Can we all agree that The Phantom Menace was better than The Force Awakens?
>>67815929
no but it was better than 2 and 3
No, fuck off, no one who isn't an agenda driven faggot actually believes that
>>67815929
Both are pretty average but I find more joy in rewatching The Phantom Menace than I do The Force Awakens, which feels like a chore, I think Abram's Star Wars reflect these times and audiences very well, almost feels like a chore to watch even once. Cold, rushed, no charm in it at all and it's nothing but for the studio to captialize on a growing trend in mainstream "nerd" culture. The Phantom Menace takes me back to a much simpler time
>>67815953
>muh agendas
>>>/pol/
>>67815929
Nah
>>67816089
You understand I was mocking the /pol/tards who hate the movie because it has bm/wf lead and directed by a jew, right?
>>67815929
Yes. Force Awakens was pure trash.
This is now a Star Wars discussion general
cont >>67807803
Yes. Phantom Menace had it's moments. There was nothing in TFA. Just Rey being a gigantic Mary Sue.
>>67815929
No.
>>67816183
What moments? Le funny moments with Jar Jar?
Phantom was a better museum piece. I loved the music video. TFA didn't grab me visually, which is odd because I'm usually struck by JJ Abram's aesthetic... I like that 'open pencil case' style, I just think that American directors aren't given enough advice in terms of making use of dramatic form.
Many director's sensibilities can benefit from that 'express yourself' hippie methodology, but when it comes to narrative, you need something very decisive.
I'll mention that I don't prefer 'smart' movies necessarily... ESB isn't a smart movie and it isnt a dumb one either, in spite of its clear story structure, it is very dreamlike.
Yeah. Completely. Far better philosophically, technically and thematically. I miss when SW films were actually SW films. Now their just capeshit with a different title.
Man, you niggers are fucking retarded
>>67815929
Yes
>>67815929
The music and the story was far better
https://youtu.be/_7hj6qP167k?t=5
>>67816871
I love how capeshit has become a buzzword for "thing I don't like but can't provide any actual criticism for"
If you legitimately believe this you are retarded
4 > 5 > 6 > 1 = 7 > 3 >>> Holiday special >>>>>>>>>>>> 2
>>67815929
5 >> 4 >> 6 = 7 > 3 >>>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>>>> 2You know it`s true
Even Žižek knows that TPM was shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO3YRlNLqCM
>>67817030
At least Phantom Menace had some originality and wasn't a rehash.
>>67817021
That's because capeshit critisism has been said multiple times. Their is no point in rehashing it. Especially when its targeted audience are literal children who yell and scream when people point out the teuths about capeshit.
>>67817125
>Young boy from desert planet gets caught up in events much bigger than him and ends up saving the day
Totally not a rehash.
>>67816279
Mcgregor and neeson are both top class actors, and they were filling real roles, unlike ford in tfa where every other line was harkening back to the original trilogy. Phantom menace doesn't hold a candle to empire strikes back, but I think it at least tries to be nearly as good as rotj. Yes all the young anakin stuff is annoying, and so is jar jar, but there are some good parts to it. Tfa has nothing like that. All memes and just bad directing in general.
>>67817161
>implying anakin was the main protagonist of TPM
4>5>6>3>7>1>2
>>67815929
They're equally shit but for different reasons.
>>67815929
It was, no doubt about it. FA is just a generic hollywood non-stop action flick.
Stop making a fool of your self, OP.
Phantom Menace doesn't have any quips.
The Force Awakens is just Star Wars covered in Capeshit
>>67815929
Yeah, that seems about right.
They're both shit, but I like TPM better.
>>67817202
>3 better than 7
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW YOU'RE A FAGGOT
I think TFA is leagues better than RotJ by every measurable standard besides nostalgia, desu. Sure the throne room stuff is great, but there's another hour and 45 minutes of bullshit in that movie
>>67817021
Phantom menace has ewan mcgregor and Liam neeson in lead roles. No matter how fucked up it is otherwise (and it is) you can't take that away from it. Tfa has ford and the old cast, true, but their roles are just memes every other line. *scowls at young whippersnapper*, "you should have seen ____", etc.
3>6>4>2>1>5>7
Not even trolling.
Prove to me why 5 is any good.
