>Atheism doesn't take away the pain, it only takes away the hope
Your move, people from the other site.
K
>>68970270
What other site?
Penny Arcade forums?
>>68970301
Go back to ET site.
Is Christianity even relevant anymore?
>>68970301
Something Awful, perhaps? That place was so cash.
I know it's probably the most juvenile application of logic but why would I believe in a god who(if I'm to believe) controls everything, yet lets us suffer and die daily.
I'm fairly interested in spiritualism, but this isn't pol so fuck it.
Nonchristian delusions take away the pain just as much as Christian ones.
why can atheist define atheism?
>>68970270
Agreed, atheists are the most pathetic, immoral illogical bunch of people ever. If i found a watch on the ground I would assume it would have a creator, not that it was self assembled
>Pureflix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7T_PFirQNo
>Christians
>according to their holy book should not allow women to speak in churches
>let's just ignore that part of the book and pick and choose the bits we like
>so why even fucking bother with the religion in the first place if you're going to just outright ignore the bits you don't want to hear
Organised religion is the stupidest thing on the planet.
>>68970340
Sadly, yes.
Good news, it's slowly dying out.
Bad news, Islam is taking it's place.
Expect to see more mosques in the next couple of decades.
>>68970404
Then who made the creator?
>>68970445
Shut up
>>68970387
Go read up on some theology mate. There are thousands of years of debate over just that topic by people who dedicated their lives to finding the answer.
>>68970270
> Religion doesnt take away the pain, Science and Medicine do.
Check and Mate
>>68970445
Nobody's claiming to have all the answers anon
>>68970445
DELETE THIS
>>68970445
Why would an infinite creator of finite creation need an originator? This argument actually rests on the side of the theist.
>>68970445
The reverse is also true. What was before the Big Bang? What was before that? What was before that? It's called infinite regression and can be used either for or against the idea of intelligent design.
>90% of world religious
>dude religion is dying, a thing of the past lmao
>>68970301
I lurked there for a long time, way back.
Awful. Wasted my life till I found 4chan, now my life is over.
>>68970518
>Go read up on some theology
This is the equivalent of telling someone to read more comic books in order to "understand" Superman.
>>68970521
Jesus Christ. I'm all for letting yourself fucking go on tubs of food if you wish, but don't show your gigantic monstrous visage to the world if you do. I want to hack open that smug cunt's obese fucking head and use a vacuum cleaner to suck out all the fat from his cheeks and neck as he screams in agony, unable to do anything about it. That would give me IMMENSE satisfaction.
Some people only exist to serve as an example to others.
>>68970558
If a creator doesn't need a creator, why would a creation?
>>68970270
Make this shit with Islam and you can thousands of sjw preach how awesome this movie is and we all should tollerate other religions.
> Religion doesnt take away the pain, it only takes away your money.
>>68970578
There is no before the big bang. Time as you know it starts there. Sorry but the science is really hard and not intuitive at all.
>>68970270
>its a shitstorm thread
>>68970340
Among poor countries. Yes.
Christcucks will never take the ultimate redpill
Why is loving niggers and being a faggot strongly correlated to atheism?
>>68970701
ask your cuck Dad.
>>68970392
This. Your placebo doesn't have to be called God.
>>68970641
kek
>>68970604
You asked the question. If you want an answer, read up on theology and come to your own conclusion.
>>68970763
I've read up on theology and it's all mythology.
>>68970763
>theology
Do you also suggest studying philosophy and women's studies?
>>68970794
What did you read?
so Jesus knew when he died as a human it wouldnt matter because he'd go back to Dad anyway.
so he really didnt sacrifice shit did he?
>>68970606
Because a creation presupposes a creator
>>68970829
>Do you also suggest studying philosophy
If you want an answer to your question, yes.
>and women's studies?
No. Women's studies has very little to do with theology or philosophy and I'm not sure why you would even bring it up
>>68970301
This cracked me up.
