>Three guys we don't care about are fighting each other over… something
So, using Plinkett's logic about lightsaber fights, what was this one about? Whats the 'internalisation' of their actions? What are the stakes? Why is that even happening? How did Rey recome a master jedi instantly, did she read the script?
RLM hypocrisy general
>>64726464
Go outside.
Sage.
>>64726464
>Kylo says "TRAITOR"
>Finn is the reason the entire movie happened
>>64726464
Klyo Ren wants to kill Rey and Finn for being in the forest.
Finn wants to avenge Han's death and impress his qt
Rey wants to not die in the forest and ends up winning for no reason.
The ground opens up in an unrealistic way to separate the two combatants because the writers were too fucking high to write a better conclusion.
>>64726464
Ren was chasing them because he was the bad guy and the other two were running because they were the good guys I suppose? There's that thing with the map to Luke (fucking retarded by itself) but at that point it was pretty much forgotten by everyone.
Even the fight between Finn and the tonfa guy felt more emotional.
The movie doesn't explicitly state a LOT. You have to read between the lines, and that's hard for /tv/ to do. Rey and Kylo obviously have some kind of relationship. And Kylo just killed her father-figure. There, OP. Are you happy?
>>64726919
>her father-figure
How long did they know eachother again?
>>64726464
Finn Betrayed The Order
Rey is force sensitive
Kylo wants the traiter dead and a sith waifu
In this fight we as an audience learn that:
1) Finn is not force sensitive and is not going to be a Jedi, so it basically designates him to a non Jedi role, which confirms what the audience was speculating prior
2) reaffirms that Kylo Ren isnt some big bad but just an angry child who seems to have a grudge against Rey and wants his grandpas light saber
3) Reveals Rey as being force sensitive, which adds to the mystery of her character and makes us wonder how she can do this, and what her connection to Kylo Ren is
Other than those, its also a pretty entertaining fight in that none of these 3 characters seems to know how to use a light saber until Rey at the very end. Now a lot of people find that to be bad writing, but imo its meant to make us question as to whether or not Rey did have training as a child, and makes us speculate on her character more so so that the next movie will answer those questions.
It's probably my 3rd favorite fight in the series. Empire and Return's are just much better, but this one still has a lot going on in it. A lot of little mini revelations and questions brought up.
>>64726919
>You have to read between the lines,
Every JJ excuse ever for shitty storytelling
>>64727093
Days, weeks... The movie doesn't say and it doesn't matter.
>>64727128
>adds to the mystery of her character
if they wanted to highlight that there's mystry behind her, and the fact that she can use the force is because of some stuff we haven't seen yet they literally did it in the worst possible way because they don't ever acknowledge that she shouldn't be able to do the shit she does
>>64727142
It's not JJ's script though
>>64726464
They've been going downhill for a while now. Mike got famous off his Plinkett reviews and now he's just coasting with half-assed "analysis" and le-look-at-camera-with-a-funny-face.
>>64727128
Good answer bucko
TFA WAS >LITERALLY MADE TO APPEAL TO NOSTALGIA
IT IS NOT A GOOD MOVIE
>>64726919
we know about the shit stuffed between the lines.
>>64726464
Its simple.
White man= bad. Woman and black man= good. We as the audience are very invested in rey and finn prevailing
FINN RUINED FUCKING EVERYTHING
SNOKE TOLD KYLO TO GET REY
HOLY FUCKING SHIT YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER
>>64727368
It's subtle, but they do mention it when Finn asks how she got out.
>I can't explain it, and you wouldn't believe it...
Even she doesn't quite know how she's doing this yet.
>>64727368
I never felt the need to acknowledge it personally because I know enough about Star Wars to know that her using the force is a big deal.
I mean they kind of DO show that when Kylo Ren tries to mind rape her and she resists and fights back and hes like "how are you doing this" and he goes to cry to Gollum and he is like "if thats true bring her to me"
It makes it clear that she has some sort of hidden power, also Leah hugging her at the end and that old pumpkin looking alien asking Han "Who's the girl" also make it clear that there is something about Rey the audience purposefully isnt told.
>>64727177
come on, someone doesnt become your father figure in days or weeks
it takes months, closer to a year for that to happen
>>64727142
>everything has to be spelled out for me
FUCK YOU PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE WHY MOVIES SUCK
>>64727717
>son of a cuck confirmed
>ren, who has been established as having issues with becoming irrationally angry, is intent on chasing down and killing a) the traitor stormtrooper that took the map from him and basically started all the shit in the movie, caused him to look like a fool in front of hux and snoke, and b) the force sensitive girl who was the last key to the map to luke, established throughout the whole fucking movie as something everyone's desperately looking for, also "you need a teacher"
>snoke orders him some 15 minutes earlier in the film "BRING ME THE GIRL"
>finn: "i'm just here to get rey", distraught from seeing ren murder han, overcomes his fear of ren/the first order to protect his waifu
>rey wanting to escape after being abducted and tortured, maybe trying not to die on a planet they are assisting in destroying
ITT: "i'm dense and also i didn't watch the movie"
>>64727717
there are a million films where that happens
>>64727368
Instead they do the opposite, where Kylo isn't surprised by Rey's use of the force and implies that she's only going to become more powerful.
>THERE'S BEEN AN AWAKENING, THE DARK AND THE LIGHT
>Right after this scene Kylo whines about how Snoke senses light in him
Gee, I wonder who woke up the darkness? The Force user who's been marooned on Jakku for over a decade, perhaps?
The dark certainly
>>64726464
Ben Solo wants Anakin's lightsaber. If you haven't noticed, he worships Vader.
Rey wants to avenge her father figure Han who just died.
Finn liked Han for saving life so he was also mad at Ben.
>>64726464
Why would anyone on 4chan give a fuck about what some fat youtuber says or thinks?
>>64727142
Yeah more exposition amirite?
