creative setpieces don't make a great movie. Following a formula does not (which is what you claim to be against when you bitch about CW).
All three Cap movies have had GREAT setpieces. Great acting from Chris Evans ( really underrated, imo), but because he's not smarmy and charming like Paul Rudd I guess that doesn't do it for you.
Great action sequences, albeit camera a bit too shaky.... can someone else who isn't this dumbass weigh in here that The Avengers and TWS are generally agreed upon to be the best Marvel movies so far?
Superheroes aside, filmmaking is filmmaking, and you're doing the thing where you mistake what you like for what is good. That's very high school of you.
>>69679751
Yeah, I'd be willing to agree on OK; I just didn't think they'd given us the greatest superhero fight of all time.
>>69679704
I haven't seen Cars so I can't comment. I will say however that anyone who thinks Ant-Man is a worse movie than either Thor movie is out of his mind.
>>69679766
I didn't say it was the worst one, just that it was not good.
Kenneth Branagh is a fucking terrible director, the single worst Marvel movie is Thor Act I. The last two thirds of the movie got better ("I LIKE IT!"), but it's a process.
>>69679852
As someone else pointed out, it's a low bar.
>>69679599
>the possible exception of Will Smith
americucks everyone
>>69679111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaR__kswLrU
based
>>69679743
>Unironically thinks that poorly choreographed action scene in TDK trilogy or cartoony CGIfest of Ant-Man are better than any action scene in the Winter Soldier
>>69679849
>I did
No you didn't.
>Charisma and acting
>Acting
>In a Marvel film
Jesus christ, fucking casuals make me sick.
>GREAT set pieces
I've only seen the first two, and they featured not a single notable action sequence. Straight up flat television blocking and coverage.
>I don't know what the "good direction" was you were talking about
I know. I already said you were clueless.
>Creative set pieces don't make a great movie
It's Marvel. Nothing they make is great. It made for a good action movie. It's a sliding scale.
>can someone else who isn't this dumbass weigh in here that The Avengers and TWS are generally agreed upon to be the best Marvel movies so far?
They're both terrible movies. The finale of The Avengers is one of the worst things I've ever sat through in a cinema. It was Transformers tier terrible.
This is why cine-illiterate retards need to go back to /co/.
>Superheroes aside
I don't care about superheroes.
>filmmaking is filmmaking
I know, hence why Ant-Man being a bad "superhero" film compared to Captain America is irrelevant to me. One is a good enough film, the other is incompetently made trash.
>>69679615
It still believe we live in a fucking parallel universe and somewhere on real earth someone says: "You know out there on earth 52 or something there is a world where Ironman and Captain America are more popular than Batman and Superman"
And the gets laughed at for saying that.
>>69679881
>Kenneth Branagh is a fucking terrible director
Jesus fucking christ.
You people are painfully stupid. PLEASE GO BACK TO /CO/.
>>69679916
I never said the action scenes in any Nolan films were good. They're terrible. He's learned a lot from Michael Bay.
>Cartoony CGI Fest
It's a comic book movie. What's wrong with that? It's better than the drab, point-and-shoot CGI flatness of The Winter Soldier.
>>69679111
>WB, Sony and Fox simply don't have anyone close to him. Feige revolutionized the blockbuster field while those corps still play by old rules.
WB has Bruce Timm, who accomplished this "MCU" stuff long ago on TV with the DCAU, but WB is too dumb to put him on movies.
>>69679954
Just stop, man. You're digging yourself deeper and deeper. Just admit that you liked some movies and did not like others instead of using "good" and "bad". Winter Soldier's action scenes are objectively better shot than anything in both of those movies.
>>69679111
And lets now forget
>He was actually a comic fan in his youth and familiar with the characters from the get-go
That's also more than any of the WB of FOX exces can say about themselves
>>69678488
It fucking is NOT, jesus. Read the Sony emails and you'll see its because producers are fucking IDIOTS
>>69676981
why does every character in that picture look so bland? I dont feel like I want to know more about any of them
>>69677164
>He's the only good filmmaker working in capeshit
Yeah right. Also all of his movie were r-rated, so I don't think he'll do well with the restraint of pg13 and massive studio meddling
>>69678729
>don't even try to be original, just copy copy copy and stay mediocore
this. Why even try to make kino if you can make shit? the capeshit viewers are mostly mentally retarded anyway.
>>69677641
JESUS CHRIST, MARIE
>>69676981
lmao that's always a good sign
watch this shit flop even harder than BvS and sink DC under once and for all
>>69681018
BvS failed not because it was too serious or dark or lacked quips, but because it was plainly unentertaining in a genre where entertainment is a bread and butter. TDK was grim as fuck but it was entertaining and successful.
