He did literally nothing wrong.
>>68837147
except for operating outside of the boundaries of the law and being a terrorist?
if the punished was muslim and brown you'd never see this go to production
It's pretty much evidence of white priviliege
>>68837315
ironic tumblr posting is still dumb
Frank show based on and or written by Ennis when?
Also an Iraq or Afghan version of Punisher Born would be a fucking sweet Netflix movie
>>68837315
Maybe the law should do its job next time instead of leaving criminals on the streets and forcing vigilantes to clean up their mess
>>68837338
This
The Punisher did literally nothing wrong at all. Eh kills criminals and doesn't afraid of anything
>>68837147
He killed that art dealer for no reason.
>>68837338
>>68837411
>>68837403
>leaving criminals on the street
Criminals are humans and t hey have rights. The due process of law is what prevents society from degenerating into despotic barbarism
People love "le epic brootal vigilante" but never stop to consider, what happens if THEY were in that position. Always put yourself in as the guilty party and see what sort of situation you would enjoy.
>>68837510
>put yourself in the guilty party
I don't care about criminals though. Punisher doesn't punish innocent people. If you break the law, the Punisher will put you down. Nothing wrong with that.
Of course it wouldn't work in real life- none of this superhero stuff would. But in theory a guy who genocides criminals is doing nothing wrong.
>>68837599
>Of course it wouldn't work in real life- none of this superhero stuff would. But in theory a guy who genocides criminals is doing nothing wrong.
We are no better than the criminals if we support him. Murder is ontologically murder, and we have to respect the rights of every individual even if they don't respect others.
We cannot be like animals anon
You guys know The Punisher is not a surface level character who literally kills scum as some kind of fascist dickhead right? It represents his disregard for society after the killing of his family. All he has is death. He must kill. He must kill everyone because of this world. He's only focusing on the criminals right now because its easier, but once all criminals are dead he will kill the rest of the world too. It's not vengeance, it's not vigilantism. It's that the world is already dead, he's just the coroner. The Punisher closes off all personal relationships because he is a cold, dead man with only one purpose, to reflect his inner pain outward. To him, killing is all that is sane. He's a good, deep character and his actions don't matter so much as what's going on in his head. Plebs leave
also all non punisher capeshit sucks and Daredevil is a terrible show minus Frank
>>68837706
so he's baiscally "XD COLDSTEEEL... MY LIFE IS SO DARK" the character?
>>68837676
Animals have a very limited sense of justice. The majority have no sense of it. Even dogs won't attack another dog out of retribution, only defense.
Of course we shouldn't base justice off people like the Punisher- what I'm saying is, in theory, if every single criminal he kills is guilty, he has done nothing wrong. Even in law, your right are invalid as soon as you infringe on another's. Our laws and rights are based on Locke's Treatises, and he says your right are invalid as soon as you infringe on others.
Again, this is all in theory. Our justice system shouldn't work that way, but if everyone he kills is guilty, then he has not done anything wrong. Unlawful, but not morally wrong.
>>68837745
No, he's got more in common with Road Warrior era Mad Max if you ask me
the wasteland represents how he views the world
a place that is dead with no one worth saving if nothing is in it for him
that said, punisher is different in that he not a mercenary
to him nothing is worth saving at all and he'll die for his cause in a heart beat
>>68837778
sometimes in the comics he kills people who i genuinely believe are so scared they would reform
sometimes he kills people who aren't doing anything that illegal
but that's just part of his character
mostly he kills total scumbags and doesn't waste his time with low level criminals and shit
>>68837510
nigga, people know the difference between right and wrong. don't excuse that shit, faggot.
>>68837147
Hope they make a Punisher mini-series.
Is the actor who played him affordable for a Netflix tv series?
>>68837676
>we have to respect the rights of every individual even if they don't respect others
This is bullshit, pacifist logic that allows criminals to run unchecked. The very notion of war involves waiving the rights of communities who do not respect your rights.
This is what the punisher does; he goes to war with law-breaking communities, and you should respect him because he understands that the very rights you attribute to individuals is what allows him to act and cut through bureaucracy to deliver justice.
Consider crime rates in genetic lines, poor environmental upbringing, bad reform rates among prisoners, repeat offenders.
The Punisher isn't an animal, he's selectively breeding society by weeding out those who don't harmonious with our society.
