>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/episode-viii-director-rian-johnson-887751
>The director expounded upon something that has been bugging fans since they met the villainous Kylo Ren: Why did he turn on his Master?
>"Actually, we won't be exploring that part of the story. Ben's story starts and ends with this trilogy. I don't remember seeing Star Wars on opening day and talking to my friends about what Obi-wan, Darth Vader, or any of the other characters were doing 10 years ago. I didn't care. As far as I'm concerned, Rey's vision in JJ's movie will be your one peek at what happened. I am only concerned with moving the story forward."
>"So fans will just have to wonder?"
>"Since when is wonder a bad thing? I encourage fans to fill in the gaps we leave with their own stories and experiences. That's how good storytelling works. That's how you hook the fans."
Your thoughts.
are you fucking me?
>>68787104
They're right?
>>68787104
tl;dr: disney\lucasfil\abrams have no good compelling reason for kylo to have turned dark so they're just gonna gloss over it and hope it works like not knowing darth vader's motivations did
>>68787104
based rian
he isnt saying there wont be flashbacks or even knights of ren stuff just that he wont spoonfeed like nolan
>>68787104
>Ben's story starts and ends with this trilogy.
Thanks for letting us know Kylo Ren dies in Episode 9
Smart move.
It would be impossible to show how Leia, Han, & Luke all failed and helped create Darth Vader 2.0.
JJ fucked up the only characters fans cared to see in The Force Awakens and no amount of damage control can fix it. So don't even try.
>>68787177
>implying they won't reveal it in a random issue of the shitty TOTALLY CANON YOU GUYS Marvel Star Wars comics.
>>68787104
How typical for a "JJ" vision
>>68787177
mate he decided to kill han, he just wants to be powerful like vader and important
>>68787104
BASED Rian
Holy shit this might actually turn out to be decent.
>>68787104
Good. The fastest way to ruin a villain is by exploring their history.
See: Skywalker, Anakin. Further reading: Myers, Michael.
>>68787104
As long as this guy joins the Knights of Ren, I'm down for anything.
Fools! Only fools thought that Kylo Ren would be a real character!!!
The kill death of Han Solo is the reverse Vader-Luke! 3rd part of trilogy happening in 1st part. In other words...Kylro Ren will decrease as a character and become as comically evil as Vader in the very first movie. He's made himself irredeemable, not like Anakin who is tricked manipulated and coerced, but by his own volition. His internal conflict is based in evil, not good. That's one of best parts of TFA actually, in Kylo Ren's arc. How, he views the Light Side as the corruption - the cal of the Light Side, the seduction of the Light Side. That's interesting to examine the mentality of a person committed to 'evil' as struggling with 'good'. There's no point to revealing how Kylro Ren fell to Snoke's control.
>>68787104
It seems like the rey character was supposed to be Ben and kylo ren was an original character.
They're going to do another prequel trilogy.
>>68787298
This, I don't get why so many people want a needless backstory. Did everyone forget about the prequels?
>>68787104
>Ben's story starts and ends with this trilogy.
whoa, thanks faggot
Don't care, the story and characters in TFA were not engaging enough for me to care about them.
>>68787403
Autism. That's why they need it spelled out.
>>68787223
kek
>>68787298
But Vaders backstory IS important. The fact that Anakin stil existed in that suit was what defeated the Emporer.Obi Wan and Yoda, they both mention Anakins past.
I'm not saying we need three films to show how Ren fell but at least some exposition on why he fell would add some fucking depth
FOR GREAT WONDER
>implying we're not getting Star Wars episodes 6.3, 6.5 and 6.7 in 20 years to explain
>>68787403
Because it's a sequel trilogy. People wanted to know what happened after RotJ, but we didn't get that, because Disney wanted a soft reboot.
The fact that people will blow a gasket over this is the reason why casuals are dead to me.
Casuals want answers for everything, backstories to be explicitly stated, and dialogue to be completely taken at face value.
Modern cinematography should not pander to what casuals want. There needs to be room for poetics and implicitness. Not everything must be addressed. Casuals rely too much on YouTube videos made by film analysts for the meanings, which kills the art of figuring it out on one's own. There's a reason why videos such as "ALL EASTER EGGS IN [MOVIE] EXPLAINED". It's because casuals do not have an eye for the implicit and the subtle.
Without these breakdown videos, casuals would simply stammer and throw tantrums, stating things like how certain things not being explained explicitly is somehow a "plot hole".
Kylo Ren's backstory does not need to be explicitly explained. We don't need to know what was his favorite toy growing up, we just need to know that he's reluctantly on the dark side in his quest for personal power.
