No that's retarded.
>>64904684
No of course not. This guy was an idiot. Why would you agree with anything he said?
"Food only real when eaten." do you agree?
That's something only a woman would think.
What about Schadenfreude?
No, I feel happiest when I'm doing something alone. Having other people around only decreases loneliness.
>rich mom and dad always argue
>my life is so hard, time to throw away the rest of my college fund and commit suicide with nature
lmao
>>64904684
happiness is nibanna
how to reach nibanna ? in meditating to calm the mind, THEN ENQUIRY and observe the impersonality, the impermanence and therefore the impertinence of what you sensate. This destroys cravings and your deluded visions of self and permanence.
>>64904877
This.
But mahayana would disagree.
>>64904877
Shut the fuck up, you non contributing cunt.
the moment seizes YOU
>>64904684
oh look! The solitary guy that died because he didn't eat!
>>64905019
>didn't eat
he was an american hero
As Scipio African us said:
>I'm never less alone than when alone
>>64905041
>>64905019
>>64904868
>>64904684
Was he autistic?
>>64904977
jesus fucking christ
>>64904877
>happiness is nibanna
Confirmed for not knowing that nibanna is extinguishing of all phenomenon including happiness.
>>64904877
>>64905743
Isn't there a street you should be shitting in
>>64904864
You mean increases loneliness.
>Asking anyone on 4chan about sharing anything with anyone
>Asking anyone on 4chan about being with other people
>>64904684
He probably regrets not staying with this qt
>>64905019
I thought he died because he ate poisonous berries
>>64905760
No, I don't live in Florida.
>>64905795
He ate poisonous wild potato (or something) that made his body unable to process other foods.
>>64904684
>They made a movie about it so we should discuss the subject instead
how about you go to /lit/ and stay there
>>64905819
top kek
>>64905780
thank mr skeltal
>>64905881
Lol starvation is funny.
>>64905906
It is if it's out of some edgy attempt to disregard society
>>64905881
It made me laugh, considering the irony that he died eating food but getting no nourishment, in the same way he lived experiencing life but not getting anything out of it.
I love, love, love it when pampered silver spoons meet the real world.
>>64905906
It's absolutely hilarious when it happens to cunts like McCandless.
>>64904684
Depends on the kind of happiness
The real question is why this film, and particularly the guy himself trigger you people so much.
Why is it so bad if someone even tries to live differently? Why all the scorn, the hate and the lels?
>>64904684
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
>>64905991
It isn't that he tried to live differently.
It's that he burned a pile of cash instead of giving it away.
>>64905991
Because he had a family you dipshit.
How hard is it to leave a note?
There are millions of people who go camping. You don't let your family think you're dead.
The only reason he didn't tell his family was because his mother would bitch at him for like five minutes before be left or he might have to endure a two minute phone call. He put ridiculous amounts of grief on his family to avoid minor responsibilities. Also if he'd have let authorities know where he was and regularly kept contact he wouldn't have died, but he autistically searched for muh perfect isolation no contact at all ever I can do this even though I have literally no experience.
I like the film and I don't think it was condoning him, but he's not just living his life different, he's a cunt.
>>64905991
you're confused as to why people dislike privileged cunts who know nothing about nature going out and dying only to inspire other retards to do the same?
>>64906045
>>64906070
>>64906071
wew lads
Try >>>Tumblr
>>64906322
good one.
>>64904684
I dug the film in an on the road kind of way. Whether the main message was to explore out of your depth or not, i enjoyed the ride. A sort of detrimental adventure
>>64904684
Yes but it suck that nobody wants to share it with you.
>>64906045
I haven't seen this movie since 2007 and I'd completely forgotten.
Fuck.
Fuck that scene.
I was so fucking mad.
>>64906759
like he'd give it to you you fucking tripfag
>>64906825
He could have given to the guy who drove him the fuck out there.
Or anyone. A random mailbox on the way in.
This act is symbolic of everything this little mewling afterbirth was about.