>>68837510
>empathize with niggers, kiddie porn dealers, and Spics who brutally torture civilians and desecrate their bodies
Nu-male liberals everyone.
>>68837861
My favorite Punisher quote is from the video game. He raids a chop shop and kills everyone there. His justification? "Carjackers are the worst"
post the pasta already
>>68837468
sensible chuckle
he killed people, kill is wrong OP you dumbass
>>68837923
>Is the actor who played him affordable for a Netflix tv series?
>Is the actor who played the punisher in a netflix tv series affordable to play the punisher in a netflix tv series?
>>68837510
>what happens if THEY were in that position
lol
I would never be in a criminal's position because I'm not a criminal. If I was, I ought to be killed.
>>68838008
>kill is wrong OP you dumbass
You aren't very intelligent
>>68837706
Except you know, he goes out of the way to not involve civilians and most versions of him would kill himself if he ever was personally responsible for a civilians death.
>>68837778
But philosphically thats incorrect
Our laws are based upon humane principles and universal rights as enshrineid in declarations like the UN declaration of human rights. Rights are INALIENABLE, which is why even when we lock people up we give them rights. As a result no-one has the right to take the life of anyone.
The act of murder is morally wrong since no human being has the right to take the life of any other human being within a society.
>>68837959
>This is bullshit, pacifist logic that allows criminals to run unchecked
Incorrect actually, violent crackdowns on crime only make stooges suffer, because people can be blackmailed into crime and the real evil ones get to be smug and rub their hands whilst others do the work. By giving law enforcement agencies such violent power, all you would do would turn the country into a police state.
The rights of a criminal are also the rights of you and me anon.
>Consider crime rates in genetic lines, poor environmental upbringing, bad reform rates among prisoners, repeat offenders.
This is Nazi eugenics-level thinking, not a moral attitude expected from a member of a liberal-democracy, which believe in the right of every person to have a second, third or fourth chance. We have no right to take lives, even if others do.
>. The very notion of war involves waiving the rights of communities who do not respect your rights.
War is different and also has rules anon.
>The Punisher isn't an animal, he's selectively breeding society by weeding out those who don't harmonious with our society.
This is very dangerous thinking
>>68837895
You actually don't unless you know the countries legal system
>>68838017
Plenty of shows have expensive guest actors who they can't really afford for long term.
I just wanted to know if that was the case for this guy.
>>68838023
Yep, the world isn't so black and white mate. I'm a cop, a lot of my informants are people who are morally good people like yourself who by circumstance or upbringing are on the wrong side of the law.
I just hope we will get more Punisher in the next season and less magic ninja shit.
>>68838052
Nigga read Punisher The End
>>68838106
Never expect a cop to pull the "Society fault, dey dindu nuffin!"
>>68838145
He kills the last of humanity which consists solely of corrupt 1% elites who are bluntly shown to be responsible for ending the world.
What's the point?
>>68838106
>I'm a cop
Sure you are
>by circumstance
Sure, circumstance makes people commit crimes, every criminal is an angel inside like Jesse Pinkman.
>>68838069
The difference is something you said yourself - we give people in prison rights. Those rights aren't inalienable. It's why some prisoners we take get tortured, depending on the administration. This doesn't change the fact that inalienable rights are revoked when you infringe on another person's- it's why self defense exists. If you're going to say that all people always have all their rights, then you are saying a person ought to go to prison for killing someone in self defense.
For this reason, the Punisher is not doing anything morally wrong. I don't support any form of real life Punisher because real people make mistakes- but in a fictional universe where he never makes a mistake and only kills those who have infringed on other people's rights, he is doing nothing wrong.
>>68837147
You're fucking A right he didn't.
>>68838242
everyone is guilty of something
>>68838246
>The difference is something you said yourself - we give people in prison rights. Those rights aren't inalienable. It's why some prisoners we take get tortured, depending on the administration.
I'm not American, I'm European. Our nation prides ourself on the fact we give all people inalienable human rights
>This doesn't change the fact that inalienable rights are revoked when you infringe on another person's- it's why self defense exists. If you're going to say that all people always have all their rights, then you are saying a person ought to go to prison for killing someone in self defense.
This is why a jury exists. However morally, he has done something wrong by taking another sentient human beings life, yes.
