>americans are shit at films
what else is new
>>68132556
>europeans are mostly non-religious nowadays
>they still make better religious films than ameribibles
toppest kek
>>68132556
Americans have more money to spend on terrible productions.
I would contend that only athiests and secularists can make good religious films because they focus on deeper subtexts and nuances of faith and spirituality while most American religious films seem to be made by evangelicals that have a slavish adherence to biblical literalism.
There must always be a questioning in art that is antithetical to the biblical literalist mentality.
Calvary is shit though.
>>68132556
Americans are so fucking trashy. Fr as boring as church always was, I liked the gregorian music and the singing in latin ect. The I remember they changed all that to "cool XD!!" soft christian rock. Some dick up there with an acoustic guitar doing his best creed impression "GEEEE-HAAA-ZUUUUSSS! I COMEND MY SPAH-HERE-ETTT!"
so fucking gay. I even liked the spooky gothic architecture of the churches to and it made me feel like it was something important, and then it just turned into a trip to the DMV basically.
>>68132701
this isnt very accurate. Ireland for example is still pretty catholic and they still wont let abortions be legal or gay marriage.
>>68133641
Didn't they legalize gay marriage just last year?
>>68132556
>leaving out Batman v Superman for top tier American Christian Kino
>>68133641
>implying
gay marriage was legalized through a public referendum in ireland
>>68132556
You forgot to include The Seventh Seal and Léon Morin Priest.
>left
fucking boring unenjoyable films MUH SUFFERING MUH RELIGION MUH LOOK IM ACTING
>right
fun, upbeat, natural, tells actual stories
HMMM....
>>68133641
Gay marriage was legalized in Ireland before America. That being said there are still remnants of catholic values in Irish society and government.
Orthodoxy and Catholicism actually have a culture to draw from.
>>68133191
>only athiests and secularists can make good religious films
Never go full retard bud.
>>68134251
And a history of artists spanning hundreds of years.
>>68132556
We're too busy making classics, not quickly forgotten trash.
>>68133641
Ireland legalized Gay marriage.
>>68133641
Also if you want an abortion I assume you can just travel to N. Ireland, a couple of hours at most
>>68134392
Incredible Artists. Honestly, the best artists ever.
>>68132556
The problem is that Europe is hyper-tolerant of Islam. Islam is in every way worse than Catholocism. So Europeans are incredibly hypocritical on the religious issue.
>>68135282
>t. not a european
>>68134991
Fags
>>68135282
>Islam is in every way worse than Catholocism
Hello heretic proddy.
>>68135282
How does the Christian virtue of tolerance and loving thy neighbor etc make them hypocritical?
>>68135348
>>68135424
>Europeans can't handle criticism
pathetic or read
pathetic
>>68135463
But as they are no longer actively Christian, this philosophy no longer applies.
If Europeans are going to critique the Catholic Church (and they have every right to) while at the same time ignoring the far weirder, more anti-reality, anti-women, anti-infidel, and certainly more violent and cruel "faith" that is Islam....then they are hypocrits of the highest order.
Moreover, holding brown people to a much lower standard is in itself a tacit admission by "liberals" that brown people and their culture are inferior. Whether or not these "liberals" admit it.
>>68133641
Ireland legalized gay marriage through popular vote ages ago m8.
Can someone give me 4 more shitty american protestant flicks?
>>68135424
I'm Catholic dipshit. I just used Catholocism as the default faith of Europe, because it is the dominant institution there.
>the right side leaves out Passion of the Christ
Fuck off, kike
>>68136229
Mel, please. Not many people share your fetishes.
>>68132556
American Christians think they're being persecuted from all sides.
European Christians once did the persecuting and came out the other side.
Guess which one lends itself to a more interesting artistic perspective?
American Protestants are retarded, and barely qualify as Christians. They have more in common with Muslims, ironically, than European Christians.
>>68136309
>American Christians think they're being persecuted from all sides.
B-but they're literally suffering like in Quo Vadis!
