>>69168196
>For the resurrection sequence, Snow lay naked on the table while Melisandre washed his body. “It took forever to resurrect him, forever!” says van Houten. “It was such an important scene, we shot it from so many angles. I think I washed his body 50 times. There would be a lot of people who would be very jealous.”
>Harington had no complaints. His days on the Thrones set usually involve exhausting action scenes in freezing cold. “It was very weird, like a teenage boy’s wet dream: You’re laying there naked and Carice van Houten is washing you,” he says. “It was such an easy two episodes, I loved it.”
>The actor had one startling moment, however. Harington fell asleep on the table, then woke up in the middle of a scene. For a minute, his show life and real life seemed more blurred than ever. “You know how terrifying it is when you wake up and you don’t know where you are?” Harington says. “Imagine waking up in the Game of Thrones world. It’s like a nightmare.”
Is Kit autistic?
Preston
Why the fuck doesnt the king have an army loyal to himself. What kind of idiot relies on levies from your subjects.
>>69170892
Adorable.
Why is Barristan such a retard?
>tfw Qybun cucks Varys out of his crossbow scene
>>69170892
what i wouldn't pay to have melly wash me.
>>69170728
>>69170869
Gurm is at his best when he's creating atmosphere. He has a great sense of constructing spaces, sights, colors, smells, all of that. He's a very cinematic writer, which makes you wonder how come the show is such shit.
The crime D&D committed with Stannis was that they rendered almost his entire plot-line, his reason for being in the show, to be moot. It was pointless because in the end Stannis winds up having no affect on the world around him. The Boltons roll right over him and scarcely notice.
If it had been done more intelligently they might have done this:
>Season 5
We have that scene were Roose chastises Ramsay for playing some Cerwyns. Telling him they can't rule the North through fear alone.
So let's have a few more scenes like that. Give us something about the Hornwoods, maybe even name drop "that Forrester lord you killed".
Now whatever Stannis does with his family, have him actually put up a fight against the Boltons. He still loses and still dies, but the battle is a bloody one.
>Season 6
So in the aftermath the Boltons have won, but their forces have been gutted. They are much weaker now and have lost Sansa. The other northern lords hate them, and especially Ramsay. Once Ramsay's brother is born Roose (and Ramsay) realizes that to appease his vassals and maintain his grip on the North he'll have to denounce Ramsay's actions, strip him of his inheritance, and hand him over to the other Lords to dispense justice to (execute him).
This at least would show that Stannis and his army, even in total defeat, will have changed the landscape in the North with all the surviving characters forced to adapt this. So his plot-line actually had a point now. It was also give Ramsay a more convincing reason to murder his own father and brother. Maybe even HE knows his regime is doomed, but simply to stay alive he'll do whatever he needs to survive even one more day.
>>69170933
Joff says something about it in S1 but Cersei knocks it down.
>>69170933
It's a bit stupid the iron throne only directly commands the kings guard. And theyre not really a military force.
>>69170892
do you think he had precum?
Just saw a leak of the season finale. It ends with Dany arriving in Westeros and crowd surfing while the song "Happy" by Feral Williams plays. Really a 10/10 episode and the highlight of the series.
>>69170892
>You’re laying there naked and Carice van Houten is washing you,”
and he gets paid to do this?
>mfw someone is being a Stannisfag next to me
Why are beta jews who are completely fine with buttfucking allowed to write for ubermanly man-power fantasies? Euron being the latest character sabotage.
>>69170933
This is why Tywin should have been king.
>>69171006
that didn't work out as planned kid, did it?
Next time google how to put a video in the post
Am i the only one sereosly hoping daenerys dies?
i mean, it would only be justice, right?
you can't kill of characters like ned, stannis, robb, tywin, etc... and keep that cunt on the show, right?
>>69170892
>mfw he woke up with a bonner
>>69171011
>Why are beta jews who are completely fine with buttfucking allowed to write for ubermanly man-power fantasies? Euron being the latest character sabotage.
>>69171047
daenerys dying would be the ultimate normie killer
>>69170933
The King does have the crownlands, which are lords sworn directly to the Throne.
Rosby, Thorne, Duskendale, Celitgar I think, ect...
Granted, you have to keep in mind that when the Throne was set up the Targs had dragons. Dragons were armies unto themselves.
It's my opinion that the Targaryen dynasty and the Iron Throne itself were doomed to collapse or irrelevance once the dragons died.
Hell, just play Crusader Kings 2 sometime. Without dragons holding onto the Iron Throne can be very difficult because you are at the mercy of the more powerful LP's.
>>69170892
>Is Kit autistic?
ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
>>69170966
Hopefully by season 8 you fucking retards will be done crying over Stannis.
>mfw The book comes out and shits on Stanman just like the show did xD
>>69171011
Nothing more manly and masculine than fucking another masculine man in the ass and make him your bitch.
>>69171011
Wait, didn't Euron buttfuck Aeron?
>>69171011
my name is euron!
i am your brother, and i have returned to kill you, thus becoming king - MWAHAHAHAHAH
>>69171047
probably. Dany has potential, no need to kill her off
>>69171087
Yuri or whatever his name was
>tfw no loli brother called Yuri
queen of love and beauty
Starks of Winterhell.
>>69171078
What is the (potential) militay strentgh of the crownlands anyway.
