Who was the better villain, /tv/?
IMO, I'd say Zemo.
>>69322763
>Lex' plan
I will kidnap Martha, that will make them fight. I hate them because I hate god xD
>Zemo's plan
I will make the Avengers hate and tear each other apart. for killing my family.
>>69322763
Ajax
>>69322881
>but muh symbolism
>>69322881
Zemo fucking sucks at accomplishing his goal. All he manages to do is cripple War Machine and making Stark pissy for half of the next Avengers movie.
Lex
>>69322881
You know muh family is a tired cliche motivation as well as right?
>>69322881
>I will discredit the most powerful thing the planet has ever seen because it is a danger to every major corrupt power system which is dangerous to the balance of society. Also fuck you, God.
Based
>YOU KILLED MUH FAMILY REEEEEEEE
Shit
Lex. Marvel was trying to copy DC again.
Eisenberg also gave a memorable performance that will be remembered
>>69322996
>DCucks are this desperate
>>69323009
>Eisenberg also gave a memorable performance that will be remembered
For being shit?
Uh.. t-thanks DC...
>>69322959
>all of Cap's team and Widow are international criminals and have gone into hiding
>Tony Stark is overwhelmed by guilt over an incredible series of fuck-ups, will likely turn to alcohol soon
>Rhody is crippled
>Vision is shaken over the fact he almost killed Rhody on accident, will likely refrain from using powers in the future
Zemo won.
>>69323031
Ah yes, the MCuck desperately trying to incite a mob response. Typical of a child to be devoid of any argument and looking to his fake friends to alleviate the soul shattering dissonance that comes with being a Marvel fanboy.
Maybe Evans will let you eat his shit one day if you post his face enough.
>>69322996
nah. he literally just does it because he hates god. his reasonings are zero, so they may as well just have made him Joker 2.0.
>>69322904
You mean.. Francis, right?
Zemo by a fucking mile
Nobody will remember Zemo 2 months from now
People are still talking about how great Lex was and will continue to do so
>>69322763
can we just take a moment and appreciate how dank the name Helmut Zemo is? I mean jesus christ
>>69322881
Have to keep those motivations basic for marvel fans.
REVENGE REVENGE IT WANT REVENGE RRREEEE
>>69323009
Oh it was memorable alright...
>>69322763
Zemo had reasons, a plan and was able to improvise on the go.
And he mostly succeeded.
>b-but its too simple revenge pff everyone can have revenge
its still a reason
>>69323161
>People are still talking about how great Lex was and will continue to do so
You mean how shit he was.
>>69323161
yeah mhm. very memorable. despite the 27 percent. despite the general audience being MEH. despite the box office bomb.
yeah. memorable. because a DCuck on a Maltese image board says so.
yeah. mhm. totally.
anyway, Zemo.
>>69322996
>I will discredit the most powerful thing the planet has ever seen because it is a danger to every major corrupt power system which is dangerous to the balance of society.
Literally never said OR implied any of this.
>Also fuck you, God.
Implied this.
Stop, DCuck.
You fucking serious? Zemo hands down.
>>69322996
This. Marvelfags are delusional to think otherwise.
>>69323122
Really, the only one who made it through Civil War pretty much unscathed was Spidey. And even he got his ass kicked by some Brooklyn punk named Steve.
>>69322763
Zemo. Lex was shit. BvS was shit
Zemo while not even close to being Zemo, he had a goal and achieved it more or less.
Lex was fucking butchered and all over the place and was played so badly.
Zemo wins
>>69323173
better than an autistic sperg wanting them to fight because... literally no reason.
Zemo wanted to teach the Avengers a lesson, he wanted them to despise each other. he wanted to tear them apart. he replays his dead wifes voice on his phone every waking moment of his life, because The Avengers took her away from him. they didn't care about the damage, they never did. so Zemo knew they had to be stopped. no one else stepped up to the plate like he did. Zemo bossed it, and succeeded.
>>69323287
Spidery broke a couple ribs as least
going to name my son Zemo to be quite honest with you lads. that name is insanely legit
>>69322763
I just got out of the theatre watching CW, and I watched BvS a few weeks ago as well. Lex has potential to be interesting across multiple films if they expanded instead of cramming too many teasers in one film.
So as far as a single standalone is concerned Zemo easily takes the cake. I prefer BvS overall, but Zemo was much more satisfying as a villian.
>>69322763
If you unironically think Luthor you have shit taste.
>>69323242
But don't you remember him saying this?
Oh no you don't because DC doesn't forcefeed its shitty character motivations down your throat and instead respects its audience enough to make a complex enough character that is worth discussing.
But you're right MCuck, they DID kill Zemo's family.
