>There will never be a proper Cthulu movie
Why?
because lovecraft is overrated shit
A proper Cthulhu movie would be pretty crazy.
>>67867816
The type of slow building horror it requires isn't commercial enough. Plebs just want jump scares.
Cause it's retarded childhood nightmares of muh "what's out there" written by an autist.
What's that Lovecraft story about the underwater sea-creature civilization that's like planning to attack the surface or some shit?
One of my friends was drunkenly trying to explain it to me and it sounded creepy as fuck.
Here OP I wrote the movie for you. It is a horror movie with a noir detective story feel and hard R violence
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Scene 1: lady anthropologist is living with friendly Eskimos and enjoying herself, we think this is another kind of Hollywood liberal story about how Indians are so wise and kind...but then it becomes apparent that she's alone miles from civilization with a bunch of Cthulu worshippers and everyone in her party is raped, skinned, sacrified but our main character escapes
Scene 2: NOLA detective investigating what seems like normal murders comes upon the Cthulu voodoo cult sacrifies in the bayou, forced to witness a horrible scene of their rites, can't make arrests because it seems higher-ups are involved, but wants answers
Scene 3: our lady anthropologist and man detective find each other because they both want to understand what happened to them, they meet our Miskatonic University professor who explains his theories and points them in the direction of the Pacific Ocean because he believes Cthulu is about to surface, together all 3 head out on a ship to investigate the island
Scene 4: Our characters are on a shitty freighter heading to the location of the island when their ship breaks. A passing freighter offers to help them...but it turns out its actually cultists going to welcome their God. Heroes witness horrifying spectacle of orgiastic cult rites on the ship, hull full of slave people being used for human sacrifices. Eventually they escape when cultists start in-fighting because of too much bloodlust & take the ship. Professor guy is wounded
Scene 5: Alone & drifting on the hulk full of bodies, they see Cthulus island, & see him moving in the dim darkness; perspective shots show him huge compared to tiny light of the ship before he returns underwater. Prof gives last warning & dies. End
wtf is a Cthulu
>>67867816
Hellboy 2 was already made
>>67867911
They could angle it as a disaster movie
>>67867816
1. They don't work visually since they rely on stuff being indescribable or maddening just by lookin at it
2. They're all short stories that need a load of filler to be feature-length
>>67867911
This. Lovecraftian horror will never be catered to by movie because it's not as easy to produce as "boo! ft. scary face", when the latter is guaranteed to reel in money.
>>67867994
Sounds terrible with a true detective rip off thrown in
>>67868056
There's enough material in the call of chthulhu story for a film.
>>67868056
This.
>What do the creatures look like?
>They're...no! It's too horrible to describe.
Then we get a movie where they never show shit, and nobody in hollywood would greenlight that.
>>67868194
Yeah remember clover field never happened
Near impossible to film and it wouldn't translate well to movies.
>>67867994
Or you could just follow the events in the story, the main character going through his relatives notes with flashbacks to the events described would probably be the best way to handle it.
>>67867816
It'll be JL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MUzvASr8s
>>67867816
>>67867911
>>67867983
>>67868056
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>>67868220
It's not like you can't just take Jaws, replace each time 'Shark' is said with 'Strange Monster' and Photoshop Cthulu over Jaws every time he shows up and have the perfect Cthulu movie.
>mfw I'm kidding.
>mfw I'm still right
>>67868056
Wasn't the whole "too horrible to describe" added on by that guy whos last name begins with an E?
Jesus, just do it straight, if it's too indescribable to witness just don't show the monster, just the effects on people, etc.
We've got tons of generic monster movies already.
Could be great if they did it right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QFwo57WKwg
3D would actually be perfect for all the non-Euclidean geometry of R'lyeh
>>67868575
You clearly have never read Cthulu or have no idea what it's about
>>67867853
>>67868865
>read cthulu
jesus kid, you can't even spell cthulhu right much less name the author
>>67867816
>forgetting about this
https://youtu.be/XHuY2wXTd0o
>>67868865
>Don't show the shark till the last 30 minutes
Still waiting to be proven wrong.
>>67869141
Oh yeah, that was good, trying to remember when I watched it though...
>>67869003
Its Alfred Hitchcock you fucking fag
>>67867816
Someone should make a movie out of Soggoth on the Roof.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFzdIaBnckg
>>67869440
It was W.B. Debois you dip.
Idk about a straight up lovecraft adaptation, but something that feels like a product of it is gud enough.
>>67869564
NOT ENOUGH JUMP SCARES AND CGI MONSTERS DUDE
>>67867983
Shadow over Innsmouth I think. Good shit that one.
>>67869608
>Shadow over Innsmouth
That's it anon. Many thanks.
Subtlety isn't something the average horror film goer wants.
The only people that would go to a proper Cthulhu movie would wear Lovecraft merchandise or steampunk outfits, use memes in real life, and call the movie boring.