>>68135424
It's an objective fact. Name a worse cultural ideology than Islam.
You can't.
>>68134922
Frailty was p good
>>68136416
That stuff the Aztecs did.
>>68136416
This is 100% true.
"Liberals" actually defend the most vicious fascistic political ideology on Earth. Bravo you bullshit artists!!
>>68136137
You should never ''x is worse than Catholicism'' because the Catholic Church is Christ's Church and by saying this you're implying that it is bad but not as bad as x.
>>68133641
>American education
>>68136416
I despise Islam and Muhammad never encountered Gabriel, he was deceived by a false angel of light. The islamic faith = the submission to Satan (false-God). See my post >>68136786
>>68136854
>>68136786
Crazy people are scary.
>>68137078
>he was deceived by a false angel of light. The islamic faith = the submission to Satan (false-God)
This is about as coherent as the stuff my schizophrenic brother says when he forgets his meds.
>>68136972
And yet this beta male hypocrit refrains from criticizing the shitshow that is Islam. You are honestly such a phony.
>>68137335
>refrains from criticizing the shitshow that is Islam
But I hate Islam and I want to stop Muslims from coming into my country. That doesn't mean I have to kiss the ass of some crazy guy.
>>68137151
Talks about angels and demons only sounds silly to a simple godless spiritually empty atheist mind like yours. Funny thing though is that the so-called ''intelligent skeptic and rational'' fedora wearing atheists like you are too hypocrite to call yourself solipsist and you're still scared shitless when you find yourself alone in the woods because that's when your spirit feels the presence of evil. You see, when you're living constantly surrounded by people, distractions and that you do not meditate, you become spiritually empty and weak. It's sad.
Anyways, muslims believe that Muhammad was visited by an angel of light from whom he received God's final revelation. Muhammad claimed that this angel of light was Gabriel, the same Gabriel as the one from the Old Testament of the Bible.
However he was actually visited by a false angel of light, it was a demon, a fallen angel of deception. Satan and his workers are great mimickers and Muhammad, deceived, established a demonic cult of Allah (false-God) called Islam (meaning voluntary submission to this false-God, i.e. Satan) which he spread by the sword convinced that it was the last revelation of God Almighty.
Islam is none other than Satan's magnum opus, which now has 1.6 billion adherents (23% of the world population) and which will probably be followed by half of the world population by 2050.
>For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
>>68137151
>>68137481
Muhammad was Satan's pawn, merely a man, he was easily deceived.
Jesus is the Christ prophesied in scripture, born of God, undeceivable.
>Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God. For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:3-5
>>68137481
>However he was actually visited by a false angel of light, it was a demon, a fallen angel of deception
So ah, may I ask, how the fuck did he manage to pull all this shit? I mean, if Angles can essentially "create" (by proxy) something like Islam, why don't they trick us into dumb shit like that more often?
>>68137481
>intelligent skeptic and rational
I have never in my life claimed to be intelligent or rational. I'm not going to bother reading past "fedora" because that invalidates anything you were going to say.
You do you.
>>68137593
>Angels
>>68137481
>false angel of light
>>68134003
here's your reply
>>68137593
>why don't they trick us into dumb shit like that more often
Because Islam was enough, pic related, look how the satanic virus spread.
Satan wouldn't create too many religions because it would confuse humanity and they'd eventually lose credibility (like what protestantism and its countless denominations is doing to Christianity).
He only created Islam and it is now the only real challenge to God's religion (Christianity).
>>68137857
A fascinating outlook. Tell me more of your beliefs if you don't mind.
>>68132556
When I become Fuhrer, I want all peasants itt going head first into the furnaces
Religious normie fuckers gtfo of my board REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>68137857
i think that picture is confusing middle eastern descendent with islamic
>>68133873
>>68134184
>>68134991
>>68135830
wait, did ireland legalize gay marriage?