>>68787393
if they're too old now, they'll be dead then
>>68787403
>needless backstory
>explaining why the villain wants to kill Luke
k
>>68787403
The thing is fans care about the creators of Kylo Ren: Han, Luke, and Leia. Fans last saw these heroes celebrating the defeat of Darth Vader and the Emperor. How could they all have forgotten their own past and let it all happen again? With another member of their family no less.
Its too much for suspension of disbelief. Even in a universe of space wizards and faster than lightspeed travel.
>>68787403
the prequels were good, the acting and the CGI was bad in some places, but at least they are 10times better than TFA
>>68787104
>Rey's vision in JJ's movie will be your one peek at what happened.
what vision?
>>68787589
>Modern cinematography should not pander to what casuals want. There needs to be room for poetics and implicitness. Not everything must be addressed.
Jesus Christ, this is a summer blockbuster flick written by Disney's marketing department, not Oscar bait.
Episode 8 has me worried as fuck that it will be 2.5 hours of Dexter Jexter shit.
The cast saying it isnt like a Star Wars movie, the photos of asians in 3 piece suits......Episode 8 could really be horrible
>>68787610
uh....
>>68787589
casuals don't give a shit about anything tho. That explains how a rehash of ANH made bank
>>68787610
the one that was silence in your head
>>68787515
Vaders backstory was not important to the OT at all. All we needed to know is that he was a good guy who turned evil and was ultimately redeemed by the.love for his son. Just like all we need to know about Kylo ren is that he was a depressed kid who started imitating Vader to feel more intimidating and powerful. We dont need it spelled out explicitly through flashbacks that he was lonely at the academy
All the bullshit about sand and I WONT LET YOU DIE IN CHILDBIRTH just cheapened Vader.
>>68787608
Not this tiresome meme, TFA took too much from ANH and Rey was too one dimensional but it was a competently made blockbuster. The only competent thing in the prequels is the CGI and that shit is aging like milk.
>>68787104
i can't find any of those quotes in that link
are you just trolling?
>>68787515
This.
We know that Kylo was Han and Leia's son, and something went wrong. Knowing whether he was seduced, whether he chose willingly, or something else, would tell so much about his character. As it stands, we know that his background is very important but we don't know what it is.
I think the easiest way would be to give Rey another set of images. Maybe she stumbled upon the abandoned temple and she touched the stone and saw shots of Kylo killing people, interspersed with his terrified face.
>>68787636
>Dexter Jexter shit.
Dexter Jexter was an ex militar or something that retired and opened a 50s style soda in space, I would take his history over Kylo's or Rey's
>>68787660
I thought that was a Vietnam flashback
>>68787550
>People wanted to know what happened after RotJ
But why? Why do you care so much about fiction? Writers only make back stories it as a vehicle for the movie and the characters. None of it matters. What matters is the humanity and the entertainment.
Oh it's clear now, millennials have evolved to derive pleasure from mindless trivia and artificial lore.
For them, the most important things are outside the movie.
>muh lore
>muh cinematic trailers
>muh box office
>muh sfx
>muh star drama
And the actual movie was forgotten in 3 months.
>>68787716
>but it was a competently made blockbuster.
Star Wars is meant to be more than just a blockbuster, is meant to be on the level of Lord of the Rings.
that movie was Indiana Jones 4 at best
>>68787104
Oh gee thanks for the glaring plothole dickhead
>>68787716
The Clones would have been 3X better in the prequels if they used real costumes. They look pretty crappy now.
>>68787634
youre an idiot they gave rian the freedom to write it bc they actually know they have to change it up
>>68787716
holy shit, that looks so terrible
some uncanny valley shit
>>68787728
>I think the easiest way would be to give Rey another set of images.
that lazy writing is so fucking lame.
who cares about storytelling, just have her touch something and we get a bunch of pics and that's it! plot development!
>>68787715
>All we needed to know is that he was a good guy who turned evil and was ultimately redeemed by the.love for his son.
...which is what we saw in the OT, and it was all that we saw in the OT for his backstory. Which do not include the bullshit in the prequels. Which is what anon was saying.
Do you read?
>>68787826
Finally someone who fucking gets it
>>68787838
Star wars was never about autistic worldbuilding and making up fake languages
>>68787838
>Star Wars is meant to be more than just a blockbuster, is meant to be on the level of Lord of the Rings.
The prequels kinda ruined all of that.
>that movie was Indiana Jones 4 at best
Indiana Jones 4 and TFA are both better than the prequels.
>>68787104
fuck...fuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI6VXlNRrI0ck...FUCK..... WTF
>>68787223
Hm, you are probably right even.
>>68787826
ANH managed to give the viewer enough backstory to care though.