>>67869782
What's this webm from?
was this lovecraftian enough? I kinda liked this movie desu
>>67869805
Hellboy or Babylon 5 maybe?
>>67869821
Eh, not really. Many of the things in Lovecraft stuff is there, but the tone is all wrong.
>>67868194
> The creatures are indescribable!
If he doesn't describe them then how do we know what most of them look like?Hint: Because he describes them
Just got to choose the right story is all.....At the Mountains of madness is almost the inspiration for "The Thing" with some cosmic lore thrown in, The Shadow over Innsmouth has more action than most of his stories and Cthulhu wouldn't be bad to see on screen if they did it right.
Did everyone just forget about this?
>>67869981
I haven't
I actually liked it...
>>67869564
reminded me of Mountains of Madness
>>67869981
I thought of it instantly, but the production values are too low for my taste. I'm saying that, but stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7jp1CT1h6c
is really good for some reason.
"The Whisperer in Darkness" 2011 was pretty good though. Same people that made The Call of Cthulhu:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOL48Fe2sew
http://www.cthulhulives.org/HPLHSPress/PressIndex.html
http://www.cthulhulives.org/Whisperer/index.html
This one is a breddy gud short film:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=45O-GAi0gNw
>>67868220
Cloverfield was barely Lovecraftian.
>>67869981
>>67870266
>>67870284
thanks guys. Now I know what to watch this night
>>67869805
A Record of Sweet Murder, by Koji Shiraishi, noted for Noroi and Grotesque.
This movie, along with Occult and Cult (to a far far lesser extent, Shirome), feature Koji Shiraishi's concept of eldritch horrors. In Occult and Cult the viewer is given hints to a sort of interdimensional jihad, taking place amongst these horrors from beyond, to which Earth has fallen victim to by proxy. These two videos, like Noroi and much of Koji's work, are low budget, terrible effects utilizing mockumentaries (a style that goes well with Japan's supernatural and spoopy investigation television). These two movies have subs and can be enjoyed, if you should desire (You have to really not mind the feel of Noroi)
Record of Sweet Murder is a large leap from Koji's body of work, this is a movie wherein he not only has crossed over to direct for overseas, but he's been allowed to experience what it means to have a budget. The horrors are background noise as they are in Occult and Cult, but we are presented with a far different side to these unknowable intellects. Unfortunately given that this movie is in both Korea and Japanese, we won't see this subbed in our lifetime.
As for Shirome.It's about a bukkake god that desires to become a japanese idol singer One can interpret the events of the movie as the reason for why one of the members of this J-pop group has since departed.
>>67867816
It's not the type of horror that does well as film. Or at least not as horror film. Lovectaft's horror largely derives from the anxiety of understanding how insignifacant we are in the universe. That's a feeling you can achieve in movies, but it's better suited for dramas than horror.
>>67867983
>One of my friends was drunkenly trying to explain it to me and it sounded creepy as fuck
thats funny, the same thing actually happend within this story. Btw, I think Shadow Over Innsmouth would make a better movie than Call Of Cthulhu
>>67868044
they had cameos of elder ones in it, didnt they?
this was fairly Lovecraftian, ironically based on the Stephen King book
>>67867816
it's because people are faggots who:
1. will never consider what cthulhu is
2. can never consider what cthulhu is
3. will never entertain the idea of cthulhu
4. can never realize what cthulhu is
5. will never grasp cthulhu's true horror
people will make their memes and poor assumptions as to what he may appear as or what deeds he need completing. the world will look upon his jade figurines and not know it is destiny they gaze upon.
they cannot grasp cthulhus true form.
all you mongrels are deserving to be destroyed by him, dagon, and the deep ones.
nothing will save you now except the call of cthulhu.
>>67870664
>Lovectaft's horror largely derives from the anxiety of understanding how insignifacant we are in the universe
I think thats why you would need to mix it with sci-fi. On could argue, that Alien and Event Horizon or Solaris had Lovecraftian themes. Also, I love how space itself can evoke both feelings of awe and terror at the same time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQLQkG64IKU
>>67870711
why do these people think "oh monsters out of nowhere that i can't see" is somehow lovecraftian?
try to read a book for once
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>>67868220
I wish it never happened.
>>67871028
idiot
>>67871087
Did you miss the part where his head grows back as if nothing had even happened?
Cthulhu can be set back temporarily, but he cannot be killed permanently.
>>67871028
but lovecraft was an overrated and memetastic mediocre pulp author senpai. Read Algernon Blackwood, William Hope, Robert Chambers, Rudyard Kipling, and even Joseph Conrad if you want proper horror.
>>67870266
The Shadow Out of Time was pretty cool albeit cheesy as fuck. Thanks for the link anon
>>67867816
The best we were likely to get was the Guillermo del Toro-directed adaptation of "At the Mountains of Madness" which is already not happening iirc
>>67871179
Heart of darkness is pretty spooky desu
I've read like 10 Lovecraft stories and they're all shitty as fuck safe for Mountains of Madness and that one with ayys besieging some poor fucks house.
