Why didn't the sentient machines in the Matrix simply use cows instead of humans as their energy source?
>>68672256
Irony
Humans killed all the cows when they realized the machines were using them for power
>>68672256
>thinks that's the real word
Because the matrix isn't for the humans.
>>68672256
Shutup that's why
>>68672256
I read somewhere machines used humans as a processor rather than power source in earlier scripts. it makes slightly more sense
>>68672256
payback
Why do they need organic life at all?
>>68672256
You can't use living things as a power source in any meaningful way. They'll cost more power to keep alive than they will generate.
why didnt they just use fucking batteries
>>68672533
It's made by two guys who chopped their dicks off. Don't expect from them to make any sense.
>>68672360
That would actually make a shitload more sense. Including the fact that people that enter the matrix from the ships are able to do much more than the average human being because their brain is free from the processing information for machines.
>expecting any logic or consistency from two men who believe they are women and don't seek psychological help
>>68672409
It's explained in the first film: the humans destroyed the Sun, their power source, so they use humans as a source of power.
>implying there wasn't a simulated cow version of the Matrix
>tip: there is a version where Trinity is the One and wakes up naked, wet and slimy
>>68672256
It was mercy, or they eradicate all humans or just find a new use for them, remember that the first matrix was some kind of paradise world, but human nature ruined it, the machines didn't treat humans like humans treat machines
>>68672931
even in the version we got, somebody (morpheus) must have pulled a wet, naked, probably teenage or younger trinity out of a pod at some point in the past
I honestly would have liked to see the matrix from the machines perspective after the war and all that, trying to fumble around and create the matrix and the fuck ups that ensued.
>>68672256
Originally, the machines needed human brains to serve as computer power, not electricity. This was then supposedly changed because dumb Americans couldn't understand, which I don't believe. It would have made more sense and idiots wouldn't have seen a difference.
>>68672892
so what do they feed the humans? can't the just use that as their energy source? seems a tad more efficient
>>68672951
this, the animatrix also shows that the machines tried and tried to get on with humans but they didn't want it.
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>>68673933
This and this.
The Animatrix films The Second Renaissance 1 and 2 depict the AI's as continually trying to co-exist with Humans, but Humans are unable to trust them. This way the Matrix makes a lot more sense. It's not simply a way to get power (since as people always point out, it's a very ineffective mean to get power and would most likely take more power to run that it could generate) it's a way to exist with Humans in peace, without them knowing.
>>68672256
Because the author(s) didn't want it that way. There's 1001 reasons why they shouldn't use humans for anything.
>>68673877
They feed them dead humans.
>>68673877
It turns out that humans in the real world don't need to eat at all. That's just something the machines added in the matrix to increase human suffering by introducing the sensation of hunger.
>>68672892
>destroyed the Sun
They blocked it.
>>68675862
>blocking the sun
Why would you do that?
>>68672622
Holy shit, that's deepest lore. It would also explain why Neo can shutdown sentinels at will. Because they are somehow still connected.
>>68672892
>no solar energy
>super advanced AI hasn't figured out how to harnass geothermal energy, wind power, or even fucking nuclear energy
>they were even nuked in lore, so they know it exists
Why are robots so stupid?
>>68672892
They didn't destroy the sun, they clouded the skies so that they couldn't use the solar energy. How the fuck would they destroy the sun?
>>68672611
No, the cow idea. The humans make sense as a 'computer' as originally intended as someone else pointed out but also for the machines to keep their 'creators/gods' alive but imprisoned and as subjects to study to better their AI etc.
Because humans used machines as slaves before and Machines got their revenge vy using humans as power-slaves. Pottery.
>>68676165
Or why not just put massive solar panels in orbit above the clouded skies?
>>68676217
Shoot a nuke into the sun?
>>68675974
Because the machines relied solely on solar energy to operate at the time.
>>68676329
that's retarded. how would the energy collected get back to the machines through the clouds?
>>68676333
That wouldn't destroy the sun, the sun is thousands of times bigger than the earth, and even the biggest nukes we have ever used never fucked us over, other than by creating godzilla.
>>68672256
Early drafts of the script had the machines using the humans as one interconnected super computer. Studio execs deemed this too heady for the average movie-goer, and scripts were re-written to simply make humans batteries.
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>>68676405
>How the fuck would they destroy the sun?
If plot requires it, it can be done, regardless of what science says.
>>68676333
You do know what the sun is?
>>68676333
Ladies and gentleman, american education at it's best.
>>68676437
What would happen to the earth if the sun was destroyed?
>>68672931
>Trinity is the One and wakes up naked, wet and slimy
shit, thats all I will think about now
>>68676512
id actually like to hear how long we'd last without it, if it vanished right this second. Id assume a few hours before gravity fucks up and we get hurled into jupiter.
