Is he right?
>>66780980
Yeah, but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
>>66780980
Nes
>a shill
No that is not what a shill is
The only people who get mad at Bay movies are those to hate success.
>>66780980
Its pretty easy to bash Michael Bay. Let me know when he starts on Star Wars and capeshit
Great kahntent
Yeah I'm sure kids everywhere care about the 'artistic medium'.
>>66780980
Most movies are made to make money.
Star Wars was made to make money.
directing a mindless action movie sounds really fun though
> Implying Transformers hasn't always been made solely to sell toys.
> Implying anyone gives a shit about Miller's TMNT (the only arm of TMNT with an ounce of artistic integrity).
The movies are shit but come the fuck on. Same with people bitching about "Ghostbusters Lore" or Cannon. It's fucking retarded. This shit was always made to make money, they're just getting better at it.
>>66780980
Yes, but there's nothing wrong with mindless entertainment. There's obviously a demand for it since Bay movies make profits. What does Phil do to add something, anything to the artistic medium?
I always thought this guy was like 15 from hearing his voice.
>>66781026
I hate those god dam burglars. "I'm so mad" that they successfully broke into my house and stole all my material belonging's
>>66781106
>What does Phil do to add something, anything to the artistic medium?
Not the move industry, but Phil does a lot for the video game industry.
>>66781074
Yeah that's the ultimate goal, but that doesn't mean that some try to be artistic or at least good movies, while others sacrifice everything to rake in the most sheckels
Bet this idiot loved the new Star Wars.
>>66781115
What game has he made?
>>66781114
Unless Michael Bay A)stole your movie idea or B) Forced you to watch one of his movies, this analogy makes no fucking sense.
While he is right, the artistic medium is a faggot.
>>66780980
He should learn what a shill is.
Another word that's lost all meaning. Like cuck and literally.
no, now fuck off back to /v/
>>66781131
he has made several thousand Let's Plays
I unironically liked Pain and Gain. It was a really fun, mean spirited action comedy.
>>66781093
/thread
>>66780980
>add nothing to the artistic medium
ayyy lmao
>>66781208
Making let's plays adds nothing artistic to any fucking medium
>>66781261
He misread it, let's plays add to the autistic medium.
>>66781124
No, most movies are primarily money-making ventures. Because people who make movies also have to eat.
>>66781280
That doesn't contradict anything I wrote?
>>66781114
that analogy makes absolutely 0 sense (unless Michael Bay robbed you to finance his movies)
>>66780980
>>66781093
>to make money
you make it sound like something evil. they make money by entertaining a lot of people.
my neighbour fucking loves transformers and that kind of shit. I think if he bothered to know the names of directors, Bay would be his favourite, followed by Adam Sandler.
while that is reason to hate him a little, he's an ok guy overall so I'm fine with letting him have his explosion and fart humor movies.
>>66780980
>implying they both werent originally created solely to sell toys
fucking faggot
>but muh childhood
fuck your shitty childhood you piece of shit
>>66781303
Most films were made to make money. That was the goal all along. Even "artistry" is a means of achieving the goal of making money.
>>66781388
Still doesn't contradict anything I wrote
>>66780980
Did it seriously take him this long to figure this out? Didn't we all agree and move on from this opinion 7+ years ago
>>66781411
I'm not contradicting you in any way.
I'm stating a fact: movies, for the most part, are made to make money. Period.
There's no point in saying "they just made Transformers to make money" when they just make every fucking movie ever to make money.
Again, most movies were made to make money.
Most movies were made to make money.
Most movies were made to make money.
There's no "but" or "however" or anything. Most movies were made to make money.
>>66781445
>I'm not contradicting you in any way.
>>66781411
>Still doesn't contradict anything I wrote
k
>>66781490
I think we should stop this autistic discussion (or lack thereof) now
>>66781514
Assuming you are the guy not being contradicted, I agree. If you're the other guy, suck a dick fago.