>>69170933
The crownland's levies are the king's most loyal army. Goldcloaks and KG are elite paramilitary forces. All of them combined could not win if even two other kingdoms' levies ally against them.
But i get what you're saying, why not have a praetorian guard-type formation taken as volunteers from all over the kingdoms but trained and indoctrinated directly for king's service.
>>69171113
we've had this discussion before nigger bitch. only adelaide kane
Why is show Edd such an edgy twat? Book Edd is great
Eddison: I never win anything. The gods always smiled on Watt, though. When the wildlings knocked him off the Bridge of Skulls, somehow he landed in a nice deep pool of water. How lucky was that, missing all those rocks?
Grenn: Was it a long fall? Did landing in the pool of water save his life?
Eddison: No. He was dead already, from that axe in his head. Still, it was pretty lucky, missing the rocks.
>>69170872
Why is Bran being shown history. Jon snows parentage is important to viewers by why does Bran need to know?
>>69171081
>Hopefully by season 8 you fucking retards will be done crying over Stannis.
I'M NOT CRYING! OMFG *holds back tears*
I just think it was shittily written, and it was. Stannis losing and dying is fine with me, but it sucked because it was anti-climatic and had no impact on anything.
A plot-line that resolves itself without a satisfying conclusion or real-pay off is a plot-line you might as well drop from your story. It was a total waste of time.
>>69170892
top fucking kek
>>69171136
Not much, unless they draft the wretched of the earth of KL, which is a bad idea. I suppose the idea is not to recruit only from the Crownlands but from the entire kingdom according to some proportional key.
>>69171072
it just doesn't seem fair that people that good got killed because of one slip (or less) and she gets to live doing all this stupid shit
>>69171136
I'm not certain what it is in the books. Probably somewhere around 10k? Maybe 15k?
>>69171181
Because he has to know his enemY: Jon/ Azhor Azhai
>>69171126
i miss him :'(
>>69171141
This, it's dumb af the crown doesnt have a professional standing army loyal only to the king.
>>69171176
I agree with you on the writing front. I'm more upset that after a year every thread consists of one post about this shit, most of the time it's multiple, yall need to move on.
Next episode is called Oathbreaker so watch Stannis be alive and Brienne broke her Oath and didn't kill him.
>mfw instead of Lady Stone Heart we have fucking Stannis Stone Heart instead
>>69171113
Russia will win. Again. Aaaaaaaaagain...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqE-FXzx3Lo
>>69171233
>>69171221
To be fair this was the state of affairs in Europe for hundreds of years. Not to say it makes much sense, but in order to raise a professional standing army you need a significant amount of resources as well as a bureaucratic-logistical-technical mechanism which is not trivial.
>Wow anon, you're funny just like that Imp guy!
>>69171145
Book Edd is a meme character. Show Edd is great now that he has screen time.
>>69171274
Not to mention the politics of it of course.
is young ned going to use ice in the TOJ scene, because that would be both awesome and retarded
>>69171249
>>69170892
I can't sleep in strange places.
>>69170892
>I washed his body 50 times
>>69171304
>using a ceremonial execution blade in the combat
That's too much even for Dabid
>>69171307
Very low energy
Who fulfills the role of palace guards? Is it the gold cloaks? Seems like a huge liability.
>>69171047
I want her to fail miserably as well. She never earned anything, everyone does everything for her. She's just an entitled idealist who thinks the world should re-order it's self to her liking like she's some sort of goddess because 'muh draguns'.
>>69171102
What potential? She's literally a moeblob magical girl plot device character who shits up every book with her boring chapters about how super special and good she is.
>>69171221
A professional standing army would be great, but it costs money that the Iron Throne doesn't have because it's in severe debt. I guess the king could raise taxes on its subjects to pay off part of its debts and put an army together, but raising taxes might not be easy considering the situation in Westeros. And anyway, loyalty has to be earned if it can't be bought, and who's really going to give a fuck the king now that he's just some kid and his main support aside from possibly Jaime is a bunch of retards or psychotics.
>>69171110
Term is shota, anon.
>>69171365
Yep the city guards.
>>69171365
Isn't it the King's Guard? / Lannister's personal guard?
>>69171286
Imagine being a small noble who gets convinced that joining the Night's Watch will get him loads of pussy and then finds out that you can't fuck a girl and if you do there's the death penalty. Edd is still butthurt about that, as is right.
Why didn't Osha's crew join up with Mance Rayder's army again?
>>69170363
Mance is an irrelevant twink, so no.
>>69171354
>That's too much even for Dabid
DABID DABID TWO ICE'S DABID TWO
>>69171403
Plus lannister men are there two. Ned brings some northmen with him when he comes down as hand.
>>69171411
KG is the persobal body guard, not the general paramilitary force guarding the castle.
faggots
>>69171432
Of course there are the soldiers of the respective houses too, but it's not their designated professional duty.
>>69171415
>Imagine being a small noble who gets convinced that joining the Night's Watch will get him loads of pussy
Literally Theon when he's considering taking the black and surrendering Winterfell.
>“I do not speaking of running, take the black….Ser Rodrik has served House Stark all his life, and House Stark has always been a friend to the Watch. He will not deny you. Open your gates, lay down your arms, accept his terms, and he must let you take the black.”
>A brother of the Night’s Watch. It meant no crown, no sons, no wife…but it meant life, and life with honor. Ned Stark’s own brother had chosen the Watch, and Jon Snow as well.