>racing
>duel of the fates
>Maul
>Neeson
>McGregor
>droid battle
>politics
>dialogues without throwbacks and memes
Phantom Menace shit all over Force Awakens, it's not even a fair fight.
>>67817763
They really fucked up by casting Natalie.
Literally nobody they cast from now on will ever be as attractive as she was.
They set their own bar too high.
>>67817336
>Phantom Menace doesn't have any quips.
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
JAR JAR STEPPING ON SHIT IS SOMEHOW BETTER THAN A WELL-DELIVERED JOKEY LINE
>>67817840
>attractive
what the fuck
>>67817885
>he has to bring up jar jar
>has no defense for the marvel awakens
wew
>>67817929
okay m8
>>67817885
Jar Jar hate is so forced it may as well be a meme or some inside joke by normalfags.
>>67817987
Not the anon you replied to, but that's not even close to being as cute as Hershlag was.
no you idiot even attack of the clones is better
>>67816010
i mean i like all the star wars film, but thats what youre getting with abrams. i enjoyed it. the next two will not be like abrams
>>67817948
>you bring up the comedic relief in Episode VII
>I can't bring up the "comedic relief" in Episode I
>>67818121
Not to mention it's incredibly forgettable a day or so after you watch. Nothing sticks and it just feels hollow, like most Abrams projects. All he's good at is building up hype and marketing which is why he was perfect with the reboot. Putting Han's death in at the end was just to get people talking about it more after release but with the influx of Star Wars movies coming faster than Capeshit it's going to be forgotten entirely by the end of this decade.
>>67818145
>one goofy character is the same as every single person in the movie making quips
ok
>>67818229
Anakin and Obi-Wan make quips throughout the prequel trilogy, you hypocritical ass.
>>67818229
remember when Yoda literally said "not if anything to say about it, I have!"
and when Mace Dindu said "DIS PARTY IS OVA"
>>67818272
>two friends trying to make each other laugh is the same as literally every character doing things that only the audience would find funny
ok
>>67817518
>unironically liking pod racing
>>67815929
>DOWNVOTED for dumb opinion
>>67817336
>star wars never had quips
>WHAT IS EPISODE IV AND V
Fuck you for thinking the force awakens resembles capeshit, not only is it thousands of orders higher that superhero comics, its unarguably star wars
>>67818309
All the quips in TFA came from Poe and Finn, two characters.
>Joss Whedon made people hate quips so bad that they forget that the other Star Wars movies were all quip filled low brow entertainment
>>67818145
Yeah, but instead of bringing in the team of Americas greatest sitcoms, George writes it from the standpoint of his own bizarre sense of humour.
https://youtu.be/NEAihk8QaVc
>>67818309
>will somebody get this big walking carpet out of my way?
>who's scruffy lookin'?
QUIPS ARE INHERENT TO STAR WARS
>>67818364
>i can take care of myself
>hey big deal
>i'm sure you're very brave
>the thumbs up from bb8
ok
>>67818430
why the fuck are you complaining
its star wars, see
>>67818427
>>67818398
>>67818361
>>67817929
Natalie is the prettiest.
Holy shit no OP.
Phantom Menace is still the absolute worst movie in the franchise, and I will be genuinely surprised if another Star Wars movie as bad as it happens again.
>>67818430
>>i can take care of myself
Not a quip
>hey big deal
It's Han Solo.
>I'm sure you're very brave
Side character.
>thumbs up
Not a quip
>>67815929
Yes. Nobody will even remember TFA years from now. Heck people don't even really remember it eight after watching it. I can't even talk with anyone about it. It's literally a generic soulless rehash with nothing unique going for it.
The movie managed to erase my hype for all upcoming Star Wars movies it was that generic
>>67818522
What does the date of birth have to do with anything? A bad movie is a bad movie.
It's always been allusive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sources_and_analogues
>>67818699
Star Wars movies have always had great ideas and interesting settings but always fails executing both leading to other media expanding on them
It's always been like that, I don't get why people get hype for Star Wars movies
>>67815929
I liked TFA more than TPM.
Everyone has a right to disagree, of course. I just like movie forwards rather than moving backwards.
>>67818699
Nice meme, but the film has already left more of an impact than any other movie released this decade. Even months after release, we get at least a dozen threads about it per day. I'm still waiting for it to be forgotten.