Nolan?? Fuck his exposition I can read between the lines just FINE.
>>64727717
That's subjective to individuals. She may be quick to attachment. He also saved her life.
>>64728023
>Rey wants to avenge her father figure Han who just died.
>Finn liked Han for saving life so he was also mad at Ben.
you mean xir Rey C. Mixer I need no man I can handle myself and nig nog I only here for da white woman.
>/tv/edditers so desperate to hate the movie
>they still fail
top keke
>>64726464
TFA:
>all characters have personal stake in the fight (Rey just watched her mentor die, Kylo Ren wants to prove himself as a better force user than Rey, Finn wants to protect Rey and get back at the First Order as represented by Kylo Ren)
TPM:
>Darth Maul is not even a character, Qui Gon is just fighting him because that's just how it goes between Sith and Jedi, Obi Wan is the only one who gets emotionally involved and that's at the very end
TFA:
>the good and noble Resistance is fighting the genocidal First Order, which is a simple and powerful scenario which audiences can instantly understand and fitting for a fantasy movie about good versus evil
TPM:
>a bureaucracy is fighting a trade federation over some tax disputes
prequelfags pls go
>>64728236
Hey /pol/. How's it hanging?
>>64728236
>actually buying the Rey Mixer prank
lel
>>64728236
edgy
>>64728309
This. Fuck off contrarians.
>>64726464
One thing I wondered is how does Kylo even know that's Luke's saber? "That saber...it belongs to me" But why? There's nothing in film to indicate he knows whose saber it is, did the force tell him in his mind?
>mfw just recently rewatched RLM's prequel reviews
Someone needs to cut it up and impose what they say on top of TFA's scenes. Fucking hypocrites, just about every single criticism they had about the prequels was a problem in the newest movie as well.
>>64728331
that's debatable but not the nigger literally says he's there only for the white woman.
>>64728460
The blade seems to call out to people. It called out to Rey in the cantina. Also probably not a lot of Lightsabers left.
>>64726464
>So, using Plinkett's logic about lightsaber fights, what was this one about?
I'll answer this seriously, even though this board is rapidly descending into a shithole of bait threads and contrarian faggotry:
>Kylo: needs to recapture Rey, whose mysterious abilities he feels are critical to his development as a Sith lord, and at the least, a dangerous adversary if he doesn't stop her
>Rey: needs to escape and complete her new goal in life, fulfilling Maz Kanata's suggestion on locating Luke and bringing him over to the Resistance
>Finn: wants to protect his waifu/friend Rey, and continue his TRAITOR!ous stand against Kylo and the First Order, who likely stole him away from his (murdered?) family
>>64728309
This a million times, if you can't see this then you might as well kill yourself.
>>64727128
WRONG SHIT CUNT
Using mind control prior didn't tip you off that rey had force powers?
Or her vision prior when touching the lightsaber?
Absolute pleb, back to reddit
>>64727717
She lights up with joy when he asks her to come along with him on adventures. Seeing as how she's been abandoned her whole life and how Han seems like the closeset anyone's taken interest in her in years, I'm sure she'd be upset for someone to kill him. It's not perfect and the pacing feels weird but it's there and it's logical
>>64726464
Rey was angry at Kylo for killing Solo and generally being a dick. Kylo was angry at Rey because he's generally just a dick. Finn wanted that Rey booty so he got involved too.
Not much to go on but still better than the Darth Maul fight.
>>64728530
I love it when they bitch about fully cgi characters and mocked George if he directed the LOTR and made Gandalf a fully cg character.
Hey RLM there's no reason why Snoke needs to be cg, he is a humanoid character that could easily be done with an actor and make up.
Fucking overrated hacks.
>>64728309
its not just the details but the way everything is presented, I actually felt emotion when the x-wings appear because up to that point we'd only heard rumours about the resistance and we'd seen how ruthless and powerful the first order is and it felt like nothing would stop them. Even the storm troppers had some weight to them which is something that only ever happened in the opening minutes of a new hope before they faded away into incompetence
>>64728704
He was still right about everything else.
Rey is fighting for revenge for Han Solos death and basically just to survive against Kylo so she can get off the planet before it blows the fuck up.
>>64728530
TFA's problems and the prequels' problem almost have no overlap
>>64728834
We haven't seen Snoke in person yet so let's wait for the trilogy to end before we call them hacks.
>>64727780
Fucking 90's kids were raised on George's hamfisted dialog and don't actually watch the actions the human beings they see onscreen in movies like TFA
>>64726464
they kinda made a meta joke about the review being a disney shill review so we'll see. some of their ideas are great, the amazing spiderman review has some great points
>TRAITOR
>YOU NEED A TEACHER
>>64728834
That would require static camera shots or at least very carefully orchestrated camera matching to pull off, and JJ can't go five seconds without moving the camera around like he's filming a tennis tournament.
>>64729067
its also easier to accept flaws in movies that are actually fun
>>64727717
This is how pathetic /tv/ has gotten in its criticisms of TFA. You guys just show more and more how little you understand what you're talking about.
>>64728530
Except the prequels problems are across the whole spectrum where TFA is just good but has problems. Try again.
>>64729035
The line about nostalgia imagery immediately comes to mind.
Not necessarily a bad thing as a concept itself, but it felt forced in this movie. Especially the fucking trench run in the end where Poe literally says WATCH OUT FOR THOSE TOWERS
>they didn't kill carrie fisher and save us from her acting
the movies only real flaw
>plot of delivering BB8
Rey, Finn, and Han all involved
>plot of finding Luke
Rey is the only one that cares, and she only cares for half a minute until the end of the flick
>plot of stopping Starkiller Base
Finn explicitly says he doesn't care, and Rey doesn't even know that they're on it.
>plot of rescuing Rey
Finn and Han care but they barely tell anyone else
>plot of stopping Kylo
Han's the only one that knows this one and no one else becomes invested in it
meanwhile in A New Hope...
