ITT: Characters who did literally nothing wrong
Illyrio or viserys? Or both?
>>67659320
Viserys. Illyrio was a conspiring Jew who never really wanted the last dragon on the throne.
Without a doubt.
>>67658800
>mfw I think about how much better the show would have been if Jorah didn't stop Viserys from leaving with the Dragon eggs
>>67660388
Also, Roose and Walder. Robb was leading them to piss and ruin. I'd jump ship if given the change, too.
>>67661234
Yeah, it was right to keep with the starks early, but once Renly was kill, Stannis btfo and Tyrells were on team Lannister (two richest families in Westeros) then the Starks were pretty fucked, especially with all the infighting (Cat a prisoner, Jamie MIA, Karstark beheaded, Ironborn taking Cailin and Winterfell etc.)
Roose also making boss INTJ decisions with recognising Ramsay and marrying fatty frey.
>>67660388
I really don't understand how people hate the Lannisters. Tywin, Kevan, Jaime, and Tyrion are all so much better than everyone else around them. They really are the goat house.
>>67661563
Because Cersei has always had the power in the house and gives it a horrible image. Kevan is a nobody, Tyrion and Jaime are persona non grata, and Tywin is dead.
>>67661656
Cersei has enough power to shit the bed but not much more
>>67661458
Starks were shit. They brought everything on themselves.
>>67661656
I meant real people. The infatuation fans have with Daenerys while hating based Tywin is ridiculous.
>>67661234
yeah, Robb was a dumb spoiled little shit who just got lucky and was too dumb to listen to any good advice and he paid the price the stupid shit
good thing you married that cunt. All it costed you was your life, family and your entire kingdom
>>67662010
Oh cmon anon. She hasn't had overt power but she's always been the one manipulating shit her way from behind the scenes/throne.
>>67658800
dude raped his sister
>>67658800
Oh so that's why there hasn't been any got threads all you fucking redditors have been making capeshit ones.
>>67661563
The literally exterminated 3 houses and are directly responsible for most of the problems in westeros (moreso Cersei)
>>67663092
not once daddy became hand again
>>67663142
no he fucking didn't, and even if he did, it's his lord's right
>>67663224
Tywin only exterminated two shit, pleb houses.
And Petyr and Varys are responsible for most of the problems in Westeros.
>>67663092
She was literally making all the decisions after Joff died because Tommon was like, 6.
It's why the faith gained power, why the royal fleet was given to a pirate lord, and Dorne and Highgarden are going to rebel very soon
>>67663308
They exterminated 2 shit houses and the fucking targs.
Tyrion gets A LOT of pussy.
>>67660409
>dat war of autistic inbred moronic frustration between Viserys and Joffery
>>67661458
There was no point in Roose marrying a Frey other than wanting to admit to the rest of the realm that he is a beta who does what Walder Frey wants
>>67658800
if whitehaired faggy boy didded no do things wrong, why didded he died?
>>67660388
He was just as much of a fuck up as Cersei, he just had better luck.
>>67658800
>raped and beat his sister on the regular
>sold her to Genghis Aquaman
>failed to be capable of defending himself with anything more than claims of royal right
Viserys is such a shit-tier babyman it's a joke. All the more in the books because he and Daenerys are younger.
>>67661458
>recognising Ramsay
That was a mistake. Ramsay is a loose cannon and he's destroying the Bolton name and creating bad relations with the majority of nobles in the North.
>>67663501
Roose is a goddamn joke. Yes, his ruthlessness afforded him one great, hilarious victory, but he's fucking blind to the problems infecting his own house.
>>67663459
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>>67663465
>He never raped her, you lying cunt
>He did what he needed to do. It's called pragmatism.
>His frustrations with Drogo were justified as fuck. He never intended to hold up his end of the bargain, and Viserys had had enough of his Dothraki coonery.
>>67663453
He got her weight in gold
>>67663465
>implying rape is wrong
>implying selling women is wrong
>implying he didn't let himself die so people wouldn't call him racist for killing horse niggers
>>67663501
>Destroying the Bolton name
Their sigil is a flayed man anon, they didn't have a good name to begin with.
>>67664063
Nice b8.
Also Viserys never raped Dany.
>>67661234
>Roose and Walder
Literally broke Guest rights. Theres jumping ship, then theres cursing your family.
