How did we go from this...
>>69299783
...to this?
to this
To this
shit forced meme
>>69299783
By firing William Hobbs
The action scenes have always been terrible. Not until a few seasons in did they finally make good action scenes in the north thanks to Kit Harrington being able to swing a sword with some god damn strength and determination.
The majority of the sword fights in the series are so god damn slow and obviously choreographed.
>>69299783
Tower of Joy was literally prequel-tier Lucasification. Prequels always suck.
>>69299811
>we want the dark souls audience
I don't understand why the fuck they decided that holding swords with 2 hands was for losers and now they all do a bunch of clumsy one handed swinging with the other arm just flapping around at their side.
honestly, i was expecting the sand snakes shit from the last season
>>69303565
The Oberyn/Mountain fight was excellent, although I guess it doesn't really count as a swordfight. I don't understand why the showrunners don't use stunt doubles for more of these fight scenes, that's part of what made the Oberyn fight so great and the Sand Snakes fight so awful
>>69304280
>dual wielding in Dark Souls
Keep your shield up or I'll ring your head like a bell
>>69304440
Only using one sword isn't very good which is why (asides from Japan for some reason) everyone would either use a sword and shield or two swords. It really is just better.
>>69304974
>or two swords
Nobody did this. Dual wielding like we see Dayne do it in the show is hilariously impractical.
>>69303565
And let's not forget that all the "big battles" in the first couple seasons consisted of fading to black and fading back in on some lawn with three horses and two guys in armor lying around. It's a pretty bad show but don't pretend that it's ever been great.
>>69305035
But that's wrong.
Miyamoto Musashi, the greatest swordsman to ever live dual wielded and won over 60 duels
>>69305139
webs get out
>>69305139
We aren't including fictional characters in this discussion anon, keep anime to /a/
>>69299783
>Parrying with the edge of your sword
disgusting, they've never cared about the choreography from the start
>>69304974
A shield is better in open combat. A sword on its own is more practical for walking around day-to-day, or in some specialised fencing styles which emphasise grappling. Nobody who has the faintest clue how to fight would ever try wielding a weapon in each hand. It simply doesn't work.
>>69303565
>The action scenes have always been terrible.
I agree. But until the end of season 1, we only had 3 or 4 short and decent action scenes: Forel training Arya, Lord Stark fighting the Kingslayer, Drogo versus another guy and probably another I can't remember.
https://youtu.be/byLYJw9YeNE
>>69305139
he dual wielded a katana and a wakizashi which was the size of a dagger basically
>>69305390
bronn fighting that knight was pretty good
>>69299903
Sword of the Stranger was top notch film
>>69305035
Nobody did this? Dueling with two swords is universally seen as better than just one. Even for warfare it was sword and shield and not just a sword. Using only a two handed sword is just a meme. Outside of Japan it just didn't really happen.
What we see him doing is stupid, but that's because it's a tv show, not because using two swords is stupid. Most of the fighting in the show is bullshit.
>>69305139
That's not saying much. The Japanese weren't that great at sword fighting. There is a reason that why all the documentation of duels between Dutch sailors and Japanese have the Japanese almost always losing. Their fighting style is very impracticable, and they are stupid for refusing to use shields or to duel wield.
>>69305440
He also lived in 16th century Japan, meaning he never came up against anyone who'd studied a fencing style which wasn't designed for a grossly inferior quality of weapon. All this weeb shit is a meme, the greatest traditional martial arts have always been found in Europe. You don't get good at fighting by isolating yourself in a peaceful and homogenous island chain, you do it by sharing the same continuous landmass with warlike tribes who want you dead.
>>69305558
Using one long and one short weapon was common in europe too, rapier and dagger dueling is a think.
>>69305345
It was standard practice for continental Europeans to carry two swords. I would say a fuck load of people who know a lot about fencing used two swords.
>>69305558
>peaceful and homogenous island chain
Japan began to be somewhat peaceful during the 1800s, Before that everyone wanted something from someone
>>69305554
I challenge you to find a single example of someone dual-wielding effectively in history. I won't even constrain you to swords - guns, maces, axes, anything. Go find one that wasn't either horribly ineffective or pure vanity. Our brains can't multi-task effectively, our eyes can't focus independently, even our hands are hilariously asymmetrical in their dexterity. It's twice as many weapons as we can effectively keep track of at once.
>>69305696
>parrying dagger
>sword
choose one
>>69305696
Bit of a stretch to call that a sword. They were typically called parrying daggers.
>>69299783
This fight really triggered me
>dayne is lmao2swords
>choreography is awfu, goons were standing around waiting for their turn to swing at dayne
>Ned isn't completely shit at fighting
>holding back on revealing r+l=j when they went ahead and revealed the nights king like it was nothing
Fucking D&d
>>69305733
Miyamoto Musashi. There you go, I gave you exactly what you asked for.
BTFO
>>69305631
You're thinking of parrying daggers. They existed, but their function was more akin to a shield than anything else. The crossguard would trap the enemy's weapon, and the blade was there to give you enough leverage to wrench it out of their hand or even break it if need be.