>tfw Japs do lovecraft stuff better than memethulu obsessed westerners
Because lovecraft was a racist shitlord. Thats why.
>>67867816
>Too nihilistic
>No love interest
>Depressing Ending
>Confusing framing device
It's the same reason we'll never get an adaptation of At the Mountains of Madness. The studios have a formula for what will make money at the box office and Lovecraft's work doesn't fit the paradigm. The closest well ever get is stuff like From Beyond and Reainimator.
>>67871380
>>67871409
just no
>>67871408
yeah, japs are pretty great when it comes to portrayals of weird stuff
>>67867816
You gotta do small
Pickmans' Gallery and the like. short stories
>muh Cthulhu
No thanks
>>67867994
Are you in the Screenwriting threads? Because if everyone else in there is at this skill level, you're all wasting your lives.
>>67867816
Couldn't be made because Lovecraft is a build up of horror with things you mostly don't see. If this were a movie Cthulhu would rise up, probably make some weird "I'M GOING TO DESTROY THE WORLD SO YOU DON'T MISTAKE MY MOTIVES" speech or just crash around New York or something so you know it's SERIOUS BUSINESS.
It just wouldn't work and it wouldn't be Lovecraft. He knew the things you don't see are scarier than the things you do.
>>67871514
>we'll never get an adaptation of At the Mountains of Madness
I think that one is pretty straight forward. Would make a great movie without the need to change too much.
>>67871340
Lovecraft be like:
>you see that barrel?
>what if we- what if we put tentacles on it?
>and eyes at the end of the tentacles?
>spooky, right?
>but wait, there's more.
>what if this beer barrel can- beer barrel can fly?
>we put wings on them! Spooked now? Still no? Ok.
>you like penguins, right? Well they eat penguins! Large penguins I tell you?
>and.. they are v- they are also sensitive from sunlight
> Amazing right? A vampire flying beer barrel with tentacly eyes that eat giant penguins!
Lovecraft is weird.
>>67871645
care to elaborate? some actual criticism?
>>67871665
but they are great
>>67870751
Kek
>>67871665
They're not exactly supposed to be "spooky" but otherworldly whereas the Shoggoth's (?) they created are supposed to be quite terrifying in an Xenomorph + The Thing kind of way.
>>67871409
Kill yourself.
>>67867816
i think it would be difficult in the year twenny sixteen for a movie studio to commit to an IP set up by a race realist.
>>67872387
Tolkien has had multiple movies though
>>67868053
Then it would suck
>>67871179
>Read Algernon Blackwood, William Hope, Robert Chambers, Rudyard Kipling, and even Joseph Conrad if you want proper horror.
>>67871532
>>67871408
They eat a lot of seafood.
>>67867816
I rather it be an investigative series with some character becomeing insane here and there because they get to see yogsototh.
>>67868077
Ehhh, I think Innsmouth could easily be tailored into that kind of a movie.
>>67867816
I've never been a fan of horror films really, but I'd welcome more properly spooky/mysterious/occult/lovecraftian stuff, I loved that aspect of True Detective even though it didn't really amount to much
>>67869981
This shit is really great and honestly the closest you'll ever get to a faithful adaptation of the story.
>>67867816
Because Lovecraft's stories relied on horrors that were left to the reader to imagine. Sights and forms that did not obey euclidean geometry, and that defied our concept of spacial possibility to the point that it would drive the viewer insane. You cannot do justice in film to the idea of witnessing a shape that simply cannot exist in a 3d plane, and whose mere presence is enough to fracture your mind to the point of killing you.
More than that, his stories require too much psychological horror to be well adapted, especially given the propensity for today's audiences to be turned off by anything they deem to be "too complicated". If it doesn't have jump scares, or devolve into mindless torture porn, the average viewer will want nothing to do with it. I'm not even sure if there is a director currently alive that could truly appreciate Victorian horror, as evidenced by the fact that essentially every adaptation from Frankenstein to Dracula has largely been schlock that relies too heavily on gore and sex.
>>67870266
haha someone posted that vid in another thread and I loved it would love to watch a series of that guys adaptations for weird novels or short stories.
>>67870938
thats great
>>67871087
not at all. how retarded
>>67867816
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1747501/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1751797/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1759387/
>>67873920
/thread
>>67867845
Take that back!
>>67867911
>>67867911
Correct.
Mood, tension and buildup don't translate well to film sometimes or rather most people won't get it.
>>67871179
Pretentious twat
>>67871179
>>67867845
>>67867960
>its poupular, so its bad
>>67867816
because you literally cannot conceive cthulu
>>67870266
The Shadow Out of Time was freaking great.
Just make a Bloodborne movieor animated series
>>67870711
>ironically based on the Stephen King book
It's not that strange when you consider that King has said that Lovecraft was the single greatest influence on him. His stories are the reason King became a horror author.