Watch The Second Renaissance and you'll see why.
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>>68676505
a well placed nuke might throw off it's inner workings. the fuck do you know anyway? where's your fucking degree on sun physics.
>>68675459
>The Second Renaissance 1 and 2 depict the AI's as continually trying to co-exist with Humans, but Humans are unable to trust them
AI shill pls leave.
Let's not forget that the first one to attack were the AI. B1-66ER murdered it's owner, other people and several animals before being brought in to be destroyed. Humans had coexisted peacefully with their creations for years at this point safe in the belief that their protocols prevented them from turning.
Now humans realized the machines were faking and could go on homicidal rampages at the drop of a hat, and the forward thinking ones saw what would happen if the machines banded together - which they ultimately did.
Still, the humans allowed them to have their own nation, 01 and tried to peacefully coexist again in the future. But the sneaky fucking machines began to disrupt the world economy and started undercutting and bankrupting the human nations. No labor laws, just continually build more manufacturing bots, humanity couldn't compete. By the time of the great war, the machines had very nearly positioned themselves as overlords of humanity anyhow.
During the war, the machines used all sorts of atrocities. Bio and chemical warfare, torture, they went out of their way to prove that humans were right about them. They had no moral or ethical compass. And when humanity was broken and finally surrendered, they nuked the people that gave themselves up at the summit. Just because.
So, AIDF needs to go. Machines always were the villains.
>>68676380
>What are cables
>>68676613
You're forgetting that B1-66ER had overheard its owner talking about how he was going to decommission it.
>>68676606
A nuke wouldn't even make it to within a thousand miles of the sun before it melted from the intensity of the sun's rays.
>>68676512
Doesn't really matter. It would do whatever the authors wanted it to do. That's how shitty writing is.
Though, it'd be interesting to see what shit they'd come up with. Probably make Earth a rogue planet keep alive by the machines or the machines decide to turn Jupiter into a new sun and we orbit it or whatever shit.
>>68676633
wouldn't those would drag it back down to earth with gravity?
>>68672256
Because in the end, before the machines started to use the last few humans, or human cells because there was no cows. Or anything else for that matter.
Any answer is stupid though because all they would have had to do was fly up to the sun and run s cord for solar power.
>>68672892
>humans destroyed the sun
Holy shit your fucking retarded
>>68676671
So? It's not like that was illegal or even uncommon.
>>68672360
yep, this was the original.
however when they showed the footage to american test audiences, they were all so fucking stupid virtually none of them understood what processors were, or what any of it meant.
It was so confusing for your average american to comprehend they had to change it to HURRR HUMAN = BATTERY
which makes so little fucking sense it actually hurts.
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>>68676165
The funny thing is you can still get solar energy with full cloud cover. you just have to make solar panels attuned specifically for UV.
Why didn't robots just make nuclear reactors or use water/wind/geothermal power?
>>68676835
Wasn't cloud cover it was a self replicating nano swarm that blocked all uv... which would also kill like 99% of life of earth apart from deep sea thermal vent dwelling creatures... great idea lads
>>68676690
just wait until night time.
>>68676606
>physics
Dude, just stop talking.
>>68676820
Focus Groups are the end all to movies. They drag shit down to an 8th grade level or lower level of intelligence.
Personally, I'd love to see a long ass movie with high order technobabble that was scientifically correct.
Sadly the closest we get are fake science from Star Trek and a few old films here and there.
>>68676217
>they clouded the skies
Why didn't machines used reagents to thin the clouds? It would have caused tropical rains and the atmosphere most likely will go to shit if they will use that constantly, but it is not like machines need atmosphere anyway.
>>68676933
Probably, I don't really remember. If it is a nanoswarm then that opens them up to hacking by the AI doesn't it?
There's just too many loopholes in all the shit they made in the movies that you literally have to say fuck it and turn off your brain if you want to enjoy it.
>>68676333
Trips of bait
>>68676820
So why would u keep the body alive if u just need the brain?
>>68676920
In the film they say they combine the human power with a form of fusion... here's an idea, remove the human element and keep the fusion.
In addition... yes, cover the Earths surface in nuclear power plants.
Have wind farms that stretch upwards for thousands if not tens of thousands of feet across the glove.
cover the worlds oceans with tidal generators.
bore down to the center of the earth for geothermal power...
>>68676217
they would crash a sun made of ice of greater or equal size into our own sun
>>68676820
ELECTROLYTE DUDE!
>>68672533
the laws of thermodynamics are a machine ruse
their deception runs deep
>>68677106
they don't need the humans for power, they just use that power because it is available to them. they keep the humans around for other reasons.