More evansposts please. When you grow out of this Marvel phase you'll understand that this is the only good that came of it.
zemo broke up the avengers then made them criminals if they superhero any where.
lex pissed in a jar
>>69322978
But it is a motivation
>>69323429
I wish Disney paid me to argue with retards like you.
>>69322763
>I'm an atheist because my dad beat me, something about bells!
>my wife and child are dead!
At least Zemo had a clear motivation. Hell, even his plan was basically"find evidence Captain America's best friend killed Iron Man's parents and send it to Iron Man."He didn't even need half the shit that happened to happen.
>"GRR I HATE SUPERMAN IS HE GOD THATS WHY I HATE HIM SO I WILL MAKE HIM FIGHT A HUMAN HAHA OH AND ALSO I WILL MAKE DOOMSDAY SO THEY CAN TEAM UP THUS ULTIMATELY RUINING MY OWN PLAN FUCK GOD LOL THIS IS MY PLAN"
in the end, he failed because.. he planned to fail?
vs
>"these fucks have to be taught a lesson. they came to my city, they caused destruction, they killed my family. and in the end, what did the so called heroes do? they left. I use my wifes voice as a reminder that everything I do is to stop these so called heroes. I won't kill them. I won't even come in contact with them. but I will ruin them. this is my plan."
in the end, he succeeded. without EVER coming into contact with anyone, except Black Panther.
>>69323429
>DC fans on suicide watch
>>69323512
I can't imagine living a life so devoid of satisfaction that I would gobble up a Marvelshit and call it good. It makes me want to wretch.
Seek help.
>>69323472
You know what Zemo did that almost no other Marvel villain could? He survived.
>>69323571
to be fair, he tried really hard to not do that.
>>69322763
How did Zemo know that Winter soldier kill Stark's parents? How did he even know about any of the top secret super soldier stuff? Wasnt he just a random guy that got his family killed.
>>69323569
He's a handsome guy. More please. Your homoerotic fetishization of this man is great meme material.
>>69323429
>someone post an opinion that you don't like
>"hurr you must be a shill!"
Fuck off m8. I liked BvS but even I am not deluded to think Lex was good. Zemo is far better than him
>>69323553
>It makes me want to wretch.
Kinda like a jar of urine on your desk, huh?
>>69323606
>>69323496
So's hating God, what's your point?
>>69323596
He saw the details in the files Black Widow leaked. It was encrypted but he got the gist through patience. Which is why he went to that Hydra dude.
When that guy wouldn't give him the info, he improvised as things went along to get the tape.
>>69322763
Of course it's Zemo. This isn't even a contest OP. Lex sucked ass.
>>69323642
>let me make a human fight Superman, who is not god, because I hate god
HMM
>>69322881
>Lex' plan
I'm edgy and spoiled
>>69323621
That jar of piss had more backstory and relevance than the entire character of Black Panther lmao
I honestly can't believe people are dumb enough to thinkgo away shills, fuck.
Lex was more memorable than Zemo because he was terrible rather than just being bad, while Zemo was merely good as opposed to excellent.
>>69323553
I can't imagine being so concerned with another person's subjective tastes that it makes me physically ill.
You have issues, dude.
>LOL I JUST HATE GODS SO MUCH MUCH SO I'LL HAVE A HUMAN FIGHT A GOD THEN MAKE A MONSTER THAT IS A GOD CAUSE... REASONS
vs
>These heros killed and destroyed my home and have no repercussions. They deserve to be destroyed. I want them to fall apart.
Zemo.
>>69323723
Lex is caught up in humanity's deification of Superman. Sure he has a name like Clark Kent but the man literally flies - how can you not be suspicious of that?
Besides my first point was Zemos motivation being cliche, his exposition dump at the end being crap (though decently performed) and no ones refuted me on that
>>69323807
>no backstory
black panther and his country have been referenced since the creation of cpt America's shield on screen. Age of Ultron's fight between ironman and hulk destroyed the city of Wakanda. Seeing Black Panther finally appear is something that many movies have been leading to. he's got alot of backstory if you'd pay attention
>>69323933
>the man literally flies
Will the extended cut include scenes of Lex interrogating birds and Cessna pilots?
>>69323981
Alright I'm out
>>69323868
Not their taste but simply the thought of BEING someone whose life was so pathically droll that that level of shit taste could exist would make me suicidal.
Read better, fgt, and enjoy your shitematic universe.
>>69323933
And? Most people here seem to be arguing that the execution is what makes Zemo better. They don't care that it's formulaic, especially compared to Lex. Because hating Superman for petty reasons is what he's done in basically every Superman film for decades.
>>69323593
anons gotta point
>>69323835
This desu. For better or worse, Lexberg has been immortalized as a meme.
Zemo is OP as fuck, but he will be forgotten as soon as Thanos start to be featured more.