>>64906638
>on the road
Exactly the kind of shit I despise.
>>64905991
Suicide is not "living differently", and what he did was absolutely committing suicide. People hate him as a reaction to other lionizing him
>>64906981
What he did wasn't committing suicide. Suicide is intentionally taking one's own life. He didn't want to die, he wanted to live in nature, how misguided it may have been.
>>64907052
>putting yourself in a situation where you have a literal 0% change of survival
>not suicide
>>64907084
Suicide is still intentionally taking one's life. It's not suicide as long as it isn't intentional. This is an accidental death or Darwin award if you will.
>>64906951
what a fucking pleb
>>64907162
Have you read it since high school?
>>64905991
Because people are crabs and Chris tried to crawl out of the pot
>>64907158
how was what he did not intentional?
>>64907261
He didn't intend to die. He accidentally ate poisonous plants.
>>64907084
He could've easily survived if he informed himself about basic botany and wildlife and survival tactics.
I'm 23 and have literally never dated another person. No idea
>>64907305
Exactly. This is what was so infuriating. Many people enjoy nature much as he intended. He was just more concerned with being a troll.
>>64907305
Not for any significant length of time
>>64907162
It's shit m9. Absolute hippy-dippy special snowflake we're so artistic and shit luvy-dovy fucking 16-yeard old edgefest faggotry.
>>64907261
What this dude said >>64907288
>>64907358
For any length of time. Alaska has one of the largest homeless populations in the country.
>>64907288
If he didn't intend to die, why did he put himself in a situation where he was all but guaranteed to die?
>>64907358
The human body evolved in an environment of scarcity. You'd be surprised. He wouldn't get very old probably.
>>64907207
No one post 1970s has read Kerouac in highschool
>>64907423
I don't understand what you mean. People live in the area. He had shelter. He could have survived had he not eaten poison.
>>64907423
Because he's a dumbass? Do you think people go rockclimbing and bullfighting with the intention to die as well?
>>64907422
They don't live in the wilderness you fucking idiot
>>64907423
Because he was sick and tired of 'normal' life. He wanted to live in the wild. He was too stupid to actually figure out how to do it, though. Doesnt make it a suicide.
You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. It isn't a suicide, it's that simple, you're retarded.
>>64907443
It was required reading at my high school. I liked it then. Then I read it again in my 20's. It's laughable.
That's the case with most people who like On The Road. It's like the only book they've ever read.
>>64907459
Yes they do. There are homeless drunk Indians everywhere. All you need is a structure and fire, and food and water. He had all of those things.
>yfw you realise Sean Penn made this movie as a metaphor for his self-imposed suicide by nature when he took on the most powerful man in South America
He was just saying goodbye to us in metaphor.
>>64907489
So he intentionally put himself in a situation where he could not survive, but didn't want to die?
>>64907541
What precisely makes you think he was in a situation where he could not survive, intentionally?
>>64907514
Except the food part
>>64904684
No, not at all. There's different kinds of happiness. What a retardedly hippy thing to say. Sounds nice to say, but ultimately doesn't mean anything.
>>64907583
He had plenty of food. He just ate poison that made his body unable to process nutrients effectively.
>>64907581
he was there in spring/summer, and almost certainly would have starved/froze to death in winter
>>64907682
>almost certainly
That's not what you just said though. Also, how do you know he intended to stay the winter?
>>64907679
>it is hypothesized that he just ate poison that made his body unable to process nutrients effectively
>>64905947
>in the same way he lived experiencing life but not getting anything out of it.
he got more out of his short life than you will you miserable bastard
>>64907255
Bunch of muppets in this thread who have no idea what Chris did or intended on doing.
A 20 year old kid setting off to find himself, donated more to charity than anyone in this thread, fucked up but lead a tremendous adventure until the very end... somehow he's a cunt?
Jesus christ the neckbeards are annoying.