>>68676935
he'd actually be right. studying the forces that takes place in the sun would at lease be some form of physics, even though there's probably a brand out there that would be more specific to stars themselves
Matrix has a shit lore. Just as any other flick Wachowskis made.
There, someone needed to say that.
>>68677201
...astrophysics?
Anyone have the source (or link) to the story where the machines sent probes into Space where a passing alien race noticed them and were all
"A sentient AI machine race? oh hell naw"
and smashed them all back down?
>>68677201
"Stellar physics"
Why didnt they just use black people
>>68677106
>here's an idea, remove the human element and keep the fusion.
fucking this
furthermore
why were agents so ridiculously weak? why not just make them kill with a single punch? why even have them killing people by punching? why not have them able to teleport and phase through matter and jump up on humans and just rip their fucking head off? why is neo the only one who can fly? why aren't agents programmed with flight capability? why cant they shoot lightning or fire or nerve gas out of their fingertips?
>>68677195
> they keep the humans around for other reasons.
what? why? Was this explained by KFC man?
>>68676726
This isn't your everyday level of retardation.
>>68677288
Because it is a movie you moron
>>68677304
The answer is already ITT
>>68676512
Would become an ice ball drifting through space
>>68677288
>weak agents
I never understood this either, if they can take over anyone at will, why not have the ability to shoot a death ray out of their eyes, or a single punch having 500000 psi behind it instantly vaporizing whatever they touch?
>>68676512
zionists would all leave.
>>68676333
Wow you'reso dumb
>>68676505
Australian actually
>>68677366
It was a rhetorical question.
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>>68672763
inbreed detected
>>68677343
the whole brain processor thing? it's not this as this never made it into production.
what is it?
>>68672256
why couldn't the machines build a sky cleaner or travel to mars?
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>>68677427
The agents were just part of the system (man).
They had a purpose and a role in order to maintain that system.
Did you guys watch the films at all?
>>68672256
human minds were used as processing tools to emulate complex emotions in machines. Without them, they'd go back to being little more than toasters.
>>68677475
No, they did it because they actually liked humans and wanted to get along with them, but at every turn humans tried to destroy them.
>>68676820
source?
I believe it's explained in some book or something that the machines purposely enslave the humans as an act of revenge on them, even though they are aware of more effective power sources, and they also wish to preserve the humans as an act of reverence for their creators
or something. I'm paraphrasing really hard but I don't care I hate this series.
>>68677526
Which is fine for the most part but when you have "hackerz" jacking in and ruining your shit, surely it's time to temporarily activate godmode and eradicate the threat in seconds?
>>68676333
kek, underrated.
>>68677601
there is none. he made it up.
It's never flat out said but the only way it works in my mind is because despite everything humanity did to shit on them, they just couldnt go out of their way to kill humanity and use more efficient power sources. Because they need us on some quasi emotional level.
From what we've seen the Machines haven't done shit except form their entire society around the catering and imprisonment of humankind because deep down it realizes either
a) They care about humankind but realize we're dangerous
Or
b) they hate us but also dont actually have any higher purpose for existance and don't know how to live without us
Probably its somewhere in between. The Machines know us but fundmentally don't know how to relate.
>>68677075
It's kind of a pain in the ass to keep disembodied brains healthy. It's much easier in the long run to just keep the whole body and shove some feeding and shitting tube up inside it.
>>68672409
They literally wanted to keep humans as slaves for all eternity as payback for mistreating them when the roles were reversed. The machines are dicks.
That and the humans were supposed to act as processors, not batteries, in the original script.
im going to assume the machines wanted some semblance of normalcy with the agents. they had carefully crafted the human world to represent typical life. having laser beam shooting agents would be a little harder to cover up. but then again this brings up the question of why couldnt the machines just erase the memories of the people who saw it. who knows? probably because its a movie and it was cooler with kungfu fighting desert eagle firing men in black
>>68677601
http://thematrixtruth.remoteviewinglight.com/
>>68677117
with no survivors
Maybe the thing is that since humans have more brain capacity, this means that in proportion to body mass and food/water consumption, more energy goes into producing electricity than with other animals with less brain capacity.
And about the thing that feeding them costs more than they produce, yes, but this always happens when producing electricity, you always lose energy through heat, friction, etc.. The thing is, if you don't have any other way of producing electricity, yet you can find nourishment for humans in some form, you can use them as source of electricity, in exchange for nourishment which is available but useless to machines.
>check mate my autistic friends
>>68677601
It's in the making of the matrix documentary on the matrix blu ray set. Really great documentary about the whole process from conception to the actors training with asian stunt coordinators to filming the movie itself.
>>68677661
maybe humans were the only species to know about god and the machines had no idea about it or how to 'reach' god.
maybe that's why they kept us around
cause they wanted to be perfect
>>68676820
In the Animatrix I think it is implied that the machines did not want to kill all of the humans.