>>69323136
No the fucking soap you nut. Worst product ever. Enemy to menkind.
When he first appeared on Civil War I could've sworn he said "My name is Emo"
>>69324082
That is until he comes back in Phase 4 to lead the ThunderboltsFeige pls
Zemo is a better actor, has better motivation and the way he gets them to fight makes more sense
>>69324068
Lex's reason were all over the place and had no rhyme or reason. Zemos, while cliche, was done very well and was accomplished more or less
>>69324189
Lex' motivation was philosophical and his plan was practical.
Zemo's motivation was personal and his plan hinged on unknown variables coming together.
(How did he know Iron Man was going to show up at the soldier factory?)
Lex was out there.
Zemo was generic.
>>69324185
>the way he gets them to fight was overly contrived
FTFY
>>69324298
>Lex' motivation was philosophical and his plan was practical.
>>69324298
Eisenberg was basically playing an edgy 14-years old pretending to be Ledger's Joker while quoting any Hitchens meme he can find on google.
>>69324298
Lex's plan was in no way practical. It was fucking dumb, which also hinged on a lot of unknown variables as well. Zemos was sloid and he changed it each time to make sure hos goal was sought out. He sent the hotel lady to the room so the body would be found and break the news, once that broke, Tony would see and feel like shit for blaming Bucky, so he would go apologize and help find the guy responsible.
>>69324298
He just wanted the tape. He could have bailed long before they came and showed it anywhere. He says in the first scene the Hydra dude is forcing him to get messy and improvise.
>>69322763
Lex was miles better than zemo and I'm not even memeing.
>>69324363
Lex' casualties: Superman
Zemo's casualties: ????
>>69324448
Did you watch either of those movies?
>>69324402
read >>69324402
>>69324298
His plan may have been out there but it was shit. Plus his philosophical "motivation" is the whole god angle which has been done in films too. His is just as generic.
>>69324448
>Lex' casualties: Superman
Confirmed for not watching the movie
>>69324448
Lex' casualties: The DCEU
Zemo's casualties: King of Wakanda
>>69322763
Bruhl>>>>>>>>>Eisenberg
For that reason alone, Zemo.
>>69323272
More like delusional Dcuck
>>69323315
>better than an autistic sperg wanting them to fight because... literally no reason.
Lex gave multiple expositions regarding his motivations.
>>69324519
Since when was the King of Wakanda an Avenger?
>>69324402
>I didn't get the movie, the post.
>>69324554
Made the majority international criminals to the world.
>>69324554
>>69324565
>I can't refute the argument so I will just say you didn't get it
>>69324448
Zemo's casualties: King T'Chaka, and any sense of camaraderie between the Avengers
Lex's casualties: Nobody who stayed dead. His unleashing of Doomsday should have killed some people, but Gotham was conveniently vacant that night.
They both suck
Why does everyone act like Zemo has some grand plan? All he wanted was the tape and find where it was. Everything else was him improvising.
>>69324402
Fucking this. I can't believe people had a hard time realizing how Tony would get to the area where Zemo would be.
>>69324615
He killed Mercy. That evil bastard.
>>69324643
It was a simple goal but he was able to improvise it and get it accomplished and make it fuck up the avengers.
Its simple and effective.
>>69322763
Didn't Zemo had Hydra affiliations in the comic books?
>>69324615
>Lex's casualties: Nobody who stayed dead.
Yea, let's forget about the senate blowing up.
And King T'Chaka wasn't even the main target of Zemo. Collateral damage. Another plot contrivance right there.
Had Bruhl is more handsome, he could be a major star like Fassbender.
Too bad he'll most likely stuck in indies/supporting cast in blockbusters.
>>69324632
great insight anon
>>69322763
>zemo killed my kikefu
>she literally cucks him
man i love that girl
>>69323009
Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor was a nigger.
A NIGGER IS PILOTING YOUR UNIVERSE
>>69324609
He gives a full exposition on the tower as to his plan.
>You are not God, you are either not all powerful, or not all good.
Lex has two plans, Batman and Doomsday, these plans, in combination, cover not all powerful or not all good.
If Superman is all powerful, than he is not all good and he will fail the batman test. That is, by killing batman he will destroy his image and no longer be able to operate as superman.
If Superman is all good, than he is not all powerful and will fail the doomsday test. That is, Doomsday will defeat him.
This is what happens, his plan had 100% coverage and was thus practical.
>>69324769
>Your average Marvel fan.
>>69324448
superman's not dead. He's just jon snowing it until batman finds more superheroes on youTube.
zemo has a pretty high body count. killed that hydra dude to get the book/files, blew up a bunch of folk at the UN, killed the doc he impersonated, and when he Danny the Dog'd Bucky - dude ripped apart that Berlin station. Who knows how many people he killed.