>>67818699
>>67818820
"It's been forgotten!" is the new bullshit complaint, the latest goalpost move by people desperate to call the critically acclaimed movie that was only the second to gross 2 billion dollars in its first run a failure
>>67818699
It's also the only well-directed film in the series.
>soulless
Nice. A nebulous criticism that can't be proven. Might as well call it "boring" while you're at it.
Yeah, in retrospect you can tell Jew Jew was so scared to fuck this up he made a generic as possible capeshit film with lightsabers. At least the prequels tried to be bold, even if they failed.
>>67818896
>At least the prequels tried to be bold,
No they fucking didn't. Episode I is literally a remake of Episode IV. The trilogy is full of OT references.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7ZW1gtCljs
>>67818820
we also get 10 threads per day on The Pest, are you saying that that it has had a huge cultural impact?
>>67818944
A, no we don't. B, meme threads are different from threads where actual discussions occur.
>>67818943
>References is the same thing as a 1:1 carbon copy
Are you fucking retarded?
both are forgettable flicks but TFA is better at pretty much everything, even acting
>>67818997
TFA isn't a 1:1 carbon copy. It's as much a copy of ANH as Episode I is.
>>67818990
TFA threads are meme threads. Noone actually discusses the movie in them. They are mostly full of people calling Rey a mary sue or a waifu
>>67819013
>even acting
Especially acting. TFA has the best acting in the series.
>>67819035
No they're not. Look at this thread, and the thread up about Finn.
TFA was actually a good movie. I don't understand why you all are complaining about it.
What's the chance that Rogue One is any good?
>>67818896
>capeshit
just fuck off
>>67819124
Lots of talent they've pulled from the British Theatres so I'd expect great things.
>>67819124
since it has vader theres a good chance it could be good
>>67819102
several reasons:
>There are genuine contrarians on /tv/ who hate popular things on principle
>There are people who's first exposure to Star Wars was the Phantom Menace, so they think that is Star Wars; TFA is the anti-phantom Menace so they think it's bad because they don't know any better
>people who a /pol/ agenda who think the movie is bad because it stars a white woman and black man and is directed by a jew
>>67819035
>TFA threads are meme threads
this, BvS threads have more discussion of the actual film. GoT threads have 10x the discussion of the book's lore.
TFA is genuinely a non-starter because no one is really interested in talking about it even the people claiming to be fans.
>>67818500
>>67818019
She's 3/10.
>>67819159
this
in reality JJ has never made a bad film. even stid was ok
>>67819173
thats because they attract shitposters that say it sucks for the hundreth time in mass
>>67819173
That's such bullshit. BvS at meme 'capekino' threads where people ironically defend Zachary Snyder. People are actually discussing Star Wars in this thread
>>67819152
Revenge of the Sith had Vader and that was shit.
There's really nothing interesting they can do with Vader anymore other than to shoehorn him into other films to boost sales.
>>67819150
Yeah I was fairly impressed with the casting, but never even heard of the director. Can't be worse than Abrams.
>>67816182
>>67807803 (Cross-thread)
this was a good thread, anon, thanks. nice read
>>67816132
The movie bombed in china because of that. Considering this website is for anime, you are the odd man out.
>>67819286
Yes, I can be worse than Abrams. Look at the last 3 Star Wars films. Look at the Marvel films. Look at Zack Snyder's oeuvre.
>>67819254
it didnt have vader and you know it. anakin finally puts on the suit and does nothing because the movie is over. we are talking primetime vader
>Lucas:
https://youtu.be/DUCjfLGMiJA
>Dizney:
http://youtu.be/WsrbQK9kgQg
>>67819375
Second video was before Disney purchased Star Wars. They take it more seriously now.
>>67815929
I wouldn't say it's "superior."
But Phantom Menace, unlike Force Awakens, is directed like and feels like a Star Wars movie.
I didn't like the camera work for TFA, and the way it was paced and how it was filmed, I felt like I was watching some regular Sci-Fi action flick and not a legit Star Wars movie.
The Phantom Menace isn't perfect, and I am biased towards it because I was eight years old when it came out, making the experience nostalgic. I liked a lot of things, how colorful it was, the different settings and locations (inb4 it was a green screen u cuck, kek!), the character design, Darth Maul, the Podracer scene, etc. I saw the original trilogy before and after, and while it's okay, I certainly didn't love it until TPM. 24, now, I like the OT just fine, but TPM will always be my favorite Star Wars film.