>>67867816
Because it's a ridiculous mythology created by an insane closet case homosexual.
>>67867816
because you can;t make a "proper" movie out of:
>no heroes
>"dude it's too complex for me to even describe it, and you'll go crazy lmao"
>>67868044
You mean the first one, that was the one with the elder gods in space.
Honestly, I would love to see a high-fantasy movie with a shitload of action and unique creatures.
Think about it. Yes, it might be heavy on cgi, but if its done right (no bloom, no motion blur, no fucking Hobbit mess), it will look pretty damn amazing.
Basically I just want to see an epic fantasy movie with a great cast, great 'spells', great setting, great cinematography, etc...
>>67868911
This meme is hilarious
I remember a movie where some geologists find some enormous tentacles in the earth causing earthquakes.
Forgot the name tho
>>67883295
>______
A great lovecraftian movie with modern technology woud be very possible. It's never gettiñ made because Lovecraft was an utter racist and antisemite and all major studios are boykotting his material.
>>67884198
>implying negros don't lay eggs
>>67872981
Innsmouth's been done a couple times with decent results.
>>67879796
>oedon & friends
People who make these threads are people that have lost their imaginations. I feel bad for you guys. His stories don't need human validation or answers. You've read an author from the 1940's for a reason. His stories got passed down and read because he is so good. Everything's so connected now that instead of having a drunk conversation with a friend or enjoying his stories alone one night you make dumb fuck threads on a Guatemalan claymation forum asking why they haven't been made into movies. Use your fucking imagination and remember what it was like to be a kid again
BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A FOUND FOOTAGE MOCKUMENTARY AND NOBODY LIKES THOSE ANYMORE.
anyone have the cthulu webd with the weird noises and flashing black and white?
>>67867845
first post best post
>>67867816
The concept of horror is dead. It's the concept of cthulhu tgats scary. The idea that we are so insignificant and being greater than us. What we usually get is a monster movie. A lot focus on the macabre rituals and tentacle god as scary.
>>67871574
Pickman's Model would make a perfect short film
The Tomb, The Festival, The Music of Erich Zann... They all would make for perfect short films or movies
>>67871179
>calling an author memetastic for being popular
>using memetastic
>proper horror.
Wew lad
>>67867845
This desu
Theres an okay dunwich horror.
But an outer limits short of cool air would ve awesome. Or the statement of Randolph carter would be a good short.
A good one would be the colour out of space
Alright EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Here's what it should be like, by and large:
1- it needs to be a mockumentary. This is absolutely critical, because lovecraftian horror is based on forcing the reader to figure out the implications of the fucked-up things he read about, and that's EXACTLY what the protagonist of TCoC does, he just reads about stuff and talks to people, then gets more and more spooked as he figures everything out. So the movie would have to adopt the same perspective, and make the plot progress through documents, expert interviews, dubious witness accounts, and found footage (I know that term triggers you but it's exactly what half of the stuff in the story would translate to). It'd have to be a paranormal investigation documentary where all the supernatural shit is shown indirectly.
2- it needs to have an anthropological aspect. One of the scary things about the story is the implication that our legends and myths are indirectly based on the cult of the Great Old Ones. There needs to be some comparative cultural studying
3- it needs to be parsimonious and subtle with the supernatural stuff. Not show too many things, not explain us absolutely everything. If necessary, make it a little incoherent and fragmentary, to suggest that the guy who made it never had the time to finish it properly. Not only to preserve an element of mystery but also because the more you explicitly state things, the more ridiculous they seem.
Basically make it a mixture of The Conspiracy and Ancient Aliens but less cheesy.
NOT a monster flick. NOT an adventure movie. NOT a disaster movie. And NOT a horror movie in the conventional sense of the term.
>>67885479
>it needs to be a mockumentary
I don't know why you think anyone will read past this.
>>67885593
Because it's so painfully obvious that anyone who hasn't considered it yet would feel stupid for not thinking about it earlier.
>>67885644
So you actually think someone will read your whole post.
>>67885680
So you actually think there's any other way to do the story justice than by making a mockumentary out of it?
Let's hear it.
>>67873008
I'm the same as you anon, I think a lot of people on here share that pretence, which is why a lot of people enjoyed Twin Peaks.
>>67885745
>So you actually think there's any other way to do the story justice than by making a mockumentary out of it?
I'm calling you stupid and you respond by hallucinating words.
>>67885479
I'd personally prefer a more serious take than a " mockumentary" but the whole journalism aspect hopefully without shakey cam would probably be one of the better ways to translate Lovecraft to the silver screen, however the public are for the most partplebsand they simply wouldn't get it and think that the subtlety is boring. Subsequently, it wouldn't sell and film adaptations for the genre would be immediately snuffed out. Everyone else in this thread is right
>Hurr Durr muh jump scares
is all the people want
>>67869003
>you can't even spell cthulhu right
cthullhu doesn't have a correct spelling
>>67885745
Do what the black and white film did a couple of years ago and follow the story as is, using the visuals as the filler in the flashbacks to get it to a decent running time.
don't mind me i'm just the best lovecraftian movie
>>67885774
What would be a more serious take on it?