You could stab someone with it in a pinch, but it was neither designed nor commonly used for that.
>>69305835
>rapier and dagger
>dagger
Yeah, i never said it was a sword.
>>69305834
So a half-mythical account of one man in a society which couldn't produce iron worth forging into a decent sword, with a martial culture that was mostly ceremonial by that point. I was thinking something that demonstrates that dual-wielding is a good idea.
>>69305631
isn't dueling just a pastime for faggots who can't take a joke?
how did it fare in war?
>>69305876
>parrying dagger
>parrying
Calling it a dagger in this context is disingenuous. It was a defensive implement like a shield, which I believe we already agreed was a thing.
>>69305834
>sword and parrying dagger
We're not talking about a sword and a shield here, we're talking about two swords like dayne
>>69305891
You literally asked for a single example and I gave you your single example. Don't complain that I fulfilled your request exactly. If you aren't happy with the answer it is your fault for asking the request.
>>69304734
>Shield and heavy armor in bloodborne souls
Enjoy your stamina drain, fat rolls, 10% extra damage reduction, and equip load management. I'll be over here abusing Iframes and >30% fast rolling.
>>69305930
Duel wielding in actual warfare didn't happen. Everyone used shields though so it still never just two handed swords.
>>69305943
Now you're just being anal. It's called rapier and dagger, parrying dagger is implied but you don't need to write it out every time. Stop trying to show off the fact that you know the purpose of a parrying dagger. This is like the third time you throw it out ITT isn't it? Want a fucking medal?
>>69305930
Duelling was always good practice for war. The style of duel adapted to the nature of war at the time.
Rapier fencing like you're probably thinking of was a late/post medieval thing. At the height of gothic plate's popularity, swordfighting was more about bludgeoning your way through steel armour, which left basically no room for anything like that to be useful. Then firearms came along and made plate armour more-or-less obsolete. People stopped wearing it, suddenly speed was more important than force in fencing, and rapiers/epees/etc became king.
>>69306037
I'm throwing it out because you don't seem to understand. In no way, shape, or form was it even remotely comparable to the "hurr two swords" shit we saw in the last episode.
Thought it was great
you lot hated it before it even happened
dual wielding is better for defense against multiple opponents than a single sword. just because a technique happens to be fun and looks awesome doesn't mean it's immediately unrealistic, stop spasming over the most trivial things
i shudder to even think what would happen if the show depicts half-swording at some point
>>69305976
If you really think fighting with two swords is practical then your retarded
>>69299783
>>69299811
A more appropriate question springs to mind:
Why the fuck is Ser Arthur Dayne 'the Sword of the Morning' not fighting with his legendary valyrian steel GREATSWORD 'Dawn' and instead pretending to be a third rate Drizzt by dueling with 2 equal length swords?
Him not having Dawn makes Ned not visit the Tower of Joy to return it afterwards.
>>69305558
Pre Meji restorationJapan was carved up by war lords at constant war with each other.
Post Meji restoration japan was a neocolonial empire with one of the most aggressive foreign policies in the world.
It wasn't until their defeat in WWII and they were rebuilt in the west's image that they actualy became "peaceful"
Why do we need another thread about bookfags autists crying about pointless shit from their non-canon source?
>>69306114
I'd actually cream myself if they did half-swording. Shit's cool as fuck, and horribly under-represented. There seems to be this taboo of "don't touch the blade" by people who forget that it isn't Star Wars and severely overestimate how sharp those blades were.
>>69306102
What the fuck? You're confused nigger. I only said that rapier and dagger was a thing, and yes they are daggers not swords. Never once did i imply they were swords. With a picture that clearly indicated that you use the dagger to parry and close a line. I think it's redundant to get into details about it based on the picture.
>>69305696
Why would you want to use a knife to parry anyway. Wouldn't a buckler/small shield be better. You can even bash people with it.
>>69306114
>neverbeeninafight.webm
Here's a hint. If your technique revolves around your opponents attacking you in sync (or if you're trying to solo multiple opponents at once, to be honest) you're already fucked. Life is not power rangers. You take on more than one guy by yourself, you'll get dogpiled and your head kicked in. If you're outnumbered like that, you swallow your pride and run.
>>69299811
That's a good trick.
>>69305345
Miyamoto Musashi did sometimes
How come no one ever fought with two shields?
>>69306274
The crossguard was typically swept sharply forwards to form a kind of trident. It requires much better coordination than a buckler, but it allows you to trap your opponent's blade rather than just deflecting it. If you can twist it out of their hands, you've as good as one. Also, who needs to bash when your "shield" doubles as a shiv.
>>69299903
Animu duels> current GoT desu senpai.
Best duel was Boromir vs that Egyptian god.
>>69306274
You can control opponents sword better with dagger if I remember right.
>>69306274
Advantage of a dagger compared to buckler is both that it's easier to carry with you and a buckler can actually limit your visibility. I've been doing saber fights against sword and buckler and you can often trick them by pulling shit they can't see to surprise them. Daggers don't obscure your vision as much. And you can use them to catch and manipulate the opponents blade instead of just bouncing off.