Before you mention Jar Jar, I don't care for him, but oldfags seem to forget all of C-3PO's bullshit and the Ewoks from ROTJ.
Is there anyway to watch ep 7 on stream? on phone and bored af
>>67819353
>bombed in China
it didn't though, it grossed $125 million which is good but not great
>>67819495
Just download it and watch it on your phone stupid newfag
>>67819463
>dumbass prequelbabby thinks his opinion matters
cuck
>>67818221
I agree. All talk no substance.
TFA didn't 'feel' like a star wars movie. It was a sci-fi movie in the star wars universe and I think it's because there's a clear main character.
There's no mystery orpolitical stuffgoing on. It didn't have the mysticism even the prequels had.
If you hadn't seen any on the previous star wars movies it would have been a very shallow and mediocre movie.
Only because it has the "star wars'' name it supposedly is a good movie. It tries to build on the success of the previous trilogies and fail because that's what the entire movie is made of, nothing new, nothing we don't already know aside from maybe who snoke is.
>>67819102
I ,personally, am not complaining. I just didn't give a shit. When I saw it in theatres, I was expecting it to be overhyped, and I just felt "eh" when I left the overcrowded theatre.
>>67819495
nigger if you really are going to watch a movie let alone a star wars movie on your phone you are a bitch
>>67819555
>scifi movie
dropped there. its a samurai western comedy fantasy space opera. theres no scifi
>it didnt feel like a star wars movie
wahh JJ u fuggin hack
>it feels like a star wars movie bc its star wars
wahhh JJ you fucking hack. either way you complain. but saying it doesnt feel like a star wars movie shows youre an idiot
>>67819463
Fuck you you fucking faggot. The reason it """""""feels"""""""" like Star Wars to you is because you associate Star Wars with the shifty prequels rather than the original trilogy. From a directorial stand point the prequel trilogy feels nothing like the original trilogy. One can just as easily say that those films don't feel like Star Wars. But that's a fucking fallacy anyways, because if it's Star Wars then it automatically feels like Star Wars because the films themselves set the tonal and aesthetic expectations for what they should be.
>>67819651
>>67819728
You guys may have autism.
>>67819651
>underage fag baiting with his first star wars
Fuck off, kid. FA just suck and people all around say that it didn't felt like it was a proper SW movie. Instead it felt liek generic action flick.
>>67819541
Oh, geez, I nearly panicked, there. For a minute, there, I thought you were going to give me a legitimate response or rebuttal, but you just called me a silly name. What a relief!
>>67819728
Yeah, but the way the camera moved, the cinematography, the dialogue and other things were reminiscent of the OT.
>>67819776
star wars isnt scifi, and im big into scifi, sorry youre a pleb
>>67819555
>it's not original enough
>it doesn't feel like the OT enough
Die in a dumpster fire
>>67819827
muh big budget has too much action. its JJ you fuck what did you expect. and im 25. sucks for you nigger i like all the films
>>67819827
>Fuck off, kid. FA just suck and people all around say that it didn't felt like it was a proper SW movie
you know, except the 92% of critics that gave it an average score of 8/10, the 81 metacritic indicating "universal acclaim" and the A cinemascore
it's just a small but vocal minority of faggot prequel babbies and contrarians who hate TFA.
V > IV > VII >>>> VI > I > III >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> II
>>67819828
PT was shot reverse shot on a green screened stage. It looked nothing like the films that George Lucas didn't direct. TFA used much of the same equipment and many of the same techniques as the OT
>>67819871
People younger than 30 loved this shit flick. Those who started with OT were not impressed.
>>67819936
and how old are you, posting on a Vietnamese Calligraphy image board?
You really think film critics are all 20something millennials?
>>67819936
>>67819936
It's actually the opposite. The younger audience (I.e. /tv/) were upset that it didn't look like the Star Wars movies they grew up with, but the older critical audience loved it.
>>67819936
what the fuck are you talking about, you cant be under 30 and start with the OT? so youre saying people like me who were 8 or 9 when the phantom menace came out didnt watch the originals and see the phantom menace bc they were huge star wars fans?
>>67816010
it's not cold or rushed, it had heart unlike episode 1 or 2
>>67819991
nigger im 25 and i watched the OT years and years before the phantom menace came out, stop assuming
>>67817125
because that's all that matters right?
