Will I ever see another animated film this epic? Or should I just give up now?
Akira comes close, it's definitely on par with it's animation and creativity, but it's story is less thematically coherent and the english dub is absolute gutter trash, all 3 versions.
When will something on the level of Princess Mononoke's greatness come out? Saw for the first time two years ago and I don't think it's just my favorite animated feature. I think it's my favorite film, period.
kys desu
Fuck dont people know how to keep things sacred?
>>67887529
LOL no
Watch Steamboy lad.
>>67887529
lol
>>67887567
whatchu mean niqqa? I cant talk bout princess cuckonoke?
>>67887585
faggot detected
>>67887587
>Steamboy
I watched a trailer and can't decide if it looks good. It looks pretty original for sure. I think I'll give it a chance. The dub sounded pretty acceptable too.
Still, I'm not very into steampunk. I love me some high fantasy.
Millenium Actress
Satoshi Kon in general is a better filmmaker than Miyazaki 2bh, even if I think Princess Mononoke is pretty gud
>>67887609
The movies fun, I like how it feels like mythology.
But cmon, its silly as fuck and the animation is horrendous. Not the art, but the animation. It's like 3 images per frame lol.
>>67887465
>>67887529
these are my two favorite anime movies.
I believe anime to be a dead median and it eclipsed back in the 90's or shortly after mononoke
>>67887646
>Millenium Actress
Okay THIS film looks like fire flame kush. Bout to blaze up the danky and watch this shit bruh. Bout to pack a brimmerrrrr of memes and blaze up de fiya to this film.
No but 2bh it looks amazing. ty
>>67887674
>making sweeping statements about how anime is a dead "median" when your favorite anime movie is Ninja Scroll
just stop, don't post anymore
>>67887693
get ready to fall asleep
fast
>>67887838
Not him, but can you name an anime film that came out in the last 6 years that wasn't moe shit or slice of life bullshit? Idk, I wouldn't say it's DEAD, but it's definitely waiting for somebody to breath fresh life into it.
>>67887887
Couldn't find it online anyway :/ gg
>>67887661
>But cmon, its silly as fuck and the animation is horrendous. Not the art, but the animation. It's like 3 images per frame lol.
You are full of shit, this has more fps than pretty much any anime airing in the last 10 years.
>>67887838
Why senpai you got some FOTM MEME MOE SLICE OF LIFE HARAM DIGITAL DRAWN shit for me?
Or maybe some western cartoons like kora where their budget evaporates by season 2 and i'm watching ytv in the 90's again ayyy.
>>67887587
>>67887639
Eeeh Steamboy is just Otomo wanking on iperdetailed mechanisms. The Story drags too long, could have been one hour shorter.
>>67887465
disappearance of haruhi suzumiya
>>67887465
Lots of great stuff.
>>67887465
watched this, spirited away, kiki, floating island one, and totoro just a few weeks ago for the first time
felt like i was a kid again. amazing films
>>67887465
"The forest is dead. All are lost now"
>Joe's theme plays
>still watching anime from 30 years ago
fucking americans have shit taste
>>67887465
Only animated film that matches up with Mononoke for me is Grave of The Fireflies.
>>67887465
Does Jimbo's Avatar count as animated? Also includes a mediocre 'muh treehuggers' plot with bland characters.
>>67888731
Add Legend of the Galactic Heroes for maximum patrician taste MEIN KAISER
>>67887465
Sorry OP but Akira gets a pass for simply trying to portray the metamorphosis of a man into a god.
Mononoke is a long boring chore until the ending.
>>67888731
Where can I find Tale of Tales?
>>67888880
I won't add it because it's weaker than all of those titles. Poor visual direction and really unsubtle exposition aren't my things.
>>67889041
I think you can torrent it. But even then it won't be better quality than what you'll find on youtube or dailymotion sadly.
>>67888975
"boring" is not a quality of a film, it's your experimence with it.
>>67887661
Fuck off. It's golden age Madhouse.
>>67887465
Royal Space Force and anything else made during the Japanese economy bubble, for starters.
>>67887887
>>67888975
Don't even bother trying to discuss movies if you can't sit through something like that without being bored.
