What kind of changes would a modern film director make to a LOTR reboot to make it more progressive and contemporary?
>>67422620
Bit of cultural diversity in actors, and genders. Wouldn't hurt. Could still be equally as good.
Unfortunately the movie would pick up a lot of other modern film traits, which would absolutely butcher it.
>>67422620
>niggers errywhere
>>67422620
>Aragorn is a nigger
>Gimli and Legolas are openly homo, it's not just implied like in the old movies
>same goes for the SamFrodo and MerryPippin powercouples
>elves are all women and lesbians with their children growing on trees
>the Balrog wears a turban
>Sauron is Putin
>Saruman dies in an epic one-on-one magic duel against Gandalf with explosions and sparkling lights Harry Potter-style
>the ring represents gay-marriage rights and they don't intend to destroy it, but make millions of copies
>the following vidyagaem adaptation only allowes you to main a female character
>>67422620
>Lens Flare
>Dogshit level of CGI , and CGI in general where its not needed?
>Nigger elfs/dwarfs just for the sake of retard SJW not crying their eyes out
>Orks portrayed as good guys cause they are too close to nigger behavior which is racist
>>67422658
that's 'gender identities' shitlord, gender is just a social construct remember
>>67422705
>the following vidyagaem adaptation only allowes you to main a female character
Is she cute at least
They already had token black extras in the hobbit and made sure the camera lingered on them just long enough for the audience to subconsciously register them
>>67422620
it would be utter shit if it was made today:
there would be too much cgi, less practical effects, a lot of blue screens as they would have filled majority of it in small studios.
well for one the fellowship is all heterosexual white males
>>67422620
>character gender changes
>fellowship is no longer all male and has shoehorned strong independent women
I hope it'll never happen.
>>67422620
10/10 filmmaking died during late 2005 - after that, it has just been CGI after CGI without art department taking more time to properly make the movie look super realistic.
No one can prove me wrong with this!
>tfw almost every black person I've met likes LOTR
Who complains about this shit?
>>67422855
My black friend loves Star Trek, many white orientated movies, hates Obama, laughed at Will Smith in Concussion.
I think white people have the wrong mind, thinking black people really "care" if a balck person isn't in a film. According to my experience of having a black friend; they very much appreciate strong white casts.
>>67422658
Diversity is a fucking MEME
Humans would no longer be referred to as "men" but rather "personkind"
Several of the characters (likely Aragorn, Frodo and Sam) would be replaced by strong female leads.
>>67422753
Great ass but you only get a glimpse at it in the20 minute long cringeworthy cutscenesof which there are several dozen
>>67422620
What kind of changes do they need to make to the board to keep 8gaggers back in their webzone?
>>67422705
>Gimli and Legolas are openly homo, it's not just implied like in the old movies
where the fuck do they imply that you moron
it would be a interspecies thing, not just homosexuality
Sam is now female, and gets more credit for helping Frodo.
There's a female love interest in the fellowship for Aragon.
Boromir is portrayed as a much more greedy and manipulative person, all his sympathetic qualities are dumped as he now represents all that is wrong with white man. People cheer in the audience when he's killed
>>67422855
white people mostly.
they literally have nothing better to do.
I'm black and I love LotR.
>>67422908
They become the first dwarf-elf bff combo in history, do you really think they didn't go all the way?
They fucked off into immortality land soon afterwards, so it's kinda implied.
>>67422855
White guilt idiots.
I know black people, they care a lot less about the shit they're supposed to care about than you think, namely "diversity" in media, most minorities know Hollywood is a primarily white thing and they honestly don't give a shit.
Legolas is a female elf, gimli and Legolas are married at the end
>>67422967
not diverse enough
>>67422995
Legolas is a black female elf
>Aragorn and Arwen shown to be in a polyamorous relationship
>Either Legolas or Gimli is hispanic
>All characters are now "morally grey", even Sauron
>Director implies romance between Merry and Pippin
>Grimdark plot and setting, excessive grey color tones in every shot
>CGI makes up half the movies
>Eowyn leads the Battle of the Pelennor Fields
>Elves are racist dicks
>Minas Tirith shown to be a culturally diverse city, tons of niggers everywhere
>Jew portraying Faramir
>Orcish refugees start flooding into Gondor after they savagely destabilized Mordor
>After Aragorn's vasectomy Arwen adopts an Orc baby and has him named heir to the throne with Aragorn's permission
>>67423020
>Orcish refugees start flooding into Gondor after they savagely destabilized Mordor
kek
Guys, there's no religion in LoTR.