>>66781490
Not every reply is an attempt to contradict the other person, family.
>>66781520
>the guy not being contradicted
kek yeah
>>66780980
I hate normies who don't know what movies Michael Bay made pre-Transformers.
>>66781139
>>66781310
DEFINE SUCCESS PLEASE (YOU)
>>66780980
>3 retweets, 5 likes
obviously not
>>66780980
>Michael Bay just tried to make money
No, really? Whoa!
TMNT and Transformers were both cartoons that acted as thinly-veiled commercials to sell action figures to dumb little babies. Only idiots care about Michael Bay "ruining" them.
>>66781114
delete this, and that's not a meme post its serious. you are beyond retarded.
Most movies are made to make money. You think Disney spent 10 billions dollars to buy the Star Wars universe just to keep George Lucas from sticking his dick in it, do you?
Yes, he's right. Michael Bay make a disposable product to entertain an audience. I loved it the 80s/90s cartoon series but these movies don't have the balls to have an artsy aesthetic Every piece of it have been made to the audience to be liked. I think a piece of art (music, movies, paintings) is the expression of a group of people no matter if you like it or not. So... you can see the contradiction there.
>Guy wants to eat
>Guy gets job making movies
>Butthurt everywhere
>>66781630
No! Disney loves me! They make all their movies for me with love, not for the money!
>>66781635
>I loved it the 80s/90s cartoon series
You mean the cartoon series that were made solely to sell toys? The ones that were little more than long commercials?
Oh no, how dare they sell out!
>>66781640
>wants to eat
I'd say it's a bit past that point m8
Has DSP expanded into Kino?
>>66780980
Every movie in existence is made solely to make money.
>>66781810
Wrong
I can't believe two series with so much integrity as TMNT and Transformers would be sold out by Michael Bay.
Here were my favorite episodes in both series. Check out the exquisite artistry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaDp4kSeN4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcC7_bf6GmU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR06EqIbxY4
>>66781810
All the movies about banging your mom were made for private collections, nobody had the intent to make money.
Why do twitter screenshots always get so many replies? It doesn't even have to be someone relevant.
>>66781830
Pretty much every single one is made to either make money or get famous so they can make money.
Who cares? If you work, your primary motivation is "get paid." I love my career, but I don't do it for free. A few rare people work for free, but that's usually because they can afford to work for free or because they're a literal slave.
>>66781878
Not all threads can be "SJWS ARE RUINING GHOSTBUSTERS."
>>66780980
of course, but mike is worth hundreds of millions and known all over the world. this guy is worth nothing and i've never heard of him before.
>>66780980
TMNT sold out ages ago when they agreed to the cartoon and toys.
Transformers was literally made to just make money. Like, someone said "hey we could sell these toys to kids if we make a cartoon about the toys" and so they did.
>>66781892
>A few rare people work for free
>>66781689
I must forgot that everything on tv it's trying to sell something. Sorry, minor detail. (I said that because I'm not a film purist geek) Do you remember the soundtrack of those series? There was many show styles because they have more freedom to do anything with their product. Now the marketings guys tell you what to do.
lots of good points in this thread.
Movies can be made for story-telling
movies are like drugs.
movies are propaganda
movies are entertaining.
but can someone please define a "success" please.
>>66782145
It's the connotation of what "success" means for a film, or franchise. If it's something dependent on making enough revenue to continue the story through sequels, it gives those who stand to profit from it a greater incentive to continue making related films.
A successful movie means it made enough money to offset its budget and return a profit.
>>66780980
no. bay makes his brand of movies and there is nothing wrong with that even if they are not good. artistic medium and what does or does not add to it seems like an abstract thing that pretentious fags claim to know a lot about. second TMNT will have krang and the technodrome so it will at least be a fun destruction movie
This applies to any capeshit too (especially deadpool)
>>66780980
>shill
Anyway, he's still a better filmmaker than JJ Abrams.
>>66782027
>everything on tv
No, just shit like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Transformers.