No, seriously, what would be more serious? A monster flick?
>>67885771
So you actually think you're not in the wrong here.
Wow.
>>67885774
The Witch did well.
You could do a good Mountains of Madness, Color out of Space, or fuck, even a collection of short films featuring shit like Pickman's Model or Rats in the Walls.Or just make a new movie that borrows heavily from Lovecraft. As long as its done well I'd be fine with it.
>>67885796
>follow the story as is
here's the thing, it's not a story per se. It's a condensed account of an anthropologist's research.
The narrative thread is NOT the order of things as they happened, it's the progression of the author's own investigation.
>>67885834
No.There's one that's way way way better, but it's not explicitly based on Lovecraft so if I tell you which one it is, it's gonna spoil you the twist.
>>67885991
The black and white movie did it well, I am sure you can find it somewhere (Considering it is only a couple of years old) and it is probably what I want from a Call of Cthulhu movie (Only with better production values)
>>67885479
>it needs to be a mockumentary
no
>anthropological aspect
half yes
>it needs to be parsimonious
absolutely no
>>67886047
Spoiler it then.
>>67886047
>this one is a lot better but i can't tell you which one it is
>>67867816
They should do a romcom ctuhulu movie
>>67886069
I watched it twice already. It's a cool monster flick but it's only as good as that genre allows it to be; which is to say not as good as a paranormal investigation mockumentary that would follow the same source material.
And it's also cheesy as fuck, so I don't know where you're coming from calling it "more serious".
>>67868013
This should answer all your questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kQuMVffbWA
craftkino coming through
>>67886077
Oh so you want Godzilla but with spooky cults and a squid monster then.
>>67886085
>>67886099Possession
>>67886130
I'm a different anon that was arguing the serious stuff. If someone said they would make a Call of Cthulhu movie, I would've imagined that but better production value and more eldritch horror visuals with better acting and a tighter script.
>>67885862
A generic monster flick would be an insult if anything not that I'm slamming your idea but if I had my way, if anything the movie would seem more like an adventure that just happened to be creepy as hell through the influence of cult of the elder ones. Ending with not necassarily Chuthulu but some intesne but fleeting contact with a/the old great one(s). District 9 is a good example, it went from archive footage to just plain story telling at the end; something mildly similar to that would stop the movie becoming hokey. Cloverfield was crap not because of the context but the ridiculous shakey cam all the way through which for me, ruined the movie. would've been fine otherwise.
>>67885834
That's not how you spell In The Mouth Of Madness and The Thing!
>>67886130
Every time you say mockumentary, the world gets a little more bleak.
>>67886167
>girl rapes gay guy
This isn't my Lovecraft.
>>67886167
>it's a family drama with Cthulhu's name slapped on it
>>67886176
no, i just think that your idea of a good cthulhu is shit
i want a movie that's more in the style of neonomicon
the pulp nature of most of Lovecraft's stories lends itself more to short episodes, Twilight Zone style, than feature length films.
>>67886181
>A generic monster flick would be an insult
The Thing shits all over what you described
>>67886242
What's all this then?
>>67884198
When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.
Based.
>>67885941
Bloodborne is a pure love letter to Lovecraft and it's a fantastic game on top of that.
If you crave for good Lovecraft stuff buy a PS4 and get this title. You will not regret it.
Now this might sound like fucking shilling to you, but I just want you guys to experience it.
>>67886289
You are preaching to the choir, my friend. I platinumed it last year, still play it all the time. Easily my favorite game this gen.
>>67886289
I'm seconding this opinion.
>>67886184
I know that the word itself sounds dumb but if you let that prevent you from being right by agreeing with me, you're what makes the world bleak.
>>67886181
So you're suggesting just using found footage as an aesthetic gimmick rather than to stay true to the short story's format?
>>67886180
yes but it would fail to transcribe how lovecraftian horror works.
Why do you think that all of his horror stories were written from the first person, and contained as many little historical details as possible to make them plausible?
Lovecraft wrote the equivalent of found footage horror. Turning his stories into a spectacle is bound to be underwhelming.
>>67886274
>Prometheus made too many animals so he had to turn some of the animals into people
>their souls were still animal
Well, shit.
>>67886243
Because that's visual body horror *see The Fly. Lovecraftian mythos isn't about body horror. The Charm comes from subtlety and leaving it to the reader to piece together. Lots of gore and little else would miss the point of Lovecraft
>>67886242
Not true at all. Most movie scripts have the length of his short stoires like Rats in the Walls or Under the Pyramids. If anything they are absolutely perfect for film adaptions.
Hollywood exects just don't consider them feasible.
>>67886242
What this guy said.