>>68787870
top kek m8, Rian has no real power over the story of the movies
>>68787798
>it ain't me plays
>>68787721
Ya, wait wtf is going on
>>68787826
>Why do you care so much about fiction?
STAR WARS FAAAAAAANS!!!!
idiot
>>68787879
The OT had Obi-Wan appear as a guiding ghost a few times wherein he gave Luke explicit answers to his questions or pointed him in the right direction, so it's hardly outside the norm for Star Wars.
>nobody checking the link
Fucking typical.
I see not a single one of you read the article.
boy jj sure is good at creating questions he has no answers to
>>68787909
Oh yeah youre one of those fags who thinks the officer meeting was about MUH WORLDBUILDING and not as a means of developing vader and moving the plot forward
What makes ANH so good is that there isnt a single usless scene. The editors cut out the autistic conversations about imperial collectivization of moisture farms because they knew that shit didnt matter
>>68787104
seems like he's saying "yea, i don't get it either so i'm just gonna ignore it" in the way that is least likely to get him fired
Good. We didn't fucking need to know vaders back story, either
>>68787104
FUCKING RUSED
THANKS BASED OP
>>68787826
>>68787886
>just turn your brain off
thanks for the input guys
>>68787909
Why you should care about a characters based on their backstory?
You know within 5 seconds of watching them struggle against the hurdles to know whether you care about them or not.
I don't care why Darth Vader became Darth Vader.
It has zero relation to the enjoyment derived from the film.
>>68787886
yes it was, the prequels were like that and both trilogies had weird alien languages, I don't know what does that have to do with anything but they did
difference being that a lot of the world building was made by VISUALS alone, like you have to stop and think about the things going on the screen.
>>68787826
>But why?
Because people were invested in the OT and its characters. I get why Disney went with it, it's good business. But these movies are built on a foundation, and they chose to circumvent it in order to maximize demographic appeal. Seeing an essentially zero-sum reboot carbon copy rather than a spiritual sequel is cheap and disappointing.
>Oh it's clear now, millennials have evolved to derive pleasure from mindless trivia and artificial lore.
Fantastic strawman, fight that windmill brother.
>>68787929
>>68787939
>tfw /tv/ is the dumbest board
If someone tried to pull this shit on /lit/ it would be debunked within 10 posts.
>>68787888
Indiana Jones and the prequels are both better than TFA is what you meant to type
>>68787985
>>68787960
why are you so eager to defend your shitty Disney flick?
>>68787986
>the prequels were like that
>using this as an argument
Kys
>>68787104
>Ben's story starts and ends with this trilogy.
thanks for the spoiler you goddamn retard
>>68788024
No, that isn't what I meant to type. TFA is nowhere near as bad as the prequels.
>>68787978
It's actually the opposite. Millenials need to be told everything. They need to know every dumb specific detail of every minor character so that they can show off in "nerd" discussion on twitter.
>>68787926
How about Vader doing the very same thing with Kylo?
'' I will finish what you started!! I want to be like you!!!''
No, wait, that would make sense and would involve gaving a shit about the Star Wars lore because Vader would tell him in like 5 minutes that he left the Dark Side.
Even Luke and Han and Leia could have told him but fuck that! it would have made too much sense!
>>68787240
either comics, vidya or animated material, or with later movies
way later
>>68788087
you're talking out of your ass desu
>>68788031
>liking the force awakens
>>68788087
>Joh Yowza
>>68788102
Kylo is to Ben what Vader is to Anakin: his superior.
Kylo wants to be Vader. He does not want to be Anakin. Anakin was a weakling, was a failure. Kylo will finish what Vader started, not what Anakin finished.
>>68788079
its worse than the prequels.
you can't even call it a good movie because most of the plot is a re-do of Episode 4.
Even most of the dialogues and shots are references to the old movies
The prequels had original stories each time, that makes them better by default.
>>68787359
Ithano has no time for small fry
>>68788102
>>Even Luke and Han and Leia could have told him but fuck that! it would have made too much sense!
It's almost like movies are about conflict and not characters simply exchanging lore facts.
full plot has already leaked, no need to debate, just need to prepare. case closed
>>68788087
>my brain dont work good and neither should yours
its natural to be curious about motivations and reasons. its natural to want to know why something is happening. getting angry and confused as to why people want to know more about movie characters literally means you have autism. you just cannot comprehend natural human emotions besides anger and hunger
>>68788190
>Kylo wants to be Vader. He does not want to be Anakin.
that's you making shit out, the movie never explained that... or anything and according to this article they don't plan to
worse than the prequels
>>68787716
>Fisto not even looking at the clone in front of him
Nobody actually checked the source, it's complete bullshit.