>>64907679
>>64907453
The fact that he ate poison has never been proven. He could have simply starved to death
>>64906951
>>64907404
cowardice is an early death
>>64905105
Wasn't that Cicero about Scipio Africanus?
>>64907896
>who have no idea what Chris did
He did literally nothing other than die. I don't particularly care if some random dude wants to run out into the wilderness, but to act as if he accomplished anything is foolish.
>donated more to charity than anyone in this thread
Who cares? Donating to charity does not make you a good person - the money was worthless to him anyways.
>lead a tremendous adventure
Sitting in a bus and gathering berries is a "tremendous adventure"?
Anyways, stop acting as if you knew him personally you faggot.
>>64907896
>donated more to charity than anyone in this thread
good goy, donate your money to 'administrative fees' that go to my bank account
>>64905819
>wild potato
>>64907972
total digression. We're discussing his intentions and character, not the nature of corruption in charities. Oxfam is one of the better ones anyway.
>>64907969
>He did literally nothing other than die. I don't particularly care if some random dude wants to run out into the wilderness, but to act as if he accomplished anything is foolish.
He adventured. You do realize that, right? Hiking, kayaking, scrambling, camping, touching lives, hitching, etc. That's an adventure. That's something in and of itself.
>Who cares? Donating to charity does not make you a good person - the money was worthless to him anyways.
It makes his intentions more pure than those out-of-shape virgins sniping at him 20+ years after his death, faggot.
>Sitting in a bus and gathering berries is a "tremendous adventure"?
Way to ignore every other thing about his path to that point, and even what he did in Alaska. Hunting, gathering, starting fires, fishing, etc. That's a fucking adventure.
I like what the guy did because I'm too much of a pussy to do it. I respect how simply and easily he gave up worldly possessions.
>>64904684
How can happiness be real if your friends aren't real?
>>64907896
put yourself in his place during his last hours, would you think about tremendous adventures?
that point of view override any possible romanticism like your's
>>64908063
>touching lives
>>64907900
The only theories to his death are that he ate one of several types of poison that all had essentially the same effect. He was poisoned. The only debatable thing is which plant in particular he gorged on.
>>64907988
Hedysarum alpinum
>>64908063
>That's a fucking adventure
Uh, no, it's camping - something you can do safely and responsibly without the risk of death. The fact that he died does not automatically make what he did adventurous.
Anyways, your whole post reeks of projection. I'm sorry your life is so banal that you think going on a hike is a grand expedition.
>>64907988
>>64908186
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedysarum_alpinum
>He adventured
Plenty of people do this. There is nothing special about camping.
>touching lives
Everyone does this daily.
>pure intentions
What does this even mean?
>>64908195
I'm sure your life are very exciting and fulfilling
>>64907896
Dude you're such an idiot it's crazy.
>>64908100
You can't take a multidimensional experience and only consider its final portion.
The journey, not the destination - and all that.
I don't think anyone disagrees that he died in a shitty way, in a foreseeable way, in a regrettable way. That doesn't make him a bad person, it makes him a kid. I was a shit-head when I was 22, I probably couldn't live on my own for 1 month, much less over a year.
>>64908195
>>64908231
Survivalism is more than camping. If you've done it you'd understand. It's a personal journey when you're by yourself, it's a form of meditation.
It's the antithesis of what most of us do: watching events with detached bemusement.
>>64908145
>In the book Into the Wild, Jon Krakauer suggested two factors may have contributed to McCandless's death. First, he offered that McCandless was running the risk of a phenomenon known as "rabbit starvation" due to increased activity, compared with the leanness of the game he was hunting.
>an article in the September 2007 issue of Men's Journal by Matthew Powers states that extensive laboratory testing showed there were no toxins or alkaloids present in the H. alpinum seeds McCandless had been eating. Dr. Thomas Clausen, the chair of the chemistry and biochemistry department at UAF said "I tore that plant apart. There were no toxins. No alkaloids. I'd eat it myself". Analysis of the wild sweet peas, given as the cause of McCandless' death in Into the Wild, found no toxic compounds and there is not a single account in modern medical literature of anyone being poisoned by this species of plant. As Powers put it: "He didn't find a way out of the bush, couldn't catch enough food to survive, and simply starved to death".