>plot of rescuing Leia
Luke, Ben, and Han all care (eventually)
>plot of blowing up Death Star
Everyone+Leia cares a lot
>>64728980
I hear you man.
TFA characters are just way more solid overall and that makes all the difference in the world. Prequel characters just don't feel like real people. It's not JUST the bad acting - some of it derives from a conscious decision to present the movies like plays and myths with every character being a tragic demigod
it's nearly impossible to give a damn. Obi Wan is the only remotely relatable character in all three movies
>>64726464
It shows the rath and relentless anger in Kylo Ren. You can see this in his lightsaber's strange beam and in him hurting himself just to keep on going.
You also get an arc moment for Finn where he decides to fight instead of just running away frightened like he had been for most of the movie. You get the outward thing of him not being a jedi but that also shows us he's frightened and shaky despite his determination to not be so.
Rey however is just a mary sue.Still considerably better than the prequels
>>64729189
TFA has it's issues but what it aims to do it does right. It's good enough in sending off the old characters while introducing the new ones and that's what the franchise needed to have in a reboot. Anyone who thinks this movie should be anything more than a starting point to go off of is an idiot that doesn't realize that context matters.
>>64728460
He is psychic to be fair.
>>64728309
Darth Maul's mission was to murder Qui Gon not the queen.
Darth Maul completed his mission by removing Annakins' father figure in Qui Gon and the one man who could prevent annakin from his eventual fall.
Im sorry mate but seeing qui gon killed while obi wan is stuck between the shields was a insane moment. Notice how maul elbows qui gon then stabs him?
Meanwhile kylo ren and rey swingf once lock lightsabers and stand still for 3 minutes while Rey has her eyes closed and kylo is doing fuck all
>>64729546
qui gon was the greatest mistake they made
>>64729513
>plot of finding Luke
>Rey is the only one that cares
But that's wrong you fucking retard.
He kills them and escapes unscathed, or they (seemingly) mortally wound him and escape.
Retard.
How do you think Grandpa Skywalker would react to Ben's bullcrap?
>>64729513
So the stakes for the characters are more complex in TFA's ending. That's hardly a problem when it all comes pretty intuitively to people with normal emotions. Yeah, obviously Finn cares most about Rey, and Rey cares most about Han's death, and Han cares most about saving his son... like did you have to think about this for a while?
>>64729844
>Hayden Force Ghost
Robert Shaw or fuck off
>>64726464
Rey wasn't even a fucking jedi master. She made some shit moves during that fight like lunging forward. Left her wide open..
>>64729895
Fuck off into your grave already gramps, Jesus.
>>64729584
Why does ret being a mary sue matter.
I, for one, would love to have the sequels establish just how better rey is than kylo ren is every possible way. Ren's character should focus on how he deals with failure as someone who aspires to be as great as darth vader, and rey's character should focus not on the journey of how she grows stronger, but how she makes decisions welding the power she has. Being a jedi doesn't mean being the strongest being in the universe, but by learning about self control and doing the right thing. This is something she should get into conflict about when she gets the chance to kill kylo. Her choices should define her arc, not her skills.
>jay on into darkness: "I was worried that after Vulcan being destroyed in the last film, planets were going to be blowing up everywhere"
>mike on how stupid the next star trek sequel will be after Into Darkness: "It'll have a borg cube that is the size of a planet"
>The Glib Facsimile Awakens has a planet sized Death Star and 6 planets explode in the film
Woah. What a consistent opinion they have.
>>64729652
But that's useless background trivia. The audience doesn't know and is in fact never told. It doesn't make the scene more engaging by the slightest bit. I'll agree with you that Qui Gon's death scene was pretty good - the fight itself isn't bad at all, the soundtrack is amazing, the setting is cool, I even like the ridiculous overcoreographed moves - but plotwise we're watching robots fighting over nothing, characters we barely care about and who don't even know each other fighting for overly complex and utterly boring reasons
>>64728606
Eh I really dont like that, are some lightsabers greater than others? And before Rey enters Maz's room the door lock just opens. Did the saber did that? That makes me mad if it did.
>>64729630
You're right. It bugs though that he is psychic, I remember how he knew Finn's stromtrooper name before the computer could pull it up. Something about that just seems wrong to me and in a cynical way I feel he has that power because of lazy script writing.
>>64730115
they mention that its stupid
nice meme though
>>64726464
From which point of view do want? In terms of Kylo's motivation for chasing them, it aint really rocket surgery. In the first Act, Kylo fucks up when he sees Finn having doubts but doesn't do anything about it, which leads to Finn and Poe escaping. In the second Act, Kylo fucks up by trying to mind rape Rey, inadvertently "awakening" her force awareness and allowing her to escape. After both of these fuckups, we see him react by having temper tantrums and destroying things. They are his 2 biggest fuck ups in the entire story, and he has a lot of emotion invested in fixing his mistakes. Upon fighting Rey, he realizes how powerful she is and tries to recruit her.
From Rey and Finn's perspective, this asshole has been making their life hell the entire time, and just murdered their mentor, his own father, right in front of them. They're all mad at each other based off of what happened over the course of the entire plot of the film.
Their emotional and practical motivations for fighting each other are clear and earned. He wants to capture/kill the traitor and recruit the Jedi; they want that not to happen, and have their own desires for vengeance.
On the contrary, Plinkett was referring to Darth Maul fighting Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon. They had JUST met. They had had zero interaction before this fight. Either side's actions had not really affected the other's in any way throughout the entire plot of the film. Neither side has any emotional motivation to be willing to fight to death over personal beefs, much less having any real reason to think that fighting to death is necessary strategically for that matter. They just DO, because the movie needed a sword fight, and that was the only reason Maul was there.
Do you actually not understand these things, or is this like a writing exercise for you?