>>67820057
>it had heart
It was 2fast and 4furious for us to notice, then.
>>67819914
Maybe, but the way the film was shot, along with many other things, didn't feel Star Warsy.
>>67815929
I agree. At least it wasn't LE POTTERY from ep. IV, it had Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor, the podracing scene was dumb but enjoyable. Overall it was an enjoyable sunday-afternoon flick, nothing more, nothing less.
TFA wasn't terrible, but it lacked at least the originality of ep I.
TFA is like watching a more jewish version of Ep IV
Is /tv/ the most pathetic userbase on 4chan? The contrarian mental gymnastics regarding Star Wars: TFA is incredible and at the same time absolutely loathsome.
The constant denial, backtracking and moving the goalposts.
>"TFA will be shit! Fucking Jew Jew Abrams, fucking nigger main character, fucking SJWs! People won't accept this! It will be worse than the prequels and a total flop!"
>Trailer drops. Record pre-sales, screenings booked out months in advance. Hype incredibly high.
>"I-i-t'll still be a flop! Guaranteed to be shit! Phantom Menace sold well too before people realised it was shit! N-nigger character!"
>TFA releases. 5 star reviews, record opening day. People love based Johnny B's performance, and he's very well received.
>"o-ok it might not be as bad as we thought, but it's still not going to beat Jurassic World! Disney are finished!"
>Beats Jurassic World, despite being released in off-season and no Chinese release.
>"J-just wait until based RLM eviscerates it for being A New Hope ripoff in a Mr Plinkett review! You'll f-fucking see then Starfags!"
>Mike loves it. RLM approve and think it has saved the Star Wars franchise from the prequels.
>"FUCKING SHIT FILM, MARY SUE JEW SHIT. PREQUEL LOVE THREAD. WHO FUCKING LOVES ATTACK OF THE CLONES? I DO. REVENGE OF THE SITH WAS BETTER THAN ROTJ. BASED GEORGE LUCAS. WELL AT LEAST TFA WON'T BEAT AVATAR, I FUCKING SWEAR TO GOD PLEASE."
The mouthbreathing basement dwellers who strive to be contrarian have been backed into a corner really, they started so verbose. So confident that the film would be a flop, not break any records and would be panned by critics. Slowly as TFA has BTFO them on every conceivable level, they've been reduced to adopting some bizarre cult-like contrarian attitude to the prequels, proclaiming them as underrated gems, and trying to push some kind of narrative where if TFA doesn't beat Avatar, it's somehow failed, despite already being a record breaking movie and saving Star Wars.
>>67820179
People who honestly believe the phantom menace are retarded.
They can't think about movies beyond the superficial, so they see a Naboo Starfighter instead of an X-wing and they think the phantom menace is SO ORIGINAL when it's just about the exact same movie as ANH but worse
>>67820179
wow thats hilarious
episode i is as much as episode iv as vii
>>67820257
>exact same movie
I wish, it fucking sucked. At least ANH was good.
>Force Awakens
>boom-quip-pew-quip-pew-quip-boom
>teh end
Average Sci-Fi flick, terrible Star Wars movie.
>>67815929
Yes
>>67820179
>At least it wasn't LE POTTERY from ep. IV,
A Skywalker leaves a desert planet in order to train as a Jedi with a wise, old master. That kid's mentor eventually dies, before he blows up a large enemy structure to save the day to gets an award in a large ceremony at the end.
Is this Episode I or Episode IV?
>>67820186
>image.png
post ignored
>>67819102
>TFA was actually a good movie.
>>67815929
nope
>>67820434
Yeah, it was actually a great movie. Second best in the series.
>>67816010
>Cold, rushed, no charm in it at all
That's like every movie JewJew touches. It just feels so dead. Like it's not a terrible, but there's no particular reason for me to ever care.
>>67820257
I will take superficial over outright shitting on sw in FA.
>>67820469
>Yeah, it was actually a great movie.
>Second best in the series.
>>67820474
Name a better director currently working who regularly deals with budgets of over $150 million and isn't Spielberg.
>>67820469
So, that would place it right behind Revenge of the Sith then. Good to know.
>>67820359
>scifi
back to r e d d i t
>>67819159
>not knowing what the word contrarian means
>>67820186
Believe me, friend, I know. I like to browse /tv/ the same way people watch Honey Boo Boo or 16 and Pregnant. It's funny looking at these people and the ridiculous way they act.