>>67888731
Idk if I can trust this list. Evangelion is a truly the most overrated garbage I've seen. My friend who usually has awesome taste kept forcing me to watch it with him and I felt embarassed. All the fan service, all the forced romances, all the plot armor, all the "youre the chosen one" type plot devices that are so generic and weak. Especially the end of that new OVA where he just kind of... uses the power of his love to repair and give his mech a new OP arm? I cringed hard as fuck.
I couldn't find a single redeeming quality to the series other than the monster design. The way mechs work was pretty cool too. That's about it.
Is the rest of that list as cringy? Idk senpai.
satoshi kon of course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz49vQwSoTE
>>67889229
>I think you can torrent it. But even then it won't be better quality than what you'll find on youtube or dailymotion sadly.
I was asking because I couldn't find shit on torrent websites (or it's not seeded). But if it's not in good quality anyway I'll just watch it on youtube, thanks.
>>67889413
Your post makes me confused. Some of it makes me think you're just terrible at reading visual language and are misinterpreting things because you've seen only 4 episodes. But some things seem like pulled straight out of your ass and make me think you haven't seen it all.
>>67889413
God your criticisms are so fucking moronic. Sorry, but they are.
I thought Tales from Earthsea was really good. It was directed by the other Miyazaki though.
>>67887465
she's riding that wolf
>>67889869
It was shit m8, worse It was a stinking pile of shit if you'd read the source material.
>>67889413
>Especially the end of that new OVA where he just kind of... uses the power of his love to repair and give his mech a new OP arm?
What? Do you mean episode 19?
>>67889924
Actually I think reading the source material made me enjoy it somewhat more. I think I would have been lost without that.
>>67889979
which it completly butchers. Some people will talk about how badly Naussica was butchered, but this was done 10 times worse than it. Names might be the same, but outside a very general plot, nothing else is
>>67890044
You wanted it to be a straight forward adaptation? Books and films are different media, each with their own limits and attributes that don't translate as well. Especially when you have to adapt a four volume saga into a film.
>>67887465
>When will something on the level of Princess Mononoke's greatness come out?
Never, unfortunately.
>>67887587
Steamboy is good as purely an exercise in animation, the film's really pretty and the score's great too, but it is certainly no Princess Mononoke.
>>67887465
There are a few, but most animated films lack decent story telling and the character's reactions are over-exaggerated.
>>67890426
Nothing bad with exaggeration. Kurosawa and Fellini also had over emotional characters in their work. It's called stylization. Animation's strength is in how it's not limited by reality to the same extent live-action.
>>67889413
>new evangelion ova
What now?
Also, Utena is the single greatest thing to come out of Japan, but judging by your odd reasons for hating evangelion (plot armor?) I think you may not "get it", y'know? Like your going to watch it expecting something that it isn't and then get mad when it isn't the thing you expected, refusing to watch the work on its own terms.
>>67887465
nausicaa is bretty gud, senpai
>>67887465
Watch this op
>>67887646
Satoshi Kon is amazing. Paprika is a fantastic, vivid film that takes more than one watch to take it all in.
Wolf Children isn't as powerful as Princess Mononoke, but it is pretty good.
>>67889413
i think you're talking about the Rebuilds. they are a little bit shit, but the series is a fucking masterpiece m8. and the list clearly refers to the series.
>>67890907
recently watched Wolf Children and The Girl Who Leapt Through Time. While definetly not as epic as anything from Miyasaki, they were still quietly excellent and comfy as fuck
>>67889788
>>67889793
>>67890674
I detect weeaboos who like shitty fan fic tier romance.
A lot of disagreement with no substance to your reasoning. It's a cringy show. Sorry. Nothing deep or complex about it. Very simple, straight forward, and pretentious. Like your tastes.
Cringy shows for cringy autists. Enjoy.