>>64729652
MAUL IS NOT A FUCKING CHARACTER, HE IS A FUCKING ACTION FIGURE
>>64729652
how can anyone defend that, the worst fight from the worst movie
>>64730115
Planets explode in the original Star Wars. They are different series that have different expectations.
>>64730115
>yeah the third death star is kind of stupid
>but it acts as a setting for the actual focus of the plot, which is Rey and Finn vs Kylo
They address that its dumb, but not dumb enough to bring the flick down.
>>64730073
>Why does ret being a mary sue matter.
Because it makes for a shit narrative for a shit movie when the protagonist is basically god the entire time.
See the Matrix trilogy. The first movie is a perfect character arc, the next two are universally reviled schlock.
>>64729652
Fucking contrarians man
>>64730340
>but not dumb enough to bring the flick down
it gets awfully close, they could at least have not destroyed it, is there gonna be another fourth death star that eats galaxies to power a laser that destroys the universe?
I want to murder the fat studio fuck who forced that shit in there
>>64730226
Vader was also psychic. Luke and Leia had psychic connections in the second 2 movies of the OT. The prequels were full of "psychic" force power.
Kylo new Finn's prefix and number because he had noted his distaste for slaughtering unarmed people during the attack in the beginning of the film. He knew that dude wasn't on board, so when he learned that one escaped, he was able to guess which one it was. It's actually pretty fucking good writing. It explains a lot of Kylo's frustrations as he smashes things during his tantrum. He's pissed at himself for not doing something about the dude when he should have.
>>64729149
yea but it wasnt star wars. its fun in a "i want to waste 2 hours late night" way
>>64730776
the original movies were 'i want to waste 2 hours late night' too
god dam uppity nerds thinking their space magic movie is anything more than a flick
>>64730776
it had star wars in the name and was more star wars than the last 3 so it was star wars
>>64729652
>>64730488
You know /tv/ has gone full retard when the prequels are suddenly being defended and celebrated.
>>64730776
What? It more Star Wars than fucking The Phantom Menace was.
>>64730450
>because it's shit
That's not really an argument.
You don't need characters to start from the bottom to make them relatable, it helps, but it's not a requirment. As long as they(and I mean all characters, not just rey) have relatable conflicts and decisions, it should be just fine.
What would rey decide if given the chance to kill kylo
How far would kylo go to get stronger
Can rey even handle making hard decisions
What happens if rey actually loses
What happens if rey decodes to give to the dark side
These are all decisions that show character interest that can be used as a base for a narrative that have NOTHING TO do with relative skill.
Also, you're assuming she'll continue to be a mary sue throughout a clearly planned trilogy.
>>64730776
Fucking morons.
>>64728309
why can't all prequelfags just pin this into their fridges? so before anything else they are actually suck back into reality?
the force awakens amirite?
>>64730757
Touche.
>>64726464
Finn wanted to defend Rey who he was beta orbiting
Rey wanted to avenge Han who she'd grown close to
Kylo was extremely emotionally distressed after killing his own father and wanted to regain control by capturing Rey and taking her to Snooki
meanwhile what was the motivation for the final fight with Darth Maul? "well we have lightsabers... he has lightsabers... everyones fighting... guess we'll take him"
>>64728309
fucking stop it with these memes you TFA memeing fucks
the only thing going on in that fight was kylo being an edgelord and wanting to fuck shit up
both rey and finn at that point were trying to fucking escape and that's all they did the ENTIRE MOVIE
their only motivation was fucking self preservation FOR THE ENTIRE MOVIE
>>64731015
>can rey even handle making hard decisions
Doesn't matter when she's always right.
>what happens if rey actually loses
Doesn't matter when she always wins.
>what happens if rey decides to go to the dark side
Doesn't matter because she won't and you know it.
You can't just make the main character of a generic action movie always right and super powerful right from the beginning, the whole point of the hero's journey is to see the hero grow. I mean yeah, you can have some hard decisions and temptations in there, but where's the tension? Why would she be tempted to join the dark side of she's already strong enough? What really counts as a hard decision when everything works out for her in the end?
>>64730340
>yeah the third death star is kind of stupid
Am I the only one who noticed that a third Death Star says more about how the First Order than the screenplay?
The First Order is trapped in a cycle, similar to the Nazis invading Russia in WW2...all they can think of as a comeback for the Galactic Empire is a bigger, better battlestation.
Snoke doesn't even give a shit at movie's end...the presumably hundreds of thousands to millions of troops he loses are all part of his plan to lure the last Jedi, Luke, and all the Force aware n00bs (Kylo, Rey, maybe Finn) into the open.
>>64731570
is that you jj, must be if you know so much about the movies that arent out yet
>>64730450
You niggers don't even understand what the Mary Sue trope is, much less that it was never intended to apply to PROTAGONISTS. All PROTAGONISTS are essentially Mary Sues.
Not the the whole Mary Sue complaint isn't fundamentally built around a retarded understanding of the events of the plot. She is constantly on the run, surviving by the skin of her teeth. Just because she knows how to fight, and made a living knowing about starships, doesn't make her a Mary Sue. She has learned skills that she uses to her advantage. So does Peter Parker, so does John McClane, so does Luke, so does Anakin, so does Captain America, so does every notable fucking protagonist. The point isn't that she is useless and retarded, then learns how not to be. Her character arc is about getting over her past and embracing her role as The Hero going forward. King Arthur didn't do a training montage to turn into a hero, he just happened to be the guy that could pull the magic sword out of a rock. His narrative arc is about what he does with the power that is forced upon him, not that he started off as a retard then learned how to fight more better.
Quit parroting memes you don't fucking understand, idiot.
>>64731570
>Doesn't matter when she's always right.
she isn't
>Doesn't matter when she always wins.
she fails and gets caught and is a coward for a good chunk of the movie
>>64731708
I actually am JJ Abrams, AMA.
>>64731886
What does the JJ really stand for?