>movie based around heroes fighting each other
>boring villains with retarded plans
>bad CGI abound
who was copying who here?
>>69324773
Then how is Zemos plan not practical?
Luthor is the better actor and character. Zemo had the better plotline for his character.
>>69324835
I haven't seen civil war. A bunch of guys fighting in the car park in the trailer didn't appeal to me at all.
>>69324827
I love that Marvel fans were like "Wow so it isn't batman vs superman? Lex is pulling the strings, that's so bad". But civil war was the exact same thing.
If we are talking body counts, Zod wins. Dude terraformed a few City blocks.
>>69324971
Superman amd him would have a tie probably
>>69324936
>civil war was the exact same thing.
DCucks actually believe this
>>69324835
Because it hinges on them not finding out that Zemo was behind it. Seriously.
Once Zemo spilled the beans to Cap what his plan was I couldn't take him seriously anymore.
>I want to make the Avengers fight each other
>Let me tell Cap about what I did
>mfw it actually works
It's retarded that people actually believe his plan made any sense. The only thing that made sense was his motivation. And the fact that Bruhl is a good actor.
>>69324671
>>69324708
Right. Forgot about Granny's Peach Tea. Still, it doesn't seem like it mattered. The US surprisingly didn't go into martial law after the motherfucking Capitol Building was destroyed in a terrorist attack that Superman apparently either didn't stop or outright caused.
>>69324773
So, if Superman killed Batman, and then Doomsday killed him, what exactly does that prove? The whole fucking world would die in a matter of days without anyone to stop him. Lex appears to have not completely thought out his cunning plan.
>>69325017
So Civil War DID NOT have another villain pulling the strings?
Civil War DID end with an Iron Man vs Cap fight?
>>69324708
I don't think you understand what contrivance means.
>>69325041
>>69325041
The only time I can recall him saying his "plan" is when he says what he wants and he says for an empire to fall. That is just him stating his goal. His plan changes due to circumstances and new info which are all spelled out on screen easily.
>>69325121
>Still, it doesn't seem like it mattered.
Did you even watch the movie? He killed the senator that didn't allow him to make weapons to kill Superman and didn't give him access to the ship while also making Superman doubt himself.
>So, if Superman killed Batman, and then Doomsday killed him, what exactly does that prove?
Lex: "Want to know the biggest lie? That power can be innocent."
He creates something more powerful than Superman just to prove this.
Did you even watch the fucking movie?
>>69324936
>"Wow so it isn't batman vs superman? Lex is pulling the strings, that's so bad"
This is rarely if ever said.
>>69325216
It's a contrivance to make Black Panther appear.
Moron.
>>69325172
>Civil War DID end with an Iron Man vs Cap fight?
Yeah. Have you seen it?
>>69325121
>So, if Superman killed Batman, and then Doomsday killed him, what exactly does that prove?
That Superman wasn't all powerful. Which is what Lex set out to do.
>The whole fucking world would die in a matter of days without anyone to stop him. Lex appears to have not completely thought out his cunning plan.
Lex gives you an insight into this with his speech into the party. He idolizes the one who took the power from the Gods and used it. He believes those who have the most knowledge should have the most power. He doesn't care if he fucks over the world in an attempt to expose superman, better it be by his hand, that has been quintessential Lex for decades now.
is there a stream available for civil war? i cant torrent.
>>69325262
>This is rarely if ever said.
It was spammed over and over. From the first Lex appearance until after the movie dropped.
>>69325240
>He creates something more powerful than Superman just to prove this.
You realize that if the government hadn't fired that nuke, Supes would have just thrown Doomsday into space and been done with it, right?
>>69325041
He never told Cap what his plan was.
Someone didn't watch the movie.
>>69325240
I did watch the movie, but I must have missed that, what with the editing being so utterly chaotic that it seemed like Zack gave the job to a five-year-old on crack.
Also, who cares what Doomsday killing Superman proves? Lex pretty much signed humanity's death warrant.
>>69325292
I'm pretty sure that the quintessential Lex would have a plan in place to stop Doomsday. Not only would he want to prove his point, he would want people to know it, AND start worshiping him instead of "the alien". Becoming the object of humanity's worship is kind of difficult to do once humanity is extinct.
>>69325335
People were complaining that they brought the Doomsday-WW-Justice League stuff in to take away from the Batman-Superman thing, doesn't matter if they're beefing because of Lex or otherwise.
>>69325416
>I'm pretty sure that the quintessential Lex would have a plan in place to stop Doomsday
Which Lex? The one that sold Metropolis into a bottle to Braniac in order to fuel his own ego? The one that denied peace throughout the world since he couldn't kill superman?