>I have black garb aplenty, once I tear the krakens off. Even my horse is black. I could rise high in the Watch—chief of rangers, likely even Lord Commander. Let Asha keep the bloody islands, they’re as dreary as she is. If I served at Eastwatch, I could command my own ship, and there’s fine hunting beyond the Wall. As for women, what wildling woman wouldn’t want a prince in her bed? A slow smile crept across his face. A black cloak can’t be turned. I’d be as good as any man . . .
>>69171460
I would go to war for this.
>>69171373
She has potential to drive the story along and have chapters that aren't boring once she finally fucking gets to Westeros. Dany doesn't have to be a likeable character to be effective in the story.
It does kind of annoy me that the book and the show are both implying Dany is any good, though. For example, what the fuck do Varys and Tyrion see in her? Hey, let's have an entitled bitchy tyrant from the half-crazy Targ family complete with dragons. What can possibly go wrong.
So why again was Varys loyal to Aerys, and to the Targaryen in general?
Did Dayne not fight with two swords in the book or what are you all so upset about? What does it matter really, if he's the greatest swordsman ever then surely he can dual wield if the situation calls for it, no?
>>69170933
It has to do with the history and culture of Westeros. The Targs should have reformed shit when dragons died, but they were too shortsighted and confident in their dynasty. By the time the War of Five Kings was getting close, it was too late.
Joff mentions this and he was right, but Cersei was also right that it would be impossible to make Northmen take up arms against their own.
This fuck-up was on the Targs.
>>69171411
There's like 7 members of the Kingsguard bro. They can just about cover one doorway 24/7.
>>69171281
>And you're just like Varys. Because you have no cocks!
Shame GRRM didnt copy the roman early principate model with praetorians as the palace guard and the germanic guard as the king's personal bodyguards.
>>69171500
Because he has no cock.
>>69171478
Is Theon legit retarded
>>69171398
What if he identifies as a girl though?
what is littlefinger up to?
>>69171500
Order.
>>69171446
>>69171511
Yeah, you guys are right. I was remembering back to season 1/book 1 and I felt like in the red keep we mostly only saw Lannister guards.
>>69171500
He's not loyal to Targaryens in particular, he is loyal to Dany who happens to be one, because he believes in her.
He simply didn't like killing children and wanted a failsafe in case Robert proved a disaster, so he may have saved Aegon.
>>69171460
men, prepare my things
>>69171550
Stockpiling grain/allies for the winter for his big power play.
>>69171415
>>69171478
Most of the Black Brothers break that oath. As long as they never wed or let it get in the way of duty, it is fully tolerated. Otherwise there would be literally no Nights Watch.
>>69170933
It was planned by Joffrey and will probably be continued by Tommen. As insane as Joffrey is, he had some good ideas. If Lannisters win, you will see a more united and less retarded kingdom. A kind of an absolute monarchy. The downside is that this united Westeros would only consist of Crownlands, Stormlands, Westerlands and MAYBE the Reach.
If Dany wins you'll have Aerys II aka 'do as I say or you get fucking burned'. If Stannis won you'd have something similar to Lannister victory except a lot less people would support him.
>>69171529
He's just trying to convince himself it's a good life. A few lines later he's like "oh yeah Jon Snow is in the Night's Watch and will probably murder me for everything I've done."
>>69171580
>hot pockets
check
>piss bottle
check
>mlp figurine collection
check
>>69171550
He'll swoop in and reveal to everyone that Jon is a Targaryen with Rhaegar's will
Would it make sense for the king to hire the golden company or unsullied as his own army? In general, not the current timeframe.
>>69171274
Not always!
One of the reasons we french neglect whenever explaining why France was a successful medieval country is that the Kings weren't reluctant to shit on their unruly vassals. Look at every war strewn across the medieval ages for France, and you'll find that they also were a case of foreign forces siding with rebellious french vassals (for example, Anglo-French: Germans and englishmen, siding with the rebellious duchy of Burgundy; Hundred Years' War: englishmen siding with the duchy of Toulouse and Britanny, etc...). The power of those vassals were even more lessened once the "Fronde" occurred where some vassals attempted to assassinate the french King, and the french minister Richelieu basically tore down each medieval fortress those nobles had, basically preventing them from ever rebelling again (hence why France has so few medieval castles remaining nowadays).
So nah, it wasn't that spread out across all of Europe. In fact, I'd argue that the countries that survived the Middle Ages, and emerged as united countries were in fact those with kings that knew to fuck their vassals (so looking at France, England where the kings had no qualms about being ruthless with unloyal vassals, Spain I suppose; while meanwhile countries like Poland and Germany that were ruled by an oligarchy of nobles were far less successful).
So with strong Targaryen rulers and their dragons, Westeros is going to recede back into its original "7 kingdoms format".
I hope this makes sense. Apologies, english isn't my first language ;-;.
>DnD have a budget of 10 MILLION per episode
Does it show?
>>69171585
is it possible he would join the vale army to aid jon snow?
>>69171047
NO. She and Jorah will have a happy ending together and live as a 17 year old Queen with her 40 year old King.
>>69171505
That's why to have a united Westeros it would need to decrease in size. From the looks of it for now it'll be Westerlands + Crownlands + Stormlands.
>>69171566
>He's not loyal to Targaryens in particular,
He warned Aerys about Rhaegar's plotting, and tried to convince him Tywin was double crossing him.
yfw we see adult lyanna in the next episode
>>69171610
That would be the most cliched thing possible.