>>68137903
I was baptized Catholic, never really believed because I never understood, became atheist when I was a young child, as a teenager I watched hundreds of episodes of the Atheist Experience and countless other atheist stuff, I fell for all the anti-Christian atheist lies then I eventually became a deist and recently Catholic again after doing a lot of research.
>>68132556
>No BvS on american christian films
one job
>>68138175
How did you jump from deism to Catholicism? Because I can understand deism/pantheism, but have no idea how to get further than that into any specific organized religion.
>>68138271
Because of the research I've done on Jesus Christ. I truly became convinced of his divinity and that was reinforced recently with my findings about the Holy Shroud.
>>68138271
>>68138667
Daily reminder that the Shroud of Turin is in fact Jesus Christ's burial cloth.
Summary of scientific and historical evidence supporting the authenticity of the Shroud:
http://www.newgeology.us/Shroud.pdf
Shroud-like coloration of linen by nanosecond laser pulses in the vacuum ultraviolet (it explains that they replicated the shroud's qualities using laser pulsations, which so far is the only way anyone has been able the replicate the shroud's qualities):
http://www.sindone.info/DILAZZA3.pdf
Studies on the radiocarbon sample from the shroud of Turin:
http://www.shroud.it/ROGERS-3.pdf
Nuclear imaging:
http://shroud.com/pdfs/whanger.pdf
http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/accett2.pdf
3D holographic information:
http://www.khouse.org/articles/2009/847/
http://www.ohioshroudconference.com/papers/p24.pdf
Raymond N. Rogers' observations and conclusions:
http://shroudnm.com/docs/2013-01-10-Yannick-Cl%C3%A9ment-Reflections-on-Ray-Rogers-Shroud-Work.pdf
Here's some secular peer-reviewed scientific journal articles on the Shroud of Turin:
http://shroud.typepad.com/topics/2005/10/secular_peerrev.html
Also, here is ancient evidence for Jesus from non-Christian sources:
http://storage.cloversites.com/fcfgroups/documents/Why%20We%20Believe%207.pdf
>>68132556
Because American "christians" are not real christians since they don't accept the pope. Thus, they lack the spark the soul needs to achieve something truly divine.
>>68138716
>b-but the 1988 tests dated it back to the 13th century!
The sample was cut from a corner of the Shroud which was part of a later repair, the dating contradicts other evidence, the sample may also have been contaminated by bacteria, smoke or reactive carbon and further evidence shows that the calculations were done incorrectly. You can verify all of my statements.
The three dating labs, according to a scientific protocol agreed upon in 1985, were supposed to cut several samples of the Shroud from different locations. Unfortunately, that is not what happened. Instead, the scientific adviser to the Arch Diocese of Turin, Luigi Gonnella, decided to violate the protocol and allowed only one sample to be cut from an outside corner where it had been handled hundreds of times over the centuries as it was held up for public viewing.
This flawed examination was actually discredited by Dr. Ray Rogers who published in the January, 2005 issue of Thermochimica Acta. Dr. Rogers stated, in part, ''The radiocarbon sample was thus not part of the original cloth and is invalid for determining the age of the shroud.''
New tests that have been carried out in the University of Padua's laboratories by professors from various Italian universities, led by Giulio Fanti, Italian professor of mechanical and thermal measurement at the University of Padua’s engineering faculty, have dated the fibres from the cloth to a period between 300BC to 400AD.
>>68138758
>accepting Pope Francis
this is probably bait
>>68138106
Yeah last year
>>68138766
>>68137151
It's entirely coherent in the context of his beliefs.
>>68138716
>>68138766
>>68138819
mfw atheists will ignore these facts and keep pretending it's a ''medieval fake'' even though it's IMPOSSIBLE for the Holy Shroud to have been produced without modern technology and the fact that Jesus Christ was always shown with nails in his palms in artwork unlike the Shroud.
>>68139050
Those blood particles have been tested and proven to be human blood.
Also, not a single trace of paint has been detected on the Holy Shroud.
>>68139197
>>68139197
>>68139265
>>68139331
>>68139197
>>68139265
>>68139331
Well, atheists?