>>68970357
7chan
>>68970521
fedorca
>>68970445
>>68970558
This argument can be twisted to support either position, which is why you never hear it brought up in serious debates.
>>68970892
How do you define a creation? How do you recognize it from a noncreation?
>>68970270
Atheist should embrace the diversity among the Christians.
As an atheist I have made grave mistakes by assuming all American Christians are WASP. The mistake costly greatly in debates.
Why is there such a strong correlation between the development of society and the downfall of religion?
>>68971162
WASP is GOAT
>>68971181
Before people started to think for themselves and apply their knowledge, they would be afraid of and worship imaginary things.
>>68971162
I don't at all make that mistake. Anyone with any knowledge knows how cucked Catholics are by BRs and Filipinos.
>>68971181
There literally isn't. Two things coinciding is not correlation.
god is a fucking dick anyway so if anything we should unite to rebel
>>68971266
yes it is. you're thinking of causation
>>68970270
This movie is so utterly toxic to any true Christian. The first one was pretty harmless in it's own vaccuum and while I didn't like it, it had some points about professors in general being assholes to the students due to race, gender, religion, etc. The second one is a pure contradiction of the first movie. Like wtf?
>>68971181
why is there such a strong correlation between being a fucking friendless loser who posts on /tv/ and making big sweeping generalizations about all of history and society even though you've only been alive for 17 years?
>>68971367
Chill out, it's not like he drew muhammed.
>>68971312
No I'm not. Correlation implies a relationship between two changes. Two changes coinciding does not mean they are related.
>>68971367
i don't think there is, really
>>68971284
Where did this "God is a dick" meme come from? People have free will and do w/e they want. If God took that away, he'd actually be a dick.
>>68971422
But there is a "relationship between two changes", you dingus. It's observable in the history of every western country. I'll give you that it doesn't imply causation, but the fact that there's a correlation isn't up for debate.
>we live in a world where you're a jerk for not believing in magic
>>68971451
>People have free will
well memed
>>68970605
Damn man, hardcore, you sound really scary dude. Psycho bro.Kill yourself.
>>68971451
>free will
>divine plan
>prophets
>"Believe in me or suffer eternal torment"
*tips menorah*
>>68970340
Only on Facebook and other normie places.
Remember, when someone says they're an atheist, it really means they're against christianity because its the only one you can talk shit at and nobody does anything. Atheists are too chickenshit to stand up to islam or jews in a public forum and will often defend the former, despite it being a far more conservative and restrictive religion than christianity.
>>68971451
>condemns you to eternal torture if you dare be born into the wrong culture
>somehow not a dick
>>68970643
DUDE CHECK IT.
IN THE BEGINNING, THERE WAS NOTHING, AND IT EXPLODED WITH INFINITE FORCE
>>68971628
>let me put everyone who doesn't believe in god into this neat category
>let me tell you what everyone who falls into this vast and endlessly diverse but still neat category thinks and feels and does and why
>>68971181
Religiosity is objectively illogical. The more educated and intelligent people you have, the fewer religious people you have. Very simple.
>>68971802
Prove me wrong then. Go find some liberal atheist posting anti-islam stuff. I'd love to see a unicorn.
>>68971628
>this is what christfags actually believe
You people's victim complex knows no bounds.
>>68970445
Turtles all the way down
>The truth doesnt make me feel better so I'll just delude myself
Literally tumblr logic.
>>68970445
>it's turtles all the way down
>>68971747
what a useless fucking point. the same can be extended to literally any conceivable topic, so I guess everyone should just shut the fuck up, then.
>>68970441
Islam isn't taking it's place, it's just not dying out nearly as quickly, it basically isn't budging.
I'm not religious, but it's actually kind of worrying what could happen if Christianity disappears and Islam doesn't. At this rate Christianity has about 200 years if even that, before the falling off point.