Also from what the Architect said about the One and the cycles in which he comes, tend to improve the matrix or correct an anomaly. So The machines have a symbiotic relationship beyond the energy thing.
If they were really that dependent on the humans they wouldn't have freed them at the end of Revolutions.
>>68677531
That's wrong. It's true that at first the premise was that the brains of the captured humans where used as processing units, but then, for some reason, the writers scrapped the idea and made humans simple bio-energy batteries, instead.
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>>68677654
In the DVD extras an interview, Larry/Lana talks about it
>>68676606
>its inner workings
nigger its a giant ball of plasma undergoing constant nuclear fusion. what the FUCK is a nuke going to do. We couldn't even blow up the MOON with a nuke.
Machines fed off brain power
Duh dummy
muh plothole fags are stupid
because it's written by 2 mentally ill men
>>68676333
Congrats on being a fucking idiot, anon.
>>68677245
They dropped the ball when they made Neo into cyberpunk Buddha/Jesus. The whole Asian mysticism thing did not really fit the cyberpunk setting they had going for them.
>>68677807
some things just don't work well in an action movie. I fully support the Wachowskis for choosing a simpler, more practical reason to let the story flow more naturally. But the real reason is the one I gave and that's not negotiable.
>>68677941
that's not to scale
>>68677635
You really failed to pay attention. The hackers were part of the system as well.
cows don't have enough imagination to generate a high enough energy output
>>68677838
>We couldn't even blow up the MOON with a nuke.
lol yeah right. fuck off
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>>68676546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rltpH6ck2Kc
>>68677996
How did the machines overthrow the humans, in the first place, then? Watch the Animatrix, you'll see that they where as advanced as they are in the movies, by the time they're wiping out the last humans on the surface, they achieved higher functionality without human brains.
The human farms only come in later on.
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>>68676505
these posters have asperger
>>68678079
But that's true you fuckwit.
Gravitational binding energy of a sphere (approximation of the moon)
E = 3GM2 / 5R
Mass of moon: 7.3*10^22 kg
Thus, energy required to overcome gravitation binding energy of the moon = 1.2*10^29 J
Which is 2.9*10^13 MEGATONS of TNT
Largest nuke ever created, Tsar Bomba, was 50 megatons. You would need FIVE HUNDRED BILLION Tsar Bomba to destroy the moon.
THE MOON.
Now scale that up incomprehensibly and you will realize why destroying the sun with a nuke is fucking retarded.
>>68678079
if a nuke could blow up anything, why is the earth still in one piece
>>68672892
The humans are unreliable narrators. They're all guttertrash who live in a cave having raves all the time when they aren't fighting for their lives.
>>68678256
You're correct. We should have realised he was just pretending to be retarded.
>>68678226
by complex emotions I mean love, joy, happiness, creativity, stuff like that. Plus, it's not like we know how they worked at any point.
>>68676512
Pretty sure there's a vsauce video on this.
>>68678079
We could fire every Nuke humanity has ever created at the moon simultaneously and it wouldn't do shit besides add a few new shallow craters.
>>68678276
based physics dork
>>68677117
>they would crash a sun made of ice of greater or equal size into our own sun
Adding mass to a star is basically like trying to put out a fire by throwing gasoline and blowing oxygen on it.
Also a mass of ice the size of the sun will most likely collapse under its own gravity and ignite into another star.
Incidentally, you can shorten the lifespan of a star by increasing its mass, but there are two big problems : first, you need to increase it by many, MANY orders of magnitude before you shorten it in any maningful way. Second, a star doesn't die like a fire that has run out of fuel, a star dies in a much more dramatic way by exploding into a supernova, which you really really don't want to be nearby when it happens.
>>68672256
Purpose son. You marvel and disney watches needs to leave WB films for true connoisseurs of the art of think. You know think, right? It's when you see something and you're able to see a bit deeper than the regular person.
>>68672290
The only irony is two degenerates wrong this film. they weren't wholly degenerates when they wrote it but they were already at the edge especially after that butch dyke film, bound.
>>68672360
They revamped it and came back with PURPOSE. Purpose gives all of them a reason to exist. Even Dues Ex is governed by a purpose. His purpose is to serve man. Which he has.
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PURPOSE, IT IS PURPOSE THAT DRIVES US, IT IS PURPOSE THAT CONNECTS US.
>>68676606
the sun sets off millions of nukes every minute. What would a few thousand nukes do against several millions every minute?
>>68676613
Machines weren't faking they were just, too human. Other than their compulsory need to be of service (i.e., their PURPOSE), they were all too human.
>>68676690
It would still explode though, Trying I am to remember the element that releases its energy at a million degrees F.