>>67820416
>he's afraid of being BTFO by a mobile poster
Objectively
5>4>3>6>1=7>2
TFA was probably the best movie of 2015. I don't know what you're all on about concerning it, but I personally enjoyed it.
>>67820636
IV >>>> VII > the rest
>>67820636
I agree, but make it 1 > 7
>>67820636
Switch 3 and 4 around.
>>67820619
>I like to browse /tv/ the same way people watch Honey Boo Boo or 16 and Pregnant
you mean to fill the time as you wait for your meaningless life to end? me too, anon. me too.
>>67820636
>putting Jar Jar above anything
>>67820636
>>67820677
in what fucking insane bizarro world do you live in where you honestly believe TFA is worse than Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith?
I think TFA is better than Return of the Jedi and pretty equal with ANH and ESB, but I understand that's my subjective opinion. TFA is O B J E C T I V E L Y better than the prequels by every conceivable standard.
>>67820703
>>67820636
Millennial genocide when?
>>67820705
isn't that what we all do?
>>67820709
Fact: Jar Jar was a more interesting character than Finn.
What's your favorite fanedit of the prequels.
>>67820728
They're just from /v/ and probably grew up on the prequels.
>>67820728
>TFA is O B J E C T I V E L Y better than the prequels by every conceivable standard.
including it's earnestness in attempting to do something new? not everyone wanted a factory-made retooling of scenes from earlier films.
>>67820645
tfa was leagues above mad max fury road which won some memes, it was clearly the best film of the year i agree
>>67820784
>>67820728
No one actually believes TFA was a good Star Wars movie, right?
>>67820764
/tv/ genocide when?
>>67820728
>TFA is O B J E C T I V E L Y better than the prequels by every conceivable standard.
But that's wrong. ROTS is objectively better than TFA.
I'm >>67819555
All I wanted to say was that there was this 'mystical' or 'religious' part of the prequels TFA was missing.
It felt like I was watching a movie about individual characters instead of mystical paladins/military space monks who battle because reasons.
That's all. I missed mystical space paladins swinging light swords around.
>>67820764
>Fact: Jar Jar was a more interesting character than Finn.
holy kek, leave this board my man.
>>67820810
92% of critics did
>>67820739
You'll die way before we do, gramps.
>>67820831
nah
5>4>6>7>2>3>1
>>67820787
If you honestly think the prequels were original you're a dumb shit
>>67820764
Jar Jar was more of a character than whole main cast of FA. Jesus Christ.
>>67820810
sure...
>>67820875
>2
>ahead of 3
>>67820831
>awful cgi
>awful dialogue
>anakin's fall is hilariously contrived
How do people think it's good?
>>67818030
>Jar Jar hate is so forced
Maybe if you were in diapers when TFA came out.
That shit is earned.
>>67820787
>C3PO shoved in for no reason
>R2D2 back for no reason
>dude Jango Fett is also a bounty hunter lmao
>Clones are a ripoff of storm troopers
>dude Baby Boba Fett lmao
>Republic ships are a ripoff of Imperial Star destroyers
>Naboo is earth
>Death Star plans in Attack of the Clones
>All Jedi wear Tatooine farmer robes
>Corisant is a ripoff of the city from Blade Runner
>dude Genonisis is Tatooine with rocks lmao
>dude Kamino is just Cloud City with water instead of clouds lmao
>earnestness in attempting to do something new
>>67820879
originality can be judged comparatively.
the trouble with TFA is they didn't even TRY to do anything original.
so while each prequel film has elements which work well or at least make it unique, TFA is just a totallyglib facsimileof scenes from earlier films. they even squandered Finn being a Stormtrooper which was the closest thing the film had to an original idea.
it's okay to feel insulted when a filmmaker obviously didn't want to bother trying to do a good job, and appreciate good aspects of a film made by a talented egomaniac like Lucas in spite of the films not working overall.
>>67820186
This is one of the most well-articulated summations of exactly what happened on this board.
>>67820728
LOL, you fucking wish you fucking faggot. TFA was mediocre horseshit, ROTS and TPM are way more entertaining than that crap.
>>67818030
>defending poop jokes in Star Wars
>>67821023
TFA has new main characters and tells a story that doesn't have a predetermined ending. It's more original than the prequels in some respects.