>For this reason, the Punisher is not doing anything morally wrong. I don't support any form of real life Punisher because real people make mistakes- but in a fictional universe where he never makes a mistake and only kills those who have infringed on other people's rights, he is doing nothing wrong.
Anon, murder is a moral wrong, regardless of who does it or for what purpose
>>68838282
If that's the case then he wouldn't give a shit about harming civilians in the cross-fire of shootouts. Which he does care about in nearly every comic he's been in.
It's the whole reason he's viewed as an anti-hero rather than full on villain.
>>68838315
>Anon, murder is a moral wrong, regardless of who does it or for what purpose
>morally, he has done something wrong by taking another sentient human beings life, yes.
Wow, you are pathetic. Seriously. There is nothing wrong with taking another person's life if they attack your or invade your property. You are the most cucked human being on the planet if you actually believe that.
>>68838315
>Anon, murder is a moral wrong, regardless of who does it or for what purpose
Different guy here, but killing someone in self-defense doesn't carry a penalty there, does it?
>>68838448
>Wow, you are pathetic. Seriously. There is nothing wrong with taking another person's life if they attack your or invade your property. You are the most cucked human being on the planet if you actually believe that.
If you start making exceptions to this rule then it becomes a loophole that can be morally exploitable.
Oh but I was doing it to save "x" or to save "y". What happens when two people, both who have lives depending on them and are forced to commit murder on the other, both are innocent, who remains "justified"?
This scenario is called war.
Now, I hope you recognize that all murder is wrong
>>68838464
Even Catholic Christfags specifically point out you can kill in self-defense of yourself or others if either are threatened with loss of life.
>>68838464
Manslaughter
>>68838502
And yet I bet you're a cuck who thinks women should be allowed to abort their kid for even petty vapid reasons like wanting to continue having a party life style.
>>68838504
no one is saying you dont kill, but it is a sin, adn even us catholics will have to penance and pray for forgiveness and repentance. Murder is wrong, period
>>68838531
Wow, seriously? You get Manslaughter there for defending yourself? That's kind of nuts on its own.
>>68838502
>Who remains justified?
The guy who was attacked/had his property invaded. It's not hard to understand. If your wife was being raped in front of you and you had a gun, you wouldn't shoot the guy?
Jesus, you're cucked. You actually think it is wrong to defend yourself. I didn't want to resort to memes like the other guys but you are the definition of a beta numale. Nearly every single philosophical and lawful school of thought disagrees with you, and for good reason. You are completely irrational.
>>68838560
That's not me, the decision rests on the jury
How did the police struggle to find out his or daredevils identities when they left so much blood lying about
>>68838585
>If your wife was being raped in front of you and you had a gun, you wouldn't shoot the guy?
I would call the authorities and tell the man to cease from his actions, then let the legal system punish him.
He shot up a Hospital and probably traumatized a bunch of terminally ill children and old people.
Some patients probably did recieve the urgent attention they needed during the shootout and could have died. There was probably at least a few people who were in mid-surgery or resuscitation,
>>68838646
There's only a DNA database for criminals. If they haven't been arrested and had their DNA taken before, they're not in the database.
>>68838588
As in, the jury weighs the circumstances and decide whether or not you were guilty of committing a crime in the process of defending yourself?
>>68838069
>>68838069
>Incorrect actually, violent crackdowns on crime only make stooges suffer,
I'm referring to capital punishment. And I only offer a fictional cost-effective fast way of doing it. If you want an example on the effects of violent crackdowns being effective, see Kowloon Walled City; Ireland during the troubles and mexico.
>By giving law enforcement agencies such violent power, all you would do would turn the country into a police state.
But i'm not giving law enforcement agencies power. I'm giving it to the Punisher, an incredibly efficient and highly successful individual. Law enforcement agencies are rife with all sorts of problems. So is putting your life in the hands of a bureaucratic system. Police have only truly existed for less than 200 years. It is far from a perfect unquestionable system, and justice does not depend on it.
>a moral attitude expected from a member of a liberal-democracy, which believe in the right of every person to have a second, third or fourth chance.
Nigga you ain't gotta be a mathematician to work out that allowing repeat offenders to ruin the lives of other people repeatedly is causes more harm than stopping it permanently. By inaction you cause more harm than action. Also consider the economy.
>War is different and also has rules anon.
