Daily reminder that if you haven't seen ALL of the films listed here, you are a turbo pleb.
http://www.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/sightandsoundpoll2012/critics
Why do plebs always talk about welles, bunuel, hitchcock, fellini, bergman, ozu, spielberg, peckinpah, godard, truffaut, dreyer, bresson, kurosawa, imamura, ichikawa, mizoguchi, visconti, troell, ford, hawks, eisenstein, tarkovsky, vertov, renoir, murnau, sternberg, lang, griffith, scorsese, coppola, chabrol, rohmer, leone, tavernier, kusterica, yimou, kubrick, wilder, wyler, wajda, polanski, rosselllni, desica, antonioni, bertolucci, clouzot, carol reed, boorman, demille, eastwood, kiarostami, szabo, jansco, depalma, vigo, donen, lean, and satyajit ray as if they were the pinnacle of cinema?
>2012+4
>not being a turbo pleb
OP confirmed geezer with half of that shit occurring before the First World War
>>67324492
Out of all the Lynch films they picked Mullholland Drive, fucking really? Eraserhead would've been a much better option.
Now in visual format
>>67324659
Eraserhead made the top 250.
>>67324684
But the directors is much worse than the critics
>>67324684
That's the Directors list. Slightly different from the critics list.
>>67324728
There's only two good critics
And one of them is dead
>>67324684
Only seen 26.
Killing myself.
>>67324684
The fawning over Tokyo Story always baffles me
>>67324492
Only a turbo virgin would enjoy Battleship Batompnik or whatever its called
>>67324916
BADDLESIP BADOMPKIN :DDDD
>>67324659
>they picked
Its a poll
>>67324768
Rosenbaum, Brody, Agee, Rivette, Bazin, the list goes on...
>watching Shoah
Why would I sit sit through 8 hours of Jew lies?
>>67324916
Why? It's a very engaging film.
32/100 desu. don't care much for rote canon worship
>>67325283
not really
>>67324684
>tfw only seen 6 of these
I don't understand why Potemkin is on there. It may be important to cinematic and Soviet history, but it is a terrible film in terms of script and acting. Even the cinematography was nothing special considering Eisenstein was rather in his setting.
>>67325418
Read something about it. You don't understand its greatness yet.
>>67324684
56/100 here, biggest hole is any french stuff other than Truffaut, Grand Illusion, A Man Escaped and Rules of the Game. I watched some Melville, but he's not on there.
>>67325504
I am familiar with the historical context, I watched it as part of a class on 20th century history which largely zeroed in on the Russo-Japanese war and the events surrounding it.
Is there something else I should be aware of that makes it 'great'?
>>67324728
I disagree. I personally prefer the director's list.
>>67324684
45/100 almost 46 - I've seen soo many parts of Battleship Potemkin that I've practically seen the whole film, but I don't count it until I've seen it from start to finish.
>>67324659
Agreed. Eraserhead is still the #1 film in his filmography in my opinion.
>>67324684
48
I still have a backlog of movies sitting on my hard drive waiting to be seen.
>>67325418
>it is a terrible film in terms of script and acting.
You're looking at it the wrong way then. The plot is a means for the politics
>Even the cinematography was nothing special
I can't even comprehend this. Did you watch the Odessa Steps? Every shot of that is beautiful and compelling, my hair was on end during it. The intricacy of the editing is unmatched while keeping the action and narrative clear for the audience
>>67325881
Yes. It's not about the historical context.
>>67325556
A Man Escaped is a very good "small" movie with pretty flawless writing and direction though very spare in terms of cinematic razzle dazzle
I fucking hate Vertigo for some reason. Can't get into it at all.
>>67327643
>I have objectively shit taste
I'm getting there. 31 left.
>>67324492
>tfw only seen 80
just kill me now
>>67324492
>Jean Luc Godard
>>67329419
>tasteless children get mad at the mere mention of Godard's name or image
Everytime and it amuses and saddens
>>67329533
Same
no surprise it's a cartoon shitter
>>67327643
I pity you
>>67327643
Hitchcock sucks.