He could have been poisoned, or he could have starved or died of malnutrition.
>>64908269
>survivalism
He never did that. You're inflating his less-than-season camping trips into something they never were.
>>64908268
>Dude you're such an idiot it's crazy.
I love it when neckbeard memesters get triggered by any talk of the outdoors.
>>64908285
Why don't you post the rest of the section, anon?
>>64908299
He was on the road for some time, and whatever he did (I read the book a long time ago), was more than any of us could've managed at his age and experience.
>>64908269
>dying for no reason when you have friends/family who care about you doesn't make you a bad person
>>64908269
lol go to /x for roleplay and multiverses
>>64908333
On the road isn't survivalism, dumb dumb.
>at his age
He was in his mid-20's.
>>64908325
Because the post I responded to said that the "only" theories about his death were related to poison, and those are two theories that aren't related to poison. Maybe you should learn how to read
>>64908342
>dying accidentally while doing something you love makes you a bad person
>>64908377
But why don't you post the rest of the section which is a rebuttal to the last part you posted?
>>64908393
Burning a pile of money makes you a bad person.
Thinking you can run away from your problems makes you a bad person.
>>64908342
He was young and angsty, he never intended on dying - dying accidentally doesn't make anyone a bad person.
>>64908368
He had just graduated college, he was in his very early 20s with you muppet. And survived with barely any money to his name for over a year and in the wild.
>>64908352
I play some videogames, live very comfortably and watch too much shit. Going into the wild alone is terrifying, takes real character to do it.
>>64908425
He burned like a few hundred bucks, he gave 20,000 to charity. He had no problems to run away from, he was running to 'find himself'. However misguided that is. Still doesn't make him a bad person.
>>64908063
>I respect how simply and easily he gave up worldly possessions
Your worldview is hideously skewed. Some kid who went out without any experience, poisoned himself, and starved to death. That kind of insane wonton irresponsibility while shitting all over the other human beings in his family does not warrant any kind of "respect".
You need to get your head out of the fucking clouds already.
No one can properly criticize the kid's character - they just end up projecting their own insecurities and flaws up onto him.
>>64908463
Again: He did MORE than (mistakenly) poisoning himself. He did a lot more. In that one or so year he was away he saw things, did activities, made decisions that required more from him than nearly any of us have given in all our lives.
You're the one who is skewed here - refusing to acknowledge 4/5ths of his adventure, the nature and aspects of it, the sheer impressiveness of it all in a pre-electronic, pre-gps, pre-cell phone age. With no credit card and no car even.
>>64904684
No, happiness doesn't exist.
It's a human coping mechanism to avoid the awkwardness of experiencing life with no higher purpose than to reproduce and eventually die.
>>64908453
>just graduated college
So then he was an adult man, wasn't he? It's not like he was a kid in the wild.
He went to Alaska when he was 24. Mid 20's.
>And survived with barely any money to his name for over a year and in the wild.
No he didn't. He was never in the wild for longer than a season.
>>64908453
>he gave 20,000 to charity
No.
> He had no problems to run away from
Of course he did. He was homosexual and his family wanted nothing to do with it.
>>64908453
>dying accidentally doesn't make anyone a bad person
>father of two, expecting another child
>recklessly climb a rockface without any restraints and fall to my death
>my children are left to grow up without a father, and my wife is widowed
>DOESN'T MEAN I'M A BAD PERSON
>>64908529
He wasn't away for a year. He lasted from April to August of 1992.
>>64908529
>he saw things
snow? trees? rocks?
>did activities
huddling in a bus? picking poisonous potatoes?
>made decisions
decisions that killed him
>required more from him than nearly any of us have given in all our lives
>implying we are all sad pathetic losers like you
>>64908425
>donating money to charity makes you a bad person
>doing something you love makes you a bad person
stop trying so hard
>>64908530
I mean, I'm pretty much never happy, but I still had a good kek at the extreme edge of this post.