So does The Punisher anon.
>>68838689
They decide whether or not your defense constituted reasonable or sufficient force.
>>68838656
>I would call the authorities and tell the man to cease from his actions
>call the authorities
>tell the man to cease from his actions
>literally has a gun and his wife is being raped
>tell the man to cease from his actions
>>68838656
>tell the man to cease from his actions
>>68838502
I have no idea what's going through your head, But all you did is help me recognize that murder isn't wrong, but necessary.
>>68838725
>>68838763
When you grow up you will realize how taking a life is a decision you cannot take lightly, and if you do you live with the regret your whole life
>>68838656
>tell the man to cease from his actions
>"p-please sir, stop raping my wife, I-I've called the police"
>>68838722
Got you, and regardless of whether or not you killed someone in defense of your life or someone else's, the jury decides if it was justified. That's reasonable.
Equating acts of war as murder is, in my opinion, an unfair comparison. War is, was, and always shall be the final diplomacy, at least until, if ever, we globally become a post-scarcity civilization.
>>68838656
>tell the man to cease from his actions
>>68838725
What would Stephen Molyneux do?
He'd probably off up his asshole to the rapist in place of his wife.
>>68838656
So you are contend with you, your wife, your two children, your dog, your next door neighbor all dead by a serial murdering rapist; Because you refused to kill someone, and instead decided to make a phone call?
>>68838805
Human life is worthless m8, the only ones I care for is family.
>>68838656
>I would call the authorities and tell the man to cease from his actions, then let the legal system punish him.
>>68838585
Not the person you're arguing with, but what's with this hard on that people have for imaginary scenarios (read: fantasies) where they're forced to kill. I realize there's always exceptions to every rule, and killing in the name of self-defense is perfectly reasonable, but why can't you or people like you accept that some people would still feel shame and guilt for it?
If anyone is acting irrational it's the person refusing to acknowledge that murder is an absolute solution to the problem of humanity, which is by any and all definitions fallible and temporary.
>>68838683
I always assumed if you've ever given blood or got them taken at hospital that you'd be in the database. Also i thought especially if you were a soldier your blood could be tracked due to ptsd, able to handle a gun, etc
>>68838868
You said being raped, not killed or mudered. I would try to restrain the person, as a last resort I would use my gun and turn myself into the police for manslaughter
>>68838870
A lot of these armchair killers here will never be faced of a situation where they have to take a life. Living with it after the fact is a whole different matter
>>68838918
I accept some people would feel guilt, taking a life is not easy on anyone, but to simply refuse to do it in self defense? That is comical.
Also
>what's with this hard on that people have for imaginary scenarios where they're forced to kill?
You're just saying
>why do there have to be actual examples or situations when we could just pretend that never happens?
They're not really fantasies when it happens every single day.
>>68838805
It's not a decision that you ponder on either. Allowing harm to occur when you could have stopped it is just another form of PTSD with added risk.
What country are you a LEO in?
>>68838958
>I would try to restrain the person
I'm the guy who originally presented the example. Now you're trying to save face by saying you would actually do something about it physically instead of letting it happen. The thing you're forgetting is that almost every rapist has a knife or weapon of their own- you can't just tackle him and hold him down. That's why I said you have a gun- it's the only real way to defend yourself and your wife. Even if he was unarmed- you seriously would let your wife suffer arguably the most traumatic thing to ever happen to any human being, and you would sit there and watch because you are against killing another person?
That is beyond pathetic.
>>68838958
I wasn't OP. But either way you've mentioned that you're content to let your wife be sexually assaulted in front of you while you wait by a phone.
This kind of thinking is what causes cases where british community support officers who can swim watch people drown because they're not qualified to save people from drowning.
>>68838918
Not the guy YOU'RE arguing with, no one's saying that murder is an absolute solution. But allowing serious harm to occur because you'd feel bad is counter-productive.
>>68839085
I would never shoot another person. I would try to restrain him.
>>68839160
I am not allowed to kill another person, nor would I even if I had the powers to do so
>>68839354
Jesus man, come on. So a guy charges you with a knife and he's going to kill you. You actually would not shoot him?
You just said you wouldn't. How pathetic.
>>68838656
This post reminds me of the story of that Sweden guy who got raped by a Somali, but felt bad that he got deported.
>>68839354
>I am not allowed to kill another person.