>>68788122
>>68788182
Way to not bother clicking OP's link. Chris, this board is terminally stupid.
>>68788230
>It's almost like movies are about conflict and not characters simply exchanging lore facts.
Not an excuse to have plot holes, specially on a movie that is literally called The Lore/Force Awakens while ignoring everything about how the lore/force works
Kylo was seduced by the dark side (like Vader), got it thanks lets move on with the movie.
But haters gonna hate.
leia point blank fucking said snoke was responsible for what happened to kylo, han even implies that luke was not powerful enough to stop him what more do you need?
>>68788260
But you're literally agreeing with me.
It's all about the characters. You can grasp their wants and needs in the first act the movie (If it is well written). Lore is meaningless.
>>68787914
>not "it ain't sheev"
>it's a nobody checks the source episode
>>68788213
>implying Star Wars has ever been original
A New Hope stole a lot from The Hidden Fortress, The Phantom Menace stole a lot from A New Hope.
>all these people still falling for the op
thanks for getting more hyped for Bloodlines though.
>>68788163
You understand that in any setting besides the contrarian hugbox that is /tv/, saying that you prefer the prequels to TFA will get you mocked and most likely called a retard? Even normies know the prequels sucked and TFA was great
>>68788213
>the prequels were original!
How the fuck are people this retarded?
>>>68788122
>>>68788182
They deleted the fucking memes lmao
>>68788417
>it's a /tv/ is retarded episode
Oh wait, that's every fucking episode.
WHERE ARE THE TWI'LEKS?
>>68788342
>You can grasp their wants and needs in the first act the movie (If it is well written). Lore is meaningless.
it wasn't well written.
and the movie is literally talking about the lore in its title, how is that not important??
>>68787366
>good guys are actually bad guys from his point of view
woah
>>68788433
grasping at straws when running out of arguments, nice
>>68788473
>It's a I'm retarded episode
HA
>>68788496
>and the movie is literally talking about the lore in its title, how is that not important??
Oh wait youre one of those retards that wants the force explained to them instead of it being a means of serving the characters and reflecting their philosophy. You probably like midichlorians
>>68788433
grasping at straws when running out of arguments, nice
>>68788441
I disagree, /tv/ seems to like the prequels better now that they saw that TFA was shit.
Hell, a TON of people have been apologising to the prequels ans Lucas since that shit opened
>>68788489
yes, TFA was a pile of shit
Isnt it obvious? He was just a weak faggot who wanted to be as powerful as grandpa.
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It's fake guys
>>68788578
>Oh wait youre one of those retards that wants the force explained to them instead of it being a means of serving the characters and reflecting their philosophy. You probably like midichlorians
you are one of those retards that doesn't care about good writing and attention to detail.
You probably like Poe Dameron, best character ever!
>>68788529
Do you have a real counterargument?
>>68787104
translation: I have no idea why Kylo Ren turned to the dark side.
>>68788624
Translation: I didn't click the link.
>>68788584
>/tv/ seems to like the prequels better now that they saw that TFA was shit.
>outside the contrarian hugbox that is /tv/
Can you not read, retard? But yeah sure the critics and millions of people who loved the movie are all paid disney shills right
>Kylo Ren turns to the light
>Rey to the dark
pottery
>>68788529
>>68788584
Nice samefagging.
>>68788617
you don't have a real counterargument so you go ''Star Wars was ripping off a japanese film!!''
They just used some story elements and shots from that one movie while creating their own lore and plot line.
TFA was so shit that all they did was make almost the SAME movie in the SAME movie series withe the SAME dialogues and the SAME climax
>>68788676
I could see it.
>>68788658
>millions of people who loved the movie
only normies liked the movie.
Type ''force awakens review'' on youtube and most of the comments on any video are negative about TFA.
The positive ones? ''It was a lot of FUN!''
>>68787104
>"Since when is wonder a bad thing? I encourage fans to fill in the gaps we leave with their own stories and experiences. That's how good storytelling works. That's how you hook the fans."
>"Fill in the gaps so we don't have to copy Jacen's backstory from the EU like we did everything else in our shit trilogy"
>>68788616
>you are one of those retards that doesn't care about good writing and attention to detail.
>says the prequelfag
Im sure TFA would have been better served with another 20 minutes of autistic "worldbuilding" exposition that explained the political landscape of the galaxy in senate hearings
Poe Dameron has more personality and charisma than anyone in the prequels
>>68788723
This woman randomly jumps between kinda strange looking and absolutely adorable. What is her deal?
>>68787104
Except every major character in the OT had their entire backstory explained within 5 years of ANH being released, and even the minor characters were covered by the decade.