Pic related you probably look like him.
>>64908598
He didn't donate any money to charity.
>>64908594
>we
Spotted the Redditor
>>64908453
>dying accidentally doesn't make anyone a bad person
when you cause the "accident" with your own recklessness and stupidity, and you have a family, then yea, it does make you a bad person
>>64908554
He wasn't a father and had no dependents. False equivalence - you're done here.
>>64908542
>>64908579
He left when he was a kid and was away from home for ~2 years.
>>64908594
>snow? trees? rocks?
>huddling in a bus? picking poisonous potatoes?
Implying he didn't do more than that, in other places, for months before going to Alaska.
Implying every person who met him didn't like him and respect him.
Implying implications
God you're lame.
>>64908663
>He left when he was a kid
No he didn't. He drove his car around the southwest in his early 20's. 22-24. 1990.
>>64908640
>muh family
Everybody, even he, acknowledges that he was reckless in leaving. Maybe that's because he was young and immature. Maybe that's not because he's a bad person according to the weeaboo on a malaysian incest cartoon board.
>>64908701
>No he didn't. He drove his car around the southwest in his early 20's. 22-24. 1990.
How is that any less impressive? With minimal money, no luxuries and completely alone it's a great adventure, which is what I'm arguing here.
>>64908617
Oh right, stacked it on the ground and literally set it on fire
>>64908663
he had a family you edgelord retard. i know you're probably still around the age where you hate your mom and dad but parents tend not to like it when their kids run off and kill themselves (after maliciously abandoning all contact with them for months)
>>64908704
>he was just a boy! he dindu nuffin!
guess that explains why all kids run into the wilderness to die. oh wait
Yeah, he's not a bad person.
He's retarded.
>>64908729
>How is that any less impressive?
There is nothing impressive about taking a road trip. At any age.
>>64908663
>False equivalence
Not really. He had people who loved and cared about him and he spat in their face. He's a piece of shit and so are you for defending him
>>64908730
it was a few hundred bucks, he gave away his massive trust fund
>>64908745
I'm in my late 20s, moron. I have a family who love me. I also have the capability to empathise with his motivations and not conflate his mistakes with his character - which everybody who ACTUALLY KNEW HIM said was great and respectable. Even his parents and sister.
He didn't intend on dying, he just wanted to get away. That's the point. If you can't, or refuse, to understand that - well you're a fucking muppet, probably insecure and inexperienced.
>>64908763
More impressive than jerking off to jessica chastain's feet twice a night
>>64908769
You're wrong. Try it: kill yourself and no one will find out for weeks.
>>64904877
>>64905743
>nibanna
Is this poo in loo weebism? It's nirvana you fuck
>>64908825
>he gave away his massive trust fund
No he didn't.
>I'm in my late 20s
This explains it.
>>64908825
>You're wrong. Try it: kill yourself and no one will find out for weeks.
>literally typing utter nonsense to try and be edgy
wew lad, how long were you saving that kill yourself "joke"? get over yourself
>>64908844
There is no standard romanization.
Nirvana (Sanskrit, also nirvāṇa; Pali: nibbana, nibbāna
>>64908769
>BUT THE FEELINGS OF MUH FAMILY
Kill yourself, tumblrina
>>64908855
>This explains it.
Yeah, sure it does.
Look - I've backpacked, couchsurfed, hiked and stuff. I understand the draw. He did more than I ever did, and in a much less safe way (no gps, phone, internet, etc.) and I'm personally impressed by that aspect.
I couldn't care less that he didn't call home, he was angsty and passionate and it manifested itself in whatever ways it did. Everyone who knew him give him all the credit in the world for his heart and character. I'll take their word for it over you basement dwellers.
>>64908874
Just came naturally, friendo.