>>64730907
This tbqh
Fuck this board and fuck movies
>>64731626
I second this. I really enjoyed that the baddies in TFA were ALSO dynamic and flawed. Kylo fucks up multiple time throughout the story when he lets thing go (not confronting Finn when he realizes Finn is having second doubts), or gets frustrated (leaving Rey alone after she counter-mind fucks him), so when he is confronted by his dad, he tries to go all in with the darkness, and is all fucked up about that too.
He's desperately trying to be as badass as his grandpappy, and The First Order and Starkiller Base is a reflection of that.
On a meta-level this can also be read as the film trying to get back to what was good about the orig trig. Having both sides get crippled and running away with their tails between their legs at the end leaves the future films open to go in new directions.
>>64726464
this fucking thead ends up like every single TFA thread. TFA faggots say shit, get wrecked by anons, then give up and exit the thread and post the same retarded shit in another thread
>rinse and repeat
seriously you pleb mother fuckers how many times does this shit need to be explained? TFA has no redeeming qualities you god damn ingrates
who is the protogonist in The Phantom Awakens? It ain't Rey, she only appears a half hour in and even then she has no real idea what's going on, no motivation to 'find Luke' which the opening crawl tells me is the plot of this movie.
>>64727717
This. He's more like a Mother's boyfriend figure.
>>64732486
>give up and exit the thread and post the same retarded shit in another thread
>implying its the TFA crowd shitting up /tv/ with Mary Sue and PT threads, with the occasional Blacked thread still making a routine appearance
>>64732647
>she only appears a half hour in
Ten minutes, max, before we see her hopping around the guts of a rekt Star Destroyer.
About the same amount of time it took Luke to appear in ANH.
Maz Kanata and Luke's lightsaber revealing her mysterious past are her motivation.
>>64731709
>She has learned skills that she uses to her advantage. So does Peter Parker, so does John McClane, so does Luke, so does Anakin, so does Captain America, so does every notable fucking protagonist
But she doesn't.
>>64732647
Rey is quite clearly the protagonist. Nice tryhard though.
>>64732486
>get wrecked by anons
Yeah ok. Scroll up for all the Mary Sue shitposts. Scroll down for people actually talking about TFA.
>>64727103
This. Also Rey and Finn are pissed because Ren killed a guy they care about.
>>64731523
The Jedi knew the sith had awaken. Upon seeing maul they knew he was a sith and they had to stop him. The only Jedi who knew who maul was had died in the underbelly of coruscant right before tpm happened.
>>64726464
>I'm butthurt that Mike liked TFA because I fundamentally didn't understand the point of his prequel reviews
Congrats, OP! You're a retard!
>>64732953
But she does. Who she is and what she is capable of is established in her opening scenes in the first act. Try again.
is plinkett going to do a review of this movie?
>>64727586
Was it dingleberries?
>>64732953
she's a skilled mechanic and shows that multiple times
>>64731709
>it's not a Mary Sue if the character has a backstory
Sounds like you don't understand what the term means. Check your butthurt at the door.
>>64730910
>>64730987
it was more star trek 09 than star wars. just because there are xwings, tie fighters, and lightsabers doesnt make it star wars.
shut up and take your brain medicine
>>64733154
He generally only reviews movies that fail to accomplish what they set out to do, and generally suck. If he's going to start reviewing the not-shitty Star Wars movies, he should start with Return of the Teddy Bears.
Ironic that it too RLM falling for a nostalgia bait movie for people to realize they're as shit tier as the Nostalgia Critic.
>>64731570
Tell me what else happens in the future movies, dude. I'd love to know how she mary sue's her way through episode 8 and 9
>>64733258
but didn't he review the JJ star trek movie? I thought people say it didn't suck (I haven't watched )
>>64733221
>why is a movie made in 2015 not the same as a movie made in 1970 by a different person
>>64733309
Yeah he partially reviewed it.
He loved it even though he admitted it was full of shallow characters and a bullshit plot.
>>64733219
You literally don't know what the term means. Mary Sue applies to characters that are perfect and badass WITH NO ESTABLISHED REASON TO BE. Her abilities as a mechanic, familiarity with starships, and ability to defend herself are established by story context and exposition. Check your understanding of things you learned about a week ago from Max Landis at the faggot depot, dipshit.
It was a lot more character driven, and even with the ANH story it didn't have long drawn out political plot arcs in an action movie. It's at least understandable why they liked this movie more than the prequels. I'd have been more ciritcal but the review didn't go very deep anyways.
It's amusing to see on their videos their fans writing these angry walls of text because the review didn't bash it.
>>64733309
Yeah it was the only Plinkett review about something that he didn't hate. And it was generally not super-interesting. I'd like to see his point-by-point about how TFA succeeds, like his Star Trek review, but mainly just to watch the /tv/ contrarians REEEE about it.
>>64733395
>abilities as a mechanic, familiarity with starships,
>I pick up shit in the desert and sell it for scrap now I can fly ships, fight anything, and fix anything
that's like a homeless guy picking up cans on the side of the road and using that knowledge to build a CPU.
>>64733359
it was a remake of ANH and still didnt capture why star wars was brilliant. youre pretty much a 16 year old at this point to not get that
>>64733395
shes a mary sue. why does leia hug her instead of chewie? why can she perform feats of insane skill by just being a scavenger. thats like saying i take apart computers for a living but somehow know how to code like a pro
>>64726464
Rey and Finn had a lot of interaction with Ren before the fight. Rey when taken prisoner and Finn working with the First Order.
Qui Gon literally never spoke with Maul he only attacked him once.
>>64733395
>Her abilities as a mechanic, familiarity with starships, and ability to defend herself are established by story context and exposition.
but not her abilities with force persuasion, force pull, force mindfuck, and blasters yet she's proficient in all of them?
>>64733517
I'm not a patrician like yourself but maybe they were doing a new take on the same story using talents they know they have rather than trying and failing to do something they know they can't.