>>67889788
>visual language
>in a show with a budget so low that several scenes are just a still image with the camera panning while theres a voice over
FOR SURE SENPAI 100
YOURE NOT PRETENTIOUS AT ALL SENPAI
TEACH ME ABOUT THE ART OF FILM PLZ
>>67891122
>shitty fan fic tier
>cringy
>pretentious
those are some great, complex arguments, son
>>67891178
Do you need an example? The very like second scene of him moving in with his rooomate (a part of the story that wasnt even necessary) theres a silly sexual tension and scenes of her coming out of the shower to talk to the main character. Why? It's literally so little boys like you can fap and get out some of your sexual frustration. Let me know when something relevant to character development happens. Yawn.
Is the scene from the first rebuild where he magically grows a new arm for his mech not in the original show? Because at that point it was full blown power rangers and it was clear that the writers will come up with anything they need to for when they write themselves into a wall. An absolute shit show of story telling.
>>67891178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RREpnkt4xaw
yup, it's cringy
I can't believe I sat next to another grown adult male and watched this. Literally embarrassing.
>>67889788
What was pulled out the ass?
Here's a little taste of the immaturity and absolute absurdity of the story telling in this mindless self indulgent horror show that makes all anime look bad
https://youtu.be/NPozvc75PoE?t=127
>>67891270
>>67891346
>>67891522
Don't respond to this, just let the thread die.
>>67887899
Does anything made by Ghibli or Hosoda count as not "moe shit or slice of life bullshit"? Fuck off.
>>67891554
Yikes, scared to face that you're a man child with shit taste? I gave 3 examples. You're a loser if you over the age of 16 and you watch this shit with a straight face. It's a child's cartoon.
There isn't even a consistency to the visual design. What is the practicality of having neon green lights all over their expensive mechs that are protecting their planet from armageddon? They should be built 100% of function, why are they aesthetically absurd? The entire universe of this show is just nonsense. It's masturbation material for 15 year old boys. Enjoy yourself though, by all means. You weirdos need to stop pushing it onto normal human beings with normal human being values and interests.
What about Berserk
>>67888731
love how none of the patrician animated movies except for beautiful day were made in america
>>67891554
wen u liek children's cartoons but u gotta pretend they something else
new meme senpai
>>67891554
Lmao.
>>67889229
>I won't add it because it's weaker than all of those titles. Poor visual direction and really unsubtle exposition aren't my things.
Pretty much. It's the go to title for wannabe patricians who want to show off how mature and sophisticated they are.The most legitimately patrician anime series is actually Sailor Moon.
>>67891709
Comes no where close in the animation department. Story telling, music, and dub are pretty close though. It's my favorite manga. It had no where near the budget Princess Mononoke had so it's not even fair to compare.
>>67891554
>don't respond to this
>responds to this
wait wut
>/tv/ talks about anime
bow to your senpai you fucking plebs
>>67890789
I actually liked Nausicaa better than Mononoke
>>67891782
back to your containment board
>>67891846
I feel like I could have, but it's so similar to Mononoke and I saw mononoke first, so it was like watching an older version of the same great thing. Also I prefer the music in Mononoke.
Nausicaa IS fantastic though. I dont necessarily disagree with anyone who likes it more. I do like how nature isn't portrayed as INHERENTLY good in nausicaa, where in Mononoke it's a little preachy about how amazing nature is. Naussicaa kind of gives you something to chew on.
I don't know though, I think I like the characters a lot more in mononoke.
>>67891782
Because there are rules against talking about animated films and tv shows here, right?
>>67891863
Fight me bro
>>67887646
My favourite Kon kino. It always makes me choke up. The score is perfect.
Princess Mononoke has LOTR tier music score.
I said it.
>>67887529
A classic of camp, good show. "DON'T THINK I WON'T FUCK A DEAD GIRL!"
>>67891936
>I said it
Is that supposed to be controversial? The Legend of Ashitaka is better than any track from the LOTR score.
>>67891953
>A classic of camp
Eh, I never thought of it that way. I mean it is campy, but it's not really stupid enough to be 'fun' in that way, it's just a fairly standard action movie.
Why is Evangelion so bad though?
>>67891987
We probably have different notions of what camp is. Which is fine.
>>67892025
Because it's a really, genuinely depressing show with a fanbase who actually sees it as something with an ultimately positive life lesson somehow, though they don't bother heeding that themselves.