Does this guy not know that before Return of the Jedi was even out, there was already EU shit out the ass?
>>68788676
god damn she looks sexy as fuck as a sith
>>68788683
oh no! someone replied to two different posts in the same thread!!!!! stupid retard.
>>68788695
Did you not read the "The Phantom Menace stole a lot from A New Hope" part of my post?
>>68788695
>SAME climax
Funny i dont remember two of the heroes fighting the villain in a snowy forest in ANH
>>68788787
It's that fucking great hair style. Not this pulled back bullshit.
>>68788676
Reminder that Rey will have conflicted thoughts about certain unattractive person.
>>68788751
>comments on the video
So, only Normie's make YouTube videos?
Even that animal fucker dude and pissed Pablo? They're Normie's?
>>68788764
>Im sure TFA would have been better served with another 20 minutes of autistic "worldbuilding" exposition that explained the political landscape of the galaxy in senate hearings
Imagine, having plot development, what kind of noob wants that?
>>68788764
>Poe Dameron has more personality and charisma than anyone in the prequels
Tell me about Poe Dameron, what's his story all about?
Oh wait, he didn't got character development, just quips.
Is this a marvel film?
Watto was more memorable thatn Poe and more developed too
>>68788836
Lukily for us, it's been confirmed she'll have her hair down now in VIII.
>>68788794
Don't deny it, faggot. You posted the exact same sentence in both posts. It's some of the most blatant samefagging I've ever seen.
>>68788770
i think the real problem is what is YOUR deal anon
>>68788676
Holy shit that looks pretty sick. I like how cool Kylo looks. It's like a mix between RotS Anakin and ESB Han Solo.
I hope it's real.
>>68788798
yes and I don't see it at all, besides having some of the story take place on a desert
inbefore '' New Hope ended with the destruction of the Death Star, Phantom Menace had some space station that had a round part, same climax!!!''
a conscious design move leave "strong" story hooks for later to draw audience to other material
if this is true, it's expected there's more this type of shit planned out
>buy this vidya and find out what happened to this and that, buy the game and its sequel and all the dlc now
>>68787826
I think you understand... In an RPG, characters don't dump a whole lot of lore on you, they each give you a small particular view which helps to make up the whole picture.
That helps to create a myth around a character like Darth Vader, Darth Ren, or General Hux...
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>>68787104
>http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/episode-viii-director-rian-johnson-887751
Nice thread OP. You memed us good.
>>68787826
top fuicking post
saved
>>68788676
>Darkside Rey
BLACKED
>>68788890
>Imagine, having plot development, what kind of noob wants that?
AUTISTIC WORLDBUILDING ISNT PLOT DEVELOPMENT. STAR WARS ISNT A DOCUMENTARY. THE SETTING SERVES THE CHARACTERS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
>>68788967
>quotes various posts that call OP out on his bullshit
>>68789004
I quoted everyone nigger
>>68788953
You're so fucking stupid it hurts. So The Phantom Menace climaxing with the destruction of a space station isn't ripping off ANH but The Force Awakens climaxing with a lightsaber duel is ripping off ANH? That doesn't make any sense.
>>68788994
>that gif
What did he mean by this?
>>68788809
>Funny i dont remember two of the heroes fighting the villain in a snowy forest in ANH
the movie was about the star kille base as the new big thread, don't play retard
and even that fight was shit on a visual level and storywise too
>how come that finn can't defeat Kylo if he is wounded???
>Because he is really strong! you can tell that he is just playing with him!
>How come that Rey defeated a trained Jedi/Sith??
>Because he was hurt!!! you can tell that he was hurting during the whole fight!
>>68789017
no you moron, TFA ripping off the DeathStar climax was it!
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>>68789012
I just wanted to remind everyone how the EU was de-canonized so that Disney could rip a new trilogy out if it and tout it as new and original Star Wars.
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>>68788441
Normies don't know anything except what they're are taught to think
>>68789043
>movie was about the star kille base as the new big thread, don't play retard
The actual battle to destroy starkiller was less than 3 minutes in the movie. The real focus is in the characters on the ground
>powerlevel wanking
Oh fuck off. You complain TFA rips off ANH and then complain Kylo Ren isnt like Vader and isnt a badass
>>68788967
>Newsprint Novels
Disney can't make an animated Star Wars anime...?
>>68789043
This is just autistic nitpicking. Finn was unable to defeat Kylo because he's an amateur who doesn't know how to properly use a lightsaber, Rey was able to beat Kylo because she had some previous experience with that type of weaponry and she had the force.
>>68789012
>nigger
ay lmao
>>68788165
>swn nibble your earlobe
;_;
>>68789075
>implying the climax of TFA was the starkiller base explosion
The climax was the lightsaber duel and you know it.