The best way to do a Lovecraft movie would be an anthology/multiple tales type thing. Use his shorter stories like The Music of Eric Zahn
Frankly Lovecraft's cosmic horror is his most droll work
When he deals in the more mundane uncanny, he pulls off better storytelling
>>67886224
kek
>>67886243
The Thing is not lovecraftian horror.
Lovecraftian horror is NOT spooky shapeless alien blobs, that shit was already popular before him.
>>67886345
>Lovecraft wrote the equivalent of found footage horror
The first person narration made Shadow Over Innsmouth way, way creepier towards the end.
>>67886391
>droll
that word doesn't mean what you think it does
>>67886345
>all of his stories are written in first person
Dunwich horror from what I remembered wasn't first person. I am pretty sure colour out of space wasn't as well, don't quote me on that.
>>67886383
It was done already and it was pretty lame
>>67886404
You're right, I meant dull
It's 3:30 in the morning here, give me a break
>>67886345
Precisely. Lovecraft just ins't quite right for movies. If you wanted ANY kind of audience you'd have to use cheap hollywood gimmicks to get even a small audience. Even then the story telling would be too complex for the majority to fully grasp, assuming they're interested in the first place.
>>67886393
>The Thing is not lovecraftian horror.
Sure thing, random anon. Completely believe you.
>>67884932
What he said
>>67886401
Exactly. Same with The Call of Cthulhu, it's spooky because you're forced to adopt someone's very limited perspective on something that completely overwhelms him.
Using a third-person perspective in a movie (like in the indie adaptation) can't translate that well.
>>67886406
That's true, the color wasn't.
>>67886358
I could see a good 90 minute Rats in the Walls movie being feasible.
1. in the mouth of madness
2. the thing
3. from beyond
4. re-animator
5. a color out of space
6. the mist
7. Dagon
8. a record of sweet murder
>>67867816
Because filmmakers forgot how to create horror without showing it, which lovecratian horror is all about.
On a B-Movie scale though, Into the mouth of madness was quite good imho.
>>67886454
Who said it needs to be a major production? You're so bound by your "big hollywood horror disaster movie with monsters" idea that you didn't even consider the possibility of making it a smaller budget thing that would have a format truer to the story.
That would be a proper CoC movie.
>>67886460
Have you even read a decent amount of his stories?
Were you seriously spooked only by the body horror?
Always these threads. Oh well, I'll say it again. There needs to be a proper Charles Dexter Ward film that is true to the source material.
>>67886502
I think the Re-Animator film is great in the campy sort of way.
>>67886554
now that would be cool
>>67886418
What movie?
>>67886575
i agree
>>67886550
Nigga just shut the fuck up, The Thing is and always will be a Lovecraftian horror movie. Are you also one of those retards who bitch about Re-animator and The Mist being described that way?
>make proper cthulhu movie
>movie audience goes mad
Great idea homeslice.
>>67886554
>There needs to be a proper Charles Dexter Ward film
YES BUT THEY WILL NEVER DO IT
>>67886587
forgotten the title already, the only noteworthy thing was that it only had practical effects. But really it was a glorified Goosebumps anthology.
>DUDE IMAGINE THE SCARIEST THING EVER
>IT'S WORSE THAN THAT LMAO
>>67871087
didn't die, just made him go back to sleep
you can only kill elder gods in the dreamworld
>>67886611
But if this actually happened it would be True Kino.
>>67886605
Re-Animator isn't lovecraftian horror either. It's a horror movie based on one of Lovecraft's least lovecraftian stories.
You need to understand that the primary working of lovecraftian horror is NOT spooky monsters, it's hidden knowledge.
>>67871087
JOSTLED BY A NAUTICAL-LOOKING NEGRO
>>67886642
Anyone that says this hasn't actually read H.P. Lovecraft.
Dunwich Horror, Call of Cthulhu and Reanimator did have very good description on what was happening.
>>67886525
Not at all. If we're open to the idea of a small screening for fans of the genre then we could do absolutely everything by the book. I'm talking from a perspective that tries to in-cooperate a bigger audience because the genre is sadly undervalued. I never said "disaster movie with monsters". Intense doesn't have to mean crash boom, down falls the empire state. I said intense and fleeting contact with the old ones. Like you weren't supposed to see them at all. That last I checked was the quintessential Lovecraft. Humans not supposed to know or simply lacking the capacity to understand.
>On a side note this is a wonderful debate, thanks anon
>>67886678
>hidden knowledge
Which is what Herbert West used to raise the dead.
>>67886678
Thanks for yet again proving that you don't know what you're talking about. Just because you're twisting the definition of lovecraftian horror to suit your purpose does not make it true.
>>67886713
This brings me back to the fact that in order to do the "story" justice, it needs to be a mockumentary instead of a spectacle, no matter how low-key and serious, because the story isn't a spectacle either.
The format matters just as much as every other aspect of the execution.
>>67886757
Junji Ito intensifies.
>>67886678
>it's hidden knowledge.