Sword and buckler is very useful though, probably better if you're facing multiple opponents, but in a one on one a dagger can give though the defense you need.
Rapiers are pretty shit if you're facing more than one opponent in general.
>>69305962
>Dayne
.... I haven't seen the show but don't tell me the one who is dual wielding was supposed to be Arthur Dayne.
They really didn't make the most graceful and legendary swordsman a duel wielding idiot did they?
>>69306393
>who needs to bash when your "shield" doubles as a shiv.
>>69305631
>>69305696
The dagger was used as a defensive weapon. It can be used to attack when the opportunity arise, but it's main purpose was deflecting or blocking an attack, like the first pic depicts. It was like a buckler
>>69306114
Pfft. Dayne wasn't no Grevious.
>>69306367
Because the Confused Turtle build is only a good idea if you want to preserve your aesthetics by training both arms at an equal pace.
>>69306152
Because Game of Thrones is no longer an unpredictable story, it's becoming incredibly formulaic. Dual wield is what the normies think is cool, fuck realistic combat.
>>69306499
they did indeed do that
>>69306493
>>69306274
It should be pointed out that parrying daggers never saw use in actual warfare (as far as I know, feel free to provide a source that says otherwise)
Reason being, it doesn't matter how good your weapon is at parrying, it won't do anything to stop an arrow. You'd be a fool to walk onto a battlefield and leave yourself exposed like that.
>>69306499
Especially the one legendary swordsman who did have a legendary greatsword.
>>69306622
>>69306367
Also because every possible advantage of that was already exploited to the greatest extent by the Roman tetsudo formation. Two shields doesn't compare to shields all around you and spears poking between them.
>>69304610
>1 second shots showing no actual hits or anything
>one guy jumping around like darth maul on crack
>other guy swinging a few times and missing
the prosthetics and exploded head were top notch though
>>69306314
>you'll get dogpiled
Well why do you think they didn't dogpile? Because no one wants to run in and die first.
>>69306625
>Dual wield is what the normies think is cool, fuck realistic combat.
A fitting epitaph.
>>69306622
Shields can double as weapons/blades. And can have just as much, if not more length than a sword. Just curious why no one ever mixed plate armor like this with two fuck huge shields.
>>69306565
I loved those cartoons. Shaak Ti was a real QT 3.14, and the fights were completely over the top.
>>69306729
Only works for so long. As soon as one of them gets their nerve up or you engage with one, the rest will most likely take the opportunity to rush you. I get why movies and TV shows do it, and I've known people who actually could pull it off, but this is just a PSA to say that you shouldn't try it.
>>69306499
>I haven't seen the show
Then fuck off. We don't need opinions from retards who read the non-canon source.
>>69305554
>Nobody did this? Dueling with two swords is universally seen as better than just one.
Dueling with two swords is fucking stupid, that's why nobody ever did it in history.
>Even for warfare it was sword and shield
Yes, this is what pretty much everyone used.
>>69305834
He used a sword and a dagger, that's completely different. And even that's not seen as "universally better", you sacrifice a lot of protection that you would get with a shield, and in an actual battle (with large numbers of soldiers involved and arrows/spears flying around all over the place) a shield makes much more sense.
>>69299811
Looks like Dayne had the high ground.
>>69306565
Grievous dual wielding actually made sense because he has robot arms so normal things like needing to shift his body weight to strike don't apply to him.
>“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them.
>“We were not there,” Ser Gerold answered.
>“Woe to the Usurper if we had been,” said Ser Oswell.
>“When King's Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”
>“Far away,” Ser Gerold said, “or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells.”
>“I came down on Storm's End to lift the siege,” Ned told them, and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”
>“Our knees do not bend easily,” said Ser Arthur Dayne.
>“Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.”
>“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell.
>“But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.”
>“Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
>“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.
>Ned’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
>“And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
>“No,” Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.”
Meanwhile in the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDOWgbo1ho8
>mfw I see a knight dual wielding
>>69305470
That knight didnt use his shield at all, he could just hold it in front of him and pressure bronn where he wanted him to go instead of flailing angrily
Literally anything would have been better in your off hand than another sword
A shield
A parrying dagger
A rock
Heck even just having an empty hand would be better, you could use it to keep your balance and grapple
Having a second sword offers no advantages whatsoever
>>69305390
>mountain fighting the hound
how could you forget this?!?
>>69306565
Jesus christ that Sheev. Absolutely amazing.
>>69307059
How does it feel to know littlefinger is not only a better fighter, but even duel wields better than arthur fucking dayne
https://youtu.be/CDt9FrVOPZk
>>69307059
The best thing they did is cut all that boring shit.
Meanwhile in the non-canon books.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmKhGqWcJGY
>>69307164
Pretty sure he was getting pissed that Bronn kept back peddaling and throwing shit in the way. Also he did use his shield and almost pushed Bronn out the moon door.