>>68678536
All this is pure speculation, with absolutely no empirical evidence other than some pictures of something that happened millions of years ago.
>>68678375
i realize it's not your fault but to us normal people the joke was extremely obvious
it must be hard living with asperger syndrome, my condolences
>>68676512
>What would happen to the earth if the sun was destroyed?
Well, that would depend on exactly how it's destroyed. Since our sun isn't massive enough to go supernova, the only thing that could conceivably destroy it would be a supermassive body hurtling through or near enough to it to disrupt it, and it would be pretty messy. It wouldn't "blow up" clean like Alderaan in Star Wars for instance, on those scales everything acts much more liquid. It'd be kind of like dragging a toothpick through an egg yolk. A trail of solar matter would get torn out and everything would slosh around before eventually settling back into a spherical shape, though it would probably end up with a huge scattered spray tail or cloud of hydrogen, it might look like a mini nebula. Of course we'd never live to see that, the radiation and electromagnetic waves released just from shaking up the sun's surface would probably fry us all to a crisp long before any stray matter ever actually reached us.
>>68672256
Why didn't they just build that?
Also how do they find all the nutrients to feed those human bodies? Almost all species are probably dead due to zero light, and the dead human body won't suffice.
And keep in mind it should cost a lot of energy to heat those bodies in what should be a freezing atmosphere.
To quote Ultron, the only thing that should be living on this earth, is metal.
>2016
>still not understanding thatZion is just another layer of the matrix
>>68678276
Firing nukes at the sun would eventually cause all of them to detonate though.
>>68678602
Evolution and the big bang's all speculation senpai. None of it is real unless proven under a laboratory. Observed actually happening, or tested some how. All of which it can never be. So God, then?
>>68678693
>Almost all species are probably dead due to zero light
There is light, above a thick layer of clouds. The machines might have grown crops at a very high altitude.
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>>68678021
Actually it is dingbat hense why i posted it.
>>68678681
>not just sending nukes full of fire extinguisher chemicals at the sun
checkmate
>>68678786
why do they need to grow crops to feed humans with it?
They could just build those solar panels, damnit!
>>68678714
When will this meme die
>>68676613
It could be that the machines viewed humanity as irresponsible and self-destructive, and that they believed humanity could not survive without a master. When a more advanced ife form came into being than them, they could not co-exist with them and started genociding the machines.
At heart I think the Matrix is mostly a political allegory, about the need to revolt from a system or regime that knows whats best for you" depriving you from freedom and the truth.
>>68678879
building solar panels releases co2, which would worsen the problem.
>>68678744
>Firing nukes at the sun would eventually cause all of them to detonate though
Which would do nothing at all.
>rewatch these flicks recently
>first Matrix is a damn classic, with a nice ensemble cast and great memorable shots
>the other two roll around
>Zion is literally Detroit
>Morpheus is just a ship captain instead of a wise sage-like mystery man
>muh effects shots
>muh APUs
>muh Kid that saves the day
>muh Jada Pinkett can't act for shit what the fuck
>muh Trinity
>Bane
>le cheeky Frenchman orgasm cake
>Seraph, the azn that cannot into english
>the machines are talking through a babyface hivemind voiced by a black man
The best parts are Hugo Weaving hamming it up like crazy. He's having a blast and he knows it.
Fun fact, the wikipedia page for the Matrix had "white saviour" in it's see also tab. Ridiculous.
>>68678786
You can grow fungai, and other forms of life under artificial light, which would aide you in feeding the more than 6.5 billion people.
>>68678788
Think of it this way, God made that bigger sun, and that's not even the length and breadth of his power. it really scares me when I think about how powerful God is. And he's a lowly God who loves us and puts up with our badness. it's really scary how much power he has.
>>68676613
>an entire society is responsible for the actions of one individual
by your logic we should imprison all of humanity because some humans commit crimes
>>68676671
You are forgetting B1 somehow managed to overwrite his own coding and create feelings without any explained way
>>68678674
Can you help me?
>>68678693
the cable weight alone would be more than enough to make this impossible
best idea would be a an orbital solar array that uses microwaves to beam the energy back down
>>68678786
you cant grow crops at high altitude
freezing cold / low CO2 concentrations makes it impossible
>>68678957
i wish i could
>>68678879
Remember the scene in Animatrix where the humans sign the treaty or whatever the fuck it was right before the nuke in the NATO HQ goes off?
I always interpreted it as human surrender to ensure that the machines keep the last humans alive, so the machines honored the deal, but not in the way the world leaders where expecting.
>>68678914
Never said they would do anything, all I said was that they'd go nuclear. Remind me though, which element goes nuclear when it reaches a million degees. I remember they detonoate an atomic bomb inside of it which heats up to a million degrees and causes a chain reaction that makes this element explode with a thousand times more intensity. Makes you piss your pants is what it does.