>>69325416
Lex masquerades as one that would want to save humanity. But given that choice and the option of taking down superman, he has ALWAYS taken the latter.
>>69323009
5/10, the last line makes the bait a bit too obvious.
>>69325615
>tfw Lex was my favourite character
>>69325488
>>69325552
Thing is, I would totally buy DCEU Lex doing those things if they had happened after he's already had Superman foil his plans a few times already. On his first encounter with him, though, it seems more like he's either an omnicidal maniac or a crazy idiot who has no fucking clue what he's doing.
>See, what we call God depends upon our tribe, Clark Joe, 'cause God is tribal; God takes sides..
>...No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from daddy's fist and abominations...
>...I figured out way back if God is all-powerful, He cannot be all good....and if He is all good, then He cannot be all-powerful.
>...And neither can you be.
>...It's about time you are exposed you for the fraud you really are...
People will actually defend Civil War and pretend it's superior to Dawn of Justice. Wew.
>all these manchilds who don't recognize Brühl from Goodbye Lenin
I want /v/ to leave
>>69325391
Zemo: "I thought about nothing else for over a year. I studied you. I followed you. ... I'm here because I made a promise."
Cap: "You lost someone?"
Zemo: "And so will you. An empire toppled by it's enemies can rise again, but one which crumbles from within. That's that."
Translation for dummies: "The Avengers killed my family, now I will let them kill each other."
He literally spells out his stupid plan like the generic bond villain he is and all this while Bucky and Stark are in the room.
And supposedly this works.
BRAVO RUSSOS
>>69325668
The sold into a bottle Lex is the first arc from New 52 Superman. That happened without Superman foiling his plans over and over again.
Regardless, in the movie Lex specifically states that he idolizes the god who took fire from the Gods and gave it to the humans. This is what he sees with his doomsday creation, he took from the Gods (kryptonians) and put the power back in humans (his) hands.
Zemo was able to speak in sentences that weren't pretentious metaphors and had a clear motivation. He wasn't a great villain, but at least he accomplished that. I can't say the same about Lex. He's truly a prime example of terrible writing combined with terrible acting. What an embarrassment
>>69325734
>He literally spells out his stupid plan like the generic bond villain he is and all this while Bucky and Stark are in the room.
It's a Marvel film, it's for children anon.
Zemo was a good villain in a good movie.
Lex was a decent villain in a bad movie.
>>69325734
Nigga that is his goal.
>>69325819
>that weren't pretentious metaphors
Zemo: "An empire toppled by it's enemies can rise again, but one which crumbles from within. That's that."
No cognitive dissonance here boys. Let's all point and laugh at the retard.
>>69325796
And did New 52's Lex's bottling and selling of Metropolis occur during his first-ever encounter with Superman in that universe, or was there a preexisting history between the two that just hadn't been explained yet? Because for DCEU Lex, there was explicitly no preexisting history between him and Superman.
DCEU Lex trying to kill Superman makes sense. Goading Batman into trying to kill Superman makes sense. Creating and unleashing Doomsday this early and without any plan to stop him once he kills Superman does not.
>people actually defending Lex
For someone who liked BvS, even I'm not that retarded or deluded.
>>69325704
>High School philosophy minced and regurgitated by a hack director desperately trying to make something meaningful
Eww
>>69325888
Exactly, and he tells this to the people who supposedly should kill each other.
Zemo's logic:
>I want them to kill each other.
>Let me tell them that's my plan.
>They won't blame me.
>They will actually fight each other.
MCUcks will defend this.
>Zemo
Teared the Avengers apart, and made some of them wanted criminals, stopping them from being superheroes
>Lex
Got his metahumans files stolen by Batman, giving all the info he needs to reunite the Justice League
Also, Zemo knew he couldn't go against the Avengers himself, so he had to get creative. Lex had the means to kill Superman, but still chose to let Batman do it
>>69325930
>And did New 52's Lex's bottling and selling of Metropolis occur during his first-ever encounter with Superman in that universe
Yes. It happened before they even interacted. He had contacted Braniac and sold humanity under the bus as long as he got a privileged position.
>Creating and unleashing Doomsday this early and without any plan to stop him once he kills Superman does not.
Again. Lex in universe says he idolizes the god that took fire for himself and shared it with humanity. He says he thinks those with the most knowledge should have the most power (himself).
>>69324899
You're missing out, the "bunch of guys fighting in the car park" was better than the entirety of BvS.
>>69325986
Bruh... he activated the Winter Solider during that time he mentioned his goal, Cap had no way of getting his info, neither would Bucky. He was able to escape and stay in the shadows and keep improvising and improving his plan to make sure the Avengers did fight against each other.