>>67892046
I mean, something doesn't necessarily have to be dumb itself to be camp, but it does have to be off kilter enough to work.
>>67892088
How does that make it bad?
>>67887465
Ayyo fampai, Princess Mononoke is fantastic stuff but also real entry level.
Wings of Honneamise is where it's at with animated kino. Great animation and designs along with a real interesting story that gets more interesting with subsequent viewings thanks to a Shrek-tier layered protagonist and plot subtleties all over the place. English dub is also incredibly solid.
>>67890290
>4 volume saga
It was only the main plot of the 3rd with charcters from the 4th slapped in for other reason than to force "romance". It was a shit adaptation with no subtlety.
The film adaptation with the freezer guy from Xmen, and Lana lane from smallville was comprehensivly better than this, despite suffering from the same mistakes of merging 2 of the books together.
Its not an easily adaptable source material, but that doesn't excuse poor adaptions
>>67892138
I think The Ninja Scroll's camp because it contains so many attempts to be serious and shocking it just gets impossible to take seriously. The most camp anime I know of is Angel Cop because of how it never *stops* trying to be like that and ends up squeezing something hilariously silly into almost every single scene.
(I'd enjoy 'em a lot less if they didn't, which probably says everything necessary about me.)
>>67892025
Because it's a pootly written pretentious show that decided to use uses controversial imaginery to be notable instead of good writing,
>>67887465
You won't because these are simpler times for simpler people. Every faction in this movie is completely justified in what they are doing and so no one is a bad guy, modern movie goers don't like that. The ending is bittersweet and ambiguous, also something modern watchers don't like. Doubly so on these points for anime fans, since they are naturally the simplest of all people.
>>67888731
>Steven Universe and Adventure Time
What kind of tumblr idiot made this shit?
>>67892537
There are no good western cartoons other than the maxx. Everything else on that list, not just the two you mentioned, is reaching.
>>67892498
Maybe try reading a bit about Anno and the history of Gainax, then watch all of Gainax's major works that precede Eva, then watch it again.
People aren't still talking about eva because 'lolcrosses2deep.' Eva's got all time top-tier waifus, incredibly slick designs and direction and tells a very tight and intricate story which is at the same time a personal one about Anno himself and a statement directed towards his entire audience as a whole.
>>67892505
>Every faction in this movie is completely justified in what they are doing and so no one is a bad guy
That's not true though, the dude who takes the god's head is totally an ass. Even then I felt the movie tried too hard to actively justify everyone else's actions and came off as overly neutral.
>>67892897
Memes aside, it is totally fair to criticize its writing, which honestly is overrated by the fans in general. Eva absolutely lives and dies by the sound and visuals rather than the actual dialog, which really isn't a strength of the show. The characters aren't particularly great either aside from the verisimilitude of their hangups.
>>67887465
Spirited Away.
>>67888731
Yellow Submarine is pretty bad actually. I mean, I can respect its historical significance and I do like the visuals, but it's so dated and the plot is so boring. It aged like milk.
>>67887465
The other Hime. Kaguya.
Best Ghibli in 10 years.
>>67887465
this movie is so good, truly 10/10
>>67891974
Nothing is better than Lighting the beacons.
>>67887674
There's Flying Spaghetti Monster on that picture
>>67887529
Americans always mention this trash from back when they had like 5 different anime VHS tapes at best in their large collections. Ninja Scrolls is shit, Battle Angel Alita is shit, DBZ is shit, and the list goes on
>>67893031
It's totally fair to praise it as well. It's got great puzzle-like dozed exposition, lots of visual storytelling. The characters are presented us both through dialogue, but we learn to doubt this through their actions and these aspects may be totally subverted through the scenes with visualized streams of consciousness later in the series.
If you look at just the dialogue it might be lacking, the strength of Eva is in how it utilizes all the aspects of the medium it was conveyed in.
It's similar with its thematic presentation, it's exposed to us through every aspect of the work. The characters, story, setting, visuals and atmosphere itself.
>>67891890
>where in Mononoke it's a little preachy about how amazing nature is
Really I thought nature was portrayed pretty truthfully and the people were very sympathetic.