For religious or philosophical reasons, or is this the law where you are?
>>68838656
I screencapped in case anyone wants proof that Europeans are cuckolds.
>>68839316
>But allowing serious harm to occur because you'd feel bad is counter-productive.
Well the fact of the matter is I didn't step into that part of the argument because it's absolutely worthless. Nobody REALLY knows how they'd respond to situations like the ones proposed, not to mention that there are a million different what-ifs to consider. Also you completely missed the point of my "murder is an absolute solution" statement.
>>68839505
>Nobody REALLY knows how they'd respond
Yes, I do know how I would respond. I have a handgun, and I most definitely would shoot the man raping my wife, without a second of doubt. Not everybody is pathetic.
>>68839539
>I most definitely would shoot the man raping my wife, without a second of doubt.
What if you miss and hit her in the head?
>>68839575
>What if you miss and hit her in the head?
Spoken like somebody who has never fired a gun before.
I would simply walk up to him, place the gun near his head and fire. If he got off her when I got close, I would then just blast him numerous times in the chest and head.
It's not that hard to figure out. It's not like I'm 200 yards away.
>>68839627
Spoken like a coward who doesn't know how or flat out refuses to take responsibility for his actions. You're just some child that's watched too many Clint Eastwood movies trying to play Billy Badass on the internet. That's pathetic.
>>68839459
>>68839459
No, legally I am not. But even if I could legally, ethically I would never do such a thing
>>68839380
No, I would not shoot him
Because if I raise a gun I shoot to kill, you can't shout to wound
>>68839731
>Spoken like a coward who doesn't know how or flat out refuses to take responsibility for his actions.
If I killed a man I would take responsibility. You are the coward because apparently your pussy little mind couldn't even conceive of the idea of protecting something you love. I take full responsibility, and I don't give a shit if you think it is immoral. Someone raping my wife, I blast him. Easy choice.
>>68839758
You would literally rather be killed by criminal than protect yourself?
You have to be a troll.
>>68838008
>if you kill your enemies, they win
When does this happen?
>>68839818
>You would literally rather be killed by criminal than protect yourself?
I suggest you look up the term suicide by cop. A lot of people do this who need medical support and help
>>68839505
No. I didn't. I just phrased my sentence badly and made it seem like the two were related.
And you're right, no one really knows, but that doesn't stop it from being counter productive. Refusing to act in an emergency because you are not the justice system is apathetic. We accept shame and guilt as a form of PTSD. Refusing to act because of shame and guilt for acting isn't just absurd, it's a paradox. If you froze up in fear or shock? that makes sense and is understandable. Refusing to act, may as well be manslaughter or encouraging a crime via inaction.
>>68839904
Yes, I know what that is. I'm talking about a self defense situation. Not when you are a cop, even though that would apply too, but just imagine a civilian. You actually think it's morally right for a person to be murdered by a criminal instead of defending themselves?
Even if it is suicide by cop, so what? A guy charges at you, a bullet to the knee is not enough to take him down unless it's from a larger caliber rifle. You are forced to defend your own life in that situation. There is never anything wrong with protecting yourself when attacked.
>>68839818
>You are the coward because apparently your pussy little mind couldn't even conceive of the idea of protecting something you love.
I never said I wouldn't. I just don't act like an internet tough guy doing mental gymnastics to avoid the fact that killing or using tools made for killing is always going to play out the way my pea brain has set it up so many times.
>>68839968
Somehow I am an internet tough guy because I would defend my wife if she was raped? I take my gun to the range once a week, I am a good shot. Either way, the fact that I would attempt to defend my wife when she is raped somehow means I am an internet tough guy?
I never said
>I am a trained and ready professional killer who could protect anyone in any situation, and I have done it before.
I said if a guy was raping my wife, I'd shoot him. If you actually have practice shooting a gun, it's not difficult whatsoever.
>>68839575
>>68839731
>What if you miss and hit her in the head?
This is so absurdly unlikely it's completely irrelevant.
>>68839968
Not him but how is he being an internet tough guy? You say you would do the same thing, so how is he the internet tough guy if you think you would do the same?
So many of you people on this board are challenged. The cognitive dissonance is powerful.
>>68839966
I would not take a life, how many times do I need to repeat this?