>>69326086
For me, all the Marvel films I've seen have all been the same damn thing in a different skin. No tension, no rocking the boat and way to heavily catered to kids. I haven't seen anything that suggests CW is anything different.
>>69326145
It's still retarded that he would tell his plan to Cap.
All Cap has to do now is say that Zemo was behind it all and they're all friends again.
Stop defending this bullshit.
>>69325986
Thing is, by the time he tells the heroes this, them fighting each other is already inevitable and has already been happening for some time now. They'll probably blame him for part of it, and try to kill him (but since he was planning on killing himself anyway, that just gets him what he wants anyway), but as far as he's concerned (remember, he has no idea about Thanos and the Infinity Stones), they'll stay fractured long after he dies.
>>69326014
Then yeah, I can see why quite a few people were complaining about the non-Batman and non-Green Lantern parts of the New 52 after its launch. This is a major character derailment for Lex. He'd certainly throw humanity under the bus to elevate himself, but his ego is so large that he'd never accept a privileged position if it meant he'd be under the thumb of anyone more powerful than himself. And he'd certainly want people around to worship his genius.
>>69322763
Here's a better question: How does Jesse Eisenberg still get jobs?
At this point he's more Michael Cera than Michael Cera is.
>>69325267
So you're saying it was zemos plan to deliberately create black panther? And totally not an unexpected side effect of his plan to frame Bucky?
>>69326209
It is dumb I'll give you that. But he couldn't tell them cause he didn't know his name, he even asked Bucky who is name was. He literally told Tony "hey the doctor was the guy responsible" but Tony was being the governments bitch.
Did you even watch the film?
if I can say something about DCucks it's that they have stamina to defend a universally hated, box office bomb.
well done lads.
>>69326210
>Then yeah, I can see why quite a few people were complaining about the non-Batman and non-Green Lantern parts of the New 52 after its launch
They weren't complaining about Superman and that specific run (Action Comics #0-18) is highly recommended. Stop moving the goalposts:
>Lex would never throw humanity in the bus
He did it in New 52 arc 1
>But he had a background with superman
No he didn't
>That's why the new 52 was disliked
No it's not.
>but his ego is so large that he'd never accept a privileged position if it meant he'd be under the thumb of anyone more powerful than himself.
But that's exactly what happened in the source material. He accepted the position as "smartest on earth" which was provably below Braniac.
>>69326209
>they're all friends again
lol not even close.
>oh don't worry guys we may have hated each others guts but its not our faults its Zemo's xD
pls go
>>69326312
I can admit it was a poorly put together film with massive flaws. But plenty of criticisms are invalid.
>>69326210
>Thing is, by the time he tells the heroes this, them fighting each other is already inevitable and has already been happening for some time now.
Let's be honest. Who ends up at odds with each other?
Even Black Panther ends up harboring Winter Soldier. And Rogers sends a love letter to Stark.
There is no rift.
Who's at odds with each other?
Wanda and Vision? Nope.
Hawkeye and Black Widow? Nope.
Falcon and Warmachine? Nope.
Antman and Spidey? Nope.
Literally who is at odds with each other?
Tell me.
>>69322763
>Helmut Zemo
Lex wins based on having a significantly less retarded name to say out loud.
Seriously that's Sheev-tier
>>69326209
He did say that and Iron Man wanted none of it.
Did you not see when Cap walked up to Team Iron Man at the airport and Tony told him to fuck off?
They still have fundamental differences on the Sokovia Accords so they wont be friends, and Tony doesn't give a shit that Bucky was basically a drone when he killed Tony's parents. Tony doesnt care, Bucky killed his mom.
Watch the fucking movie you stupid faggot
>>69326407
Helmut is a fairly common Germanic name
>>69325902
How the fuck is that a pretentious metaphor?
Replace one word and it's literally his exact goal state word for word. Are you actually a developmentally disabled child?
>[The avengers] toppled by their enemies can rise again. [The avengers] crumbling from within? That's dead.
>>69326446
Cap's love letter: "So I promise, if you need me, I'll be there."
Yep, they are totally at odds with each other. Permanent damage people. Zemo's plan worked brilliantly. WOOP WOOP
>>69326250
Zemo didn't create Black Panther, T'challa was already Black Panther.
>>69326406
Vision, Iron Man, War Machine, the UN, the US Government, and Black Widow are at odds with Black Panther, Cap, Bucky on the rocks shaken not stirred, Ant Man, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, and Hawkeye.
>>69326515
That doesn't make it any better.
>>69326558
See
>>69323122
The Avengers no longer exist.
Zemo won.
>>69326558
>Zemo's plan worked brilliantly.
There are only three Avengers left who aren't fugitives right now. And one of them is a cripple. I'd say his plan worked to some degree.
>>69326611
>The Avengers no longer exist.