>tfw S1 choreography is gone forever
>>69306863
>>69305554
>>69305226
>>69305260
>>69305440
White bois mad af that the best swordsman in history was japanese
>>69305733
>>69305696
>>69305631
a main gauche is a thing for a reason anon
granted two longswords would be retarded
>>69307059
holy shit that writing is genuinely terrible
do you people take this seriously?
>>69306005
Wow, you totally rekt me. Because I was definitely talking about Bloodborne a second ago
>>69307264
>steady camera pulled far enough back to see the action
>few cuts
>rapier fighting
>mfw Owen Wilson survived and quips the entire time
>>69306205
I don't think anyone on the show wear thick enough armor to make it realistic. I suppose the mountain and the rest of the kings guard do?
>>69299903
> King Arthur will never suck your dick
jdimsa
>>69307275
From beginning to end he woefully underuses the shield, also that part where he almost pushes bronn out was bullshit, there was no way in that position plus the extra weight he had that bronn could get out of that by pushing him back
ITT: Fatasses who never fought in real life, let alone with a sword.
Dayne is the greatest most skilled nigga in the world, why is it so unbelievable he could use a sword as a parrying dagger?
>>69305968
SPOOKY
>>69307486
As far as I can tell Ser Vardis never fought an actual battle in his life. Serving only as a guard to Jon Arryn. Also in the book, Lysa gives him Jon's greatsword which he isn't used to fighting with.
>>69307505
Because it doesn't matter how good you are. It's the wrong shape, it's too big and unwieldy. It's just the wrong tool for the job, man.
>>69307059
>I wish you good fortune on the wars to come
Literally beats everything this fat fuck ever wrote.
>>69307222
>Having a second sword offers no advantages whatsoever
Except if youre Arthur Fucking Dayne, the best swordsman who ever lived.
Itsl like a Tiger riding a shark.
>>69307887
Dawn was a greatsword.
They changed it because they probably could only get a swordsman guy who specialized in that sort of wanky spinning lucasfilm bullshit and fit the look.
Which is still a shit reason.
>>69307264
Even a crappy movie like Shanghai Knights has a dual wielding fight sequence that is 100x times better and more believable than the got shit.
>>69307680
>another greatsword unused in the show
why am i not suprised
>>69308132
having one of the great and popular martial artists like jackie chan helps, since other good martial artists will be attracted to the project.
obviously gillen had a stunt double for the parts where it cuts to the back of his head, but he had proper training for six months for the parts you can tell have to be him
>>69305139
but thats wrong, he won almost all his duels 2 handing his katana like a proper pleb, and later decided for no reason with no evidence that dual wielding was superior
>>69307836
The line so nice they used it twice
They've been milking the callback tit A LOT lately
>>69306114
>blocking or deflecting a sword with one hand
>especially when your opponent can use both his hands
Hahaha haha haha
>>69299903
Rin > Saber
>>69306322
I really miss that Sansa outfit.
>>69308615
You're god damn right.
>>69306152
sword on the right has a sun on the handle and is lighter
>>69307059
holy shit i stopped watching last season and that youtube link triggered me so fucking hard
how fucking bad are DnD at coreography that they needed to make arthur fucking dayne dual wield like a fucking video game character
jesus what a fucking insult
why are american audiences so fucking stupid that they drink this shit down
>>69306648
Swords didn't see much use in actual warfare did they?
As far as I can tell 99% of all soldiers who ever lived were armed with spears and bows. The most notable exceptions were the Romans, and while a gladius certainly looked rather like a sword, it was hardly used for "swordfighting"
>>69307816
And there's no wrong tool for your mom's pussy lmao.
>>69308914
Not even american but hasn't sharia law banned internet from your country already ahmed?
>>69306791
Plate armor (And just about any armor) is all about deflecting things, Spikes and such makes swords stuck and you will get the whole force upon impact.
>>69305390
Jorah vs a dothraki
>>69299783
>Greenseers can see through time now
>Arthur Dayne is supposed to wield a greatsword, Dawn
>instead swings two swords like a fucking spaz
>completely omits the third knight present, Oswell Whent
>omits Ned's conversation with the three Kingsguards
>Howland Reed doesn't throw a net at Dayne
Why am I still watching this shitty show?
Why did I continue to watch after season 2?
>>69309103
He was wielding Dawn and Dusk instead
>>69308939
swords are sidearms, like pistols are in modern warfare.
You don't pull your sword out at the start of a battle, but you'll whip it out if you lose your spear/halberd/whatever.
Notable exceptions are the giant two handed warswords, but they basically had the reach of polearms anyway, and they appear to have been pretty niche weapons for a specific purpose, maybe to counter spearwalls
>>69306152
in the books he dual wields too.
>>69309103
>Howland Reed doesn't throw a net at Dayne
Lmao wtf, is this the fucking Gladiator, were they going fishing? Why are you retards so bent on defending this fucking garbage writer.
Muh contrarian mentality because I'm le coolest hispter kid.
Kill yourself mong.
>>69308939
Swords were actually used a lot, but like you said they typically start with pike formations and then move on to swords when it gets too close. They did that into the musket era too, line soldiers fired muskets and then pulled their swords and charged the enemy when they were going on the offense.