>>68139406
Denying the existence of Jesus would be ignorant from a historical standpoint, regardless of your faith.
>>68139484
Of course
http://storage.cloversites.com/fcfgroups/documents/Why%20We%20Believe%207.pdf
but the Holy Shroud is literally physical evidence of his divinity and remember that it has never been reproduced without using paint or modern technology.
1:01:36 - 1:25:29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJPJ4JwHeE
>>68139406
oh man they got a piece of cloth from someone who worn it while getting whipped
doesn't mean it's jaysuss
literally someone could hear about the story of jee ayy zeus and then start whipping their servant so they could sell their shitty shroud for mondo bucks
and it fuckin worked
>>68139484
>>68139765
Watch 1:01:36 - 1:25:29 in 2x speed if you want but watch it, it explains it very well.
>>68139855
See
>>68138716
>>68139765
The ''man'' (Jesus Christ) of the Holy Shroud was bleeding excessively from his head (because of the crown of thorns)
>someone who worn it while getting whipped
The Shroud of Turin’s images are superficial and fully contained within a thin layer of starch fractions and saccharides that coats the outermost fibers of the Shroud. The color is a caramel-like substance, probably the product of an amino/carbonyl reaction. Where there is no image, the carbohydrate coating is clear. There is also a very faint image of the face on the reverse side of the Shroud of Turin which lines up with the image on the front of the cloth. There is no image content between the two superficial image layers indicating that nothing soaked through to form the image on the other side.
Until recently, it was widely believed that the images on the Shroud of Turin were produced by something which resulted in oxidation, dehydration and conjugation of the polysaccharide structure of the linen fibers. This is incorrect. The coating, whether imaged or clear, can be reduced with diimide or removed with adhesive leaving clear cellulose fiber.
The images as they appear on the Shroud of Turin are said to be negative because when photographed the resulting negative is a positive image.
The Turin Shroud was examined with visible and ultraviolet spectrometry, infrared spectrometry, x-ray fluorescence spectrometry, thermography, pyrolysis-mass-spectrometry, lasermicroprobe Raman analyses, and microchemical testing. No evidence for pigments (paint, dye or stains) or artist’s media was found anywhere on the Shroud of Turin.
>>68138766
No one cares about your stupid Harry Potter fanfic.
>>68140098
Why is it so important for you that people believe in this shit?
Jesus was not wrapped in one cloth, you idiots. He was wrapped in many.
And the proportions on the cloth aren't even normal.
Believe in Jesus, or not, but the Shroud of Turin is a hoax that people keep buying into.
>>68139855
>>68140098
But keep ignoring facts. Sure, countless men wore a crown of thorns, then got scourged with this >>68139406 and then got crucified AND ALSO pierced on the left side with a lance.
Read this if you dare to challenge your atheism:
The Authentication of the Turin Shroud: An Issue in Archaeological Epistemology by William Meacham - Archaeologist CURRENT ANTHROPOLOGY - Vol. 24 - N° 3 - (June 1983) Published by the University of Chicago Press
https://www.shroud.com/meacham2.htm
>>68140431
hey man, nobody cares.
>>68140370
>Jesus was not wrapped in one cloth
Nice atheist lie.
''A Clean Cloth'', What Greek Word Usage Tells Us about the Burial Wrappings of Jesus, Diana Fulbright, Director of Research, Shroud of Turin Center
https://www.shroud.com/pdfs/n62part7.pdf
>hoax
See
>>68138716
>>68138766
>>68138819
>>68139765
>>68140098
Looks like it's time for you to accept facts.
>>68140594
You guys are arguing over shit that didn't happen, lol.
>>68140449
>>68140641
>shit that didn't happen
Ancient evidence for Jesus from non-Christian sources:
http://storage.cloversites.com/fcfgroups/documents/Why%20We%20Believe%207.pdf
>>68140594
So you're ignoring every other scientific about the universe and shit.
