So I saw The Hobbit in theaters, and to this day I am still confused.
When asked about the other wizards, he mentioned the 2 blue wizards.
Then says "I forgot their names"
The audience laughed, wholeheartedly, and I found it just really odd. It wasn't a joke and was just like the most autistic moment I've seen an audience have.
Why is it funny that Gandalf forgot their names?
>>69647602
lol gandalf is a forgetful old goof
Maybe it's a nod to the fact that Tolkien forgot about them too
>>69647602
Because the blue wizards aren't named in Lord of the Rings and the filmmakers didn't have the rights to the books where they ARE named, so they made a funny maymay about it.
Guys, what's the Halfling's Leaf? Remember in LOTR where Saruman says "Your love of the Halfings' leaf has clearly slowed your mind."
Is itDUDE WEED LMAO?
>>69647843
It's the pipe weed Gandalf is constantly smoking I think
>>69647779
>so they made a funny maymay about it.
Like in The Two Towers when Frodo and Sam are in Osgiliath and Sam says "by rights we shouldn't even be here!"
>>69647885
Yes but in The Hobbit+LOTR, "pipe-weed" IS Halfling's Leaf.
So I guess what I'm asking is, is the pipe-weed DUDE WEED LMAO?
King's Weed is tobacco that is argued that Halflings discovered, the argument is a dwarf also claims to have discovered it first, hence the name King's Weed, some dwarven king, but really it was Halflings that discovered it first.
And why not say it's like pot, it's got medicinal properties, which tobacco doesn't since it's a poison.
so
ya, it's like pot.
>>69647843
Nah it's some kind of tobacco
>>69647779
Was there a maymay about it, I saw it opening day, and the audiance laughed at this odd point...
>>69647843
in the books - tobacco
in lotr films - ambiguous, saruman says that but none of the characters seem affected by it
in the hobbit - 420 brah *airhorn* blaze it lmao
>>69647939
Explain?
>>69647983
But Saruman clearly says "Halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind".
Tobacco is a stimulant (of sorts), so how would that make one's mind get "slowed"?
>>69647980
>>69648028
DUDEShould I read the Simarillion if I want to find out about this or just the LOTR books
>>69647964
tobacco is a new world plant
cannabis is an old world plant
take a guess
>>69648059
>But Saruman clearly says "Halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind".
He only says this in the movie, not in the books where pipeweed is explicitly tobacco.
>>69648097
Potatoes.
>>69648059
That Saruman line is just PJ being retarded. It's in the prologue of LOTR. Tolkien says it's a variant of Nicotiana.
See: http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/04/24/is-pipe-weed-supposed-to-be-marijuana-or-tobacco/
In short, it's not weed. It's some kind of tobacco
>>69648059
It was in the footnotes of my book, there was like a bit of a codex at the back of the book but I think King's Weed is an essential thing, since it's also what saves Bilbo's life. Since it had medicinal properties it's why it might not be seen as Tobacco like we know it... maybe a cross between the two...
>>69648059
I always took it to be saruman just being a jerk "stop watching tv it rots your brain" "don't use a cellphone it gives you cancer" kind of thing.
None of the characters appear to get high, until the hobbit trilogy where they cross their eyes like cartoon characters.
>>69648206
King's weed is not pipeweed, it's a totally different plant that Aragorn uses as a healing remedy.
>>69648026
No. I laughed about it because I know they aren't named and I saw it opening day. Though only me and my friend got the joke in my group.
>>69648219
I dunno when Bilbo and Gandalf are sitting there they seem pretty chill.
>>69648054
They don't go to Osgiliath in the books.
>>69648231
That's Kingsfoil your thinking off
>tfw you realize you're an autist for knowing that of the top of your head
>>69648102
This is why I ask if I should read the Simarillion or the LOTR books since I've only ever read The Hobbit.
>>69648285
Do you like incredibly long books? What about semi-finished books with little to no narrative?
>>69648219
Yeah, this. Hitler hated tobacco. Hitler bad. Saruman bad. Saruman hates tobacco.
>>69648341
>yes
>not as much
>>69648246
Have you ever smoked a pipe full of high quality tobacco? It's chill as fuck.
>>69648380
Try LotR then. Silmarilion is more of an anthology of unrelated stories, it's not even meant to be taken too literally since it's effectively the "Elvish Bible", intentionally biased and from a non-authorial pov.
>>69648263
You reach turbo autist if you can tell me its other name with correct spelling
Who are the 2 bLUE wizRDS?
>>69648492
>Athelas, the she-elf uses it on handsome-dwarf in The Hobbit
;_;
>>69648491
Technically that's true of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit as well.
>>69648522
Pallando and Alatair, they went into the east and played no part in the events of Lord of the Rings.
>>69648555
Ok, thanks m8
>>69648529
True, but the in-setting authors of "the Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings" (Bilbo and Frodo, respectively) not only lived thru the events they wrote about, they also tried to be as objective as possible. The stories of the Silmarillion are often "interpretations" or outright "poetic license", they make no effort to be objectively "true" or to relate events as they actually happened.
>>69648604
Yes this is why I was ax'ing about the books
>>69648522
Alatar and Pallando are the Blue wizards. They're briefly mentioned in the book of lost tales by tolkien
>>69647939
shit I never got that
that's pretty funny
>>69648492
>turbo autist
>for knowing something talked about in one of the most famous book trilogies in existence
dude, I can spell Barad-dûr, I'm such a nerd lol
>>69649370
No you're not
>>69649455
Oh. My mistake.
>>69648492
asëa aranion
>>69648805
Writings of Bilbo, Frodo, Sam and the others were put together by unrelated scribes when a copy was made for the library of Minas Tirith, and there's presumably some historical distance between that and the material Tolkien 'translated' his books from. They were the equivalent of Venerable Bede serving as a source for a XIX century chronicler in Russia.
>>69648028
>lotr films - ambiguous, saruman says that but none of the characters seem affected by it
>he's never seen the extended version
Pleb detected. If you watch the extended scenes with Merry and Pippin it's 100% obvious it's a weed reference. They even get the munchies and discuss eating a shitload of elven bread, which couldve lasted them for literally weeks, in 1 sitting.
select images: grass. Kek.
>>69653091
Hobbits love food in general, though. They don't need weed to get the munchies. Also, when was that scene?
>>69647602
These movies are kinda growing on me as time goes by. Nowhere near as good as LotR though
>>69653393
The Extended Editions are pretty good, not memeing
>>69648028
In the extended version of the lotr films it's obvious that it's definitely a weed-reference. Merry and pippin even get the munchies from it.
I just posted something similar 5 minutes ago but it somehow got removed?
>>69653559
Nvm my PC is sperging.
>>69653308
The scene where they talk about the munchies is in the beginning of the second movie I think and a scene with them smoking the weedgrass and raiding sarumans food storage room (where it's really obvious) is after the fall of isengard.
