>"Darth Vader restored balance to the Force by eventually killing Emperor Palpatine, thereby fulfilling the Jedi prophecy that he would destroy the Sith forever."
What about this is so hard to understand?
>>67035208
a pophecy?
>>67035208
It's easy to understand. It's also fucking stupid.
How can you destroy an ideology forever?
SW is weeb shit, through and through
>>67035208
Nobody said about anything restoring balance to the Force permanently
>>67035287
retard alert
>>67035208
>and after vader threw that old man down an elevator shaft there were no more ambitious, angry people in the galaxy who used the force for evil ever again
Yeah but he never said anything about the mega sith who are even worse than the sith who control the new order who are even worse than the empire with their mega death star which is even more powerful than the previous death stars
>>67035343
Well when you put it like thatttt
>>67035208
Where did the pottery come from? Who made the pottery??? Answer me you fucking HACK?!!!>!
>balance to the force
>by killing the only true Sith lord
>now only Jedi are left
>also, there is some CGI Sith Lord noobe has heard about a couple of years later
Either the prophecy was shit or none of that makes any sense at all.
>>67035429
Snok is not a Sith Load
Daily reminder that the "destroy the sith" part of the prophecy was added in RotS.
I can't remember if it was RLM that said this, but why would you want the force to be "in balance"? The Light Side is winning. By any account, bringing the force into balance would mean strengthening the Dark Side.
>>67035479
They should have cut that kid into pieces the moment he entered the room
>>67035474
By Obi-Wan Kenobi, a known liar.
>>67035519
I can't even think of one scene where Obi-Wan Kenobi told the truth, except for when he tells Luke that Yoda is on Degobah and he's already dead at that point
>>67035479
The Dark Side is cancer.
>>67035519
To fucking Yoda no less, who should know better, but then again he acted like a retard the whole trilogy.
>uh... yeah what the prophecy says, that is
>>67035479
It's not your euphoric Gen Y gook concept of yin and yang, retard.
>>67035560
He was a good friend
>>67035589
Might want to try that again with about four or five less buzzwords matey
>>67035429
You're looking at it wrong. It isn't
Light side...balance...dark side
The light side is the force being balanced. The dark side unbalances the force, think of the dark side as corrupting the force.
Ignore TFA and the EU. The whole point is the Sith are meant to be gone after RotJbut I suppose the prophecy doesn't say the chosen one will bring permanent balance to the force
>>67035560
He only cared about around the survivors a perimeter create.
>>67035208
Funny how the "prophecy" and "balance of the force" is never mentioned in the originals and is obviously just something Lucas pulled out of his ass for the prequels.
>>67035249
I think there's meant to be something intrinsic to the Sith, rather than just being evil Jedi.
>>67035636
Yes, that's called expanding the lore.
You don't to understand how the creative process works.
>>67035636
That was before Vader became Jedi Jesus tempted by Space Satan.
>>67035650
"Expanding the lore" with shit that is clearly incompatible with the source material.
>>67035656
Anakin kneels before monster mash and pledges his allegiance to the graveyard smash
>>67035670
How so?
>>67035670
How so?
No one in the OT said "There's no prophecy at all! Only fat hacks believe in a balance of the force!".
>no sith
>one jedi still alive
how was the force in balance?
>>67035208
He brought balance even before that
>Jedi academy
>seemed like there was about 75 Jedi and just 2 sith in Vader and Sidious
>order 66
>just obi-wan and yoda left
>2 Jedi and 2 sith remain
Seems like Anakin brought balance to me. I don't know why Obi-Wan thought this was somehow gonna work out in a positive way for the Jedi.
>>67035704
There was no more evil.
>>67035727
Because they interpreted the prophecy as
balance = no dark side
Which in the end turned out to be the correct interpretation in the end of episode 6.
>>67035727
I think the balance is not about the number of active practioneers, it's about the overall "feeling" in the galaxy, for a lack of better word. Dark Satan and his minions fucking shit up is much worse than a group of secluded monks that is mostly neutral.
Killed the jedi
Killed the sith
balance
now the force has reawakenedDisney's bank account
>>67035727
>this shit again
The Dark Side is a corruption of The Force. The Force is not some yin yang bullshit with a Dark Side and a Light Side that complement each other and stay in balance. There's only "The Force" (which is naturally in balance) and "The Dark Side of the Force" (which is a warp in that balance). There's not even something like a "Light Side" (thoug JarJar Abrams seems to have forgotten about that), The Force is naturally a force of good.
>>67035800
It could also mean power.
Like if you had 4 Yodas and 4 Kylo Rens existing, that's not balanced at all.