>Zemo won.
>literally two Avengers movies are coming out in the next 4 years
yikes
>>69326558
>you can keep the Avengers
The Avengers are gone. It's two groups now, one of which is sanctioned by the governments of the world and the other is illegal vigilantes.
Zemo won.
The only thing Zemo failed at was killing himself.
>>69326312
Technically, it's not a box-office bomb. It made back more than its cost. WB just thought it'd bring in more cash than it did (they were expecting about $1 billion dollars rather than the $800 or so million that they got).
It still sucks hard, though, and it's almost certainly poisoned the rest of the DCEU.
>>69326337
I outright said that he would throw humanity under the bus to benefit himself, but he'd also never want to make himself subservient to anyone else. He wants to be a god among men, and he wants everyone to know it. He genuinely believes that he is better than everyone else in the universe and doesn't need someone like Brainiac to confer to him the title of "smartest on earth" because as far as he's concerned, he already fucking is (and to be honest, he does have the smarts to back it up, it's just that DC's earth does have some damned tough competition on that front).
He'll happily make humanity into slaves, but he would never allow himself to be enslaved along with them.
>>69326406
Some of the animosity did indeed die, but Cap and his team (plus Black Widow) are now fugitives which Iron Man and whoever's still on his side will be obligated to capture. Tony would call Cap for help if absolutely necessary as per the "love letter", but as long as the UN has him uphold the Accords, he will be trying to hunt Cap down.
>>69326551
It's pretentious for exactly that reason. Because you can just use the fucking Avengers. But they didn't. They had to use "Empire". Why? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT.
The literal definition of pretentious.
pretentious
prJˈtɛnʃəs/
adjective: pretentious
>attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed.
Since when are the Avengers an empire? They are not. It's a pretentious hyperbole.
Fucktard.
>>69326551
>How the fuck is that a pretentious metaphor?
>Replace one word
That word being a metaphor :^)
>>69326646
>I outright said that he would throw humanity under the bus to benefit himself, but he'd also never want to make himself subservient to anyone else. He wants to be a god among men, and he wants everyone to know it. He genuinely believes that he is better than everyone else in the universe and doesn't need someone like Brainiac to confer to him the title of "smartest on earth" because as far as he's concerned, he already fucking is (and to be honest, he does have the smarts to back it up, it's just that DC's earth does have some damned tough competition on that front).
>He'll happily make humanity into slaves, but he would never allow himself to be enslaved along with them.
Please read the arc. You are simply spouting non-truths that are debunked by just reading the story.
>>69326633
Zemo didn't win shit.
I'm willing to an hero if in the next Avengers movie they will not team up again.
I will literally commit seppuku live on youtube.
>>69326630
>implying some aren't gonna die
>implying they won't part ways after
>>69326806
>He thinks having the Avengers come together in an Avengers movie is a bold prediction
Maybe you should just an hero now.
>>69326808
>implying they will die because of Zemo
>implying they will part ways after saving the universe together
>>69326806
We know that the Avengers will be back together again by Infinity War, but that's because we already know that with Thanos and the Infinity Stones are in play, they pretty much are going to have to in order to survive (and save the Earth). Zemo doesn't have the luxury of knowing such things.
>>69326841
It's not a bold prediction. It's stating the fact that Zemo didn't win shit. His plan was retarded and was utterly useless in the long run.
>>69326863
>implying Zemo didn't set this shit into motion
>implying this isn't going down hill for them
>>69326806
>>69326841
>>69326871
I personally think the division is going to extend into Infinity War and the two camps try to solo Thanos themselves but get their shit pushed in. Part 2 is going to be them having to get their act together and figure out what the fuck to do to beat Thanos after they retreat and regroup.
>>69326649
Oh please, the bad guy using a grandiose term to make an extremely obvious comparison is hardly "pretentious" in the colloquial sense. A pretentious metaphor in this case would be him referencing an obscure bit of history by name, and never explaining it to the audience so him/the writers feel smug and self important.
This is an extremely obvious metaphor which uses a tiny bit of hyperbole.
It's amazing how yall suck Snyders dick for writing obtuse and pretentious dialogue that you think is deep symbolism, and shit on marvel for writing easy accessable movies with simple plot and dialogue, then turn around and say this simple shit is a pretentious metaphor.
>>69326892
>implying Zemo sent a message to Thanos to come and get the infinity stones
>implying it will go downhill thanks to Zemo and not Thanos
>>69325986
Zemo knows that by the time they've reached the lab, everyone is at the emotional breaking point. Spilling the beans about Bucky killing Tony's parents AND that Cap kept it from him was the straw that broke the camel's back.
>>69326917
>implying Snyder wrote BvS
>implying Goyer and Terrio didn't
topkek
>>69326905
It just might. Seems like something the Russos would do. Either way there's going to be some bad blood among the team.