>soundtrack
Oh, yeah, they had a good jingle to them. All the better to sell their product.
TMNT was pinnacle sell-out mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-qEb7178Aw
Who gives a fuck that Michael Bay whored out these franchises when these franchises were whoring themselves out?
>>66780980
No, and he didn't even mention TMNT's director.
>>66782027
Kid's shows back then were little more than a commercial for toys and other branded products. Most of them are entirely unwatchable now (and were unwatchable then unless you were a little kid).
It takes a good director to make a movie that simultaneously appeals to the audiences on a superficial level but is at the same time critical of what it's depicting.
It takes a lazy viewer to not notice these things.
>Artistic medium
They're ALL made to generate shekels
>>66780980
He's wrong because a shill is selling a product made by someone else. They are a third party.
Bay is selling his own product. Get an education you twitter reading, retard cunts.
Jim took part in a stream talking about Phil the other day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcnaTq-E55g
>>66781115
>but Phil does a lot for the video game industry
HAHAHAHAHA. I don't think getting shit on in Mortal Kombat and Star Wars Battlefront and blaming it all on lag constitutes doing "a lot" for the industry.
>>66780980
>Ignores Pain and Gain
>>66782437
>No, just shit like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Transformers.
No, everything on TV. I always appreciate a commercial with a nice chiaroscuro
>Oh, yeah, they had a good jingle to them
Theme song it's not all the soundtrack. They have some good metal songs in it.
>Who gives a fuck that Michael Bay whored out these franchises when these franchises were whoring themselves out?
Did you bought everything that shows sell? I know, it's hard for an american to resist the tradition. I didn't. I give a fuck because you have to pay a ticket now to have a mediocre product every year until you die just because everyone does and you can explore real cinema and connect with another people in time through art
>>66780980
No. Action is hard to direct, and Michael Bay is a good action director. Pain and gain is one of his good movies.
>>66780980
Replace that with JJ movies and JJ and he is right
>>66782477
But they were fun. Parents can leave their children watching the show then and not necesarly buy them all the things they sell. I'm aware that the american culture it's different than mine. I didn't have to buy all of the products they made to be... Ehr... I don't know why you do that.
>Most of them are entirely unwatchable now
Speak for yourself. I still watch them while do some cleaning or cooking.
> (and were unwatchable then unless you were a little kid)
If that were true they wouldn't be a success back then
>>66783175
>you have to pay a ticket now
Except you don't.
You can just not watch films. Or torrent. Or catch them on TV.
Sorry, I can't care that a child's toy commercial "got ruined."
>>66783491
>But they were fun.
The Transformers and TMNT movies are still fun for little kids. TMNT and Transformers didn't get worse. You just grew up.
>I still watch them while do some cleaning and cooking
So you put them on background and don't actually watch them? Wow. Try actually sitting through an episode of TMNT or Transformers. Shit is unwatchable.
>If that were true they wouldn't be a success back then
They were a success with little kids. Adults weren't watching Transformers and TMNT. Just little toy-playing kids enjoyed those toy commercials.
>>66780980
No. As usual, Phil is wrong.
>[on shooting in 3-D]: Digital, no matter what people tell you, it's bullshit. They say, "Oh, it looks just like film." It doesn't look like film and never will. And it's like those people that are telling you are technicians. But I will be able to tweak film better than you tweak a digital image, because it just can't hold really bright skies to this black thing. You have to favor one thing. If I favored her, that would go much wider.
>I'm one of the few directors - it seems like a dying art - that actually shoot a lot in the camera.
>His most offensive criticism: Roger Ebert on Pearl Harbor (2001). He commented on TV that bombs don't fall like that. Does he actually think we didn't research every nook and cranny of how armor-piercing bombs fell? He's watched too many movies. He thinks they all fall flat - armor-piercing bombs fall straight down, that's the way it was designed! But HE's on the air pontificating and giving the wrong information. That's insulting!