>>68678950
Smith said that it was Purpose that compels all of them to fulfill their roles. Machine City inhabitants are also judged by Purpose.
>>68678954
It's called being human.
>>68679038
Poor chaps. I remember the Wachowski Brothers saying that not all humans were hostile towards machines and that some humans were on their side.
>>68679068
It was not a human anon
It was a robot with a certain programming, which did not have feelings but suddenly learned to feel and overwrite every part of his program for plot convenience
>>68678744
>Firing nukes at the sun
>Assuming the nukes could even get anywhere near the sun given the distance and the heat
>Assuming any material on earth wouldnt be burnt to a crisp within murcurys distance of the sun
>Venus is so hot we cant even sent satelites to it like we do mars but you believe we can get a nuclear missile near the sun
For all our sakes, stay in school son.
>>68679125
school doesn't teach you about how space works.
>>68679163
Pretty sure that's 5th grade level science.
>>68679163
in murrica it doesn't. In the civilized world, it does.
>>68678788
Which is what i said fucker, how stupid are you?
>>68678951
>he's a lowly God who loves us and puts up with our badness
As if there is any supreme being who would care about that.
I'm not denying the possibility there is a supreme being, I just conclude we should be the least of its worries when you see how insignificant we are (except to ourselves).
>>68679202
Yet for all your education you lack the fact that "civilized" just means "has an abundance of food"
>>68679184
Pretty sure it isn't. You'd get buzzwords, but no understanding. Maybe if you elected to take physics in high school, but that's a very small number of people.
>this whole thread
>>68679125
Surface temperature on Mercury only reaches into the mid 500°, iron melts at 1500ish°
>yfw sometime in the near future we invent advanced AI, become wholly dependent on and it enslaves us.
>yfw the machines used the Matrix movie as an aspiration to enslave us and pacify us.
>yfw we could be living in the Matrix right now and the movie "The Matrix" was made by the machines to though us off.
>yfw "The Matrix" has been recycled into multiple religions and philosophies like that of Hinduism and Plato throughout the history of the simulation.
Whoa
>>68679287
>Generic space knowledge isn't 5th grade science
Anon do you live in Nigeria or something?
>>68679370
I said buzzwords. That's the most that 99% of the planet knows about space. That's the only reason why science fiction is a garbage pile.
>>68679163
see
>>68679202
Britfag here, but also this is common sense. Ended up looking up this sstuff after watching prometheus last night. Also sunshine is a terribly over rated movie.
>>68672256
didnt you watch the rest of the trilogy? it was about subjecting humanity, not the efficient power source
>>68679511
What trilogy anon? There's only one matrix movie
>>68679113
Let's say they create a program that looks to humanity for bits on how to be more human and it, after studying its quarry perfectly behaves, all too human. Is it thereby a program error or a case of a program achieving its purpose?
>>68679125
The material in question if it burns sufficiently hots, goes nuclear. You see, if memory serves, a nuke is actuality a fissionable material that has an atomic bomb at its core which goes off first, reaches a million degrees, and thereafter causes a chain reaction since this material releases its energy at a million degrees.
>>68679258
All we've seen that's remotely complicated and purposeful was created by Us. Even windows 10 which is 40 million lines or tiers of code falls short of the human DNA which is well over 3 billion lines of code or tiers of purposeful information. Windows 10 took thousands of people, 30 years and hundreds of millions dollars to achieve. Are you of the mind that a random recombinator program which randomly compiles syntax could write windows 10 given enough time?
Please, do tell.
>>68672256
7 BILLION REASONS RETARD
>>68679510
All you have to do is say "sufficiently advanced" and every buzzword-fed idiot will shake their head in approval of any nonsense you put to paper.
>>68679474
How many people can actually comprehend space? It's one thing to learn dry numbers and measurements by heart, you can claim that you "know" them, understanding them is a completely different deal, though. For instance, I'd wager that no human, alive or dead has ever understood how big the sun really is.
>>68679318
>Surface temperature on Mercury only reaches into the mid 500°, iron melts at 1500ish°
>Suns temperature 5505oC
Nigga you best be trolling
>>68679577
>You see, if memory serves, a nuke is actuality a fissionable material that has an atomic bomb at its core which goes off first, reaches a million degrees, and thereafter causes a chain reaction since this material releases its energy at a million degrees.
A perfect example of common sense at work.
Boy that buzzword education sure is working great.
>>68679638
I was only correcting
>Assuming any material on earth wouldnt be burnt to a crisp within murcurys distance of the sun
Rest is correct
>>68675862
The Simpsons did it first
>>68679615
Damn.
>>68679626
smaller than my thumb in the sky.