>>67663363
Everyone except the Reach exterminated the Targs because the Targs tried to exterminate house Stark and House Baratheon
>>67663453
Freys are extremely fertile, look at Walder. He could just pop out heirs faster than Ramsay could kill them
>>67664218
And their ideals were pretty poor to begin with
I'm glad Dany gotkidnapped by anothe HorseClan
>>67662930
reminder robb was dominating before cat and her tully shit family fucked the whole thing up
>>67664294
If you actually think that your moronic. He made it how far south? Just past the twins?
If he tried to attack Kings landing, Tywin would have BTFO him in a night like they did to Stannis.
If he tried to take Casterly Rock, hes stuck on a cliff to be beseiged, and made even worse as he told Edmure to protect the crossing and Edmure did.
If Robb wasnt such a fucking moron and trusted his uncle he would have won, Stannis would have taken Kings landing and the Lannisters would have been stuck between Robb and Stannis.
He ruined it for himself with all his dumbass mistakes for "muh honor"
>>67664249
>Targ ideals
>poor
Until Aerys and his dragonspawn, the Targs were master race. Rhaegar would have been the greatest King to ever live as he tried to live within Targ ideals.
>>67664428
he was literally about to btfo tywin and the lannister host right out of the war and march on kings landing where stannis would have won the battle of the blackwater without tywins host arriving to help joff and they would have agreed a treaty
but then edmure and cat happened and the war was all but lost thanks to tully fucking shits
>>67661234
>breaking the laws of gods and men
>being good
pick one and only one. Tywin didn't do anything wrong, he was trying to keep the kingdom whole. Freys and Boltons are scum. If your leader is an idiot abandon him don't kill him with treacherous methods.
>>67664428
>muh honor
Robb wasn't honorable like his father since he broke his vows. He was a naval-gazing moralist who wanted the world to conform to his idealistic naïvety.
>>67663411
he *pays for* a lot of pussy.
>>67664538
Robb broke his vows because he deflowered Jeyne, trying to save her honor and any offspring they had from being a Bastard. He did it because he thought it was the honorable thing to do
Unless you mean the show where he did it for a tight snatch and breasts that stay right where they are.
>>67664497
In the books, he tells Edmure to guard his rear, thinking Edmure would lose to Tywin and letting Tywin cross into a trap. Edmure does what hes told and beats Tywin.
Atleast thats what he says. If you believe Robb and Blackfish actually had a plan and werent just blaming everything on Edmure then youre an idiot.
>>67664162
>Guest right
More like guessed wrong
>>67664648
>>67663620
Have you considered that Viserys is a dumb naive cunt for ever making a deal with Dothraki horselords in the first place?
What is this pragmatism bullshit? Quit flexing your junior college vocabulary and forcing your poor understanding of concepts onto a perfectly fine show - Viserys was supposed to be a naive cunt, quit trying to be edgy.
>>67658800
Even thought this is a Game of Plebs thread.
>>67664593
And it was a stupid thing to do and still wasn't honorable. Jaime already explained this. No matter what you do, you're forsaking one vow or another. The Starks love to judge everyone else, unable to realize how the world works. They don't have any more honor than the people their righteous asses condemn.
>>67664632
naw bruh he was told to defend his castle which would draw the lannisters back towards riverrun into another siege where robbs army would hopefully smash them.
Edmure decided that defending his castle meant leaving his castle and chasing away lannister troops giving tywin no reason to go to an unfavorable position.
Edmure fucked up
>>67664632
>I told you to hold Riverrun, What part of that command did you fail to comprehend?
>>67662930
Robb is just Edward IV that didn't end up winning.
>>67664735
Technically, he didn't make the deal, his handler did. He was always a commodity, with a diminishing value, especially as danny came of age.
>>67664497
>he was literally about to btfo tywin and the lannister host right out of the war
Maybe, but unlikely he actually had a plan. His "plan" was so circumstansial on Edmure losing to Tywin at the West border it just seems stupid, especially after he regretted sending Rooses batallion during the Whispering wood.
>they would have agreed a treaty
No, they wouldnt have. Do you remember the leech chapter/scene? Where Stannis "curses" Robb? Stannis saw Robb as a usurper, trying to steal the North from him. Stannis would have BTFO Robb if he had Kings Landing, especially after Robbs battle with the Lannister army.