>>67820888
this kind of statement shouldn't even be controversial
Jar Jar was a terrible character but he was a CHARACTER not a prop for the story.
but everyone judges writing choices based on how much they annoyed them, rewarding bland safe filmmaking.
>>67821069
>the rehash of ANH is more original than the prequels
Keep telling yourself that, buddy.
BUT GUYS WAIT FOR THE SEQUELS. TFA IS GREAT BECAUSE THE FUTURE MOVIES WILL REDEEM IT.
>>67815929
Lets be honest, every Star Wars movie is garbage.
>>67821107
Episode 1 is literally a rehash of Episode 4.
kylo ren>prequels
its that easy
>>67821139
you realize this is a trilogy?
>>67821045
I bet you grew up on the prequels you child.
5>4>6>1>3>7>2
7 is hot garbage. The only reason it isn't worse than 2 is Hayden Christiansen's god awful acting.
>>67820810
Some people do.
>>67815929
Yes. It was pretty good.
>>67821176
At least it didn't rehash characters and change their gender and reuse the death star AGAIN
TPM was still more original.
>>67820787
>including it's earnestness in attempting to do something new?
TPM follows the same plot structure as ANH does too, it's just poorly done and badly written. It doesn't "do anything new" other than act as a commercial for Lucas' attempts to be a pioneer for the cgi era and ensure that ILM gets work forever.
>not everyone wanted a factory-made retooling of scenes from earlier films.
That's almost literally what the prequels were. It was George Lucas sitting in his studio recreating shit from the OT, but on a green screen.
>>67820831
To quote Anakin Skywalker in RotS. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>67818522
That's true though.
>>67821139
>redeem
redeem what? It was universally praised by audiences and critics.
>>67821192
I grew up watching the OT then watched the PT. So no.
>>67821232
>At least it didn't rehash characters
ANAKIN SKYWALKER AND OBI WAN KANOBI ARE THE LEADS
>>67818522
>only superior adults like myself can identify quality cinema
>>67821256
I bet you think Call of Duty is a good game series because it gets rave reviews, huh /v/? Kill yourself idiot.
>>67821069
crediting the film for that just demonstrates how incredibly low the bar was.
>>67821232
>At least it didn't rehash characters
It did
>and change their gender
It changed their species
>and reuse the death star AGAIN
It did. Don't remember the droid-controlling space donut that baby Anakin blew up to save the day in the third act?
>TPM was still more original.
non
>>67821232
C3PO and R2 and Yoda were rehashed and ruined.
ITT: mental gymnastics
>>67821288
>"I don't know what the term rehash means"
showing individuals when they're younger and not dead anymore isn't rehashing. Making new characters and modeling them point for point after old characters with only minute differences, such as name and sex, is a fucking rehash.
>>67820796
fury road really wasn't that good honestly. We just jumped from one action scene to the next. Fury road actually had more explosions than TFA did, which I found disappointing.
>>67821176
yeah we all remember the Ben Hur race and the ground battle sequence from A New Hope. also the shitty child acting and animated alien rabbit and the fact that one of the main characters actually kills a Sith. oh wait.
>>67821342
Fuck off. TFA is good.
>>67821388
Do you realize how shitty this argument is? It's not a rehash because it's not exactly the same? TFA isn't exactly like ANH either.
>>67821417
Why is it good, Anon? Surely it can't be because the characters or story.
>>67821417
Lol, no it isn't.
>>67821297
Video Game reviews are not the same. Film is a more established medium.
>>67821344
Somehow having the exact same plot with the exact same characters isn't a rehash, but a similar plot with similar characters is. Go away.
>>67821417
That was the point of my post.
>>67821242
the pottery criticism of the prequels is totally fair, but RLM were naive about how much more creatively bankrupt the stories could have been.
it's possible to buy that Lucas really did believe his Campbellshitting about recurring motifs, while JJ was just hired to make a movie with Star Wars-like imagery.
>>67821417
It's not. Even if I were to humor you though, and say it was "good", it is still a terrible STAR WARS movie.
>>67821458
>TFA isn't exactly like ANH either.
It pretty much is if you're not retarded. TPM has a much more unique story than TFA does. TFA pretty much takes parts from ANH and ESB and throws in some lens flare and modern cinematography.