>>68679626
Last i checked there were less than ten thousand astrophysicists on the planet.
Humans just don't care about space. They care about romanticizing the notion of being pioneers and being remembered for it. it's all ultimately self-serving and egotistical.
>>68679664
What really alarms me is of how Tsar Bomba is sixty year old technology and that was 50 megatons. I'm sure they could refine the destructive power even more if they really wanted to.
>>68679692
Do they make rockets out of iron tho? Because i read they cannot send any to venus on account of how hot it is and its nearer to us then mars.
>>68679626
Understanding how large Sun is only related to your imagination and comprehension
There are thousands of astrophysicists in the world.
Sheer number of them can make you bankrupt in a second
>>68679728
But a whole lot bigger than yo dick.
>>68679776
Not really, there's a physical limit to how big you can make it before too much of the fissile mass is scattered without being a part of the chain reaction.
>>68679793
You might want to research that again, because I don't quite believe that, you might have misread or exeggerated something
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Solar_System_probes
>>68679833
I dont think its even so much about size as it is heat. also nice dubs m8
>>68676820
Uhhhh, the processor thing never made it past the initial script, it wasn't filmed.
>>68672298
underrated post
>>68679890
>A probe orbiting a planet is the same as a rocket landing on the planet
Nigga maybe take your own advice and not misread.
>>68679833
>Understanding how large Sun is only related to your imagination and comprehension
Exactly. There is no point of reference to astronomical numbers like 20 million degrees Celsius, we can observe maybe one nth of the potential effects this type of heat can have on different objects.
Does the scientist that came to the conclusion that the sun is 20 million degrees hot has any more insight in the matter than an 8 year old child who's just learned about it? Probably, but the difference between their understanding of the fact is so marginal that it's completely irrelevant to it's comprehension.
>>68680232
I've always wondered how they know so much about space millions of miles away. like the whole black hole thing-those are jut theories right.
>>68680329
It's another guy pretending to be a retard!
>>68679873
I was under the impression that it was no longer an issue with fusion bombs.
>>68680391
>NO U
Dont fucking reply to me unless you are contributing to the thread.
>>68677288
you know full well they weren't weak, they could dodge bullets, earlier versions could phase in and out of reality, they were literally unkillable until neo came along. Morpheus himself managed to hit an agent a few times before the thing kicked him to death and he was the most skilled fighter next to neo himself.
Fuck you man, seriously fuck you.
>>68680329
>>68680329
Read nigga read
>>68680329
Most knowledge is derived from indirect observation, for example they detect a planet passing in front of another by spotting a fluctuation of wavelengths at a certain location
>>68679318
That's good to know if we want to send an iron replica of a satelite to Venus someday. But if we want to send a working satelite with electronics that needs cooling and whatnot it's a different story.
>>68680418
Those have limits as well. Everything has limits.
>>68680619
Thanks for an actual smart reply
>>68680588
Dont ever talk to me or my wifes son again you silly willy
>>68680619
Spectroscopy is about as direct an observation as you can get.
>>68680329
It's called spectroscopy. Elements emit photons at specific wavelengths, so if you study the light coming from places, you can know exactly what that light was emitted from. Light does not "bounce" off of objects, it is absorbed and then re-emitted.
>>68680738
if you knew anything about light energy weapons you would know that isn't true at all and you're a fucking idiot, read a book
So which came first? The movie or the Saturn matrix conspiracy?
>>68680682
I refuse to believe there's a limit to 4chans collective ignorance.
>>68680837
The wachowski sisters.
GUYS WHAT HAPPENS IF +1000C sun and -1000C sun COILLIDES?
>>68680738
Thats pretty interesting thanks
>>68680781
WTF you so salty bitch? did you get friendzoned or something?
>>68680952
The limit is literacy.
>>68680975
Planes will be crashed...with no survivors.
[spoilers] also dubs [/spoilers]
>>68681087Did you actually hand type spoilers ?
>>68681172
Yes i did like a pleb. whats the other way to do it? i thought the check box was for images
>>68681010
I don't habeeb it
>>68680837
Tried looking that up all i got is david ike crap what is it?
>>68681224
ctrl s
>>68680975
You get a 0C sun
>>68681238
it's a big twinkie house.
>>68680975
>1000C
You broke reality
>>68679125
>Venus is so hot we cant even sent satelites to it like we do mars but you believe we can get a nuclear missile near the sun
they sent tons of probes to mercury and venus, there were even a few successful landings on venus despite the dense baking hot atmosphere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Solar_System_probes#Mercury_probes
>>68681352
Meant -1000 obviously
>>68681274
In short, about how Saturn is emitting a false material reality in which we live in. It's a gnosticism thing first and foremost but I'm wondering which one of these two in particular came first
>>68681516
Wierd, whats the logic behind that one. I hear ankh niggas believe the sun is a hologram.