>>64733517
>thats like saying i take apart computers for a living but somehow know how to code like a pro
remind you of anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K48415OeDdg
>>64733643
Is there anything clock-boy can't do?
>>64733517
>why can she perform feats of insane skill by just being a scavenger
Why can luke shoot missiles through a 2 foot hole?
why can luke rappel across a 20 foot gap?
Why can luke navigate through a space station infested with elite stormtroopers?
>>64733629
Lawrence Kasdan wrote Empire Strikes Back, it's bullshit to say he couldn't write anything new.
This whole thing was JJ led nostalgia bait.
>>64727177
Literally hours
>>64733479
>I'm a scavenging survivor who makes a living scavenging from and repairing starships, and I've survived this long on a hostile desert planet by learning how to fight and having utility. I live in a universe where starships are basically cars.
It's like if A PERSON THAT MAKES A LIVING FIGHTING AND WORKING ON STARSHIPS knows how to fight and operate starships.
It's like if a shlubby failure cop somehow knows how to foil a bunch of heavily armed terrorists.
It's like if an optimistic, well-intentioned lowborn wannabe-knight is able to pull a magic sword out of a stone.
It's like if an archeology teacher is really good at martial arts, shooting, whip utility, murdering people, and inexplicably escaping elaborate traps.
>>64733629
and thats too safe and uninspired. over a billion dollars were shelled out so the world could see ANH redone. sure it was decent and you didnt hate it but at the same time it just sucks as its own story. i dont think anyone wanted to see a rehashed ANH.
>>64733643
dont remind me
>>64733517
>why does leia hug her instead of chewie?
Why does Leia hug her likely niece instead of her ex's gorilla dog sidekick?
>why can she perform feats of insane skill by just being a scavenger
Why do people who know how to climb and do stuff know how to climb and do stuff?
>thats like saying i take apart computers for a living but somehow know how to code like a pro
No it isn't.
>>64733672
The final shot was analogous to his training which was also blind force usage, but Luke surviving the Death Star, even adapting to the situtation easily, was pretty impressive. Rey at least showed to have some fighting experience. Luke farmed water.
>>64726464
>RLM shits on the prequels to the point of pure memery, saying things like "you can't enjoy the opening on Revenge of the Sith because it's CGI and CGI is common these days."
>RLM sucks-off the glib fascimilie TFA like it's their landlord
I hate these bastards.
>>64733672
becaaaaaause
he's been flying the same companys ship for his whole life and lets you know that he bullseyes womprats like no ones business
because plot
because they werent trying to hit him. they had a tracking beacon on the falcon. vader says this. they wanted them to escape but vader wanted to fucking kill obi wan so he made sure he did that. they wanted to find the rebel base, and they did
>>64733720
>FIGHTING AND WORKING ON STARSHIPS
If by that you mean she wandered around aimlessly on a desert planet collecting junk like an old man on a beach then yeah ok.
>>64727400
Do you seriously think that hollywood screenwriters are responsible for inventing the story? Usually the director and other writers think of the story and then hire a screenwriter to lay it out in a single script.
Get it? The Force awakens? Because the Force chose a strong independent woman who don't need no man, or training for that matter to suddenly become a Jesus heroine that fights back against the oppressive misogynistic white man? Oh yeah and the black guy loves her because diversity!
Welcome to the new age boys: /tvc/ - Television, Films & Cuckolds
>>64733672
Why couldn't Luke see the a droid tricked him?
Why couldn't Luke not get BTFO by sandpeople?
Why couldn't Luke defend himself from two thugs at a bar?
Why could't Luke talk to the alien at the bar?
Why couldn't Luke bail them out of the trash compactor?
Why did Luke have to be bailed out by Han Solo in the trench run?
>>64733862
JJ came in and changed the script to his liking
Of course he was behind all the bullshit.
>poor farmer/scavenger grows up on some literally who desert planet, is a natural pilot and a force user
They've already done this with 2 star wars protagonists in a row. Why stop now?
>>64733672
>Why can luke shoot missiles through a 2 foot hole?
Because he used to bullseye womp rats in his T-16 back home.
> why can luke rappel across a 20 foot gap?
swinging on a rope ain't that fucking difficult
>Why can luke navigate through a space station infested with elite stormtroopers?
With the help of a droid that can access the computers and Stormtrooper disguise
>>64733558
>but not her abilities with force persuasion, force pull, force mindfuck,
Probably trained in that before being abandoned. Even if she wasn't, she lived down the road from the church of the force. She would have known what those things were. And the point is clear that she's very powerful. You know, like Luke and Anakin. Almost like there's precedent or something.
>blasters
She says she knows how to use blasters. All protagonists are crack shots in all movies. Luke is a moisture farmer and he shoots people easily. Cry about it.
>proficient
able to do them
>>64733792
so she wont hug her ex husbands best friend who she went through great adventures with because lol maybe niece
>climb stuff
uhhh she bullseyes stormtroopers, overpowers kylo with the force and with a lightsaber, and literally saves everyone at every fucking turn
>no it isnt
yes it is. she salvages shit, why should she be able to pilot better than anakin and be able to fix the falcon the moment she needs to? somehow she knows the falcon better than Han fucking Solo and fixes it even though she states that its junk and has no interest in it. shes a shit character
>>64733875
Luke was always getting BTFO in episode 4, it's hilarious that anyone thinks he was a Mary Sue.
>>64733825
>If by that you mean she wandered around aimlessly on a desert planet collecting junk
If by that you mean things you made up to prove a point that you can't actually do using evidence from then film, then I'll let you chase your straw windmills on your own time.
>>64727586
>we
Maybe Ren really just does suck with a saber, he all force powers, which he does look great at.
I honestly think I would took him in a saber fight and fucked up him.