Just put turbans and crescents on orcs and crosses on men, people will lose their shit fast and bad.
The change would be that the movie straight up wouldn't be produced, I think.
I mean there are people now that legitimately believe Tolkien was a "crypto-fascist." In retrospect I think it kinda makes sense that only a New Zealand director could have done LOTR, because Peter Jackson's movies especially were free of a certain "outsider" influence on his films.
>>67422705
>sides no more
>>67422945
>so it's kinda implied.
Its not implied you sad faggot, just because people are friends with each other doesn't mean they instantly start sucking each others dicks like you do.
>>67422945
>the first dwarf-elf bff combo in history
I know you're trolling, but no.
actually involve some battle tactics instead of just charging head on into each other
>remembering those stories of a pakistani woman that was turned down from being a hobbit cause of her skin color
Kinda disgusting 2bh. Last I checked, Tolkien never went out of his way to say that there weren't any Muslim Hobbits.
>>67423152
But it's 300 slow mo spartan crap with dramatic music
>>67423152
Modern movies that portray medieval battle are famous for this, of course. This was only something that's recently been amended.
>>67422945
Gimly, provided he actually did cross over, died in the Undying Lands. Much like Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam if he did join Frodo.
>>67423191
>literally making the wise elf Elrond a magic negro
Wow, disgusting stereotypcial bigotry from this artist please someone fix this immediately
>>67423152
The best part of the hobbit trilogy was when the dwarfs turned to the orcs and formed the phalanx, the worst part was when the elves fucking jumped over it. like what the fuck, they just formed possibly the strongest formation in the medieval world and then they drop it for hand to hand combat
>>67423191
>ALL the powerful people of the Free Peoples are shitskins.
Cmon man.
>>67423240
So it's not only gay it's sad too aawww.
>>67423191
>Yeah, Saruman is a woman. Fight me.
>>67423191
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
>>67423191
>chick boromir
Great, that means we can complain that the weak-willed flake of the Fellowship that attempts to take the Ring and essentially breaks them all up was portrayed by a woman.
>>67423171
The funny thing is only fallohide hobbits (the took and brandybuck clans) were ever described as fair-skinned. the other breeds, the Harfoots and Stoors, were consistently described as "brown" with curly, dark hair - the Harfoots being the browner of the two, and the Stoors being very broad and resembling dwarves or breeland men more than other hobbits
A smattering of different phenotypes among the shire wouldn't be far fetched at all, considering how much inbreeding goes on there. Though "Brown" could just have easily been meant to describe having tanned skin from tending to farms all day.
>>67423427
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD
>>67423270
But then how could you appreciate the perfect fight choregraphy and the supreme elven skill?
>>67423401
I've seen one article talk about how if you changed any one character in the fellowship to a woman, suddenly all of their flaws and basic traits would be seen as damning female stereotypes by the audience.
Female Sam would be a submissive doormat, female Frodo would be moody and selfish, female merry/pippin would be flighty and obnoxious...
It's a situation where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't, since audiences can apparently only put up with nuanced, flawed characters if they're also male.
>>67423209
Amended in what movies?
>>67423152
hell, TDKR's final battle involves people just charging head on into each other, with fucking machine guns blazing
>>67422855
White people who gets offended on others behalf.
Yeah, who here remembers the "old days" 15 fucking years ago?
Did they even have written language back then?
>>67422658
Intentionally miscast a classic because it doesnt fit your faggot liberal agenda.
:^) Go back to Le'ddit
>>67422620
You couldn't make anyone in the fellowship black:
- Frodo is the protagonist, and the main guy in an ensemble movie is never black, it just doesn't happen
- Sam is Frodo's servant, making him black would be taken really poorly
- Gandalf would become a 'magical negro', again it would be perceived negatively
- Boromir dies in the first movie, again not a safe choice
- Gimli (in the movie) is a comic relief, still not a good pick
- Legolas would become the noble savage more in touch with nature than the white man, it's like the casting is a minefield
It only leaves Aragorn and the comic relief hobbits.