Why do people give a shit if Jon Snow is alive? Can't they just fucking kill him again?
He's a loser who couldn't even kill Karl Tanner without help from some girl and he would have been a virgin if some crazy wild girl hadn't raped him.
>>69171619
>medieval
>Fronde
What?
>>69171637
>adult lyanna
>>69171637
>adult
Isn't she dead at 17?
>>69171497
That's exactly the problem, though. She gets a shit ton of POV chapters and now other characters will have their arcs marred with her silly bullshit. I don't care about the show at this point, but I damn well hope it blows up in their faces in the book, and that a character or two who actually have character development and actually suffer and work for their goals, gets to be the real hero or king. As long as the cunt fails, I'll be satisfied with how her arc turned out.
>>69171615
Unsullied, maybe. Golden Company, no. Hiring GC for a short offensive campaign might work, as a standing army, they wouldn't be reliable. It's effectively putting a clear pricetag on a successful coup - you need $X in order to sway the GC's loyalties, then you have the King's army and the King is fucked.
>>69171651
Let's not forget he's also a manlet.
They rely on levied armies because it is a feudal society. Peace is maintained by a complex interweaving of mutually obliging contractual arrangements.
>>69171619
The issue is Westeros is fucking huge. Any of the individual seven kingdoms are USA-sized, so much MUCH bigger than your standard European country. Even the Iron Islands dwarf the UK. Now combine that with a lack of communications aside from ravens. Westeros has no chance of being united.
>>69171615
Mercenaries can be dangerous, especially if you run out of money to pay them. No gold, no loyalty.
Unsullied would make a lot more sense, but people might be freaked out by a bunch of eunuch slave fighters from a foreign land working for the king. That might piss off some of the more loyal lords too (like "what, our own knights/soldiers aren't good enough for you? etc.)
>>69171651
He killed a White Walker and he can lead both wildlings and men. He is the hero who can save the world.
>>69171651
>He's a loser who couldn't even kill Karl Tanner without help from some girl and he would have been a virgin if some crazy wild girl hadn't raped him.
Proof that he's not a Gary Stu
>>69171651
>He's a loser who couldn't even kill Karl Tanner without help from some girl
That would be like saying a normal person is a loser because he couldnt kill the Mountain on his own
>>69171669
Fallait bien que je mette des exemples ._.
Leut dis pas que j'ai menti!
>>69171619
Yes yes of course, there is the exception of France in the late Middle Ages. But even then it makes for about, how many, 700-800 years of decentralized rule between SPQR and ? France simply modernized earlier than other countries but it wasn't a given fact of nature there either.
>>69171673
she's definitely not gonna be 17 in the show since they age up the characters
>>69171623
>based daenerys wants 1,5 mil per episode, 3,5 if nude
goddamn
>>69171604
This pretty much. 2bh I always found Theon's last chapter in Clash more mentally unhinged and unbalanced than any of his chapters in Dance as Reek. He goes through stages of sweating, panicking, thinking about how Balon might save him, thinking about how Dahmer or Asha might save him, accepting no help is coming, accepting his death, trying to think about how he'll die, fully accepting he's going to die, then trying his hardest to think about dying a good death so he won't be remembered as a coward or weak.
Then Red Helm and the Dreadfort men arrive and it's all ogre
>>69171721
>between SPQR and
Between SPQR and the Hundred Year War*
>>69171623
Ten million is a pretty skimpy budget for an hour-long piece with those production values. It only works because set and costume costs etc are spread over the season. Ten milly wouldn't get you something that looks like an individual GoT episode if that one episode was all you were doing.
>>69171651
In all fairness Karl Tanner was a fooking legend
Jon, Davos, Hound, Arya, Tyrion and Deanerys are the real positive heroes of this story.
>>69171651
Karl Tanner was a fookin legend you mong
>>69171703
Why is killing a White Walker such a special thing? If Karl Tanner can kill Jon Snow and Jon Snow can kill a White Walker, then how hard can it be to kill a White Walker?
I thought the moss siblings who helped Brann also killed a bunch of them. Seems like they drop like zombies.
>>69171757
>>69171760
ebin xd
>>69171047
I hadn't read the books until after S4;
>Ned dying shocked the fuck out of me
>Renly dying shocked the fuck out of me
>Robb and Cat dying shocked the fuck out of me
>Tywin dying shocked the fuck out of me
GURM isn't the type to make people un-killable so a Dany death wouldn't be as shocking compared to if she was in another show, however with Aegon cut, Vicky cut, Stannis dead, Le short meme man being on her side and the rags to riches arc behind her - It doesn't look good.
Think, If Tommen died - who is there to claim the throne other than her?
The north don't want it - they just want independence.
Furthermore, Euron doesn't want it (as far as I know) - he just wants independence as well.
It's literally Daenerys vs Tommen at this point.
And when he dies it will only be her.
>>69171680
>>69171697
Well, there are numerous real world examples of undying loyalty from mercenaries. In fact, mercenaries have often been employed as palace guards, with the Swiss probably being the most famous. In GoT lore however, arnt the second sons famous for honoring their contracts? So it would be a case of finding the right mercenaries.