>>64733919
>Probably trained in that before being abandoned. Even if she wasn't, she lived down the road from the church of the force. She would have known what those things were. And the point is clear that she's very powerful. You know, like Luke and Anakin. Almost like there's precedent or something.
literally, >implying the statement
>She says she knows how to use blasters
no, she doesn't. she says she can handle herself and says the way to use it is to pull the trigger, han doesn't even teach her, but she figures it out anyway.
>able to do them
no other character in the film was better than her at them
>>64733981
>collects junk that barely pays for any food
>hurr she had so much badass training.
>>64733872
Accept Rey is literally channeling Obi-Wan and Yoda. She also was trained by or at least had a mentor relationship with Luke; so there were definitely men that contributed to her force abilities.
She also knows how to use the staff; that's why she stabs with the light saber and doesn't just swipe. Plus Ren is still an apprentice so he isn't crazy powerful anyways.
>>64733919
>Probably trained in that before being abandoned
That is never implied in the movie at all.
>>64733643
I know clock kid is dumb but people in the comments acting like you need a full factory to make a CPU are also dumb.
>>64734002
>which he does look great at.
>immediately overpowered by a novice who just figured out the jedi where real hours ago
>kylo
>great with the force
pick one and only one
>>64734083
>ive seen a cpu a couple times
>i can build a cpu now!
yea no
>>64734094
can you imagine if Luke beat Vader 1v1 in episode 4?
Talk about neutering your villain, which literally ever Marvel movie does these days.
>>64733924
>uhhh she bullseyes stormtroopers, overpowers kylo with the force and with a lightsaber
Uhh luke bullseyed stormtroopers. Leia bullseyed stormtroopers.
Uhh Kylo LOST. He was weak physically, and in the force, was clearly conflicted, and was trying to recruit her. She took advantage of his letting her consider his offer to disarm and wound him. And she's better at space magic. Cry about it faggot.
>and literally saves everyone at every fucking turn
No she doesn't.
>yes it is. she salvages shit, why should she be able to pilot better than anakin and be able to fix the falcon the moment she needs to? somehow she knows the falcon better than Han fucking Solo and fixes it even though she states that its junk and has no interest in it. shes a shit character
Confirmed for retard. Why should a person WHO HAS SPENT OVER A DECADE WORKING ON STARSHIPS be a better pilot than A FUCKING TODDLER SLAVE ANAKIN?
Be more retarded.
>>64734030
Almost like she's got more space magicks then the other characters. Cry about it.
>>64733899
Luke never felt as 'natural' to me. He mostly fucks up and loses to Vader. In Return he comes back full of smug only to get duped into Rankor cave like a fucktard. He only manages to beat Vader thanks to retard rage
>>64734076
>That is never implied in the movie at all.
Yes it is.
>>64734169
>luke bullseyed stormtroopers. Leia bullseyed stormtroopers.
you don't know what "bulls eye" means.
>>64734125
Just saying it's possible and people have done it a lot.
>>64734169
>Why should a person WHO HAS SPENT OVER A DECADE WORKING ON STARSHIPS be a better pilot than A FUCKING TODDLER SLAVE ANAKIN?
>If I spend a year working at a car parts store, I'll become a better driver than a small town race car driver
>>64734279
You do seem to know what "cry about it faggot" means.
>>64734169
>using the Ot characters to defend rey
shiggy diggy
>no she doesnt
saves herself, finn and bb8 from tie fighters
saves finn from rathtarrs
saves everyone by fixing the falcon
saves herself by mindtricking a trooper
saves finn by BTFO kylo ren
>working on starships
please tell me how a scavenger, who literally pulls shit out of star ships, somehow knows how to pilot the falcon better than everyone else. dont bring up anakin, he was a shit character. i never defended him. you are running out of arguments fuck boy
>>64734201
>the writing is shit
>cry about it
BRAVO JJ
BRAVO DISNEY
>>64734330
>cry about it faggot
It's a sign of autism to repeat the same thing over and over again
>>64734295
if youre a fucking savant with an IQ of 170 maybe, but that doesnt make a good fucking character in a star wars movie which is based around character growth, rey shouldnt be tony stark
>>64726464
>They try tu survive
>Finn gets mad when Kylo calls him a "traitor", maybe because he just killed his father, maybe he's just tired of being called a traitor, I don't know but he gets mad
>Rey then gets mad because Finn got BTFO
>Meanwhile Kylo has a fucking storm of emotions going through his mind
Comparing this to
>Anakin and Obi Wan fight Dooku
>Yoda fights too
>The fight ends
Is absurd
>>64734388
he was talking about clock boy not MaRey Sue
>>64734449
the clock boy discussion was based off rey discussion so i interjected that point
>>64733924
>somehow she knows the falcon better than Han fucking Solo and fixes it
She was basically the slave of the guy who had owned it for years and had made modifications she knew about and Han didn't. And she didn't even really fix it during the hyperspace scene. She just ripped out a part like an idiot and it happened to work.
>>64734094
Ehh, guess you're right when you think about it that way.
Only reason is I thought he sucks with a Lightsaber is because even finn got a hit on him, and his supposedly force sensitive.
>>great with the force
His force freeze and mind read shit seems pretty well versed, as well as he can stop blaster shots mid air while continuing to do other things. That looked pretty impressive.
but>>64734168
Like anon said, Kylo is no become just some guy since he has lost to an untrained force user now. He doesn't have the menacing threat like the 3 movie build up like Vader had with luke. They're going to have to figure out something to make up for this.
>>64726464
>How did Rey recome a master jedi instantly
She is the chosen one, that's it
>>64734315
Him being a pod racer is retarded too. Literally no human has ever won a pod-race, except for Rey's grandpa when he was 8. His toddlerbilities are apparently reasonable to you, but everything she does is MUH MARY SUE.