>>68787104
It'll be explained in some fucking "novel" by a hack "author" who, surprisingly enough, will care about the Star Wars universe and its characters more than the people making these movies.
This trilogy is nothing more than a calculated corporate cash-grab.
>>68789217
Based Sheev of Wisdom speaks the truth.
>>68789217
/tv/'s stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Does anyone here EVER click on links?
>>68789088
This tbqh desu
>>68788967
thanks for replying to every post
>>68789133
>The actual battle to destroy starkiller was less than 3 minutes in the movie.
that's how you can tell that the movie was shit.
>Original Death Star
>It takes a ton of sceentime to destroy it because we are talking about something the size of a moon!
>Star Killer Base, 10 times bigger, technolgy more advanced!
>It takes even less time and casualties to destroy a base the size of a PLANET
>Oh fuck off. You complain TFA rips off ANH and then complain Kylo Ren isnt like Vader and isnt a badass
No you moron, I'm complaining about inconsistent the movie is even on the same scene.
He got shot in the chest and was laughing off about 5 minutes later but when the plot demanded it, he was in pain.
>>68789217
>This trilogy is nothing more than a calculated corporate cash-grab
And the prequels werent? Oh wait, you bought into the meme that George Lucas is an auteur because he was autistic and got mad people held his retardation in check during the OT
>>68789088
>>68789257
To be fair, the EU was 90% shit. The 10% that was salvageable wasn't good enough to redeem the massive mountain of shit.
>>68788723
>ywn be that burger
;_;
>>68789168
everything about this post is wrong.
1- Finn is a stormtropper, he has been training to be one since he was a child and you got to see him use a lightsaber and being ok at it in the same movie.
2- Rey had LESS experience than him, that staff shit is not the same.
3- She won because she was a mary sue, everything that she tried to do always worked.
4- That's not how the force works
>>68789335
>>68789212
>The climax was the lightsaber duel and you know it.
no way, that fight was so shitty that there is no way that it was meant to be the climax.
which happened first????
>>68789284
>The prequels were a continuation of the Star Wars saga by the man who initially created it.
>He had plenty of money from the OT, he didn't need more. He thought that there were more stories in his world that needed telling.
Even if he told those stories poorly, to me, those reasons are enough to justify their existence, and make them more redeemable than the NT.
>>68789363
>>68789363
awww shyeeet, niggerdance yo
>>68789363
>>68789393
so
freaking
CUUUUUUUUUUUTE
>>68789283
>the amount of time focused on the superweapon plot device shoud be based on how big it is, not how it serves the plot!
Oh fuck off, mate. The starkiller base only was setting the stage to get all the characters together for the climax. If they spent the whole climax on destroying starkiller it would have been even more of a rip off
>He got shot in the chest and was laughing off about 5 minutes later but when the plot demanded it, he was in pain.
Finn doesnt have the force, rey did. The important thing is that kylo was losing his shit after killing his dad and rey accepted the Force. The wound was just there to visualize Ren not being in top form for power level wanking fags like you who are too dumb to understand character but i guess that wasnt enough
>>68789284
like it or not, those movies were really dense, there was a lot going on in every shot, meaning that Lucas gave his all making those films.
TFA felt like a movie made by a group of old white rich guys, focus groups and feminists
Any one notice the moves she's doing are almost the same ones Kylo used on Finn? Minus that jump at the end of course.
>its a sequels thread...
>>68789435
>density=quality
>Implying prequels didnt appeal to focus groups when jar jar was made with the sole intent of appealing to children
And george being the "creator" of star wars is a meme
>>68789353
>1- Finn is a stormtropper, he has been training to be one since he was a child and you got to see him use a lightsaber and being ok at it in the same movie.
This is actually wrong, while he is a Stormtrooper there's no evidence in the movie to support he's proficient with any melee weapon. In fact, the battle on Takodana proves that he doesn't know how to use a melee weapon considering how sloppy he is with a lightsaber.
>>68789475
>swn beat you up and fucc your boihole with her training sword
;_;
>>68789353
>Finn is a stormtropper
So? I highly doubt they're taught how to use lightsabers.
>you got to see him use a lightsaber and being ok at it in the same movie.
He was just okay, not good.
>that staff shit is not the same.
It's similar enough.
>That's not how the force works
Did you not watch the other Star Wars movies? There are tons of instances of the force giving people superhuman abilities.
>>68789430
>Finn doesnt have the force, rey did
having the force doesn't make you good at fighting, let alone when you never believed in that shit 3 days before
TRAINING is fucking important! Even Yoda said that Anakin would not be a treat to the jedis without training.