>>69171767
>Why is killing a White Walker such a special thing? If Karl Tanner can kill Jon Snow and Jon Snow can kill a White Walker, then how hard can it be to kill a White Walker?
but its Karl>WW>Jon
so Jon killing WW is pretty based desu
>>69171529
This was actually the least retarded idea he had. He should have decided to give up and take the black sooner. Theon's main issue is wanting to belong somewhere, anywhere, and to gain respect and glory. Like Jon he could actually have done well amongst them if he tries, he at least would have been a decent ranger, and could have whores in Moletown. Most of the Black Brothers are not celibate.
>>69171604
Yeah, that's a bit more realistic. Though I wish Theon had decided to take the black soon enough, because it would have been interesting to see his effect on Jon. Jon wouldn't just kill him outright, it would be against his duty. This shit would have been pretty great.
>>69171690
In all honesty, I always do try to delude myself that Westeros isn't that big, because it's never made any sense for me that a country that huge could exist under Medieval times.
Again, I'm sorry to conflate Westeros history with that of Europe, but one of the ways European Kings would keep support from the masses would often be to journey across their lands, and meet their subjects while touring.
To my knowledge, no Targaryen King ever has done that, and neither has Robert, so I'm always dumbfounded that people from, say Dorne or Karhold, will be accepting of orders from a king they've never seen, from a capital they know nothing about, and should have to feel patriotic about Westeros as a country when they've only seen small patches of their own regions.
I love Gurm but the size of his creation is retarded.
>>69171780
Who is the heir to the throne if/when Tommen dies? Smirkfu?
>>69171785
Mercenaries in GoT honor their contracts because if they don't nobody will hire them.
>>69171679
This is pretty much what I'm hoping for. That Dany goes to Westeros and then figures out that aside from having dragons, she's nothing special, and that nobody gives a fuck about her/people want her to go away because they're sick of war.
>>69171785
Most mercenary groups in ASOIAF are generally loyal, with the important exception of the Brave Companions. The Golden Company is even something like a sworn Blackfyre army.
>>69171780
Which is why I don't think Tommen is going to die. At least not this season anyway. He won't die until Dany's at the gates of King's Landing. Even DnD aren't retarded to end the royal conflict (hence the show name GAME OF THRONES) before it's in the final or second-final season. Tommen will die, but it'll probably be at the start of S7 and then S7 and S8 will be everyone v White Walkers.
>>69171690
No they're not. Maybe the size of one of our larger states, but each being the size of the whole of USA? That is retarded.
Everything about Westeros's size is retarded.
You want to talk about France? In France, until the fucking 1800s, less than half the population spoke French. Meanwhile in Westeros everyone from Dorne to beyond the Wall (except the super isolated wildlings like the Thenns) speak the same language,
Aren't Kings supposed to impregnate their Queen almost immediately?
Monarchies still do that today.
Margaery wanted Renly to put a baby inside her so it's not like she's unwilling to do it.
Tommen will do anything she wants.
Why didn't he impregnate her before she got High Sparrow'd?
There's a theory that Darkstar squired for Arthur Dayne and in the Tower of Joy when Lyanna died.
>tfw Darkstar is the key
>>69171176
I have waited so long for Stannisfags to be this bfto. Screencaped and saved.
>>69171875
>>69171690
In all honesty, I always do try to delude myself that Westeros isn't that big, because it's never made any sense for me that a country that huge could exist under Medieval times.
Again, I'm sorry to conflate Westeros history with that of Europe, but one of the ways European Kings would keep support from the masses would often be to journey across their lands, and meet their subjects while touring.
To my knowledge, no Targaryen King ever has done that, and neither has Robert, so I'm always dumbfounded that people from, say Dorne or Karhold, will be accepting of orders from a king they've never seen, from a capital they know nothing about, and should have to feel patriotic about Westeros as a country when they've only seen small patches of their own regions.
I love Gurm but the size of his creation is retarded.>>69171721
>But even then it makes for about, how many, 700-800 years of decentralized rule between SPQR and ?
I suppose that you're correct there. I always do refer only to those later decades of the Middle Ages, so the blame is on me.
In fact, to evidence what you're saying, see this map and notice how ridiculously small the royal domain (depicted in blue) was, and how dependent our Kings would've been on their vassals.
That said, is ASoIF meant to be earlier or later Middle Ages?
>>69171697
Maybe. All this is assuming that the Throne could really afford the GC or Second Sons for long enough to make them effective, though, and employing them as a standing army would probably be expensive as hell since they'd be on call 24/7.
The Winds of Winter is going to be brutal in that all the innocent children die.
>Myrcella, Tommen, Shireen, Rickon,
maybe Edric Storm too.
the show is going to spoil all of them first though
>>69171820
Why do you think there are Lords Paramount?
Why shouldn't it work?
Greeks did it, Romans did it, British did it, and fucking DID it, half the world was under their rule and lots of it still is.
China did and does it
Russia did and does.
>>69171851
Take a map and compare.
>>69171821
>>69171866
Odds are that might happen, because if there's no Tommen baby then it's inbetween Jaime/Cersei/Tyrion because of retarded Andal succession. But I really think they won't be killing off Tommen yet. Tommen will 'die' as in rely less on mummy and become more of a proto-Tywin 2.0 and Robert Strong as the Valonqar will kill Cersei. Probably in defense of Tommen.
>>69171821
Literally, LITERALLY Daenerys.
Orys Baratheon conquered Westeros with Aegon the Conquerer who he shared Valyrian blood with.