>>67424172
>comic relief hobbits.
Because that could not be taken badly at all. Especially when they grow taller later when in the care of Treebeard.
>AragornHOL UP
Probably the only choice.
cast actual midgets as hobbits. it's 2016, I for one, am out raged midget roles keep going to normal sized actors. they keep complaining about no good midget roles out there, but when there are, they cast normal sized actors for it.
>>67424353
because midgets look like deformed people, and hobbits simply were little people
>Cast Elves as Jews
>Cast Humans as Whites
>Cast Orcs as Moslem
>Cast Saruman as a Jew
>Frodo and Sam are Spics.
>>67422620
>aragorn is a young white woman
>gimli played by melissa mccarthy
>hobbits are like native americans, in tune with nature
>overtly gay sam and frodo
>elves are black
>wizards are all old woman
>repeated dialogue about how orcs are not all bad
>merry and pippin are only "good" white males and are relegated to comedy relief
>flashback of sauron as a white man
>"men are weak" is now a gendered, racial statement since gondor is white
>ring = patriarchy
>boromir is the representative of white men who reject feminism instead of becoming progressive and fighting patriarchy
>subplot of how denethor is a misogynist and doesn't respect women
you don't even have to imagine. just watch the hobbit flicks.
>>67422908
Dont take they bait kid
>>67424719
>flicks
>>67422620
I can't imagine anyone other than Viggo portraying Aragorn. He was so perfect
>>67423695
This.
I know it's /v/ related, but it explains it all perfectly.
>>67426087Hemsworth
>>67422620
I laways wondered why Aragons hair is always semi wet in every scene. Was it just to make him look cooler?
>>67426087
Lord of the rings was perfect casting all round.
But there were already thousands of blacks in the original trilogy.
>>67422855
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOGt93auZNM
shit like this exists
i don't even wanna think about it op
>>67426486
I thought that video was supposed to be ironic.
>>67426486
Isn't person of colour more racist than just calling them black?
That's something I've never wrapped my head around.
>>67426486
>What do you smell?
>MANFLESH
I laugh every time
>>67422705
>the Balrog wears a turban
>>67422658
fuck off reddit
>>67422620
>black dwarves literally don't exist
is dwarfism some kind of vodoo magic against the white man?
>Arwen replaces Legolas in the fellowship and has a lot more scenes of stronk wymon being badass
> Sam turned female (Samantha Gamyi)
> At least one of the hobbit cousins turned female
> Gondorians portrayed as latino people with olive skin
> CGI orcs and scenerarios
> Le epic 20min CGI battles with the Balrog, Lurtz, Saruman, Wtich King and Mouth of Sauron
>>67423020
This hbt
>>67426486
LOOKS LIKE MEATS BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS
pic related saves frodo and aragorn from sauron
>>67422620
Middle Earth is Middle East
Valinor is Germany and Sweden
>>67422658
>would still be good
The English background of the text is integral to the story. Putting niggers in it ruins the fucking story, there's a reason Tolkien didn't write them as brown nigger Muslim homosexuals
>>67422658
>Bit of cultural diversity in actors, and genders. Wouldn't hurt. Could still be equally as good.
>>67422620
Gandalf the Black
>>67422620
>implying the original trilogy isn't already progressive as fuck
>muh strong wymyn characters with romances that had barely any presence in the books
it was where all this mess begun and you know it
>LOTR was made as the greatest film trilogy of all time before SJW shit ever got it's hands on it
>It is forever cemented in history as the greatest
>>67426486
I hope to fuck those comments are just people being ironic.
>>67422620
basically like hobbits
literally introduce a new character that is female/black
>>67428910
Did he steal Narya?
Something like this I guess famalam
>>67428849
>there's a reason Tolkien didn't write them as brown nigger Muslim homosexuals
And that reason was?
>>67429201
Maybe you need to learn how to breathe through your nose, before you attempt to ask a stupid question
>>67423191
>>67429088
>>67429227
>Maybe you need to learn how to breathe through your nose, before you attempt to ask a stupid question
Yeah I thought so, couldn't defend your retarded points.
>>>/pol/
>>67422620
The only white male in the party would emphasize he's a transgender lesbian to show he's not evil for being white.