>>69309181
why lie faggot
>>69306152
If they included Dawn, they would have to have included a long and pointless backstory about the stupid sword and how he was the best fighter in the realm. All that exposition would not have furthered the plot at all.
He's a better fighter than all of them combined. So good that he can competently dual-wield. Show, don't tell.
Why are you so autistic?
>>69308914
American writers are so fucking stupid they don't realize armies use skis in the snow
>>69307836
Rustled this bad for not being able to pick up a fucking book, really?
>>69299829
>One sword was Dawn, the legendary sword of House Dayne
>The other sword was a BASTARD sword
BARVO DOUBLE DEE
why didn't have Ned a helmet?
>>69309103
>>Howland Reed doesn't throw a net at Dayne
That is purely fanfiction and your own headcanon.
>>69309399
Not even that anon but why pick up a garbage non-canon atm book when you can watch the only canon source show with new canon content every week?
You seem retarded honestly.
>>69305139
IRL dual weilding uses a very short weapon in the offhand for defense.
>>69305035
go ask Russian/Ukrainian Cossacks about it
>>69306314
>dogpiling
it's not a fist fight, no one would dogpile anyone holding a sharp weapon. I guess you also think that more unarmed men could take a single man with a pistol.
>>69302997
just looked him up. I can see your point. It's strange how losing people behind the scenes can fuck shit up so badly. producers n such usually. never really thought about fight choreographers. it takes a lot of talented people to make a quality show/movie.
I guess they just couldn't find the right stuntman
>Frisian hero Pier Gerlofs Donia is reputed to have wielded a Zweihänder with such skill, strength and efficiency that he managed to behead several people with it in a single blow. The Zweihänder ascribed to him has a length of 213 cm (84 in) and a weight of about 6.6 kg (14 1⁄2 lb).
>>69309666
Well Satan it seem clear to me that D and D are up their own asses about the success of the show.
It won't be long before they forget who GRRM is.
>>69307059
literally fedora tier writing, kill yourself.
>>69309366
> Bran: "That's Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning! My father told me about this, he was the only one to beat him in a duel. Wait, this must be the Tower of Joy...
Bran looks up at the Tower but doesn't explain further. Then turns to watch Dayne draw Dawn, which is shown to be Valyrian steel by its distinctive pommel and quality.
Then a non-shit fight. Like this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2AkddBAl4k
>>69309564
They absolutely could, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Most people won't because they're unused to violence but put a soldier with a pistol in a room with 5 unarmed soldiers and that pistol guy is getting fucked up.
>>69309473
So misuse of the word "canon" is the best trolls can do now?
>>69299829
>spinning the sword with literall 2 finger digits
>weaboos will defend this as valid combat style
>every 15 yo is hooked to this softporn now
>a new classic is born
>>69306729
>>69309564
Yeah because someone's back while they're looking forward is so fucking dangerous lmao
>>69309805
>Then turns to watch Dayne draw Dawn, which is shown to be Valyrian steel by its distinctive pommel and quality.
Which by the way isn't Valyrian steel. Why are wikifags even more retarded than bookfags? How is that even possible? You would need a degree in autism and brain deficit to even reach the retardation of bookfags.
>>69309564
>>69309564
>I guess you also think that more unarmed men could take a single man with a pistol.
This faggot doesn't know about the 21 foot rule
>BUT MUH GUNKATA! MUH ANIME!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_KJ1R2PCMM
>>69309950
>trolls
No misuse here fag. The show is the new canon considering your books aren't ever going to end and that you're going to get the CANON end of the story from the show.
So start by sucking mine and other showfags cocks for new canon content, because that's the best you'll ever get.
>>69310004
It's not *not* Valyrian steel.
And for the show, people know what Valyrian steel is. They would probably have no fucking idea what is going on with a glowing magic sword.
They know Valyrian steel means someone important and probably dangerous.
Calm the fuck down.
>>69305558
>the greatest traditional martial arts have always been found in Europe.
Nonsense and there is no way you can prove that since there is no metric for martial arts.
Wars aren't a good metric since there are too many factors. Dueling didn't happen that much. And just because Portuguese or Dutch sailors beat Japanese doesn't make European martial arts the best in the world. At best, it means that when it comest to the specific martial art of sword fighting, European is better than Japanese. Then again, that's also comparing an entire continent to a single country.
>>69310096
So many errors;
You can have different canons. The shows and books are different canons.
What is canon for the show is not necessarily canon for the books. Something occurring in one doesn't change canon for the other.
Whether or not the books end or are released doesn't really matter to how fucking garbled your use of the word is.
The show ending will be canon for the show.
Why would I need to ask showfags for new content? What the fuck are you doing other than desperately attempting to create a new meme every episode?
6/10 - replied.
>>69309821
in a training room maybe. No one would do that in a real situation without resolving to forfeit their life.
>>69310344
Look Equilibrium was a good film man, but people don't actually have eyes in the back of their fucking head you cunt.