Furthermore Steffon (Robert, Stannis and Renly's father) married Rhaella Targaryen - meaning if you discount Orys' Targaryen blood - Robert ("father" to Tommen) is 1/8 Targ anyway - making Tommen 1/16 Targ,
Daenerys is literally the heir to the Iron Throne.
You could possibly add it up with the Targs marrying with Martells and maybe someone with a Martell name is the heir - but the Martells are dead so that destroys that theory.
Daenerys is Tommen's heir.
A better question is who's Dany's heir? She's infertile so if the show ends on her winning then we'll end without knowing the future of the country. That would be DnD alright.
>>69171820
A roman model would make more sense, but you need a large professional military for that. It wouldve made more sense if Gurm modeled the targaryen's on the romans. Well the late principate ones anyway.
>>69171853
Westeros has been quasi-unified for literally thousands of years. To put this into perspective it would be like if the Minoans would have gotten up, conquered all of Europe and made them swear fealty and the same basic polity would have remained in place, with various different dynasties taking the place of others, some foreign, some not, right up until the present day!
Under those conditions a common language makes some sense.
I've seen episode 3. Ask me anything.
>>69171767
Have you missed the part where Jon convinced wildling to side with him? He is a true leader and a warrior and that's why he became the Lord Commander.
>>69170966
>a random guy on a vietnamese children's cartoon board is a better storyteller than D&D
>>69171866
Maybe he did. They fucked right after their wedding, didn't they?
>>69171958
What's your favourite colour?
Westeros is about the size of South America, said by the fatman.
It's still retardedly huge though. Robert took over a month or so to go from KL to Winterfell.
>>69171821
If she is at least pregnant, no matter if she is imprisoned. If she carries an heir, she is next in line to the point where he is born, then she is likely removed from power and Kevan or Cersei act as Lord Regent until he or she is at least 14.
But likely there is no heir at all. Power will fall to any Lannister since they are still closest in line and the ones that sit all over KL
>>69171853
The ethnic composition is pretty homogeneous though. There hasn't been any major immigration to Westeros since the Andals invaded ~6,000 years ago. Enormously different from Europe with constant migrations and invasions and extremely diverse origins.
If anything a better comparison would be South America that has very diverse racial composition but still speaks generally two major languages (that are quite similar to each other).
>>69171820
>>69171926
With a lack of communications and no dragons, Westeros as a unified entity is as good as done. By the end of the series, realistically everyone will become their separate 7 kingdoms again.
>>69171905
Ugh ignore that upper part of my message, and here's the pic related I'd mentioned.
>>69171830
Nah they don't mate.
They're fickle as fuck. The tattered prince (the windblown) and Brown Benn plumm (Second sons) betray the Yunkai'i at the siege of Meereen.
Many other such cases in the a song of ice and fire lore.
>>69172001
>Enormously different from Europe with constant migrations and invasions and extremely diverse origins.
Complete bullshit, the last major EXTERNAL migrations from non-indigenous populations were the Indo-Europeans, everything else was internal migration (Germanics, Italics, Greeks) and even then they didn't leave as much of a genetic footprint as some think - To give you an example, most of the English genome descends from ice age settlers.
>>69171153
Technically Bran is a "viewer" too :^)
>>69171954
>Westeros has been quasi-unified for literally thousands of years.
No it hasn't.
>Under those conditions a common language makes some sense.
No it fucking doesn't.
>>69172001
British Isles and 13 Colonies were racially homogeneous. Doesn't mean that they didn't rebel over fucking taxes. And that was long after feudal times were over, so Westeros has even less reason to be united.
Westeros is a fucking medieval EU, enforced by dragons rather than beurocrats. The dragons are gone, the royal line is almost extinguished. Daenerys, if she lives by the end of this, will have to conquer Westeros by force.
>>69171972
This, as much as people love to hate them, they have at least need to give them credit for the series as a whole. It has cool scenes like Red Wedding or battle against white walker zombies or siege of the black wall.
I would rather compare them to the creators of LOST where people often complained about the show but still had to acknowledge that they made something cool. Some fanboys of particular characters are just too salty to admit that and keep making memes that try to diminish the work of D&D
>>69171999
>he doesn't know about the upcoming great council in TWoW
>>69172051
Plumm does it because he planned it all along.
same with the tattered prince. They have secret ties with the Targaryens of Blackfyres.
>>69172072
>No it hasn't.
There has been a single westerosi polity for thousands of years, this is a fact.
>>69171690
I'm pretty sure Westeros was confirmed to be the size of South America.
>>69171905
>That said, is ASoIF meant to be earlier or later Middle Ages?
Technologically it's more towards the earlier period.
But of course there are other factors involves too. Westeros for example doesn't have a single religion, and even the one that's the strongest isn't dominant to the same extent the catholic church was in the high middle ages.
>>69171820
>In all honesty, I always do try to delude myself that Westeros isn't that big, because it's never made any sense for me that a country that huge could exist under Medieval times.
Well you're seeing it come apart right now. It only came into existence 300 years ago because of the distorting effects of dragons.
>>69172089
get your facts straight, fucko
>>69172075
Anon, haven't there been several uprising / revolts in the GOT universe though? It's not like the seven kingdoms have been united peacefully for their entire history.
>>69171176
>A plot-line that resolves itself without a satisfying conclusion or real-pay off is a plot-line you might as well drop from your story. It was a total waste of time.