The rest would be blacks, mexicans, and arabs.
Sauron and the orcs would be re-tooled to look like nazis.
Arwen will be played by Lena Dunham and Galandriel will be played by Gabrielle Sibisi
>>67422620
>Black/Darkened guy from some random eastern faction joining the fellowship in Anduin
>Later, he joins Aragorn Legolas and Gimli in the split, and at the end of the story he is portrayed as playing an important role in the defense of Minas Tirith, and Aragorn gives him a special thanks during his coronation.
>Pippin and Merry are openly gay
>Haradrim are caucasian looking instead of arabic
>Arwen has an affair with some random rivendell elf (like Lindir), betraying Aragorn, but in the end she still end up with him, and Aragorn forgives her
>Galadriel goes to war personally and makes hundreds of kills
>Celeborn is nowhere to be seen
>Eowyn is not only encouraged to join the men in war, but she personally leads some sort of female rohirrim special squad
>>67430114
>Arwen has an affair with some random rivendell elf (like Lindir), betraying Aragorn, but in the end she still end up with him, and Aragorn forgives her
I could totally see that happening.
>>67423270
>phalanx
>medieval
I hated that part too though.
>>67423270
>>67430221
Obviously lighter elven force should have split and flanked both sides while the dwarves held solid in the center.
>>67426486
>those comments
>>67430279
>not deploying the based elves as the hypaspists
shiggy
>>67429737
>le /pol/ boogeyman
>>67422658
spotted the black guy too lazy to come up with his own shit
>>67422620
Lord of the Rings was never movie material, Peter Jackson probaly did the definitive adaptation for it even though each film is like, 3 hours long, compared to what John Boorman intended to do and what Ralph Bakshi attempted there probaly wouldn't be much to change other than shoehorn more action scenes than it already has.
>>67422620
Jackson already ruined the source material with progressiveness. See: Arwen.
>>67422620
The Ralph Bakshi film was more diverse
>Aragorn was a native American
>Samwise was a aboriginee
>Legolas was a femboi
>Boromir was a Viking
>Frodo's character actor was a woman
>the Orcs were niggers
When you talk about diversity, Ralph Bakshi was your man.
>>67430329
read between the lines and you'll notice a lot have been deleted
>>67426087
I don't get this
if you're familiar with any LOTR material other than the movies you'd know that in the movies Aragorn is a wuss, not nearly enough of a presence for the type of character which requires Charlton Heston-tier presence, for the films he served his purpose but it didn't do the character justice, maybe if you're looking from a anime/D&D perspective like Jackson did
>>67423240
>died in the Undying Lands
Tolkien was such a hack.
>Tolkien starts rolling in his grave so quickly people harness his corpse to a generator to produce power
>>67426486
But Orcs aren't niggers.
At least Orcs work together and have actually built a functioning society
>>67429088
fucking kek
>>67432115
>implying he already wasn't by the time Return of the King got 11 Oscars
>>67422620
>Aragorn is black
>elves are black
>orcs are straight white males
>sauron and saruman are straight white males
>hobbits are white and black and asian but are all gay
>Rohan is all women knights who ride horses and are badass
>gladriel is a badass lesbian
>>67432259
>>implying he already wasn't by the time Return of the King got 11 Oscars
Why would that upset him?
>>67432587
going by the theatrical versions, they are only 30% book, 40% schlocky action, rest actual movie-making, Christopher Tolkien has gone on record saying that he hated the films, if that was bad imagine the Hobbit Trilogy
>>67432688
>Christopher Tolkien
Is an asshat who thinks he amounts to anything because his father wrote about middleearth and all the books associated with it, guy is literally a asshole, stop parroting stuff /tv/ says, makes you look stupid
>>67432326
Sounds good. Produced by Ishmael Shekelgoldsteinberg and finanzed by George Soros.
>>67432820
>/tv/
I never come to /tv/ for LOTR discussion, I literally exausted it all on dumb Youtube comment sections, for the record, Tolkien refused LOTR to be adapted 3 times for the screen, he had to die and UA to get his daughter to ''bless'' the animated movie, who was pretty much word-for-word from the book.