>>68970925
Theology and philosophy have very little to do with the) reality and I'm not sure why you'd bring them up
>>68971843
HELLO NICE TO MEET YOU
>>68970445
Idris Elba
>>68971945
Both have shaped human history and philosophy is the literal precursor to modern science.
>>68971843
>>68971628
>Go find some liberal atheist posting anti-islam stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDFrNQAjDYA
>>68970673
I live in a poor country and its really not relevant at all, maybe in the phillippines but in latin america its overblown as fuck.
>>68971940
Islam is thriving. They don't read any other book aside from the Koran until they're old enough to be considered an adult. It's a great way to brainwash people.
On top of that, most of them are Arabic which are some of the lowest IQ subhumans on the planet.
>>68971843
HI THERE
>>68971940
Christianity is exploding in China, so there's that. In the West, it is already dead, especially Europe
>>68971843
CHEERIO, OL' CHAP
>>68972111
You literally can't become president in the US unless you say you're Christian
>>68971690
Why infinite force?
>>68971181
>society is developed
>let in millions of religious Muslims and get shittier than poor Christian countries
Who's the retard now?
>>68971843
THAT ISLAM IS BLOODY GAY INNIT
>>68972171
""""""Christian""""""
Meanwhile, gay marriage is now legal. Who is still being fooled by this act? Western Christianity is a joke, churches are being turned into night clubs as we speak
>>68971843
>guaranteed replies
here's another (you)
>>68972219
>implying their kids won't become atheist or at the very least their religion will become secondary to them
Exactly the same thing happened with American jews
>>68972219
If they don't let in those millions of low-skill workers, they will get shittier regardless. There was really no good choice
>>68971843inb4 hitchens wasn't liberal
>>68972011
But he isn't liberal. He doesn't like guns.
>>68972360
Liberals hate guns. Defending yourself means you can't be a victim.
>>68971843
I AM OLDER THAN MUHAMMED HIMSELF AND I SAY ISLAM STINKS
>>68972308
Yeah, because Jews are comparable to Arab retards
>>68972316
How about get rid of the anti-children part of feminism? The elite can control people at they will with every kind of media and they can't tell people to start having babies?
>>68971843
OI MATE
>>68972254
What about incest?
>>68972413
How can you be called a liberal and be against freedom?
>>68972011
>You're athiests, you should be attacking religion
What?
>>68972463
anti-children has nothing to do with feminism, it has to do with affluence.
>>68970878
heh, kid. think you're smart? your not.
>>68972463
They could, but at this point it's too late
Besides Western children are by and large taught to think of low-skill jobs as above them so it wouldn't work
>>68970763
>I don't have to provide any evidence or present any arguments, just do your own research lmao
>>68972463
Where I live (bongland) there's a giant hardon for secularism, and in kids irreligiosity and even critiquing religious ideologies when it's brought up (or when it's not for fedorawhorers) is the norm. They'd have to make their own schools (nice taxes) or just deal with it
And you'll find, while conservative, the Arabs typically value things like medicine and law, or at the very least working and being productive.
>>68972639
Yeah but the rich can tell people to have babies without importing African monkeys.
>>68972551
Because you're supposed to call the police.
>>68972674
>doesn't have free speech
>he thinks religion is a force for good in the world
>>68972644
You didn't present an argument to his point
>>68972551
It's believing in the freedom to not have to a higher chance of being killed in gun related crimes
>>68972742
What are you quoting?
>>68972744
I'd say it's neutral desu
>>68970441
>Yay, Christianity is dying out!
>Oh no, Islam is taking its place!
>these two things are obviously unrelated though
The mind of an atheist.
>>68972674
But most Christians are productive, why you even bring productivity to this debate.
Besides, you are cucks that recognize Muslim polygamous marriages but don't allow it to your Christian or non believer citizens.
>>68972835
Two things occurring simultaneously doesn't mean they're related. I guess atheists understand that because they have the highest IQ of any group related to religiosity, whereas everyone on /pol/ is intellectually stunted to put it kindly.