Then suddenly this cloth comes along and science suddenly tells the truth.
>>68140699
Jesus was real it's stupid to say otherwise.
>>68140699
I don't care, it didn't happen.
>>68140732
>ignoring every other scientific about the universe and shit
I'm a Roman Catholic, not a proddy.
Europe - Christianity and the Word of God
America - jaysuuuus luuurv yuuuu
also not knowing how the cloth got imprinted doesn't mean it was some divine bullshit.
It just means we don't know how.
>>68140732
>>68140784
Catholics like myself, throughout history never stopped having a thirst for knowledge. I bet you're one of the ''DUDE I FUCKING LOVE PICS OF SPACE NEBULAE BUT CHRISTFAGS HATE THEM SCIENCE IS AWESOME YAY LMAO'' fedoras.
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZDj5nM0KbdUTEpoka1oyAR8BtHfIiVJm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niIAJC24zd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsOo-W49kJo
Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jesuit_scientists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_scientists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_Catholic_cleric-scientists
>>68140881
1:01:36 - 1:25:29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJPJ4JwHeE
Watch it in 2x speed if you want but you have to watch this, it explains it perfectly.
>>68133191
>There must always be a questioning in art that is antithetical to the biblical literalist mentality.
If I'm understanding this right you are saying that a movie ALWAYS have to be against the tenants of someone who takes the bible as a literal how-to guide.
Unless you are talking about the movie industry as a whole I don't think your point is all that valid, since you can have a well done movie that is literal to the bible; ir, The Passion Of The Christ by Based Mel.
Maybe even some of the europeans take a biblical tale and tale as is and is a good movie nonetheless.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>>68140922
no it doesn't
>>68140960
It does. Does it scare your atheism? Put your big boy pants on and watch it.
>>68134922
>The Avengers is Christian just because of the one line that Captain America has about God
ITT: atheists getting BTFO
>>68136416
Libertarianism
>>68142703
Not even close.
Libertarians are right about a lot. And wrong about some stuff. But no Libertarian straps a bomb on a woman or a child and sends them to blow up hundreds of innocent people in the name of their poorly written desert fable.
So no.
>>68142703
Found the cuck.
>>68132556
Fixed*
>>68143020
Ebin meme, simply ebin
>>68142992
Right. Instead, they sell their countries to corporations, destroy national sovereignty, etc
Meanwhile muslim nation have actual population growth unlike western countries.
Proddies don't understand art or beauty
>>68146549
this
>>68145041
Population growth has always been highest amongst the dumbest people. It's no sign of pride honestly. Libertarians are wrong about plenty, but at least they don't kill on behalf of their awkwardly cobbled together sand mythology.
>>68146549
This is true.
>>68141785
this desu fampai
>>68146549
>>68147018
>>68140784
>not differentiating between Clapistanis and actual first world countries
>>68150435
>and actual first world countries
USA has a much higher average GDP and median income than the UK.
>>68150502
You have to be white, secular, non-obese, un-circumcised, and have a national average IQ of over 100 to be first world though
>>68150435
Isn't UK protestantism ''catholic''?
>>68150725
>and have a national average IQ of over 100
The average IQ of white America is actually slightly above their European counterparts. It's the much higher percentage of blacks that lowers it.
>>68150435
>>68150725
The term First World was literally invented to describe America in relation to the Soviet Union.
>>68150948
>muh outdated cold war definition
For first world read 'civilised'. A word which does not apply to Burgerland
>>68150895
And is that fact any less of a testament to how much of a shit country America is?
>>68138716
how does this prove that jesus was the son of god or that god even exists?
>>68151171
Actually yes. It implies that the shittiness is confined to certain black ghettos.
>>68133641
Nigger Ireland is the first country to legalise Gay marriage through referendum on Earth. And abortion SHOULD be illegal, stop talking smack about my country.
>>68151108
tumblr-tier mental gymnastics
>>68152039
It's going be legalised though.
A ferry trip to too inconvenient when they want to kill their babies.