>>69299903
I like anime but top lists are just faggotry of what plebs think is cool, same plebs that think UBW well animated fights
>>69310127
you fucking cock dont even know about the meteor sword
>>69310469
so you can't sense when someone is attacking you from the back? you can't hear or know from positioning before you entered the room?
>>69299811
dark_souls_pvp.gif
>>69306798
How cool are they?
The fights CIS scum vs Clone were awesome.
Also Windu force kung-fu was bad ass.
>>69310261
Stay mad bookshit.
Here, there's more cum for you since you're so thirsty for it, now be a good bitch and gobble it all down.
>>69310550
It's vague as fuck and it's not actually important or worth introducing as a concept for the fucking scene you goitre.
And besides the fact, did you see a meteor goddamn greatsword in the episode at all? Anything special about one of his swords at all?
>>69310577
Confirmed for never having been in a fight.
(No, the answer is no)
>>69310672
Yeah, make some creepy bisexual weirdo turned on.
That will teach me a lesson!
>>69310469
you are the anime fag, the only skill that ever mattered with firearms, a technology made to be superior to man in every way, is marksmanship. But sure, keep pretending you've been in many fights where you disarmed anyone with your anime skills, you fat larper.
>>69306419
egyptian god?
>>69307297
>best swordsman
>only fought retards on his shitty 50km island that had the shittiest metal to make swords of and no actual armor
Should've checked yourself.
>>69310776
Not my problem you get turned on by sucking cocks man.
>>69310803
> No idea what the Tueller drill is
> Thinks bum rushing someone is impressive or difficult to do
I'm not even a /k/ommando and I know this shit.
>>69310469
equilibrium monks don't actually aim or react. they just repeat those gun dance moves like a robot and hope to eventually hit something based on statistics.
>>69310909
It is if you think it's going to upset me to point it out.
Come out of the closet bro. We all know why you like talking about cum so much.
>>69310929
I know.
Because you can't aim and react that fast. That's the whole reason for the conceit.
>>69310917
as easy as it may be, in practice it's a tactic only employed by soldiers who don't afraid of losing their lives to save their comrades. If it was that easy for the average person, 9/11 wouldn't have happened.
>>69310961
You keep coming back for more semen with each reply bookfag. The only way I can help you is by giving some to you, specifically milked from my balls, because I'm gentle towards the less able.
Don't project your desires onto me, faget.
>>69308132
That moment when CIA literally can outperform Arthur fooking Dayne in a fight given that BOTH dual-wield
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDt9FrVOPZk
>>69310803
Look, it's better to have a gun than not but even 1v1 guns get wrestled away and turned on the armed person frequently. If it were a similar situation with multiple unarmed people and one armed guy, chances are VERY good the armed guy won't be for long.
Of course distance is the key factor but the magic rule is 6-12 feet minimum.
>>69311043
The whole point is that you have to actually be aware of someone to shoot them or do anything at all to defend yourself.
And unless you have eyes in the back of your head, you can't see what the guy behind you is doing. So you're fucked.
>>69303565
You mean Jorah
>GRRM had everything planned from the start
http://watchersonthewall.com/george-r-r-martins-original-plan-game-thrones/
>>69311215
i never said it was hard physically, i'm talking about realistic situations, most people would run for their life at the first gun shot, let alone if someone actually gets killed.
>>69311270
But you know he's there, you can hear him and act accordingly. Life is not metal gear solid.
>>69309805
But Ned doesn't beat Dayne and is entirely overmatched. He gets saved by Howland Reed, which is like the only thing they got right.
>>69311161
Holy shit Baelish
I haven't seen this movie since I was a kid, this is even a shittier Jackie Chan movie. Man I miss that choreography.
>>69299811
>>69299829
So who is the weeaboo fag?
I thought at first they were at the tower of joy and that was arthur dayne but then it seemed like they mixed up the script with an anime somewhere.
You guys all comment on how bad the choreography was but noone mentions most autistic expositionary dialogue between Bran and Raven as they see Dayne:
-It's Arthur Dayne!
- The sword of the Morning
- Greatest swordsman who had ever lived
wait i thought ser baristan was literally the best
>>69311455
If you mean a mass shooter then of course but if you mean actual soldiers it's much different.
Even soldiers in civvies fucked up that akbar with an AK on the train in Europe.
We're still relating to why Ned's dudes didn't dogpile Dayne right?
(if so, it's only dramatic effect)
>>69311101
I don't think you understand this.
I like cock. You are just talking to be like a goddamn lover right now.
Why would this affect me negatively in any way?
No you're not gay, just keep telling me how much you want to cum on me while I fap bro.
>>69305554
>Even for warfare it was sword and shield and not just a sword
Except by the late medieval period the shield fell out of use in favour of two-handed polearms, which are far more effective against armour
>>69311561
Yeah that's par for the course though.
Bran and mysterious 1000 year old notBloodraven tree dude are strictly exposition vehicles this year.
>>69303565
Apparently Kit is far better than everyone else when it comes to sword fighting. Wonder if he took lessons or something.