>>68972835
Why would they be related?
>>68972917
Muslims are more insular with higher levels of social pressure than Christians, Christians' level of low productivity (measured as unemployment) is higher than Muslims
This is the first I've heard of the polygamous marriages for Muslims, source?
>>68972674
Aside from all the religious shit. do you really like to have those pests in your country? Are you a cuck?
>>68972989
Why do atheists generalize, then get butthurt when they're generalized? >>68971802
>>68973092
The only time /pol/ might have had one or more intelligent people was when it was first created. There's no way any are left, as no one would stick around to participate in discussion with its majority user base of clinically retarded teenagers.
>>68971843
what's with the assumption that atheism is a liberal belief?
>>68973061
Well they don't get the full rights, but they get considered in some welfare benefits, but other citizens don't even have that.
>>68973072
I'm black and a 1st gen immigrant, so I'm a bit invested. That said, integration is possible, especially when the immigrants are more isolated
>>68973203
It's inbred /pol/ logic. It's an element of their NEET propaganda crusade to group certain shit together so they can buzzword it more easily.
>>68973092
They don't like admitting that atheism is in fact a religious belief. They consider themselves the 'default' human being, and get dreadfully upset when anyone suggests that their kind can be defined by certain behaviours. They don't let that stop themselves from making crass judgments about all Christians though.
>>68973061
You mean those Christian only in name British people?
>>68973273
> I'm black
you mean nigger sir. You're welcome
>>68972835
>correlation is causation
>>68973275
Liberalism is more likely in atheists and is positively correlated with level of education
>>68973357
Good post
>>68973311
>no true Scotsman
>>68970340
It will be.
>>68973361
>correlation is never causation! NEVER!
Atheism is the assertion of a Universal negative.
Man reduced to to his mind and limited reason.
Hubris.
They are fond of dirt and clay but give no value to creation.
>>68973432
>correlation is causation with no evidence of a causal link
The logical conclusion of atheism is nihilism.
Atheists are on the constant defensive as if they have something to prove. It is only what they do not admit about themselves; without an enemy they have nothing.
>>68973497
DEUS VULT
>>68973470
>le atheists are proud and nihilistic meme
k
I mean, atheism only means a lack of belief in God, anything else is a non sequitur but sure
>>68973526
THIS
>>68973526
nihilism is shite, hedonism is where its at
signed 23 year old 10th grade drop out with no tangible life experience
There is no hope or meaning in a world without transcendance.
Our lives are of no consequence in a universe without purpose.
You live a lie and call it reason yet castigate others when they live for a reason and call it faith.
>>68973548
>DEUS VULT
God wants christianity to fail? I think that makes sense actually.
>>68973526
The logical conclussion to nihilism is absurdism and hedonism
>>68970892
no it doesn't, a creation can only be defined as creation if we know it precludes a creator.
>>68973470
>>68973559
>>68973526
I would be very surprised if these are different people
>>68973548
>atheism only means a lack of belief in God
into the rabbit hole to a sheer drop.
>>68973301
>atheism is in fact a religious belief
Explain please.
>>68971839
>religiosity
what the fuck
>>68973497
>TheClash of Civilizations(COC) is a hypothesis that people's cultural and religious identitieswill be the primary source of conflict in the post-Cold War world. It was proposed by political scientist Samuel P. Huntington in a 1992 lecture[1]at the American Enterprise Institute, which was then developed in a 1993 Foreign Affairs article titled "The Clash of Civilizations?",[2]in response to his former student Francis Fukuyama's 1992 book, The End of History and the Last Man. Huntington later expanded his thesis in a 1996 bookThe Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order.
>Huntington believed that while the age of ideologyhad ended, the world had only reverted to a normal state of affairs characterized by cultural conflict. In his thesis, he argued that the primary axis of conflict in the future will be along cultural and religious lines.[6]
>As an extension, he posits that the concept of differentcivilizations, as the highest rank of cultural identity, will become increasingly useful in analyzing the potential for conflict.