>but then edmure and cat happened and the war was all but lost thanks to tully fucking shits
Edmure did nothing wrong and if Robb wasnt such a pussy he would have sent Cat somewhere to be imprisoned for treason (execution seemed a bit harsh for someone to do against their mother)
Robbs entire downfall was because he was a rookie trying to win a war against a psycho, a Homo and 2 Master strategists. He was doomed no matter what he did, and brought it himself in the end from all the mistakes he made within his own army.
>>67664795
>>67664819
>which would draw the lannisters back towards riverrun into another siege where robbs army would hopefully smash them
Yeah, and Robb completely failed to mention that to Edmure. Please explain the genius behind that decision.
>>67664735
You're getting angry again. Take your medicine and go to sleep.
>>67664913
tullys are not to be trusted with information ahead of time, theyre retarded
>>67664913
>hey let me just put our grand scheme not only into writing but onto ravens
Are you being serious?
>>67664795
The state of affairs when Robb leaves Riverrun: - Tywin is at Harrenhal - Stannis is sitting at Dragonstone - Renly is making his glacial procession from the South
A lot of things are up in the air. Will Tywin stay at Harrenhal? Will he take the fight to Stannis or Renly? Will Renly accept an alliance with Robb? What will Stannis do?
It's a total crap shoot.
Further, Robb has no idea that he will be able to get through the Golden Tooth so easily or that he will be able to obliterate Stafford Lannister's host with minimal losses. It's really only due to these factors that he is able to raid the Westerlands as he does and have the capability to lay a trap for Tywin at all.
At the end of the day, the order to hold Riverrun was not part of some grand design. It was a sensible order given to a troublesome Lord who proved himself to be a poor commander, spreading his forces thin but still trying to be an aggressor leading to his own capture and siege of his castle.
Robb needed to make sure Riverrun was secure as a base of operations in the Riverlands. If Tywin attacks Riverrun, Robb can smash him like he did Jaime. If he did not, Robb should've been able to at least count on Edmure to hold his ground and allow Robb to improvise, which is exactly what happened.
Granted Edmure did a great job at the Battle of the Fords from a tactical perspective. But if he lost it would've been a disaster.Robb didn't tell his plan to Edmure yet because he didn't have a plan when he left Riverrun.
>>67663224
If one of the fan theories are correct, then Aerys is actually to blame for forcing the rebellion to start before the Lannisters were officially part of the alliance. Remember that Cersei was set to marry Ned before his brother died.
>>67664648
Dont stray from the frey or you get caught in dissaray
>>67664218
Drone wasn't in on the whole thing either.
>>67664969
>hey maybe Ill just send 1 squire to give word to my uncle that Im setting a trap, I wouldnt want him to ruin it
>>67665012
>Remember that Cersei was set to marry Ned before his brother died.
dont recall this
>>67658800
i'm glad drogo die like a bitch a man with no word
>>67665012
No she wasnt. She was only set to marry Rhaegar until Aerys cucked Tywin and had Rhaegar marry Elia.
Tywin didnt like the Northmen and wanted Power. Why would he give his prized daughter to Ned, a 2nd born who inheirits nothing?
>>67664969
Robb was still in Riverrun when he told Edmure to guard it.
>>67665012
>Remember that Cersei was set to marry Ned before his brother died.
Why are you just making things up?
He was the hero the wizarding world needed the only one man enough to say muggles don't belong in our world and stand up for what was right.
>>67664764
>Based Beni
He had all the horses.
>>67665220
A REAL HUMAN BEAN AND A REAL HERO
>>67664453
>Egg
>not one of the most based Kings
>>67666063
How did you come to that assumption thats what he said? Theres very few bad Targ kings. Just Aerys is all show watchers really know about.
>>67666150
Only shit kings off the top of my head were
>Viserys I
>Aegon IV
>Aerys II
>>67664554
No pussy is free, anon. Paying for it directly is the most economic way of securing yourself a wet warm hole for a few moments.
>>67666933
Got the rest here:
>Aegon II started a war because mummy said he should be King
>Maegor I, a fucking manchild who wouldve created a succession crisis with his multiple wives
>Baelor I couldn't fuck a 3.14 qt and the Blackfyre Rebellion happened because of muh Faith
Went a little overboard but...
>>67667733
baelor the blessed was a faget
>>67658800