>>69311491
Why couldn't they be true to the source? Was it TOO HARD to get a net, some green powder and a weird-shaped spear in props department? Show Howland messing with Dayne's head by throwing some poisonous powder at him and then netting him to further poke the latter with a spear? But they went for stupidest neckstab instead? We've had like 3 of those that season: Trystane, Bolton guy shanked by Reek and now Dayne. Fuck me if the Hound kills the Mountain with a neckstab.
>>69311455
Why, in this hypothetical example where you are surrounded by five men, would you know what the one behind you is doing.
He could be rubbing his cock, but unless you are looking the fuck at him you won't know.
>>69311662
pics of butthole while wearing girly clothes?
>>69311565
They retconned the books to merge barristan and dayne for the show but once they ran out of material to show and resorted to these flashbacks they unretconned it
>>69310096
>us vs them mentality over a fantasy book series/TV show
End your life
>>69311430
so Tyrion and Jon will be rivals and compete for Arya's pussy?
>>69311161
Fuck, after watching this sequence I literally want to watch Baelish v Ramsey during the battle of Winterfell
>>69309366
They don't need to sperg out on the details, the sword is supposed to shine like a star, that'd be enough
>>69311491
I figured the character (who would therefore be saying the wrong line) there would be Dayne, actually, as he is using a two handed sword.
And he defeats Ned handily and is then saved by Reed.
If he's actually Ned, then it's backwards you're right.
>>69311799
You not being aborted is the stuff of fantasies too but here you are, able to spout retarded shit anyway.
>>69306419
lol the hurukay ?
>>69311611
Even for a soldier it isn't that common, i mean for every soldier in civvies fucking a sandnigger up you have the american policeman that runs for cover, and there's a chance the man with the gun could be trained too. Ned dudes didn't dogpile on dayne for the same reason, they knew he was the best swordsman that ever lived, so they employed tactics(which were useless in the end) in trying to rekt him instead of dogpiling him and ending voluntarily on the tip of it's sword. Dual wielding is probably a meme and the scene was executed like shit, but i don't blame them for not dogpiling on him.
>>69311783
Because there's no physical law preventing the man with the gun from moving and aiming around.
>>69311795
Offer or request?
>>69311662
I demand pics of your spread out asshole cutie.
>>69309366
>If they included Dawn, they would have to have included a long and pointless backstory about the stupid sword and how he was the best fighter in the realm
>righty-ho lads, we're going up against Arthur Dayne in a minute, he's fucking nails and has the allyest sword you'll ever set eyes on, so watch it
is that 'sperging out on details'?
>>69311968
Request of course.
Hopefully you're into crossdressing.
>>69303565
>The action scenes have always been terrible
>the Kings Landing fight
>bronn vs vale dude
>hound vs beric
>>69311565
He's easily #2 and could probably take Dayne with odds in Dayne's favour.
I think the only time it comes up is when Ned tells Barristan that Rickard used to say Selmy was the best he'd ever seen, which isn't an unreasonable opinion to hold.
>>69311962
Unless he has fucking side mirrors though he's not able to see the person directly behind him.
When you turn to look at one of them, you can't see the one BEHIND YOU.
How are you not understanding blind spots? The dramatized fight we watched literally ended with a demonstration of how they might effect a fight.
>>69311797
>Jaime squired for Barry instead of Dayne during the battle with the Kingswood Brotherhood
I actually forgot about that. Wonder with Jaime going to the riverlands this season if we will hear about him fending off the smiling Knight and Dayne then wrecking him in a 1v1.
>>69312022
Totes. But this is a blue board.
>>69311962
Dogpiling is by far the most used tactic by police with armed suspects and soldiers are specificly trained to do that as well. These kinds of encounters are incredibly mundane and common.
Also it requires concentration and aiming to reliably hit targets, shooting is hard even for experienced people. If you're in close quarters you won't have time to shoot everyone unless they just stand there and let you.
>>69312040
Barristan and Dayne is a toss up with normal steel but with their standard equipment Dayne wins every time.
>>69312103
you cannot see him, but you would surely hear and perceive if someone is throwing himself at you from the back, unless he takes you by surprise. I guess at the moment you turn around to face the threat another guy could use that window to jump on you, but it's not something you would see often and at least one person could die anyway.
>>69312214
I'd still give Selmy a punchers chance but his odda drop dramatically.
Dayne was using Dawn when he fought the Smiling Knight for an entire afternoon and he was just a particularly talented bandit.
>>69307059
>Attacks the sword
>>69312282
I would say the Smiling Knight was more then just a particularly talented bandit. Dude had a reputation that rivaled Gregor's Clegane.
>>69307264
he didnt fly so good
>>69312269
> you would surely hear and perceive if someone is throwing himself at you from the back, unless he takes you by surprise.
> But you would know about it unless you didn't!
This shit happens to fucking athletes who are specifically trying to avoid it happening you stupid fuckwit.
No, in a fight you do not magically know where people are around you.
> I guess at the moment you turn around to face the threat another guy could use that window to jump on you, but it's not something you would see often
That's literally what humans have been doing since they were apes using their bare hands.