>In addition, the clash of civilizations, for Huntington, represents a development of history. In the past, world history was mainly about the struggles between monarchs, nations and ideologies, such as seen within Western civilization. But after the end of the Cold War, world politics moved into a new phase, in which non-Western civilizations are no longer the exploited recipients of Western civilization but have become additional important actors joining the West to shape and move world history.[7]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations
Get ready for the nukes.
Atheists have a death wish.
The West has been shaped by Christianity, it informs every thing we hold dearly.
What will keep it secure when it is gone.
Will you worship men? Surely that sounds familiar.
>>68973709
> Huntington
Heh
>>68973676
be surprised then, retard
>>68973688
If a person doesn't believe in anything without evidence, they can't believe that God does or doesn't exist. Since there is no evidence either way, atheism must be a religious conviction rather than a logical conclusion.
>>68973275
yeah, /pol/ advocates traditionalism above else with its "going back to the roots" approach. This also includes religious beliefs which are part of a traditionalist mindset.
"oh, we're supposed to be against progressive activism which means we need to be as traditionalist as possible which also means we need to be religious because that's a traditionalist element".
What a bunch of fucking shite. People can be traditionalist without being superstitious.
>>68973752
Why did the founding Fathers appeal to God?
Because men cannot be trusted to hold the truth and keep it.
>>68972316
What about Japan? If a reducing population is such a big deal why they are keeping their hard stance on immigration?
>>68972330
>thought men should work and pursue jobs while women should be housewives
>supported Iraq war
>hates feminism
lol
>>68973787
believing that god doesn't exist and not believing that god exists are two different positions
why can't you see the distinction?
>>68970435
Except Christians are one of the few religions whose Golden Rule basically says "use your fucking judgement" but faggots like you can only follow direct instructions and believe each statement is a mandate
>>68970605
Theres a fat hate thread on /trash/. You sound like you need to let off some steam.
>>68973787
there are a lot of fucking things you don't believe in. Gnomes, unicorns, wizards...
Not believing in something is just lack of conviction due to lack of evidence.
>>68972192
cause it sounds cool
> the non contingent ground for all being (God) doesnt exist
thats precious.
>>68973866
> fenceshitters
>>68973866
They're two positions on the same topic, neither of which rely on hard evidence. They rely on belief about the nature of the world we live in.
Why can't you see the similarity?
>>68970878
Speaking of dads, what happened to yours?
>>68973893
The goldent rule is diffrent in Christianity.
In other uses it means; do unto others as you would LIKE them to do unto you. That is why people will praise their boss and spit on the poor. In Christianity, what you do for the least of us, you do for Christ.
>>68973992
>They rely on belief
Nope. One does, one doesn't.
>>68973596
>it's a b8er lacks the mental capacities to ascribe his own values to lifeand realise the marvel of reality as well as the empathy and altruism to feel good when helping others and enjoying yourself, and instead needs to be told what's impressive and why he should live episode
I hate reruns
>>68973602
He probably would have made it more logical and evidence based if he wanted it to work
>>68973526
>non sequitur
>generalisation
Good job
>>68973752
The West hasn't necessarily been shaped for the better by Christianity, Galileo, religious fundamentalism, holding back scientific research etc. Show that, and what's important is the effect it will have now andwe don't really need it because, as long as you're not a psychopath, the whole help people thing and don't be a dick is easy to do, even other animals have empathy and altruistic traits
>>68973787
There is evidence of the non existence for God in the logical and scientific fallacies of the holy books (for abrahamic gods), and logical fallacies and inconsistencies in the whole concept. Also, what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You need evidence for your positive claim to have weight
>>68973893
That's an "interpretation" that the golden rule supercedes the exact writings of the book
>>68973432
>correlation is causation because it is
>>68974023
Keep telling yourself that, Mr. Enlightened.