YOU MEAN LIKE THAT FUCKING THING HIDDEN IN THE ICE
YOU MEAN LIKE NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT IS OR WHAT ITS DOING
YOU MEAN LIKE NOT BEING ABLE TO TRUST THOSE AROUND YOU
Jesus Christ, its baby's first Lovecraft expert over here. Why don't you go watch Dagon and get back to us.
>>67886684
NO REALLY BRO
UNSPEAKABLE HORROR LMAO
BEYOND DESCRIPTION BRO YOU COULDN'T HANDLE IT
>>67871028
you are extremly fucking retarded or you havent seen the mist.
>>67886717
>>67886757
Herbert West does get lovecraftian towards the end but not because of spooky zombies, rather because the exact plot is left a little ambiguous.
>>67886758
You make a good point, but mockumentary is such a coined term. Why not archived footage or clips or snaps? Why mockumentary? That is if I understand your mockumentary to blair witch style. Making any lovecraft into a paranoral activity style movie would make me and I wager the majority of fans disappointing, because it's even more of a cliche than jump scares and godzilla destruction
>>67867816
those im charge would feel too pressured to wrestle the story structure into a passable blockbuster that would ultimately dissappoint because of too much cgi and not enough left for the viewer's imagination
>>67886785
DUDE
EVERYTHING YOU JUST LISTED IN ALL CAPS IS EXPLICITLY SPELLED OUT IN THE MOVIE
AT BEST, THE ENDING GETS SORT OF CLOSE TO LOVECRAFTIAN HORROR BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF CHILDS IS THE THING.
>>67886872
>in the end a CGI Cthulhu attacks Manhattan and is fought off by fighter jets
>>67886887
FORGET THE HORRORS HERE
Zack Snyder is the perfect director for this project.
>>67869927
>Just got to choose the right story is all
In what stories did he describe Cthulu?
>>67886868
Holy shit no.
Dude, re-read my post, I explicitly said "basically a combination of The Conspiracy and Ancient Aliens but way less cheesy"
>>67886938
>the jetpilots are homosexual black men because the studio wants to distance itself from Lovecraft's reputation as a racist
>>67886957
The Call of Cthulhu. It's all indirect second-hand accounts, but it's pretty detailed.
>>67886961
ANON STOP, PLEASE
>>67867845
Pretty much this.
Hell, Nintendo was able to do the unimaginable horror shit better in Earthbound.
Lovecraft was always a hack.
>>67887001
I have no memory of that. I know they at least didn't describe him much when they actually meet him at the end. I'll have to reread it.
>>67886887
>after a lengthy fight with Jayden smith karate chopping Cthulhu in the dick, will smith crashes his plan into Cthulhu causing an explosion in the shape of jesus on the cross with will's face clearly in place of Jesus', sacrificing himself to save the world.
>>67887003
>the movie starts with the black, LGBT and feminist communities or Arkham protesting against the white dean of Miskatonic university
>>67887057
It's not wordy in its description, but it explicitly states that Cthulhu looks like his statues, which were described in great detail.
>>67867816
what the fuck is wrong with his body
>>67887077
>Jayden looks up at the remains, lights a cigarette
>"Looks like Big C has cashed in his last chips"
>roll credits
>>67886959
Forgive me I forgot about your original post. At least we can both agree it needs to be subtle and not "hollywoodiesd" even though I'd like to see the genre reacha bigger audience. My only problem is that as soon as someone drops the "mock" word cheesieness almost immediately follows. Now that I think on it the X-files-ish style would be a passable episodic version. Assuming it wouldn't have shit writers and that there are no lovecraft episodes I haven't viewed yet as I've only seen up to season 4.
>Cosmic gods that could wipe the entire humanity
>humanity is basically a piece of dirt in the universe
>the truth is so horrible that people get mentally insane when they know even a small piece of that truth
Good luck for translating this into a movie.
>Main character discovers an evidence of the existence of an ancient cosmic god
>Main character ends up in an Asylum
>>67887161
Reminder that even in Lovecraft's writing it was extremely easy to escape Arkham Asylum.
>>67887141
"mockumentary" just refers to a format, not to a genre or tone.
>>67887161
The author-narrator of The Call of Cthulhu doesn't go insane. He gets hopeless and spooked but not crazy. He gets killed by niggers before he can even publish his article.
>>67886636
Aww damn that seems right up my alley
>>67887270
But you understand the connotations behind it don't you? Mockumentary would be very difficult to do without it being, well, mocked. Not for lack of trying though, just because that format has devolved into a running gag for a cheap and easy film. It's a shame really, it had great potential as a style.
>>67886636
>>67886587
>>67886418
Anybody know what movie this guy is talking about?
>>67887352
Honestly I've seen so very few mockumentaries that I'm not sure I know what you're talking about.
Do you mean shit like the one about the martian war?
And of course it would be hard to do it right, same as with any movie, but that doesn't mean it's not the best option. let's just say "fake documenary" if you feel it sounds more neutral
>>67887456
Think the first half of District Nine. That type of movie.