>>67035343
Yeah, how the fuck is that suppossed to work. In a galaxy of trillions, nobody would be a raging asshole with a connection to the force after sheev is dead?
did we ever find out where this prophecy came from?
>>67035838
Do you have any source to back that up?
>>67035867
Yeah the movies retard.
The dark side of the force is conflict, unbalanced by nature
>>67035838
Then they should have explained it in any of the movies before making it sound like a maniquean philosohy, innit?
>>67035208
The prophecy was that balance would be brought to the force.
Lucas created the fucking prophecy, so if he says Luke brought balance to the Force by killing all the Sith, then that's what happened.
That being said, the new trilogy shouldn't even exist or at least should have been set way after the original trilogy so all this shit about people not knowing about Jedis or the Force makes sense.
>>67035886
I'm not sure how someone could understand it any other way.
I guess some people are just really stupid.
>>67035905
You seem to be confusing a lot of things.
Whyy would the Jedi care about a prophecy, when always in motion is the Future?
Why would Qui-Gon Jinn, whocare more about the Living Force and that you should be mindful of the future, but not at the expense of the present, would be the most willing to listen about a prophecy?
Why did no one even bothered to tell how the prophecy was written exactly, by whom and when, and at least try in the movie to explain what "balance" is supposed to mean?
>>67035922
Please post quotes from the movies that validate your "the dark side is a corruption of the force not another side of it" theory.
>>67035867
>>67035886
The supposed "Light Side" was never mentioned in any of the movies. And in the Prequel Trilogy (which is where all this "balance of the Force" was introduced) the Jedi constantly talk about The Force being "cloudy", "occluded", "darkened" et cetera, because of the corruption brought about by the Dark Side embodied by Sidious.
Nowhere in the movies there's any hint about The Force being a coin with two equally important sides.
Sith are Jedi, there is no difference only ideals. One does not have more connection with the force than the other, they just channel using different emotions. Bunch of religious zealots fighting while the rest of the galaxy crumbles.
>>67035984
That doesn't say that the force is inherently good or bad, so it is about how you use it, which leads to good or evil.
>>67035987
>I played le Kotor 2
Please kill yourself
>>67036029
Go back to mass effect 3 and fallout 4, I hear they are hella epic you biodrone/bethshit
>>67036218
Shh /v/tard.
We are talking about SW here, keep your epic insults to yourself.
>>67036218
>he is in a forum about movies
>he thinks he got himself into a /v/tard fight
Bravo
pfft the force is power plain and simple, that can be molded by certain numbnuts in the galaxy.
light and dark side is a moral choice thats all.
light side toss pots see the force and become an elites force of space moral police, useing the powers granted by politcal heads to get their way with no effort, send the noblebright younglings into the galaxy and out of the hair chief sitting pretties in the jedi councl, hopefully to get killed in the porcess so they can have a topic to talk about so it seems there doing something at there little round beanbag court. seem to deal more in the absolutes of black and white more then the sith, reactive, would rather drink space mocca bantha fresh squeezed jizz tea then worry about wars or out right corruption (unless its force flavored) right on there door step. send the stupid good paladin in to do all the work then berate him to the dark side for cleaning up their incompetence
sith get shit done. but have massive temper tantrums if accolades or payment is not there. proactive driven and motivated, if you want something done get these guys, give them expendable command and troops and leave em too it. problem is there likely to choke a bitch for shits and giggles and just to prove their edgy all the time. trial by fire upbringing, savage job promotion requirements means these space blackguards are usually cream of the crop materials and unless protected by plot armor they are unstoppable, the "light side" having to throw everything and the kitchen sink just to fuck up the plans of a master and apprentice pair while losing a fair few of there own pallies in the process. most of the time they are beaten by the jedi councils "undesirables".
sorry off track there.
prophesy is war propaganda. balance would either wipe out both sides or leave them at permanent stalemate.
USA has prophecy that the M16A4 will bring balance to the world against the evils of the Kalashnikov
>>67035343
>>67035851
Do you understand what restoring the balance mean?
>>67035838
I get what your saying but I disagree. If there is just "the force" how can the way people use it make it in unbalanced? The Jedi are a bunch of people who basically study the force and use it the way they see fit. The only people who say the force is naturally for good is the Jedi but how can they know that for sure? What you are saying is just an interpretation
>>67035208
That's why it bothers me that they're making more. The story is done. It began with Annie and Sheev, it ended with Annie and Sheev. Done.
>>67036736
>how can the way people use it make it in unbalanced
Being in position of power and doing evil shit, making it seem okay for others to do the same, increasing the level of suffering throughout the galaxy.
>>67035763
By Ep 6, the dark side was way overpowered. They ran practically everything. What was needed was no central power of Jedi OR Sith.
>>67035343
Not every dark sider user is a Sith.