>>69679175
And man was literally the best capeshit movie so far
>>69679918
not him in case he can be bothered speaking to you again, but you're really coming across like a dumbo btw
>>69680258
Everybody I know in real life watches capeshit.
Young old, normie, /r9k/-tier. They all love it.
It makes a shitzillion dollars. How can they possibly fuck it up.
>>69681197
If *smacks lips* Suicide Squash fails DC is probably cancelling the whole cinematic universe idea
>>69679615
>Makes Iron Man and Captain America larger cultural icons than Batman and Superman
Seriously, who the fuck could have predicted this? Batman/Superman were literally beloved household names, now Iron Man/Cap are more popular.
DC really dropped the ball, although like was previously said, it's kind of a miracle Marvel had Feige to save them
>>69679908
I always admire men who have a vision and do everthing in their power to let that vision come true.
There was nothing guarantueeing the MCU was gonna be a huge success. I fact everything was set for failure and here we are. Rhe highest grossing movie franchrise of all time EVERY one tries to copy because of one single man's childish vision to bring a comic universe to the big screen.
It's this sort of dedication that is truly inspiring.
>>69680195
head rumors WB doesn't want Timm for live action despite the amazing DCAU because the execs don't wanna be told what to do
>>69681543
This. You can hate Marvel flicks all you want for real or perceived flaws, but you have to admire what Feige's accomplished.
>>69681294
>unentertaining
Did we watched the same movie? i think you might have a case of the faggot
>>69676981
this seriously looks stupid as hell
>major reshoots
why are marvel drones so insufferable ???
>>69677027
nepotism aka networking
>>69679296
the stairwell fight was great
the airport fight was 100% shit (except for ant man and Captain America's attempt to murder a 13 year old )
>>69678688
>manchildren BTFO
based anon
>>69684152
There was nothing entertaining about two classic superheros behaving out of character in a dull 10 hours long flick. 10 minutes of actual BvS fight cant make up for how boring and uninspired the rest of it was.
>>69684269
Winter Soldier was great you idiot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW8_usG_B0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmByegi7-ds
>>69679111
All of these movies were horrendous and I still gauge the success of capeshit by two standards:
1. RDJ the quip god channeling other movies through Ironman's tractor beam
2. There has to be something in Alan Moore's words of general public seeking simple solutions to complex dilemmas
However I'm still dumbfounded this shit goes on and on and on and never stops. If they continued Star Wars immediately after the prequels they would kill the franchise. Perhaps the consumers don't see all this movies as one and the same even when gathered around in "cinematic universe" or whatever it is.
![130700[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NhUkMs5.jpg "130700[1].jpg")
I don't know but I can tell what went right
>>69684643
>flat white girl ass
>>69684549
Or perhaps those movies are actually good and you are wrong like always
>>69684700
If you think any of those movies is good you're a fucking retard
>>69684676
back to /a/ pedo
>>69681086
Fuck, why did I laugh at this
Suicide Squad is probably gonna be the best DC movie, but when it comes to DC cinematic universe as whole who's bright idea was to have third movie be about some group of minor villians who are barely connected to the rest of mythos?
>>69684770
I can look at those movies without preconceptions and say that some of them are absolute shit and some are pretty good. You, on the other hand act like dumb fedoracore "man" who is guided by desire to appear smart
>>69684362
>great
please stop posting
>>69684341
>I NEED MORE QUIPS
>>69685188
None of them are pretty good, you're a retard.
>>69685326
>Accused of being a fedora
>Gets defensive and acts like one
>>69679296
>but CACW has one of the best, if not THE best, superhero fight scenes of all time
No. Even TWS has better action scenes. The only good action scene on CW was the stairs one and Im pretty sure you completely overlooked it.
>>69679908
That was actually interesting, thanks
Did they add CIA and Bane? I don't think /tv/ would function again for a week
>>69679175
Fuck you Paul Rudd is funny
what a goddamn disaster
What is it about DC movies and terrible third acts?
Man of Steel, BvS, and now apparently Suicide Squad are guilty of melting down in Act 3.
Is it really that hard to film the parts where the good guy fights the bad guy?
>>69679622
>Auqalad
kek what the fuck id he suppost to do, beach party? His power is bound to the sea. It would be badass if he could control water in general and drain the fluids out of enemies. What a lame hero.
>>69678690
So she's popular among neckbeards?