>>67329262
Sunrise and Beau Travail are my recs. The latter has become semi-canonized with the last Sight and Sound and I hope it goes up more in the next one
>>67330176
lolling hard
I've seen only Godfathers and Seven Samurais and didn't like it. What now?
>>67330176
BAHHAHAHAHHA
>>67330518
what have you been doing your whole life?
>>67330518
I've seen almost all of that list and I'd say Seven Samurai is one of the worst movies on the list. I have no idea how people can love that movie. It is such a fucking dull slog it's ridiculous. It's the worst Kurosawa movie of the 7 or 8 I've seen by a wide, wide margin.
>>67330566
I'm more of a tv-show kind of person and I go to cinema when there is something somebody wants to go to
>>67330606
What's best movie from Kurosawa?
>>67330713
Throne of Blood and Ikiru are my favourites from him.
>>67330726
Thanks, will watch asap
>>67324659
Blue Velvet is there too
I have seen all of them, some more than once. Get sucking, OP.
>>67324492
What about THIS list?
http://www.scaruffi.com/cinema/best100.html
>>67324561
It's all they have.
>>67331063
The fact that so many lists still name Citizen Kane as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" film ever only tells you how far film still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Film critics are still blinded by commercial success. Orson Welles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore he must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Film critics are often totally ignorant of the films of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that Orson Welles did anything worthy of being saved.
>bunch of prehistorical movies that people (mainly self-indulging old people and artsy hipsters) pretend to like in order to be accepted by their pretentious peers
Nah, I'm good with not having people tell me what to watch.
>>67324492
Literally only seen The Godfather and Taxi Driver in that entire list.
Didn't really like either of them.
How pleb am I?
>>67331215
Ok then. This is not the board for you. Reddit might be more to your speed.
>>67331244
What do you like?
>>67331244
Why are you even browsing /tv/? Do you have even a remote interest in film?
Vatican film list is one of the most patricians I've seen:
Religion
Andrei Rublev Andrei Tarkowsky (1969, USSR)
The Mission Roland Joffé (1986, UK)
La passion de Jeanne d’Arc (The Passion of Joan of Arc) Carl T. Dreyer (1928, France)
La vie et la passion de Jésus Christ (Life and Passion of Christ)Ferdinand Zecca and Lucien Nonguet (1905, France)
Identified on the Vatican film list as La Passion Pathé
Francesco, giullare di Dio (The Flowers of St. Francis / Francis, God’s Jester) Roberto Rossellini (1950, Italy)
Il vangelo secondo Matteo (The Gospel According to Matthew) Pier Paolo Pasolini (1964, France/Italy)
Thérèse Alain Cavalier (1986, France)
Ordet (The Word) Carl T. Dreyer (1955, Denmark)
Offret — Sacrificatio (The Sacrifice) Andrei Tarkowsky (1986, Sweden/UK/France)
Francesco Liliana Cavani (1989, Italy/Germany)
Ben-Hur [A Tale of the Christ] William Wyler (1959, USA)
Babettes gæstebud (Babette’s Feast) Gabriel Axel (1987, Denmark)
NazarÃn Luis Buñuel (1958, Mexico)
Monsieur Vincent Maurice Cloche (1947, France)
A Man for All Seasons Fred Zinnemann (1966, UK)
Values
Gandhi Richard Attenborough (1982, UK/USA/India)
Intolerance D. W. Griffith (1916, USA)
Dekalog (The Decalogue) Krzysztof Kieslowski (1987, Poland)
Identified on the Vatican film list as Il Decalogo
Au Revoir, Les Enfants (Goodbye, Children) Louis Malle (1987, France)
Dersu Uzala Akira Kurosawa (1974, Japan)
L’albero degli zoccoli (The Tree of the Wooden Clogs) Ermanno Olmi (1978, Italy/France)
Roma, città aperta (Open City) Roberto Rossellini (1946, Italy)
Smultronstället (Wild Strawberries) Ingmar Bergman (1957, Sweden)
Det sjunde inseglet (The Seventh Seal) Ingmar Bergman (1957, Sweden)
Chariots of Fire Hugh Hudson (1981, UK)
Ladri di biciclette (The Bicycle Thief) Vittorio de Sica (1948, Italy)
It’s a Wonderful Life Frank Capra (1946, USA)
(1/2)
>Shoah
so you cucks actually watch this kike propaganda garbage?