I get why Peter Jackson did what he did, on the screen Tolkien's words have little meaning, the overall structure for LOTR is definately not fit for film and honestly, it's where I wish PJ was less faithful to the books in that regard, each film didn't need to be 3 hours long, even less have a director's cut that adds 1 hour to each movie
>>67432820
>>67432688
>>67432587
>>67432259
I don't give a shit about his son or whatever, but sometimes I ask myself if Tolkien himself would have liked the films
If I remember correctly he didn't want a movie adaptation, but to be honest at his time there weren't the necessary technical instruments and budgets to do justice to LOTR, the movies would have probably been shit
But maybe, if he could have seen the wonderful trilogy that came out, with those perfect sceneries, battles, props, acting and music, he would have reconsidered...
Would the LOTR movies be Tolkien approved, /tv/?
>>67426878
"Colored person" is super-racist
"Person of color" or "PoC" is in vogue and totally acceptable.
I hate people sometimes.
>WE WUZ NUMENOREANS
>>67422753
She's attractive, but her armpits and legs aren't shaved, and it's pretty noticeable
>>67432978
No.
If you have watched any film from the 1960's you'd know that they could have pulled off the Battles, the armies and the costumes, not to mention the films would run as long as 4 hours, the reason Tolkien didn't want his story adapted was because he didn't write movie material, he wrote 6 books with their own internal structure, trying to adapt would've been a disaster.
And then you have the fact that the film waters down the characters so they're more fit for a movie rather than a book, the whole visual style of the LOTR films is the exact opposite of the gritty dark foggy atmosphere of the book, it's supposed to be a retelling of his experiences in WW1, aka it wouldn't have that sleek silver look to everything.
They're impressive movies and make the scale justice but Tolkien wouldn't be happy with them, it's just one of those things that can't happen
>>67429737
Middle Earth is designed to represent an alternate mythos to the lore of ancient Europe.
Europe used to be white.
This is not a difficult concept.
If Tolkien wrote a mythos for Africa then you can cast all the fag niggers you want
>>67422620
Hobbit and lotr are all allegories for the world war tolkien was in, so it makes sense that all the MCs are white males. It's just his fantasy version of real life events.
That said, dnd has like, a million books and stories that are already modernized that could be adapted. Why does no one do a faerun or dragon lance movie?
>>67429201
It's not inspired by and based on brown nigger homosexual mythology.
"I am no man. You look upon atranswoman"
>Eowyn stands in the background cheering as as brave Eomyr stabs the witch king
>>67422620
Same thing every movie is missing, tragedy.
>>67433171
>Hobbit and lotr are all allegories
Literally not true at all.
>>67433171
Forgotten Realms, rather. Faerun is just the world it takes place in.
>>67433171
It's not an allegory for anything, it's a fantasy story based on european mythology and history.
>>67433171
>Hobbit and lotr are all allegories for the world war tolkien was in
People were spouting this meme in the 1950s. Please stop. Tolkien was not writing an allegory, and vehemently opposed those who cast it as such.
>>67433216
>Eowyn is a trans
>No man can destroy me!
>I am no man.
>*stabs him*
>*he doesn't die*
>>67433216
keked
>>67433138
N-not even a little?
Tolkien would have benn annoyed and disgusted listening to Concerning Hobbits, or the Rohan theme?
It can't be true senpai
>>67433273Howard Shore's score is overrated, desu shm senpai
>>67433237
You're right, just lotr is. Hobbit is literally just a fun kids book.
But my point stands. Forgotten Realms and Dragon Lance would be more appropriate for diversification because they were already modernized for dnd and have a HUGE mix of races and subraces, so casting colored folk makes way more sense in those stories.
I can't believe no one has thought of doing a forgotten realms cinematic universe.
>>67422620
Full female cast like Ghostbusters
>>67433343
>You're right, just lotr is
no
>>67433267
>>67433216
Witchking stands there awkwardly, wondering if it's worth the twitter backlash from the orcs if he kills trans-eowyn.
>>67433343
>I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers.
> I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.
>>67433244
>>67433249
>>67433237
Oh so he WAS just a racist patriarchal faggot then . Got it.
>>67433343
>You're right, just lotr is.
Confirmed for having not read LOTR.
>>67433461
Am I being baited?
>>67433481
False, go fuck yourself.