>>68973952
>If you don't believe that god exists you have to believe that he doesn't exist. What the hell are you doing trying to think rationally?
>>68972254
We may be losing a lot of battles but it's not completely dead. It just looks dead relative to the position it used to have in western society. Because we're so decadent and perverse.
>>68974030
>You need evidence for your positive claim to have weight
There is no such thing as a 'positive' or 'negative' theological claim. Not a difficult fact to acknowledge, but one that atheists are incapable of getting their heads around.
>>68972069
>Koran
>>68973927
>plebs on 4chan post Aquinas yet again
>as if he were in any way philosophically relevant
>as if his proofs proved anything
>as if he wasnt just an apologist for Catholic dogma
how fedorable
>>68974062
> fenceshitters
>>68973866
That's semantic.
"I believe god doesn't exist."
"I don't believe god exists."
Same damn thing. Both reject god as a concept.
>>68974044
>a lack of belief is still a kind of belief because I say so
Why do you insist on presenting a negative claim as a positive one? Is it because that's the simplest angle from which to attack non-believers?
>>68973792
Religion has a purpose, always has.
By virtue of being an Atheist, you yourself know how simple minded the masses are.
In accordance to your beliefs you know full well that Religion has a very necessary place in the world. Even if you do not believe in what's being sold, your moronic pride in your beliefs prevents you from acknowledging this.
The only smart Atheist is one that shuts up about "muh sky wizard".
>>68972069
*sniff sniff*
I smell kafir asshurt emanating from this post.
A lot of underaged in this thread.
>>68973820
They have Koreans do their shit for them
And they will open their doors if all else fails, this is the economic reality of the world today
>>68974155
N O P E
You're wrong. "I believe god doesn't exist" is a positive claim. "I don't believe god exists" is a negative claim.
>Both reject god as a concept.
Not really. The former statement rejects god as a concept, while the latter statement rejects a belief in that concept.
>>68974122
K
Are you disregarding the need for evidence and logical arguments?
>>68970270
I can't wait for this to come out on DVD so I can watch it. I love movies that so bad they're good. Hopefully this one will be as bad as the first one.
>>68974169
never said that religion wasn't necessary. I just personally don't need it.
It's a great way to unite people and make them do whatever the fuck you want them to do.
All those hours in Civ5 make that very clear. No reason to stay an atheist country if you get boni for making your people believe in some bullshit you came up with.
>>68974188
That's probably the goat shit from your last farm rape
>>68974030
No matter how many internet arguments you fight, at the end of the day the Christian is without any real fears or cares in the world. Meanwhile you wake up and fight the same pointless battle every day.
>atheism is a religious belief
>>68974030
>the marvel of reality as well as the empathy and altruism to feel good when helping others and enjoying yourself, and instead needs to be told what's impressive and why he should live episode
So everything is a selfish instic to you. What a marvel of goodness.
> holding back scientific research
and you say i make generalisations.
>>68973820
>japan
>>68974265
Pure semantics.
Both state "god does not exist in my opinion"
You are grasping at straws
>>68974133
> slander someone
> offer no counter point
Nah man, atheism gives you an argument about the opposing side, giving you purpose (telling religious people they are wrong).
The thing that takes away hope is agnosticism, people who are agnostic usually gave up on life and hold no beliefs and argue for nothing, having no purpose in life.
>>68974122
>There is no such thing as a 'positive' or 'negative' theological claim.
>>68974407
>my only purpose is to argue
That's sad.
>>68974330
Ya got me, I see how concrete your belief system is, gotta keep that evidence safeand unheard of
If I were you though, I'd be scared of believing in the wrong God. If you just assume abrahamic gods, you only have a 1/3 chance of heaven. With a modern religions, that's smaller than 1/100. With all major religions that have existed, getting towards at least 1/400
>it's a 4chan pretends to be christcucks episode
>>68974270
>thinking there can ever be 'evidence' for something otherworldly
If atheists like you are so smart, why can't you argue for toffee? Why can't you confront what other people say?