>>67887456
It does actually. For instance, project X pretty much killed the hand camera aspect of a mockumentary beacause it was a bunch of frat boys puking everywhere with shakey cam. Same problem with aforementioned cloverfield. Blair Witch ended up being boring for most of it. Interviews with people about the subject in question like district 9 wouldn't make sense. very few people know of the old ones who aren't so insane they can barely function, so lots being interviews doesn't fit. Paranormal style would be just god awful. Something like The Thing has too much violence for the source material for my taste. I'm trying to say there are very few options you can take left in the mockumentary style that hasn't earned a bad name for itself already
>>67887590
paranormal activity* style I should clarify
>>67887518
honestly what made it cheesy was the acting, and it wasn't about any kind of mystery
Have you seen the (legit) documentary about the toynbee tiles? it's really fascinating and spooky and even though it amounts to very little, it's the exact feeling I got from the Call of Cthulhu until the end.
>>67867816
>There will never be a proper Cthulu movie
Because it actually takes talent to create an atmosphere of terror.
>>67887590
>lots of interviews doesn't fit
yes it does
same as in the story, nobody who gets interviewed or questioned is insane or knows the whole truth
The shadow out of time is maybe the story that could fit the best in film.
>>67887615
I was just clarifying what a mockumentary is.
>>67887677
But the main character cannot know about the old ones and subsequently where to find those who do and interview them, otherwise whats the point of a story, revelation and forbidden truth/hidden knowledge?
>>67887748
Have you read the call of cthulhu?
half of the material gathered by the author was already put together by his uncle through press agencies, and he comes across the last part through dumb luck, and then goes around the globe to track down johanssen but only gets his journal
>>67887829
But how well would that translate to a movie? For a novel it's wonderful, you have as many pages as you need, but for screentime you can't have a character just gathering papers, as true as that is to call of cthulhu, and even then that only applies to an adaption of that book. How would a shadow over innsmouth or a dagon remake look if the protagonist wanders around asking questions and gathering papers?Don't forget it doesn't have to be a remake, we could make an original piece that draws from inspiration, similar to bloodborne which leaves you with more options
>>67887940
Dude, that's why it needs to be a documentary instead of just being a third-person showcasing of his investigation.
And The Call of Cthulhu is a very short story. Even if you wanted to show him gathering papers (instead of just showing us the conclusions of his research with clips and highlights of the main documents he found, which would be a documentary) you could easily fit it in a feature length format.
How many movies have you watched that dealt with investigation or gathering data?
>>67888006
I've seen a few, but sadly they're all crime drama and thriller which unfortunately is all about all too human problems. Would that same style work for something that isn't even A) an antagonist unless they made it so and B) an otherworldly being from the cosmos. I personally would like to see someone discovering this all for themselves for the first time before anyone else in movie format. Pioneer the discovery of the old ones, not following the paper trail of the demented. Watch some succumb to madness. Even that bit doesn't have to make sense, in fact it'd be better if it didn't.
>>67888177
Wouldn't that just be something like At the Mountains of Madness? I mean if you outrule documental research, antagonists and complex character interaction, all that's left to explore is a physical area.
>>67887008
go back to /v/
>>67888348
You can have complex character interaction without the detective work. And all Great ones where never antagonists. they just never cared for humanity or it's existence. And what about the emotional development of a character? That can exist without anything else aforementioned
>>67888467
So, like The Whisperer in the Darkness then? except that there's a two-character dynamic and the notion of danger.
I'm really having a lot of trouble picturing how your idea would work while still remaining lovecraftian. If it's just "dude comes across weird shit but there's no real mystery to investigate" then meh.
The Lurking Fear would make for a fantastic adaptation. It has a few really creepy actiony scenes and then goes all out in the end
>>67888578
it did get adapted in 1994
>>67888610
Well shit, cool beans. Is it any good?
>>67888548
Not quite. A notion of danger feels to actionish. a notion of uncertainty, vulnerability and almost being lost and helpless yes. Like standing on the precipice of the unimaginable, so close but not quite if you can imagine. Finding nearly all the pieces yourself, but that last one rather than missing is never existing in the first place. Revealing just enough to keep the viewer interested, and making sure the main character reveals it so they develop a connection, but all the answers remaining cryptic enough to be agitating enough to be near-infuriating with enough room to come to your own conclusions. If anything I wouldn't want to spoon feed the viewer info. I'd like to leave it to them to figure it out, only providing the starting point. I suppose you're having trouble picturing my vision and I'm having trouble with yours, with all this lack of understanding it's rather ironic considering the topic don't you think? haha
>>67888859
I love that image.
>>67888548
>>67888870
Well this all has been fun but sadly I've got to go to work. Thanks for the debate anon, it absorbed my whole morning haha. it'll give me some thing to think about all day
>>67888924
I'm not whoever you were debating but you're welcome?