>>67433461
He was great, you're a lowly piece of shit that's not even worth enough to lick the bottom of his shoes.
>>67433273
Unless Tolkien had a stick up his ass, I really can't see him not liking the Shire stuff at least. Seriously can't see him (or anyone) not at least cracking a smile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PcUnqlPA8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meK0G3o9mPw
>Fireworks Gandalf! Fireworks!
>>67433527
You must have some serious comprehension difficulties if you didn't catch the part where Tolkien explicitly states that LOTR isn't an allegory.
>>67433551
The Shire was fucking great, literally 10/10 stuff.
>>67433556
No I missed that part in the story where frodo breaks the fourth wall to explicitly state that to the reader, you fucking idiot.
>>67433556
They tell you never write a main character based on yourself because you'll inevitably project all over him.
Same goes for a setting. You might not want to be a gigantic allegory and you may not want to simply copy the world map but shit just naturally happens because that's how human brains work.
Not him btw
>>67433547
Nah he was a racist hack who stole from mythology to create a shitty bible story.
>>67433632
>What is a foreword
>>67433304
>Literally the greatest soundtrack off all time
>overrated
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-34748803
>>67433655
Allegory is by definition intentional, so what you described doesn't really count.
>>67433664
>not in the book
>>67433681
Anon being on top of someone's goat list the definition of being overrated
>>67433721
Are you still going to try and argue that LOTR is an allegory? Go read the foreword to the Fellowship of the Ring.
>>67422620
cultural diversity. it would work in certain ways. pic related.
>>67433655
>>67433660
Jesus Christ you people are dumb.
>>67433660
Am I going to have to post your little atheist hat?
>>67433694
Allegory: a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaninh, typically a moral or political one.
Nothing in the definition seems to imply it has to be intentional. The majority of shit linguistics and scholars interpret as some sort of literary device is completely unintentional. Mostly it's subconscious, often it's misinterpretation but more often than not it's a product of the human brain repeating patterns and tropes with source amnesia
>>67433846
Linguists*
>>67423020
>Elves are racist dicks
If anything, the elves would be black, because they are just THAT noble and pure of heart above the evil white humans.
>>67433509
>>67433461
Yes, the above is almost certainly bait.
Total Tolkienfag here
Stop making me angry pls
>>67434151
Fellow tolkienfag here; I agree with you. This thread is fucking terrible.
Between the race-bait, the SJW-bait, and the people actually thinking LotR is an allegory - please just stop.
>>67434197
Sauron was Hitler desu.
>>67434197
>a-allegories have to be intentional!
Sorry anon you don't get to write the dictionary
>>67434248
>hitler
lol
>>67433304
No. Just no.
>>67434308
When the author outright disowns the concept, you don't get to hide behind the dictionary.
>>67434635
It's impossible to write anything without allegories all over the place. The concept of an allegory is broad and unavoidable, it's at the very core of literature. Tolkien is simply compensating for not realizing his own subconscious allegories at the time of writing, and unwilling to have his work "officially" interpreted in a way he never intended. That doesn't mean his work isn't absolutely smothered in allegories, because it totally is.
>>67433765
>not in the book
>>67434635
There's no way you can live through WW1 and not be influenced by it. Nobody ever wants to admit their influences, and most of people's influences are invisible to them.
>>67434197
LotR is clearly an allegory. Whether Tolkien says it is or otherwise doesn't change the book he wrote.
>>67424633
>>gimli played by melissa mccarthy
My sides
jajajjajajajaajaj
>>67434790
I see it like this. There are no new stories; everything written must invariably draw from what's been written before and what's going on at the author's time. So, LotR certainly has allegorical elements - most stories do.
With that being said, it is not an allegory. It's primary focus is not to express some encoded idea. Rather (as Tolkien said himself, and as his friends knew), it is going for something more genuine. Even at the time - everyone was trying to write allegorically, and with irony - but Tolkien didn't want anything of that.
Everyone in this thread should watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkmNHP58OhU
>>67422925
This. Who honestly gives a damn? Just give me a good actor that can play his part faithfully.