My principles define me as a person. If I do not adhere to principles I am an animal
Murder is universally recognized as immoral
>>68840128
You're saying you are not like an animal, then use your brain and think. Animals are the ones who cannot think their way out of a paper bag- if you were as intelligent and ruled by reason as you think you are, you would know there is a difference between killing in self defense and murder.
You are embarrassing yourself. Not only would you not protect your wife if she was being raped, and not only would you let yourself be killed instead of defending yourself, you also don't even know what murder means!
Jesus dude. And you tell me to grow up?
>>68840128
>Murder is universally recognized as immoral
Adhering to principles does not stop you from being an animal.
Murder for personal gain, or without purpose is recognised as immoral. Otherwise it's a part of nature.
Are you a vegetarian too?
He didnt kill Foggy
>>68840128
>would let his wife be raped, would let a criminal kill him
>he doesn't even know the definition of murder
You are not the brightest bulb on 4chan.
>>68840178
>You're saying you are not like an animal, then use your brain and think. Animals are the ones who cannot think their way out of a paper bag- if you were as intelligent and ruled by reason as you think you are, you would know there is a difference between killing in self defense and murder.
Animals think in terms of self-preservation, actualized humans think in terms of values and principles.
Murder is murder. Dying on our physical realm of existence is not the end of existence for the self, I consider the moral sanctity of the self to be more valuable than living a longer life.
>you also don't even know what murder means!
It's killing another human being, it is as simple as that.
I intend to adhere to my moral code to the point of death
>>68840205
>Adhering to principles does not stop you from being an animal.
It does, when your actions are in service of a principle or the self-sacrifice for others, then it separates you from an animal.
>>68840308
>when your actions are in service of a principle or the self-sacrifice for others, then it separates you from an animal
These things are not unique to humanity.
>>68840382
Then it's a sad state of affairs that certain animals are more human than us right?
>>68840308
>It's killing another human being, it is as simple as that.
Murder (noun)- the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
Murder (verb)- kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.
When the entire basis of your "values and principles" is based on an incorrect definition, you might want to rethink it.
You are not morally superior to someone who defends their own life. You can say you are all you want, but you are not. In fact it's an incredibly selfish thing to do to not protect your life, especially when you have a family to feed, and people who rely on you, just because you feel like a good person if you don't defend yourself.
What you are saying is completely backwards, based on false definitions, and you are really embarrassing yourself with every word you type.
>>68840308
>It's killing another human being, it is as simple as that.
Dude. We live in an age of google. I'm not going to link every site and definition to tell you that murder and homicide are not the same thing.
>>68840488
You mean that murder/homicide is not the same as self defense.
>>68840488
I know what you are trying to say and I'm glad you're pointing out his stupidity, but don't criticize him for not using google when this is literally what you get when you google the definition of homicide. You mean the difference between defending your life and murder.
>>68840420
>Then it's a sad state of affairs that certain animals are more human than us right?
It's sad, but not negative. The virtue of humanity is not what make's humanity special.
>>68840041
>>68840063
>>68840075
Protecting someone from danger doesn't instantly mean murder to me. Killing someone is a flat-bottom absolute. There's no do over. A gun is tool. For killing. I would have a hell of a time ever aiming it at a person, even if they were raping my child. That sounds cowardly, yes, but I would most assuredly want them dead. No question. The problem is this, I don't trust a gun with the life of my child. That's why I personally don't own one. Talk all you want about your deluded infallibility when you're holding one in your hands, but to me the chance that whether it's some absurd chain of events that puts it in the child's hands, or somehow me being forced to use it near them for their own protection, I don't trust that the universe is going to work out so perfectly in my favor that I'm willing to risk the possibility of the life being ended being someone I care about. I don't want to kill anyone. God willing I never will. I just can't see how some people are so willing to put themselves into even these hypotheticals.
>>68840561
>>68840522
Homicide is an umbrella term tho'.
>>68840658
I agree, you are right, if a person kills another person no matter the situation the death certificate says homicide, but I'm just saying don't tell him to use google when the definition on google goes against what you say.
>>68840448
There is no such thing as moral killing unfortunately.
>>68838656
>I would call the authorities and tell the man to cease from his actions
You'd just sit there and watch your wife get raped while waiting patiently for the police.
>S-sir please desist. What you're doing is illegal.
ahahaha fucking faggot
