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Did Sauron actually die? his death wasn't explicitly shown
Can Sauron actually die?
>>68010587
Well no he can't actually die, he just cannot become anything more than a malevolent spirit hounding house anymore. Same thing with Saruman as well, at least in the books.
Similar ruleset as how "dead" demons in D&D just go back to their plane of origin
>>68010587
He is not dead, he just lost all of his powers, and can never again regain them,that is until Morgoth comes back from the void....
>>68010587
I'm sure Tolkien nerds can tell you the truth from the books, but film wise, he dead. Flaming lidless eye basically WAS Sauron in film.
God was changing the nature of the universe. Magical things could not persist within it. They would become "larger" until they were not even inside of it. Thing of a fish in a tank, but the water in the tank is slowly being drained out, eventually the first will occupy more area inside the tank than the water. And the fish will die.
The elves were leaving, to get onto their boats and fly into space, because if they persisted they would no longer be compatible with the world. The world would simply passed through them. Like smoke, as they spread out and got thinner and thinner. More and more spread out.
The Ring was a physical anchor that held Sauron to the world. Sauron is massively "powerful" and that means he occupies a lot of magical space. As the universe became less and less capable of containing him, he would simply disperse like all magical things eventually did (remember, Lord of the Rings is written as pre-historic fact). But that was the crux of it; The Ring. It could hold him in place. The world would not pass beyond him. He would, eventually, be the single most powerful entity within the world regardless of what God tried to do. There would be no elves, and no giant spiders and no talking eagles. They'd simple be something alien to the very nature of the universe. Sauron would still be there.
This is comparable, too, to the pages in a book. I could hand you a book with no words inside of it, and tell you that everything ever written is written in that very book, but that the font I used was so big, you're only seeing the blank space right before the first letter. The words would still be there, but you couldn't possibly see them.
The Ring, was keeping him tied to the material of the world.
With it destroyed, he didn't "explode" as it could be simplistically described. He sublimated.
>>68010767
So, you're saying Sauron was the good guy?
>>68010832
Nah, God (Eru) lets us die. Nothing magical in Lord of the Rings dies. It persists and persists and eventually grows so thin that is is a ghost. But then, even, it gets thinner and thinner. Spiritually. It never stops, it just gets weaker and weaker indefinitely. Yes, an Elf can die, but his spirit never gets to go back to where spirits come from.
Men do. Death is a gift.
Sauron wanted to keep everything the way Morgoth tried to do it. Morgoth wanted to be god, and got tied up and thrown outside of the universe. I think his head got chopped off, too. Sauron is not the good guy, but you could reasonably assess him as simultaneously misunderstood AND having been lead astray. Remember, Sauron, the Balrog, Gandalf and Saruman are all the same sort (species?) of entity.
He's not a good guy, he's got abandonment issues. And takes those out on the whole world.
>>68011028
Men don't die forever though, and come back with Ragnarök.
>>68010587
In the movie, yes he died when the ring was bestroyed.
In the book, no. Maiar can not "die". Sauron had his physical form destroyed many times and was able to come back when recharged by his patron, first Aule, then Morgoth. However, Sauron put a lot of his angelic power in the ring because it amplified it, and it required a good bit of power to rule over the three elven rings (humans are easy to corrupt because of their mortality, dwarves are impossible bend to his will). When the ring was destroyed, so was the power he put into the ring. Unlike before where he could just reform his physical form, Sauron lost too much power and instead can only exist on middle earth as a spectre, knocking over umbrella stands and giving people goosebumps, at worst.
>>68011028
Sorta...
The spirits of the Maia and Vala only decay when they turn evil, basically. Melkor was the strongest, but became one of the weakest because he poured all of his spirit into his works, like the dragons and orcs.
When Elves die they go to the Halls of Mandos to rest till the Dagor Dagorath.
Melkor was never decapitated, Tulkas just tied him up and threw him out of the Doors of Night.
>>68011028
>men die and go to [heaven]
What about the road of the dead though? These guys were clearly spirit-ish
>>68010832
Magic in Middle Earth resulted in cataclysmic wars which periodically decimated the populace and twice sank whole continents. Magic is bad for Men because we can't do shit with it.
>>68011218
one of kind situation basically, their curse was so strong it kept them on earth
>>68011258
Oath-breaking is the only unforgivable sin in the culture Tolkien was writing from, ghosts have to make it right first.
>>68011218
>>68011258
Numenorean magic.
>>68011248
>magic is bad for men because when an infinite army of angelic deities goes to war with an infinite army of corrupted angels and dragons the size of mountains the little guys get stepped on
which is why gandalf just used his staff as a torch and not a nuclear bomb launcher
>>68011281
>>68011293
But then why did Feanor and his sons get to go to the halls?
>>68011328
They're Elves.
Did Sauron actually live? He was in consistent non-corporeal form.
>>68011410
Angels don't live, they're either here or they aren't.
>>68011328
Special dispensation.
>>68011467
Feanor confirmed best elf of all time
Fingolfags stay mad
>>68011328
What about those elves captured by Morgoth and made into orcs but weren't quite orchish yet? There must've been several breeding generations between elf and orcs anyway? At what point of breeding generations did they not get to the Halls of Mandos anymore?
>>68010587
Still alive and managing a Cinabonn in Toledo.
>>68011961
Are we spit-balling sketch ideas for Robot Chicken?
>>68010767
>Like smoke, as they spread out and got thinner and thinner. More and more spread out.
Does that mean elves were originally super fat? Is that why Legolas' face is so puffy in the Hobbit?
>>68011912
I'd guess the point would be when an orc rapes an elf and it doesn't make a baby any more.
But orcs probably go somewhere when they die too, so whatevs
>>68011997
I wasn't but now that you mention it...
No. He's set to the void with his master Melkor where they'll wait until the end of days when Melkor will split the veil and return to the world in a ragnarok like event.
All he did was lose his physical form
His finger crumble to dust, so i think it's assumed his body does the same. Also he fucking explodes.
>>68012268
Canonically... elves cannot be raped. They die if you try. I mean, you can fuck the corpse, but they automatically die instead of getting raped.
>>68010587
Why didn't gandalf just use his magic to make a car and then drive to mordor?
>>68013737
God specifically told him (and the other "wizards") to not use magic to stop Sauron.
>>68013777
What an asshole.