>>67423191
JYHKEDHJVGVVD,JFVJBEJDCBEKDVMBJEDUHVKEUGVKEDBHKVUEDVBMH
FUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKK
>>67422855
i have one arab friend and he is obsessed with lotr
>>67435101
>i have one arab friend
>>67426179
I think he was just a greasy fucker. All that time in the wild, bro. Can't be trusted.
>>67433425
A sword is an even, oppressive tool wieled only by men to cause terror among the poor Orcs. Unless it's used by a transrohirrim, in which case it's a symbol of power and the Witch-King needs to understand that it's literally the current Age.
>>67434036
Let's take the Fury Road path.
Every elf is an old Chinese woman.
>>67435150
I have a ton of black and arab friend and they loved LotR
>>67422705
>>the ring represents gay-marriage rights and they don't intend to destroy it, but make millions of copies
>>67434981
Please end your life in the most gentle and painful way possible
I can understand niggers and whatnot liking the movies because they're kind of toned down and more accessible, but how the fuck could you relate to the books. They are very explicit in lavishing praise upon whiteness and white culture and equally explicit in shitting all over everything non-white. Imagining a nigger reading that shit and trying to relate to the heroes is hilarious.
>>67422855
Literally all the blacks i know love LOTR and don't give a shit about diversity in hollywood etc. That liberal bullshit is pushed by kikes and white guilt faggots.
>>67422620
The Hobbit.
>>67433249
Then it was subconscious. If you think it didn't shape him, you're retarded.
>>67433249
I read that foreword too. But as he says himself, it could have been unconscious.
Plus there are DEFINITELY elements of it. He rejected specific parallels like the razing of the Shire, but Sam Gamgee is a confirmed batman:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_%28military%29
>J. R. R. Tolkien took the relationship of his characters Samwise Gamgee and Frodo Baggins from his observations while in military service during World War I of the relationship between a batman and his officer.
Not to mention authorial intent doesn't matter at all. It's a fallacy to think it does.
>>67432193
thats only because they are guided by sauron, king among whites, and the nazgul, white kings.
which is fitting.
>>67422620
Use the fucking eagles and fly the shit to Mordor tbph
Why is everybody comparing tolkein orcs to black people? When tolkein wanted Africans in his books he just put in literal human Africans (elephant-riding spear-throwing haradrim guys)
The only humans he ever compared orcs to were that (visually) they were a debased caricature of Mongols, and culturally they represented all the horrible excesses of modern industrialization. His quote "We were all orcs in the Great War" specifically compares orcs to Britain, France and Germany.
He hated "men with minds of machines and wheels" who were paving over all the greenery left in the world. Orcs were thus crafty and technologically advanced, but heartless. And they were smaller and weaker than humans. The whole "hulking noble savage" thing didn't come around until blizzard made their orcs.
>>67438020
This. I wish people (both /pol/ and "SJWs" alike) would stop making LotR about race. It's not about race at all.
>>67438089
The LotR universe functions as a creation myth for England/Europe. It's not "about" race by any stretch of the imagination, but that doesn't change the fact that the books are heavily European in focus and in influence. All of the forces of good are physically white, with their white features described in detail. The cultures and languages mirror those of Europe. And all of the forces of evil are described as being physically non-white, with their culture mimicking that of Africa and Asia. Claiming LotR isn't about race is accurate, it's more about language if you want to pin it down to one thing, but the implication when you say that is that the books are a beautiful multicultural paradise where the concept of race is not even explored. Because race does play a role, and like it or not the /pol/ and the SJWs are kind of right when they say that the role is essentially "whites vs. everyone else".
Why did Tolkien hate industrialization?
>>67438325
because he was an country gent that lived through the battle of the Somme.
>>67422620
Adding this guy
>>67438325
>>67438399
This, and the fact that he saw the trees, meadows, and even old buildings of his hometown being razed for ugly wartime structures.
If this ever happens I swear to my waifu that I will kill myself.
>>67422620
They'd probably take the Woodwoses, aka Tree Indians, back in. Now, that would be reasonable, since they come from the books. But their importance would be blown out of proportion and they would feature heavily even in FotR and TT.
Tolkien was a conservative who hated niggers
>>67438900
>conservative makes fascist anti-gay, anti-ethnic fantasy unintelligent christian trash that appeals to other unintelligent christians and white "people"
Figures.
>>67437527
Imagining a nigger reading is hilarious