It was a complete cop-out.
>Fuck, we have Stannis, all his attached characters and a huge army in the north, what do?
>Shireen burned for nothing
>Selyse kills herself
>Sellsword cavalry disappears into thin air
>Stannis' soldiers just overrun
>Boltons have effortless victory with no cost
Why couldn't they a have a costly battle for the Boltons so that they would now need the support of the north? Because then it would seem to easy for Jon to beat them.
>>69171153
it's just a coincidence
>>69170966
>because in the end Stannis winds up having no affect on the world around him
Just like in the books
>>69170872
>Bloodthirsty kikes most likely want to kill Tommen
>Didn't realise they've dug themselves into a hole they can't get out of
TOP
KEK
>>69172051
>Brown Benn plumm
His guys lost. It was either switch sides or fight to the death. You don't expect that much from a mercenary band do you.
>>69171950
Would it have been possible for a Targaryen ruler to implement sweeping changes and basically do away with the feudal model in favor of a highly centralized power with local governors and a professional military local to the king?
Reminder that Barristan actually believes that Jaime should have let Aerys kill all of King's Landing
When's Aegon showing up?
>>69172075
>The dragons are gone, the royal line is almost extinguished. Daenerys, if she lives by the end of this, will have to conquer Westeros by force.
I get what you're saying but Dany has dragons desu that's like her whole deal.
>>69172123
It's just cheap. They want to inspire maximum hatred of Ramsay possible, so they let him win over and over again in the cheapest way.
Why Robert never killed Maester Aemon if he was a Targaryen?
>>69171550
Planning some more chaosh
>>69172183
He was already at the wall and denied the throne when he had the chance to rule. He wasn't a threat at all.
>>69172153
Again, it's not as simple as that. The feudal system wasn't some antiquated thing that didn't work. It did work. It worked well. Don't believe cartoonish monty python tier history about it. Ending a feudal system involves insane amounts of bloodshed and destruction.
So winter has been coming for a while now, when will it actually be here
>>69172138
>tfw Gendry rows into King's Landing just as the sand sneks kill Tommen
>>69172153
They shouldve done that when they still had their wildcard (dragons) and basically force the change.
>>69172055
Surely you don't mean the Islamic, Ottoman and Magyar invasions didn't involve a large scale population transfer, do you?
>>69171948
If Aegon is who he says he is then he's the heir, not Dany
>>69170945
What's in the box?
>>69171875
This would be so god damned amazing
>>69172225
They didn't. You're confusing linguistic legacy with genetic legacy.
>Ottomans
Considering that most present days "Turks" on the Western coast of Anatolia are largely just a bunch of Islamized Greeks and other native Anatolians with <5% Turkic DNA, no.
>>69172154
Barristan's was a targaryen fag who though rhaegar dindu nothing by kidnapping lyanna and starting a war.
>>69172089
How are you so wrong about this
>>69172221
it's already here apparently but Dumb&Dumber can't even make fake snow for scenes.
So apparently with the preview for episode 3 saying the wildlings think Jon is some kind of god and Kit Harrington saying after death he's had the fear of god put in him since he knows now there's no afterlife, only darkness, Jon's now going to focus on living life, he's going to fear death now.
Does this mean we're getting the darker Jon we wanted? Who believes in R'hllor and is leading religious zealots?
>>69172255
judging by the octagonal or hexagonal shape, it is related to the Dornish, since the snake box had a similar shape and the show does stuff like that.
So they will blame something on the Dornish to fire up Cersei's paranoia OR convince the other people that the Dornish indeed are behind it.
>>69171742
Yeah. What he did was terrible, but I felt bad for him none the less given the psychology behind his actions. At first he was trying so hard to convince himself that he wants to be the way ironbloods were in the 'glory days', raping, pillaging, taking what you want by right of force. He tries so hard to maintain his delusion as his conscience catches up with him. Then he starts making excuses for himself. In the end he knows he's getting what he deserves and wants to just salvage some shred of dignity in a moment of clarity, but then Ramsay shows up as 'Reek'. Ramsay who had been all too eager to encourage Theon's desperate measures and to kill for him, because it was all just a game to him. Like Theon, Ramsay is so much more interesting in the book.
My favorite part:
>"The noose I wore was not made of hempen rope, that's true enough, but I felt it all the same. And it chafed, Ser Rodrik. It chafed me raw." He had never quite realized that until now, but as the words came spilling out he saw the truth in them.
>>69171281
>And i like whores like you, just like the imp guy!
>>69170963
Yep. He's a screenplay writer and it shows.
The show is shit because it isn't written by him, it's written by two kikes with an obvious jewish agenda.
Has there been leaked details for episode 3 yet?
Will Gilly's baby finally stop being a baby now?
>Walda became pregnant and gave birth
>Bran is a man
>people travel from one end to the other
>Sam is still travelling with a baby
>>69170892
>Snow lay naked
He disappointingly wasn't
>>69172369
>Any man who dies with a clean sword
>I'LL RAPE HIS FUCKING CORPSE
GRRM writes the best episodes.
What is /tv/'s take on the Dunk & Egg novellas?
I genuinely think they're some of the best stuff GRRM the Heavy has ever written.
>>69170892
>It was such an easy two episodes, I loved it.”
sounds like a total bro, actually
>>69172392
Gilly's baby will never grow to be a man. The sons of Craster are the sons of winter. And they only grow in the cold.
is grrm directing an episode this season?