>>64908923
>impressed by doing a fairly mundane thing in a reckless manner
Jesus Christ /tv/ truly is the most retarded place on the internet. At least /b/ acknowledges it.
>>64908977
try hard
So many sheltered first world babies in this thread that couldn't bear to live without out their 9-5 or their university or their vidya or their hentai.
>>64908923
You're in your late 20's, and this is all you've done?
No wonder you're impressed.
I grew up doing the kind of shit McCandless did. A lot of people did.
>>64909258
Most third worlds can't live without modern amenities either. Stop trying so hard senpai
>>64904977
They are so cute
>>64909322
>I grew up doing what McCandless did
Running around in the woods behind your house and getting lost for an hour and a half does not count as "doing the kind of shit McCandless did"
>>64909377
Your life is shallow and meaningless, senpai.
But he's right though. Enjoy being a lonely 40 year old.
>>64909451
My dad was a wilderness EMT in Nome. We went out for months at a time since I was 10, all over the bush.
>>64909576
heh
>>64909576
Sure buddy
>>64909610
Then when he died I moved to Phoenix. When I was 16 I dropped out of high school and squatted by the Salton Sea.
>>64909635
Oh yeah sure you did bud
>>64909679
I did that for three years, wintering by the Salton Sea, and spending the spring, summer, and fall months hiking up and down the PCT.
>>64909710
Bet your a virgin too
>>64909752
I was a virgin until I was 19, when I started going to film school at SCC (Scottsdale). I won a Student Academy Award for my work there; lost my virginity to a really fat 40 -year old woman I met on a phone chat line called LiveLinks.
He tried to find himself, and unfortunately died doing so. Whether he died alone in nature or driving down a busy highway, it doesn't fucking matter. All you tards arguing about how he committed suicide or how he wasnt prepared in nature didn't understand the movie. It was a journey to find himself, his journey took him to Alaska. Other peoples journeys maybe involve a vacation or something else. People are different. And in the end he finally found himself, and what his OWN happiness was, and that was around others and sharing that happiness together.
>>64909838
>And in the end he finally found himself
How do you know this?
>>64909875
I watched the movie and read the book.
>>64909788
sure buddy
>>64909921
So did I, and in neither of those is that conclusion even suggested.
>>64909924
After that I went to ASU and got a degree in linguistics and moved to the Tetons.
>>64909838
Thats literally the plot you dumbo
>>64909838
>le find myself meme
get fucked, nigger.
>>64910000
>>64908594
>how to spot a person who has never had a modicum of excitement or realness to his entire pathetic sheltered life
>>64906951
This. I prefer the in-my-room kind of adventure.
>>64910113
how many times are you going to samefag? you've typed the exact same thing like ten times now
>>64910000
>>64910000
Checked
>>64904684
And that's why he's fucking dead, fuck this faggot
Someone actually told me this movie would be life changing. The whole "Money doesn't buy happiness" or something. Bullshit, it's pointless materialism that doesn't get you happiness. Money gets you to places.
The guy was some kind of proto-neet. He was a Reagan supporter, claimed to hate everyone except the people he actually took the chance to know. No way his parents would of let him waste away in their basement so he traveled the world in search of another kind of den. He might have thought nature and survival would be his entertainment.
Despite all that I still respect him in some ways.
>>64905947
>It made me laugh, considering the irony that he died eating food but getting no nourishment, in the same way he lived experiencing life but not getting anything out of it.
They don't know for sure what killed him. The current leading theory is that he ate a plant known as grasspea that rapidly causes leg paralysis in young men without much fat.
His diary entry says that after eating wild potato seeds he was unable to walk
kek
Looks like even cuck-posting is less triggering than a Into the Wild thread for /tv/.
Never change, autists.
>>64912405
You are right. This is a good and accurate post.
Nope, you gotta experience solitary happiness and happiness with people in a balance. Which way that balance swings depends on your personality
>>64904684
The autist introverted retard who died because he couldntt read well.
Nice movie.
>>64911090
That's what I said you fucking idiot.