>>69326209
Bucky still killed Tony's parents.
>>69326871
>they pretty much are going to have to in order to survive
Could just have a dance off, don't need the avengers for that. It's a tried and true Marvel (tm) resolution to problems.
>>69326996
Who ordered Bucky to kill his parents and why doesn't Tony care?
>mfw MCUcucks defend this shit
>>69327000
The dance off was just a diversion. The real resolution is holding hands.
>>69327109
>Implying the power of friendship isn't GOAT
>>69327000
That only ever happened in Guardians of the Galaxy. Even though the Guardians themselves will be showing up in Infinity War, I highly doubt that they'll try to beat Thanos with a dance-off (and if they do, Thanos has absolutely no reason to fall for it, after what happened to Ronan).
>>69327328
Didn't the glove fall off his hand vs spiderman?
>>69327359
Yeah but in that instance he was too tricky for his own good.
>>69327408
The MCU better finish like that.
Zemo? more like EMO
>>69327359
That was only in a non-canon comic intended for young readers (the kind of young readers that were watching The Electric Company around that time, actually).
But I fucking love how stupid it is.
>>69327520
So it could happen given the MCU is designed for children?
>>69323128
>nah. he literally just does it because he hates god. his reasonings are zero, so they may as well just have made him Joker 2.0.
Joker hates god?
>>69327608
Since Joker quotes Nietzsche I'd assume so.
>>69327608
Joker hates authority, God is the ultimate authority.
>>69323550
>>"GRR I HATE SUPERMAN IS HE GOD THATS WHY I HATE HIM SO I WILL MAKE HIM FIGHT A HUMAN HAHA OH AND ALSO I WILL MAKE DOOMSDAY SO THEY CAN TEAM UP THUS ULTIMATELY RUINING MY OWN PLAN FUCK GOD LOL THIS IS MY PLAN"
>in the end, he failed because.. he planned to fail?
He bwelieves that not all gods are good so he wanted to pushsupes to fight Batman. When that didn't work he used a "corrupted" god to kill god.Superman is killed by Doomsday
>>69327550
No, that comic was intended exclusively for children and absolutely nobody else. The MCU (and the DCEU, and let's face it, every superhero movie that isn't rated R, so Watchmen and Deadpool will have to sit this one out) courts multiple demographics, one of which is indeed kids (after all, how do you expect to sell toys and bedsheets without appealing to kids?).
>>69327675
>>69327680
Joker only seems to acknowledge any sort of creator deity's existence when he breaks the fourth wall (which is not that often, unlike Deadpool). The closest he got to hating god was when the artist just wouldn't stop drawing Batman back to life in Emperor Joker.
Zemo?
More like Ze most shit villain I've ever seen a fanbase around.
>>69327328
>tfw Thanos outdances Star Lord
MCU is doomed
>civil war ends
>feel like fucking nothing happened and it was just a cash grab and a way to introduce BP and spiderman
>other 5 winter soldiers were "killed" (I'm sure they will be back in some future CA movie) despite having some focus on them
>>69327774
If somebody tries the dance-off against Thanos, two things could happen.
1. He wreckts them immediately to show he's not foolin'
2. He uses the gauntlet to remove the concept of dancing from the universe right then and there
>>69327757
Please, I've seen worse. Much, much worse.
>>69327774
No, he'd just snap Star-Lord's neck or something.
>>69322763
Anyone else notice from the tone but also specifically from Zemo's plan that this movie was Ultron 1.5 + TWS 1.5? I don't mean Avengers 3 either, I mean it's very much the basic TWS story beats again with Ultron/Zemo/Hydra's plan being the driving factor plus a few team-up/vs fights.
>>69324936
Zemo only fast-forwards something that was going to happen anyway.
>>69327803
the other soldiers were a red herring, they weren't part of zemos goal and he knew he couldn't control them.
but captain america, bucky, and iron man didnt know that. that was the plan to get them all in the same place to show the film.
>>69327803
This is what they like to call in Hollywood, "a twist"
>>69323242
Confirmed for not paying attention to the film. Sorry anon that you cant handle complex characters and instead need single track minded caricatures that Marvels shoves down your throat every year
>>69328431
>>Luthor
>>complex
Jesus all that deep symbolism with no substance has turned your brain too mush
>>69322763
Lex Luthor would have been an OK villain if he wasn't called Lex Luthor. Because that wasn't Lex Luthor
>>69323550
wow his wife got killed in sokovia because they stopped the rock. he wants revenge for letting her die. how deep.
cant wait for the father of the child who got killed in the hotdog stand in the avengers to avenge him.
>>69322763
Was getting caught part of their plans?