>>69172369
what jewish agenda?
Convince the world Muslims are evil and to kill them all?
>>69172419
Femanons PLS GO!
>>69171946
I've looked at the map. You realize you can drive for nine hours in one direction and still be in Florida the whole time, for example, and that isn't even one of our biggest states. Now look at how long it takes characters to travel the Map of Westeros on horse. You are retarded, just accept it.
>>69172456
He has to finish his book first.
>>69172392
>>Walda became pregnant and gave birth
So Sanasa was in Winterfell for close to 9 months? How did she not get knocked up by Ramsay?
>>69172392
>tfw Sam first stops in Bravos for an entire season and we'll never get to see Oldtown.
I really don't like the leaks of the battle.
How they say Ramsay winning and Littlefinger showing up to save the day.
First because they show Ramsay like a master strategist and Stark's army and Wildings Army being btfo by 20 good men. I just hope the leaks of Ramsay winning are not totally real and the fight is equal.
>>69172369
This. GRRM is based
>>69172458
D&D dislike Stannis because he's very typically "goyisch".
Being honorable (in the European sense) isn't Jewish. Being clever is Jewish. Those two things are often mutually exclusive. Jews admire "chutzpah" - in other words, being beyond shame or embarrassment or guilt in dealing with non-Jews. Honor dictates a lot of those things under all sorts of circumstances. So, it's basically a huge inconvenience for them in their efforts to preserve their ethnic distinctiveness apart from a people (European whites) who they could VERY easily find themselves swallowed-up by through intermarriage on account of the fact that they aren't all that different, genetically.
>>69172523
>Ramsay Sue
>Not winning in D&D's vision
>>69172510
more like
>how is she is not running around preggers
oh wait, they jumped from a wall
Now it wouldn't make sense if she still was pregnant.
>>69172459
No u
>>69172433
Same.
Kids in these threads are ADD ridden, they can't read books, just wikis.
>>69172510
>what is moon tea
>>69172238
Aegon is cut.
>>69172545
But D&D love Jon and he's the most honorable character in the show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Ebhnbhthw
>Emilia isn't his waifu
*tips*
>>69172609
Something never mentioned in the show?
>>69172599
They're really refreshingly innocent in some ways, just this very nice knight-errant's story, along with his squire.
>>69172580
Girls and Homosexuals aren't allowed in /got/.
Straight white males only.
These are the rules.
>>69172433
>What is /tv/'s take on the Dunk & Egg novellas?
I'd legitimately prefer Gurm spend his remaining years doing more stories taking us all the way to Summerhall rather than keep wasting his time trying to finish the main series which he will never do.
>>69172643
>This "acting"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztA__cx5xDU
I hate her so much
>>69172221
I really believed the first scene of this season to show the maesters of the citadel sending out white ravens. well, it could still happen when Sam arrives.
>>69172458
>what jewish agenda?
Oh boy.
>>69172692
>If I joke about it, it will go away
Nice try.
You're the same kind of person who claims that "SJWs" aren't "real liberals", am I right?
>>69172640
Yeah but SHUT UP because WRONG and also JEWS
>>69172545
No, they dislike Stannis because he's associated with a foreign religion. That foreign religion includes burnings. D&D probably associate it as Islam, or radical Christianity or whatever. Either way, their Stannis is evil because he's a religious extremist. Its always why they call Melisandre AND Stannis religious zealots.
D&D's agenda is a fedora-atheist one if they even have one, not an "Oy vey the goyim know" one. Less time on /pol/, more time on thinking will do you good.
>>69172523
This is going to happen anyway, D&D have a boner for Ramsay. It will be really sad to see the Wildings getting slaughtered tough, they have been trough to much.
>>69170872
So, how long till Jon is revealed as Targaryen? How long till they try to put him on fire and he walks out of the flames Terminator style?!
>>69172661
When was that ever the case, you silly shit. And stop trying to identify people's gender. We're all 'anon', you silly shit.
>>69172661
Girlfriend, /got/ is 80% gays, 17% women and 3% "straight" and even they are gay for Davos or Stannis
>>69172714
well "Stalin" and "Mao" weren't real "communists" either. :^)
>>69172721
>D&D's agenda is a fedora-atheist one if they even have one, not an "Oy vey the goyim know" one.
They are literally one and the same. David and Dan hate Stannis for a similar reason, though likely nothing to do with his honor. His character probably just struck them as stupid and goy-headed in a dangerous way. What drives them to hate is the fact that people they perceive to be utter simpletons and easily manipulated (by the Red Priestess, for instance) get to wield power in society. So, if a family full of them gets ruined, it's perfectly fitting, from a Jewish perspective.
>>69172714
/pol plz go
>>69172755
Loving Stannis is not gay - it's paying homage to a superior male.
All animals do it.
>>69172714
Oh no, I know your kind never, ever, ever go away once you've latched on to something.
And no, the only 'kind' of person I am is the 'kind' who mocks mentally ill people once they start shitting up threads. That's me, boss.
>>69170872
Would Stannis have won against the Boltons had half of his army (with all the horses) not left?
Also why did the leave?
Surely mercenaries aren't moral fags.
>>69171078
>Hell, just play Crusader Kings 2 sometime
>>>/v/
And never come back. fucc boi.