>>67035429
Balance in this case means pure.
The Force is like a cup of water, and the Sith are like a piece of dog shit. The water will never be balanced as long as there's shit floating around at the bottom.
>>67035984
Well if they call what Sidious embodied the "dark side" what would you call what Yoda embodied? The normal side? Seems like just another way of saying the light side to me. The Jedi clearly represent good and the sith clearly represent evil. The Jedi weren't neutral. They kept peace and order. They used the force for good. The sith use it for evil. Light and Dark. It's seems obvious to me.
>>67035704
The Sith don't add to the balance of the Force, they are a cancer that dilutes it. That's why the Jedi senses were clouded in the prequels. The dark side is not a legitimate part of the Force.
>>67036862
Yoda embodies the Force. Sidious embodies the dark side, a corruption of that Force. Good and evil don't enter into it, those are subjective terms. The nature of the force is tangible. Objective.
>>67036865
>The dark side is not a legitimate part of the Force
>>67035939
Prophecies in literary texts are purposely ambiguous for irony purposes.
Although to say lucas intended his prophecy arc to be ironic is a long stretch. He probably just thought it was cool to have a prophecy somewhere
A story for another time
>>67035620
But wouldnt there be bits of dog shit too
Oh damn those must be the evil midichlorians brava jerge
>>67036935
It's not, Lucas described it as a cancer that corrupts the Force. If you don't like it, take it up with him.
In his mind, the Force has an actual conscious will, and dark side works against that.
>>67036736
Jedi = live in symbiosis with the force
Sith = abuse it
Think of it like a river. The Jedi just sits there and lets the flow pass through him. The Sith would build a dam and pervert the flow
>>67036586
>>67035208
If Anakin restored order to tye force then how do you explain Kylo and Smoke, George?
>>67035208
The fact that Luke makes more sense.
He's a Skywalker, just as strong or stronger than his father, and he was the hero of the movies we watched as a kid.
>>67037088
>Kylo and Smoke
Not canon
>>67035241
> awrye may', your An Solo of th' Milen Faw-kun
>>67037088
Not Sith.
>>67037088
See >>67037035
Even if you blew up the damn dam, that doesn't mean no one will try to build a new one.
>>67037105
>>67037131
So is ROTJ not cannon anymore.
>the story of the prequels were hard to understand
t. no one ever
It was hard to understand how they could be so bad, though.
>>67037166
So in other words Darth Vader should just be remembered for killing all the Jedi because killing that one Sith Lord didn't really change anything
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>>67037240
Don't tell me what to do
>>67037217
No, he rid the galaxy of the Sith forever. Which is why pretenders like Snoke and Kylo are all that is left of the dark side.
>>67035966
only if you post quotes supporting the "light side"
>>67036989
Sure thing, but it doesn't answer my question:
Why would the Jedi care about a prophecy, when they know the future is unpredictable since it changes all the time?
Prophecies doesn't make sense if the future is not written in stone.
>>67035966
The Mythology of Star Wars with George Lucas and Bill Moyers, George Lucas explicitedely states that the dark side is a cancer on the Force, not a natural part of it.
The movies don't say anything about it because they are lighthearted action movies, but SW is George's creation, and his word is law.
>>67037354
The Jedi care about philosophy, because they care about fulfilling the Will of the Force. The Jedi don't do things because they care about it or because they think it's right, they do it because it is what the Force demands of them. It's why the seek to rid themselves of emotion and embrace calm serenity, so that the Force might act through them.
A good Jedi is simply a conduit through with the Force acts, and the Force is the energy that connects all life, living and dead. Beautiful.
>>67037421
>The movies don't say anything about it
They don't say anything, but it's heavily implied.
>>67036897
Exactly. The force is objective. It can't be corrupted because it just exists. It's not there to be used in any specific way. It's just there to be used or not used. The prophecy said Anakin (or whoever) was supposed to bring balance to the force but that's vague and open to interpretation. Are the sith keeping the force from being in balance? Are the Jedi? What does it mean to have the force in or out of balance anyway? It was the Jedi who assumed it meant that the chosen one was going to destroy the sith but that doesn't mean that's what it meant. Who made this prophecy? Where did they get there information?
>>67037023
Well if that what he says then fine I'll agree because he made it. I still think it's stupid and his story contradicts that but whatever.
>the Sith will keep coming back until it's no longer profitable.
What about this is so hard to understand?
>>67037579
The Sith are dead, anon. Snoke and the Knights of Ren are not Sith.
>>67037280
Whitch is something that most likely would have happened without him and with a lot less Jedi casualties. Either way you slice it the Jedi would have been better off without Anakin becoming a Jedi.
Who the fuck c*res?
It's just a series of flicks.