Knock and he will answer.
>>68974376
>need two hours to hunt whale
>>68974500
> atheists arent the only members of my secret club
how shocking
>>68974479
Well obviously he believed in it, he wrote 7 books about Jesus being a lion
>>68974504
I can hear the drool slurping out of your mouth and on to your keyboard.
>>68970270
Gods aren't dead yet, but thankfully they're dying out as the prevalence of education and the Internet spread.
And every Muslim that an heros, and every Christfag that doesn't vaccinate their kids, and marches off to fight and die with Jews and Arabs out in the desert, convinced this life & world doesn't matter, because they'll spend an eternity in paradise.
You're doing gods work, religitards.
>>68974364
Where did I say everything is a selfish instinct? Natural empathy (and acts according to it) and altruism are literally the opposite of selfishness
I never said that's all Christianity has done
>>68974504
There is no direct evidence, but the evidence coming from the holy book can be criticised, as well as the holy book itself, and the overall concept and its interpretations. If these are discredited, the probability of the existence of the claimed entity being too high to be dismissed is discredited
>>68974504
>bro I don't need no evidence you feel me? it's otherworldly my man
>PROVE TO ME THAT GOD DOESN'T EXIST
Christ is the answer.
>>68974652
>Christfag that doesn't vaccinate their kids
Umm, the people not vaxxing are not christfags. They're you're Califag atheists and homeschoolers.
>>68971690
clearly a wizard did it
>>68974479
>being this proud of being philosophically bereft
Screwtape letters made me realize my atheism at age 9. Way to go, Lewis.
>>68972835
>christfags
>have over 30 thousand denominations
>become more divided and complacent
>mudslimes
>still take their beliefs seriously
>become stronger and enclosed
But it's inevitable since Christianity was always the butt of Judaism and the punk of Islam.
>>68974660
In fairness, disproving every religion doesn't discredit the existence of a god like entity or entities relative to us. At best it discredits interpretations of these potential entities.
>>68974660
>Natural empathy
Is everyone born with this so called natural empathy as we see it now?
There are and were tribes that would kill their youngest or oldest offspring (the weakest) to surive harsh climate with low rations. Where was their natural empathy then? Were they wrong, maybe you would like to tell them that.
Natural empathy is a selfish instinct based on perseverance. The golden rule becomes do unto other what you would LIKE them to do unto you.
Why would you believe something for which there is not a single piece of evidence? I mean, it seems so weird to me. I'm genuinely curious.
I have plenty of christian family members, but we've by and large decided not to talk about it for the sake of avoiding vitriol.
How do you rationalize it?
>>68970270
Like 90% of America is Christian, but they aren't supposed to teach religion at school. Why? Because that shit belongs in church or Catholic schools or whatever.
In my country 30% of people are atheists but we're forced to attend religion class at school. Why? Because fuck you that's why.
The movie is so pointless, instead of whining about a teacher not being allowed to talk about jesus, they should make a movie about millions of atheists being forced to listen to jesus.
>>68974701
Umm guess again.
And have a look at the demographics of who homeschooled their kids while you're at it. And who refuses to take their kids in to see doctors or hospitals for treatment.
>>68974481
I don't think you understand how I unfazed we are when you spout these grossly ignorant "calculations".
>>68974822
You assume the tribes in question were happy to do this. The fact they did doesn't prove a lack of guilt or regret or loss.
>>68974878
> Why would you believe something for which there is not a single piece of evidence
Christ is the evidence.
>>68974884
I do. I'm sorry it hurts your feelings that you can be atheist and still be a fucking idiot.
>>68974677
Who loves cheese the most is the question.
>>68970270
Look at all the teenage-level definitions of atheism and agnosticism and theism in here.
All those underage bans needed...
>>68974913
>The fact they did doesn't prove a lack of guilt or regret or loss.
HA HA HA
And we are on our way to Gulags.