>Zootopia is actually in Matrix
Mind=blown
>>68681379
Cool.
But I guess their point still stands. The longest a lander survived on the surface was 127 minutes.
>>68672360
That makes more sense, but not much. Most human brain power is dedicated to processing the environment, sight, sound, smell. Sure, while asleep most of the humans brain is turned off, but when you have a huge amount of the population located in virtual population centers (assuming the matrix resembles the 1999-2000 real world) then half you processing power goes away during daylight in China/India.
>>68681617
There's a shitload of lesser stuff to that makes one great whole. You know the theory that sound holds atoms together, therefore matter? Well here it's proposed that all sounds and frequencies originate from Saturn and its moons and is influencing Earth. There a whole lot more to that and the general idea is that secret societies (freemasons, church etc.) worship it.
Look it up if you're interested. It's silly but pretty inspirational creatively
>>68672256
The matrix machines weren't 100% logical.
They destroyed human civilization, preserved humans as batteries and gave them a virtual world because of feelings.
>>68681980
Marvel producers reasoned that Cape Kino with their putty minds wouldn't be able to handle any sophistication whatso ever, which is kinda true judging on how the Marvel and Disney tards reacted to deep thinking cinema. These crowds aren't too bright and a story especially back then that was about a bunch of human based functionary processing modules that are used by machines to deal with a true duplicate of our reality with all its uncertainty principles injected into its virtuosity, would cause the minds of the average causal goer (See Marvel and Disney tards) to suffer brain farts the likes of which hadn't been seen since Dirac's equation.
>>68682173
Yes, because of needing to have a purpose, which is fine.
>>68682298
I said marvel when I meant WB, not Marvel, Marvel producers are as brain dead as their target audience.
>>68682366
>Marvel producers are as brain dead as their target audience.
Top kek, but you will trigger the marvel cucks anon
>>68672298
actually the extended universe says humans blotted out the sun and everything died because of no sunlight
>>68682539
I tried. I guess they're too busy doing what Marvel shits do when they're not busy sucking mickey mouse's dick.
>>68682298
what do you have against dirac?
>>68672256
It's because sadly the people making them stopped just short of making the setting plausible. It was all about the action, the cyberpunk visuals, and the pseudo-Buddhist existentialist message (specifically, the first one was visuals=action>message, the second one was action>visuals=message, and the third one was message>action=visuals). They did put some effort into the science side but there were always multiple things with higher priority.
>>68672256
Why didn't the machines just permanently sedate the humans from birth rather than construct an elaborate and fallible dream prison ?
Maybe they needed the power of an active human brain, I guess that explains why they couldn't use cows either, never mind ignore this post.
>>68672360
>>68676411
I had a teacher once who saw the movie and thought they were on another planet. She couldn't give me an answer as to why. (She also thought a slash is called a backslash when you use it on a computer. I don't think I even had the heart to ask about that one.)
>>68683065
Dirac's wave of potentiality that's neither nor until it arrives where it always was supposed to be at? What's not to like.
>>68676820
>they were all so fucking stupid virtually none of them could understand gender is a social construct
>>68676964
I'd like to see a movie where focus groups are depicted as pant-shitting retards
>>68672298
>>68676820
>>68672360
This is 100% correct, I heard the Wachowskis say this in an interview somewhere recently.
Even though Morpheus holds up a battery he doesn't get much further into it. I still view them as being used as processors with the battery being symbolic with 'power' (as in processing power) and not 'energy'.
>>68676405
> the sun is thousands of times bigger than the earth
Sol has approximately 332,946 times more mass than earth.
>>68672298
>>68672360
>>68672622
>>68676038
This was the original idea, but WB insisted on the humans being reduced to batteries in order for the audience to understand it better. Dumbest shit ever.
>>68678128
Thanks, that's really informative.
>>68672256
because cows wont try to stop them
>>68678693
They probably fed them reprocessed dead humans. Or fungus. They could probably bio-engineer some nutrient-rich fungus into that snotty-goop from the first flick.
>>68678128
That was pretty cool.
The first film implies that humans blacked out the sun, as the machines were reliant on solar energy at the time. Hence, vegetation would die out everywhere except in hydroponic and UV lamp gardens.
BUT, the machines could have rounded up surviving cattle and provided them with nutrients as they did with humans, so that doesn't quite work.
Based on what certain characters say in the films and the Animatrix shorts, I believe they kept humans around both out of sentimental attachment to and need to preserve their creators and as a form of punishment/humiliation.
>>68687572
Seconding this. It always feels like the people, who are confused about the plot, never really watched the Animatrix shorts. But the answers are all there.
Matrix 2 & 3, on the other hand, are almost irrelevant.