And they literally used took the biggest treat on the Star Wars universe and said '' we are going to fight it again but 10 times bigger!!!''
and it was 10 times easier, lazy writing at its finest.
like what was the point then if its going to take even less screentime and casualties to destroy it?
>>68789475
I'd imagine it's not actually shit you'll see in the film. That jump at the end just looks like a playful thing.
>>68789504
>>Implying prequels didnt appeal to focus groups
they didn't use them, tons of movies don't use them, only mainstream crap does
>>68789542
>>Finn is a stormtropper
>So? I highly doubt they're taught how to use lightsabers.
they literally had weapons to counter light sabers.
>That's not how the force works
Did you not watch the other Star Wars movies? There are tons of instances of the force giving people superhuman abilities.
To trained Jedis, when Luke was a Rookie all he did was using the force to ''feel'' a shoot.
And again, just knowing about the force doesn't make you a good fighter instantly
>>68787104
I remember when I first saw episode four before I knew Vader was Luke's father I wondered what him and Ben were like when they were bad ass Jedi's.
>>68789549
>having the force doesn't make you good at fighting, let alone when you never believed in that shit 3 days before
>TRAINING is fucking important! Even Yoda said that Anakin would not be a treat to the jedis without training.
Stop using the fucking prequels as evidence you fucking moron. Luke was a novice in ESB spent two weeks with Yoda and was suddenly a full fledged jedi in ROTJ. That you need 20 years of literal yoda school was fucking stupid. And you just cant seem to reconcile what you think the character of Kylo ren represents with what he actually is. Hes an untestes untrained loser who was in the middle of a breakdown
Im sorry phantom menace was your first star wars and thats what you think the series should be
>>68789627
>they literally had weapons to counter light sabers.
Literally only one stormtrooper used a weapon that countered them.
>its a DISNEYCO has been overrun by Goldman Sachs executives and their extended family episode
>>68787240
This is how it's going to be now. Disney is going to make sure that you have to buy shitloads of ancillary material to get the full story.
>>68789669
my point still stands.
They were also trained in hand to hand combat
>>68789672
>implying George didn't do the same shit
Did you completely forget that almost every villain in the prequels was extremely underdeveloped? Plus we barely got to see Obi-Wan and Anakin have adventures together.
>>68789363
Jedi rocks 2: electric boogaloo
>>68789672
That's how Star Wars has been ever since the prequels.
you are such a faggot op, the plot already leaked
here it is:
Working title is "Echoes of the Dark Side"
It's divided into three equally important plot threads that don't converge until the third act: Rey's, Finn's, and Kylo's.
There's not nearly as much action as TFA in the first two acts, but the third act goes full-on crazy.
The broad structure isn't as similar to ESB as TFA was to ANH, but the parallels are still present. Rey is training in the ways of the Force with an old Jedi master (Luke) on a wild planet while Finn and Poe are in a beautiful city that has a shady, sinister underpinning. Finn and Poe are betrayed and captured by Kylo Ren who uses them as bait to draw Rey out of hiding so Kylo and Rey can have a duel in an industrial portion of the city.
The backstory to Luke and his Jedi being wiped out is that Snoke seduced Kylo and a few of the other students to the dark side and tasked them with killing everyone. Luke and a few others survived, including a young Rey who was subsequently dumped on Jakku by Luke.
Rey's mom died in the attack.
Rey is pissed at Luke because she guesses that he was her father and is angry at him for abandoning her. Luke turns to her and says "No, you are my father."
Rey is the reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker. Luke went to the first Jedi temple to better understand how the process works. He learned that the spirit of the chosen one is reincarnated by the Force every time the universe is thrown out of balance, which apparently happens on a semi-regular basis (Anakin was hardly the first time the chosen one reincarnated). This is why she's so crazy powerful with the Force (remember that Anakin blew up the Trade Federation donut ship by himself when he was like 8 years old).
Rey was the product of a virgin birth, but midichlorians aren't mentioned (Luke says "you are a child of the Force").
>>68788723
Who else thought she was taking a shit at first?
>>68789901
Luke is hesitant to train her because, according to Jedi history, the chosen one always struggles with staying on the light side of the Force because of the chaotic power running through them. He's afraid that she could become Vader 2.0. If he trains her to fight Kylo, and she turns dark, she would do way more damage to the galaxy than Kylo could ever dream of doing.
He ultimately trains her anyway and leaves everything up to the Force. He makes this decision in a scene where he confers with the ghosts of Obi-Wan and Yoda (Ewan MacGregor and Frank Oz come back).