Atheism = Nihilism
>>68974878
There is actually plenty of historical evidence
Somebody took zeitgeist or religulous to be 100% fact but did no looking for themselves. Go read a fucking book.
>>68974811
That's why I said claimed entity
>>68974822
Not everyone is born with natural empathy (like psychopaths), and one example does not a counterargument make.
Also, life is cruel and brutal. There may have been no better (immediate) option. But they got through it, praise the Lord
>>68974900
No, I understand. The fact you don't need to address points or teach others is indicative of the strongest viewpoint there is, I get it.
>>68974938
But where is the evidence of Christ (as the Bible portrays him)
>>68974980
How does what you quoted imply your statement...?
>>68974986
>There is actually plenty of historical evidence
For things entirely unrelated to the question of wether or not a god exists, sure.
>>68975065
>But where is the evidence of Christ
A messianic movement which had grown so large by the end of the first century that it could not be ignored.
>>68975143
>blatant argumentum ad populum
Embarrassing
>>68974956
>They're You're Califag
They are my are califag? Cool.
>I do.
You do what?
>Idiot
Yeah.
Please familiarize your wisened self with more than your brief perception of these trends, if you're going to open your big damn mouth about them, lest you reveal your inexperience with the concepts. ...which, too fuckin late in this case.
>>68975091
That the means justify the end.
Sorry, i might have drawn too much of a conclusion from your statement. I regret posting it.
>>68975143
Which is evidence of what, exactly? It sure as hel isn't evidence for Jesus being any kind of actual messiah, much less the son of the omnipotent creator of the universe.
>>68970340
Yes, especially if Islam is just going to rape its way through western europe.
But not cucktholics, they can go continue licking the feet of refugee rapists.
>>68975182
> Christs dies around 30AD
> Movement had surged by 60AD
Yeah, it was some conspiracy and Christ never said he was the messiah.
>>68975183
>correcting grammar
>no actual rebuttal
Someone's angry.
>>68970878
except that He went to hell after dying on the cross
not to mention having to undergo the most severe physical (crucifixion) and psychological (bearing the entire weight of every sin that was or would be committed) torture ever known
>>68975226
The resurrection.
Why would people believe in a crucified man?
>>68971628
>your semetic religion is bad, my semetic religion is good
1400 years and you guys have hardly done anything to stop them
>>68971940
Islam is thriving thanks to high birthrates and strict adherence. There's no middle ground like there is with christianity.
>>68975302
There is no evidence for the resurrection. What the hell are you talking about?
>>68971054
>serious debate
>on religion
lmao
The mind of an atheist.
>>68975376
Are you implying they don't happen? Because they very much do.
>>68975207
Indeed. For although the supposed tribe did kill the weakest of it's group to survive, I merely stated that they may have felt guilt for doing so, sadness for the loss etc. I wasn't saying that I agreed with culling the weak, simply that in the example given, culling the weak didn't infer a lack of empathy.
>>68975302
Because it's nice to believe the same will happen to them
>>68975252
Are you even presenting an argument anymore?
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon
>>68975350
how would you have evidence of it, besides the several eye witness accounts of seeing him with crucifixion wounds after his death and seeing his empty tomb
before you say that the disciples were just lying, ask yourself why would fishermen from galilee lie to get people into an organization that literally had people struck dead for having money
>>68975402
None of the traits in that picture are inherent components of atheism
>>68975350
Why did the Christian movement grow so large?
Did those early christians preach of a dead man or a man who was resurrected? A man who is said to have appeared to over 400 people.
>>68975430
oh, fuck off. why did you even bring it up?
>>68975405
Debates on religion happen. They are never serious, because you simply can not reach a logical conclusion when it comes to matters of faith.
>>68975429
Yeah, I'd be crucified upside down or have my head cut off for a conspiracy too. Anything to fool atheists.
>>68975430
>The events in the bible are proven by the bible
That's circular reasoning.