fuck off
>>67331348
Schindler’s List Steven Spielberg (1993, USA)
On the Waterfront Elia Kazan (1954, USA)
Biruma No Tategoto (The Burmese Harp) Kon Ichikawa (1956, Japan)
Art
2001: A Space Odyssey Stanley Kubrick (1968, UK/USA)
La Strada Federico Fellini (1954, Italy)
Citizen Kane Orson Welles (1941, USA)
Metropolis Fritz Lang (1927, Germany)
Modern Times Charlie Chaplin (1936, USA)
Napoléon Abel Gance (1927, Italy)
8½ Federico Fellini (1963, Italy)
La grande illusion (Grand Illusion) Jean Renoir (1937, France)
Nosferatu F. W. Murnau (1922, Germany)
Stagecoach John Ford (1939, USA)
Il Gattopardo (The Leopard) Luchino Visconti (1963, Italy/France)
Fantasia (1940, USA)
The Wizard of Oz Victor Fleming (1939, USA)
The Lavender Hill Mob Charles Crichton (1951, UK)
Little Women George Cukor (1933, USA)
>>67331272
Literally you.
>>67324561
They are
>>67331348
>>67331388
This is what the "True Church" does? Sit around and say "The Lavender Hill Mob, that's a pretty essential film, wouldn't you say?" I mean, it's a good list, but I feel very happy to be protestant now.
>>67324863
Even if you're not a big fan I think it's easy to see his appeal. His work is sublime -- simple and human
>Shoah
What's the big deal with Vertigo? I like basically every movie on the list except for that one. For the fans, why do you like it? What sets it apart?
>>67331505
It's old and made by Hitchcock so it's impervious to criticism.
>>67331295
I don't really mind what something's about as long as it evokes a certain emotion when experiencing it.
Same with music, books, games etc
>>67331308
I like to hear your take on things and once I filter through some of the bullshit I usually get pretty good recommendations from you cunts.
Yes, but it is indeed remote.
Not one of my main boards but I lurk here from time to time.
>>67331348
>>67331388
Cuckolded Vatican II shit.
>>67331583
Way to needlessly dodge the question, I was going to try and rec you something
>>67331505
I didn't like it the first time I saw it. Have you only seen it once? I'd give it another chance. It is very slow, but that's it's appeal, the dreamlike quality. You have to be in the right mood for it, but when you are it's one of the best experiences I've ever had watching a film.
>>67324659
Maybe its because MD is MILES better than his other movies?
Well, if you weren't a pleb faggot you would know
>>67329262
watch Fanny and Alexander, it is my favorite from Bergman
>>67331694
>MD is MILES better than his other movies
lolno
Hitchcock is overrated.
>>67330726
>Ikiru
Literally a Frank Capra movie in Japanese, massively overrated. It's not bad but it probably doesn't even belong in the top 1000 films of all time.
Hitchcock is, historically, the reason auteur theory even came to be. He's highly regarded for the same reason Citizen Kane is- both initiated new discussion on film, and a lot of film theory is based around both as a prime example.
They're also both excellent, though not GOAT.
>>67324684
19, which isn't bad.