Rey learns lightsaber skills, Force skills, and has a vision quest thing where she talks with Maz Kanata (unsure if it’s telepathy or just a dream) and Hayden Christenson. The latter tells her that she is him, but different, and there’s a quick scene where we see hundreds of other Force ghosts who are implied to be past chosen ones.
Rey feels Finn's distress elsewhere in the galaxy and says she needs to go to him. Luke tells her about the time he felt his friends in distress and Yoda told him to stay and finish his training, and his disobedience led to pain. But then he says he isn't Yoda, and has his own way of doing things, and tags along with her to go help.
Finn wakes up on a Resistance cruiser and is told by Poe that they're already en route to the makeshift Republic homeworld in the wake of the capital planet being blown up by Starkiller Base.
>>68789901
>people still post this baseless reddit rumor when the new book already debunked it
>>68789935
Leia wants to lobby them to go to war.
The Republic is being led by an interim dictator named Lord Vikram (Benicio Del Toro), who was quickly put into power by the few senators still around to maintain order.
Starkiller's destruction of the Republic core worlds caused a galactic communications disruption because everything was routed through those worlds, so Vikram is trying to reestablish contact and ensure the Republic doesn't collapse into anarchy.
Leia and Vikram butt heads. Vikram agrees that the Republic has to go to war with the First Order, but wants to wait for communications to come back online so they can muster up a sizable force (all they have right now is a single small fleet). Leia disagrees, and wants to take the war to the First Order now while Snoke is still reeling from Starkiller's destruction. She says both sides are in chaos, which makes this an opportune time to strike. Vikram counters by telling her she's letting her personal emotions over Han's death get in the way, and Leia throws it back at him by telling him he was always a little snake of a politician when they would argue back in her senate days, etc, etc, they have old bad blood or whatever.
The Republic planet is safe because it's protected by a heavy duty shield that can repel any invasion or bombardment from the First Order.
Finn and Poe are tasked by Leia to investigate the city because one of Leia's contacts informed her that the First Order have spies embedded in the Republic. Leia suspects Vikram.
Finn quickly becomes enamored by Leia's contact, Chala (Kelly Marie Tran), who tags along with him and Poe through the underbelly of the city to gather information.
>>68789966
Finn and Chala have a flirty romance subplot that involves a nighttime adventure through the rustic old city (this is the second entry in the trilogy after all, and poetry demands it).
Finn, Poe and Chala all corner the culprit: Vikram's aide, who has evidence of contact between Vikram and the First Order. Leia and some Resistance fighters confront Vikram and throw him in jail for treason. He denies everything, and the rest of the Republic officials are horrified because Leia basically just coup-de-etat'd the **** out of their leadership. Leia assumes control of the planet's defenses and absentmindedly puts Finn in charge of the shield codes.
Finn and Chala have a moment and Finn mentions his confusion about why Vikram didn't just lower the shields for the First Order. They walk into a room and Phasma is standing there and Chala draws a gun on Finn and forcibly takes the codes for disarming the shield from him. She says she planted the evidence, used Finn to get the codes, and basically that she thinks he's a dirty traitor to the First Order. In a moment of pure pottery, Phasma makes Finn lower the shields.
The First Order fleet jumps out of hyperspace and invades the planet, quickly capturing Finn, Poe and Leia. Kylo starts to torture Finn using the Force, knowing that it will draw Rey out of hiding and into his trap.
So the booken wooken ist kommen
>>68789942
>disney cuck
go back to epcot
Lol, what hacks. Why the sequels never want to explain anything is disturbing.
>>68789555
Well it shows that she was taught the exact same moves. Whatever that's worth. I doubt it means as much as some people will probably read into it.
>we wont learn more about the only interesting character VII.
>>68790213
>he didn't click the link
Dumb frogposter.
>>68787104
Then what the fuck will the story of VIII be??
>>68790344
Lukes hand floating through space, and his quest to get it back!
>>68790344
Maybe you'll find out once you watch it. Why does everyone have to be spoonfed a plot a year before the movie is even released.
>>68787359
We will literally never see this guy again.
>>68787104
>I encourage fans to fill in the gaps we leave with their own stories and experiences
awesome
more lame as shit fan fiction will be considered canon
They need gaps to fill with terrible books and comics obviously.
>>68790589
He'll have the Boba Fett effect. Just watch. A few years down the road, he'll get some odd fan base from his minute screen time. He'll end up getting toys, comics, books, maybe even a vidya made about him.
>>68787104
>I encourage fans to fill in the gaps we leave with their own stories and experiences. That's how good storytelling works. That's how you hook the fans.
We already had an EU that was discarded. What is the point of making a new one? The whole SW universe is super cheap now.
>>68791124
>What is the point of making a new one?
Money, obviously.