I respect film makers who are willing to do projects purely for the love and expansion of the art. That shit is awesome and I appreciate all the work they do.
But I can't knock somebody for making films for money. They work really hard too. They still have families, they still deserve to get paid. ANY movie requires a TON of effort from a TON of people. Joe Blow set designer still worked his dick off.
I hated anything Michael Bay for a long time I don't any more. His movies are often cheap but mostly fun now that im past my pretentious years. Pain and Gain was really good and I can appreciate the effort he puts into some (but not all) of his films. He usually has a real dedication to his vision (he's phoned it in with some of the transformers - but hey, get paid and provide for your family) that I can admire.
People that hate success because its not "true to art" are usually college aged idealists who haven't fully shouldered being an adult.
I don't like his Transformers films, but I didn't like Transformers when I was a kid.
His TMNT was really great. Megan Fox was really only the bad part in it, but she wasn't so bad she ruined it or anything. The turtles were really great. That scene where they slide down the hill was fantastic and a lot of fun.
>>66784308
Everything about that photo is great.
>>66784313
>People that hate success because its not "true to art"
Success and artistic integrity are not mutually exclusive and never have been. Believing they are is unfounded cynicism.
>>66784406
Guys pls TMNT was directed by Jonathan Liebesman. Bay did not make the movie for him.
>>66784447
Never said he directed it. He did produce it and it is commonly known as his film.
Does Michael Bay love and care about what he does? Definitely.
Is Michael Bay trying to make money? Of course.
These things are hardly mutually exclusive, especially when what you love to make is loud explosion-porn. Bay is the master of explosion-porn, and even if it isn't what I'm into I can still respect his skill.
>>66781093
Ghostbusters actually seems like it was made to push an agenda first and make money second. Maybe that's why it actually looks worse than than your standard cheap cash grab movie
i really wish people who dont know what shill means would stop using the word
in fact i wish people just stopped using words they dont know the meaning of
its embarrassing for everyone involved
>>66784516
No, it's made to grab cash on a beloved franchise first and grab cash on an agenda second.
This is why it's worse: they're double grabbing.
>>66784482
You have to admit that it makes no sense.
>>66784431
>Success and artistic integrity are not mutually exclusive and never have been. Believing they are is unfounded cynicism.
I'm not saying they aren't but not everyone is Leonardo and perfect.
>>66784614
But it does: Michael Bay is a bigger, better known name than Jonathan Liebesman.
>>66780980
What is every hollywood blockbuster movie?
this guy is just retard
>>66784639
All that tells me is that people are ignorant which I freely admit, but since you know Bay didn't direct the film it makes no sense for you to perpetuate the ignorance.
>>66784682
But, again, I never said that he directed the film. I just used the phrase "Michael Bay's TMNT" as in "the one he's attached to." I could have just as easily called it "Megan Fox's TMNT."
You're being overly sensitive over nothing.
>>66780980
lol at some simpleton talking about artistry.
Bay has been one of the most technically consistent movie makers. His use of movement and camera flow is the only director that reminds me of anime translated to film.
99% of these flunkies talking shit about bay wouldn't know the first thing about technical movie making.
> Dur hur, bay makes money, so I wanna sound SMRT by talking shit bout bay.
>>66784725
It's because I like Liebesman's directing.
>>66784767
Well who wouldn't.
>>66784762
>> Dur hur, bay makes money, so I wanna sound SMRT by talking shit bout bay.
Its like people who pretend to hate led zeppelin cause they're popular.
ok... let me back up
Bay is more ACDC than zeppelin. Bay is about as big of a moneygrubber as Gene Simmons.
Doesn't mean they're not talented.
>>66781026
this is correct
they usually vote for bernie sanders too
Bay is the greatest living auteur right now
>>66780980
>film
>artistic medium
>>66780980
honestly i think michael bay probably cares a lot about his work and the craft of motion picture making
>>66781130
nothing wrong with liking a good movie.
Why are adults complaining about movies for fucking children?