Daily reminder that The Force Awakens is the best high budget film in years.
>>67821462
go read some reviews, We're not going to Spoonfeed you.
>>67821496
LAst time I checked, ANH and TPM don't have the same story. TFA is way more similar in story and plot than TPM is. What was the point of this post?
>>67821520
>TPM has a much more unique story than TFA does.
NO
IT
DOES
NOT
SEE>>67820388
IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME
>>67821458
>It's not a rehash because it's not exactly the same?
not the argument I made.
TFA is a rehash because it doesn't even have the quotient of new ideas TPM managed.
>>67821540
this is the only reasonable tripfag on this board.
>>67821582
wrong.
>>67819375
>brown and blue uniforms
literally custodians
>spartans
>in my star wars
lel
THIS IS WHAT PREQUEL FAGS ACTUALLY BELIEVE IS BETTER THAN A THROWBACK TO PURE EVIL THAT WE HAD WITH THE FIRST ORDER
>>67821617
you're just trolling for (You)s at this point.
>>67821520
>>67821566
You people are fucking retards. Remember the whole "it's like poetry; it rhymes" meme? It was Lucas's excuse for making a film with an identical plot to ANH.
>>67821582
what's amusing about the post you linked is that it's also the same as TFA.
so you're basically saying that it's okay to rip off ANH because Lucas did it first, even though you concede he didn't do it as blatantly.
>>67820388
>>67821582
>Quigon wasn't even his mentor yet, he was just scouting him
This throws a kink in your entire post retard.
>>67821540
Guardians of the Galaxy was better than shit.
>>67821594
Let me break this down
>TFA
similar plot
new characters, but with some of the characteristics of old ones
similar aesthetic
>TPM
nearly identical plot
many of the same lead characters
new, worse aesthetic
>>67821540
>tripfag
Eat a dick, faggot.
>>67821686
no, it wasnt in any way shape or form
>>67821706
this, TPM looked like cinematic garbage. Not even talking about the bad CGI either.
>>67821671
>rey is a skywalker
literally nothing but headcanon at this point
>>67821706
If you think TFA had a similar aesthetic to the OT you should lurk more before posting
>>67821671
It's actually not identical to TFA. There's no award ceremony, Rey doesn't leave in order to train as a Jedi, and she isn't the one who blows up the large enemy structure.
>>67821417
>being contrarian
Oh fuck off.
>>67821706
>TFA
>Similar plot
>SIMILAR
LOL
Someone please post the Glib Fascimile
>>67821747
>TFA
>better than GoTG
>>67821706
>still pretending TFA has fewer similarities to ANH than TPM
stop it
you also left out that the "same lead characters" have different characterisations than in the OT because they are younger.
>>67821706
>TFA
>new characters
I count Han, Leia, Luke, Chewie, R2, 3PO
All of the actors are the same as TFA
>TPM
>same characters
I count Kenobi, Anakin/vader, Sheev, R2, 3PO
Kenobi and Anakin are new actors to the series.
TPM > TFA
>>67821779
You mean the image that was written by someone who didn't see the movie? Like half of it is bullshit.
>>67821747
OH please, Guardians was was better than TFA and I fucking hate Capeshit movies.
>>67821790
Gotg is migraine inducing, lame, cgi ridden, and utterly pointless
>>67821706
Fuck off, nigger.
>>67821269
80% of the people who like Star Wars only feel that way because they saw the movies as children and grew up knowing the original trilogy was as close to a universally beloved classic as has ever existed. The weird thing is if you DON'T like Star Wars.
TFA was a true Star Wars movie, in true Star Wars style. Not dismissing any perspectives here, but if you liked the original trilogy and didn't like TFA, there's a strong chance that you also wouldn't like The Empire Strikes Back if you saw it for the first time today, with no hype whatsoever.
>>67821824
>half
More like one part where it mentions Rey talking to a village chief to find her next destination. Outside of that point it's pretty much the same.
>>67821810
Fundamentally dishonest post. Anakin, Obi Wan, and Qui-Gon are the leads in TPM. 2/3 are old characters. Rey, Finn, Poe, and Han Solo are the new leads in TFA, 3/4 are new characters.
>>67821834
I had to turn GoTG off it was so bad.
TFA I got through, but I still had no positive comments on it.
Make of that what you want.