>>69311962
Related, did you know something like 1 in 4 people shot directly in the heart with small arms fire survive? It's why police are trained to shoot centre mass and to unload their firearm into their target for stopping power. A related drill in the military is two in the chest and one in the head.
You can maybe shoot one or two guys before you're taken down, you MIGHT kill one of them and if you practice a standard pistol drill you will certainly only ahoot one before getting tackled.
>>69309312
>line soldiers fired muskets and then pulled their swords and charged the enemy when they were going on the offense
They reloaded their weapons, and fired again. Also...
You know bayonets existed, right?
>>69312489
you were talking about being in a room, of course someone could jump you while running in a field, retard. And i'm pretty sure cavemen didn't have firearms.
>>69312540
>You know bayonets existed
Until the plug bayonet, bayonet just meant sword
>>69312432
Half as tall but twice as mad, so says jaime. Given he fought him first hand i'd say that reputation is deserved
You guys know it's a show right? It's not a real battle, not real swords, they really aren't trying to kill each other? It must only appear that they are - it's acting. Have you guys heard of this? In this fantasy television show on your screen?
Fucking autist faggot cucks. Shut the fuck up.
>>69312520
That's true also. Watch any video of someone getting shot with small arms.
Mostly they cower and try to run the fuck away, they don't go down right away.
It's why it's stupid to get pissy about how many rounds cop shoot into someone.
>>69306791
>tfw I went out of my way to fight this faggot three times for his armour and when I got it it was shit
>>69312651
>bayonet just meant sword
No it didn't, the name Bayonet derives from the French town of Bayonne
it never meant sword
>>69312540
Maybe he means the pike and shot era where there were still troops in armor
>>69312540
>They reloaded their weapons, and fired again.
Sustained shootouts were a kinda crappy idea, both sides would take a lot of casualties and until you were almost completely out of soldiers it wouldn't be very conclusive because no one could see shit from the smoke so you couldn't tell which side was winning. If you succeed to break the enemy lines by a charge you won't lose as many soldiers. And more modern bayonets, sure. But early muskets didn't have any, and the early rifles with bayonets were typically insanely long and only useful as pikes to fend off cavalry, once you got up close with other infantry they relied on swords.
>>69312648
> Rooms are really super different than fields in this example, what with fields being completely wide open spaces where you can see someone coming from hundreds of yards away. While rooms can be literally any other situation except inside.
Are you fuck retarded?
> i'm pretty sure cavemen didn't have firearms.
The same argument applies, and we were originally discussing why nobody dogpiled Dayne.
You brought up firearms for your special pleading.
>>69312764
They were nlades you used as a sidearm, no one had invented the fucking plug to attach them to a musket when they were first reported existing
>>69306791
>curious why no one ever mixed plate armor like this with two fuck huge shields.
because that's a fucking stupid idea, though somehow less stupid than that armour design in itself
I don't get the writing this season (or season's 5 for that matter)
Why don't they stick to it? The tower of joy has some of the most reconizable dialogue in the series, why omit most of the parts and keep the stupid ass "and now it begins/ends" when it doesn't even mean anything without the fucking context
They could actually make some tense scenes before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEj1aN_Rmj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2e7bX2oVlQ
To this
>>69312841
But they weren't bayonets.
In any case, pre-bayonet the fighting power of infantry was split between the pike and musketry, musketeers' sidearms were an afterthought at best. The idea of charging a mixed pike-and-shot formation with swords is quite frankly absurd
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_2e7bX2oVlQ
Here is the fight in a nutshell
1:00 is the real deal
>>69312993
They were called bayonetes, they were bayonets. Hell even the plug was fucking shit and fell off all the time, the socket version was when a bayonet started being of any practical use outside of hoping for the best
>>69299903
>Best fighting scene ever in anime
>Sword of the Stranger
Shockingly accurate t b h familia.
>>69299783
Well Jaime and Ned did have a different stunt coordinator as well as all of season 1.
>>69305723
yeah except during the sengoku period samurai didnt really use swords besides muh honor and as a last resort. Bows were their shit and they were damn good at using them.
>>69306188
nah there was also edo between sengoku and meji where samurai became aristocrats and the poor were fucked in the ass like ever before but it was free of major conflicts
>>69313588
No, that's Nara period, the horse archer thing was long over. Most of them liked guns more than the bow by then
>>69312726
well, you know, when their shooting a surrendering person like in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZkGx8ZVy4k
>>69305308
>he's still in the Bronze Age
>>69306523
>shield gets stuck in guy
what do?
Is literally a show with magic, dragons, and dead people coming back to life. And /tv is losing their shit over some guy dual wielding.
how the fuck do you go from this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwQAZ7_SjgU
to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghprWEjcNRY
If D&D are sick of the show they should just step away.
>>69299783
TO THIS
>>69306791
>just run dude lmao
>>69313983
A triangular cross section spike is very unlikely to get stuck in anything.
>>69308951
>>69308951
savage
can't wait for someone to do a lightsaber version of the fight