Well it doesn't help that the prequels made the jedi look like iredeemable cultist fanatical power hungry assholes. They're the only ones who are always right about everything and the sith have to be slaughtered, doesn't sound too balanced
>>67035208
How to you restore "Balance" by destroying the polar opposite of said "Force"?
>>67035343
>every dark side user is a sith
wrong idiot, the sith had traditions and teachings dating back millennia and their line was finally snuffed out when palpatine and vader died
unless Snoke = Plagueis the only hope the First Order has to reboot the Sith is finding lost artifacts and books n shit
>>67037829
>the sith had traditions and teachings...
So what can a Sith do compared to just a regular evil force user?
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>>67037989
>>67037500
All of this is wrong, according to Lucas. Your head-canon for what the Force should be is not relevant to this thread, take it to the fanfiction.
Lucas literally says that the dark side of the Force is a corruption. He created he, he gets to decide what it is.
>>67037558
Sure, George Lucas isn't a great writer, no one is arguing that.
>>67037619
It doesn't really matter to the audience though. Snoke and Kylo are basically just the Emperor and Vader again, respectively. We might be introduced to some philosophical differences with the next two movies, but it probably won't be enough to leave an impact.
>>67037754
There are no polar opposites of the Force. There is only the Force, and the dark side, which is a corruption of it.
The term "light side" is never mentioned in any of the seven films. Not once. It is purely the invention of Star Wars RPG video games and /v/ needs to gtfo off my board.
>>67037989
They are the strongest dark side users who have ever existed. Other groups are smaller and have never accomplished as much, or threatened the Jedi as severely. One example are the Dathomir Witches in the 3D cartoon, who were dark side users, but basically still lived in huts and think the Force is magic. They will never threaten the Jedi, because they are backwoods savages.
>>67037989
thats like asking what a professional boxer can do compared to a school bully
it's called training asswipe
>>67035987
>no difference
>force lightning for sith
>nothing for jedi
>>67035208
The word balance.
For their to be balance there needs to be dark and light in equal amount
>>67038685
Darkness is simply the corruption of the force, not "another side".
FUCKING D*MMY
>>67038111
Both of your replies in this post is to the same person. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. I really don't care. I was only trying to make sense out of something that was very poorly written. If that's what Lucas intended it should have been explained in the movie by someone other than the Jedi. The movie proved that even they do "shady" things if they feel it's necessary. It's not a reach to think that they would say that only the way they use the force is the correct way just because it's the correct way to them.
>>67038685
Wrong.
Balance can also mean a state of equilibrium or stability. The dark side clouds the Force, it taints it and the person using it. It is an imbalance, a corruption.
>>67038925
The thing you need to remember is that Jedi and Sith are just two warring organizations. They don't represent every user of the Force or the dark side. Another thing you need to realize is that the Jedi don't exist to be very, very good and only do good because good is best. They exist to fulfill the will of the Force, and anything is permitted in accomplishing that goal.
>>67039052
Well it's just stupid because who determines what the will of the force is? The force? If so was it the will of the force that let Palpatine become so powerful in the ways of the force? Or any of the other sith? I'm not disagreeing with anything your saying. I just think it could have been written much better if that's the case. I'm pretty sure the French version says "bring harmony" to the force instead of "bring balance." That alone is a major improvement and what yoda said about how they may have misunderstood the prophecy was just stupid because it only made things more confusing.
>>67036713
Yeah, it means 2 JEDI, 2 SITH, ONE FOREST MOON!!
IT'S THE BATTLE OF ENDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!
And the crowd goes wild
>>67039052
Yeah, Even without the Jedi or the Sith, there's people who will born strong in the Force regardless. See, Rey for example.
As for the OT, yes we had 2 Sith and 2 Jedi, but we had also had Luke and Leia who didn't belong at the start of neither two factions. At the end, there was only 1 Jedi (Luke) and no Sith.
>>67039336
>I'm pretty sure the French version says "bring harmony" to the force instead of "bring balance."
Nah, the French version says "apporter l'équilibre dans la Force". Équilibre means balance or equilibrium.
But yeah, were the the prophecy means balance in the Force, it must mean harmony. Also the prophecy never said between the light and the dark, just the Force.
>>67039707
FORCEBOWL ON ENDOR 2018
>>67037621
Without anakin sheev would still be around and so would dooku. Those are two capable sith right there although they had political disagreements.
The jedi are irrelevant to the force. They simply live by it and learn it but they do not throw it off balance so it doesn't matter whether they exist or not because the force goes on with or without them there to observe it.
>>67035249
replace it with catholicism
>>67039857
Episode 7 shouldn't count. Abrams clearly doesn't understand star wars, he only understands nostalgia pandering and getting progressive brownie points.