>>67324492
godard was once a maoist who championed the murderous ideology of mao zedong and the khmer rouge. we condemn griffith and riefenstahl of their political sins, but griffith serioiusly tried to prove he was not a hater after 'birth of a nation'. and riefenstahl insisted she loathed nazism but had simply done as told. maybe they were full of shit but at least they tried to publicly distance themselves from extreme politics.
not godard who espoused the most extreme, murderous, and destructive form of leftism. film scholars, so outraged about long dead griffith and long irrelevant riefenstahl, never demanded of godard to face up to his past sins. unlike kurosawa and bergman who candidly confessed their cowardice in face or approval of, respectively, japanese militarism and nazism, godard has never ever apologized in general, or in specific to the countless victims of the tyrants he supported with all his heart.
godard celebrated and championed mao's total destruction of culture and intellectual life and the khmer rouge that transformed camodia overnight into a genocidal stone age marxist state. fuck that piece of shit.
>>67331915
cool
>>67331915
Hands down my favorite pasta.
Maoists make no sense to me, as if Godard wouldn't be among the first dropped off at a rice field if he was Chinese
I've seen 2/3 of them.
Yes you should have seen most of these of you are a pleb. I should see them all eventually. But you should really actually study them. these are film school movies. they are the ones that influenced genres and the mainstream and form etc etc. So really you have to do more than just watch them.
>>67331915
this might be the biggest insult to godard tho. it says we don' even really care what his politics were, he doesn't even matter enough to society or culture to ask for an apology.
anyways, there are people who more directly cause more death than he ever did X100 000 that are still living that people celebrate.
>>67331505
isn't it b/c of the shots and cuts and edits?
you shouldn't watch films for narrative too much you know. that is kind of pleb famalam
>>67331694
lol
, md is petty naive trash with nothing to offer than ,,muh hollywood is cruel capitalism bad,,
only.good.bit is silencio
>>67331915
Birth of a Nation heavily contributed to the return of the Klu Klux Klan and is probably responsible for hundreds if not thousands of lynchings.
Triumph of the Will pretty much set the standard for how the murderous Nazi regime would portray itself in propaganda and the film is in part responsible for the propagation of Nazi racial superiority and the holocaust.
Godard made some shitty films that literally no one other than french intellectuals and film nerds saw. None of the films he made after the 60s had any impact whatsoever.
weak pasta tbhfam
>>67331915
>most likely pasta
The real problem with Godard is that his films stink. His only achievement was formal innovation, even that is questionable since Brecht pioneered the techniques he utilized.
Marxists aesthetics and anit-aesthetics are patronizing and boring for the most part, they can be interesting if used sparingly. Godard's films, Brecht's plays, and a lot of modern art is shit because they all heavily rely on these aesthetics.
>>67324684
A good quarter of those films are just very good movies. Certainly not the greatest films ever made.
>>67331826
>Literally a Frank Capra movie in Japanese
>Thinking this is a bad thing
>it's a /tv/ tries to talk about film thread
Just stick to your cuck generals and irc hugboxes please
>>67331348
Catholics are pretty based
>all the Godard shitposting itt
/tv/ the capeshit board after all
>>67331360
>anything depicting the Holocaust is propaganda
/pol/ makes me laugh
>>67331826
Ikiru is great, man. What Capra films does it resemble? I've only seen It Happened One Night and Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
What I love about Ikiru is its emotional complexity. Visually it's not -that- interesting (although Kurosawa pulls some cool tricks), but its story has more gravity than essentially anything coming out of Hollywood at that time.Killing the protagonist halfway throughwas also a very brave storytelling decision, and would still be radical today.
I'm disappointed at the lack of Bergman on any of these lists.
>>67324684
32/100
But a lot of those films shouldn't be on the list.
>>67334136
Which and why. Its a poll, by the way, so should or shouldn't doesn't mean much.
>>67334085
The directors list above has 4 Bergman
>>67331618
I'm sorry but I literally don't have any favorite genres or idolized actors, and I don't really have enough information and experience in watching films to have a favorite director or any real clue of what I should look for.
As I said, film watching isn't my main interest like it is for many of you real /tv/ people.
But I'd be happy to hear any recs you've got for films that carry a heavy message that make you feel like you're not really dead inside.
Or maybe some that make you feel more dead inside, whatever floats your boat I'd be willing to try.
31/93
>>67332212
Birth of a Nation is responsible for no lynchings whatsoever, you utter moron.