Almost all protagonists are Mary Sues. The Mary Sue trope doesn't apply to protagonists. It applies to secondary characters that are too skilled for their station. It's retarded to complain about them in the space fantasy movie about protagonists who come out of nowhere and are inexplicably good at stuff. They all are. It's the fucking point. They're "the one." We're only watching them BECAUSE THEY ARE SPECIAL. It's a goddamn waste of time and an empty complaint. Keep memeing for Max Landis.
>>64734504
>oi mate i bypassed the compressor ya fookin cunt
no she knew what she was doing
>>64734332
Because she's better at space magic. Cry about it faggot. Don't really feel like running in circles with you autists.
>>64734593
im glad you got so booty blasted that you cant even respond. literally suck my dick right now
>>64734545
Yeah, she knew what the compressor was, and she ripped it out like an idiot. She wasn't fixing anything, just tearing out a part Han didn't know how to work with. I never even got the impression that scene was supposed to show her doing something impressive. To me, it looked like she panicked and did something potentially stupid, then there was a brief moment of tension before it turned out okay.
>>64734354
The writing is pretty considerably good. We're arguing about half-assed nitpicks that you contrarians are desperately clinging to because you need to anonymously stress how special you are.
>>64734378
>It's a sign of autism to repeat the same thing over and over again
So does that explain the endless Mary Sue whining?
>>64734651
she literally turned around with a huge smile like a fucking toddler who pooped in the toilet for the first time on her own and said that line. she knew it would work, we didnt see her being conflicted about ripping it out, she just does it and smiles and we're supposed to pat her on the head and go "oh that rey, shes so great!"
>>64727093
The movie explicitly states this though, Kylo sees when reading her mind that she considers han the father she never had
>>64734655
>The writing is pretty considerably good.
No it isn't.
>>64734540
not saying it isn't but the internal logic of anakin and luke being good pilots is already laid out for everyone. but rey was a scavanger, so she's a pilot now? thats like saying because I was a waiter, I must be a great cook. the logic doesn't follow.
>>64734593
you know a lot of people can accept the fact that she's a better force user, but they want to know how and why she so quickly learns shit that usually has to be learned. you can be a real natural at math, but that doesn't mean the day after I teach you algebra(or about algebra), you are going to start doing differential equations. I know that you can't only respond to this by cry more, so go ahead and say it
It seems like the people arguing are coming from different viewpoints which is why nobody is getting anywhere here. The people who defend Rey are looking at it in universe, ie "She's an expert fighter because she grew up as a scavenger! It's justified!" and the people who dislike her do so because being an ultra perfect mechanical space wizard is damaging to the narrative because there's no tension, or arc, or anything. She's really no different from Resident Evil's Alice except Rey is attached to a franchise people, you know, give a shit about.
Luke
>struggles a lot as he grows as a character and guides us through the story
Rey
>is super amazing and can do anything because The Force Awakened, other characters exist solely to be wowed and one upped by her
>>64734709
>considers han the father she never had
>wants to abandon everyone to go back to jakku and wait for her family
unless shes fucking retarded you have to make that a plot point. in the movie we never see that she feels han is her surrogate dad other than a throwaway line by kylo. there is no character growth in the new movie other than finn becoming a good guy out of nowhere and rey deciding to use the force. dont even tell me that those examples are good character growth because they arent. they are rushed and its hard to really get why they feel this way
>>64734707
>like a fucking toddler
Yeah, like a clueless person who was guessing at shit.
>>64734788
this. fucking this, dubs confirm. this is objectively true and kill yourself if you think otherwise
>>64734635
>Thinking there's any "booty blasting" a'happening.
There's only so many times I can repeat the same responses to the same copypasted complaints. If you want to chalk this up as a "win," have at it faggot. You're the one wasting your time complaining anonymously about things you don't even fucking like. There's no winners here.
End of the day, the movie succeeds as a film and as a revival of a dying franchise. To most viewers, it connected on aesthetic, emotional levels and offered an engaging story that was greater than the sum of it's nitpicks. There's no amount of you anonymously parroting Max Landis that will change that.
Han Solo just got fucking murdered. They were pissed off. Also Kylo and Rey had an established dynamic from the interrogation scene. That's enough emotional tension for me, and sure as shit had more going for it than the average prequel fight. I really liked it.
>>64733875
Mother fuckers Luke couldn't even go to the Tohsie station to get some power converters.
>>64734802
Part of Rey's character is that she keeps her emotions close to her chest. She doesn't explain why she wants to stay on jakku, Maz figures it out with her old person powers. She likewise doesn't try to let off that she sees han as a father figure
>there is no character growth in the new movie other than finn becoming a good guy out of nowhere and rey deciding to use the force
Except there's also Kylo's progressively deteriorating mental state
>>64734817
>i bypassed the compressor
>guessing
are you retarded?
>>64734863
just because the normal person is retarded and enjoyed the movie doesnt mean its flawless. it was a fucking rushed, incoherent, souless reboot you fucking mong
>>64734690
That's simply an accurate description of a well known cliche.
Saying "cry more faggot" is just the desperate interjection of a pathetic JJ fanboy.
>>64734889
how is him getting more troubled character development? oh no hes more evul now!
>>64733798
>>64733819
>>64733875
>>64733904
the correct answer was the force, you all fail
>>64734963
Development is just the process of change. Kylo's mental state changes, therefore his character develops. 'Character development' comes in more forms than 'protagonist learns to be brave and stand up for himself', it can be destructive as well
>>64734777
>not saying it isn't but the internal logic of anakin and luke being good pilots is already laid out for everyone
NO IT ISN'T. The line about Luke was added in 1997. And shooting womp-rats doesn't explain why he's suddenly the best and only pilot capable of destroying a fucking Death Star. Not to mention he fucking uses THE FORCE to do it. And there's no amount of exposition that makes it any more reasonable that some fucking slave baby is the best podracer ever.
And sorry to break this to you, but a race car driver wouldn't know the first fucking thing about flying a space ship. And Rey's ability to fly a space ship didn't save the day in the third act. Luke and Anakin's did. That's even fucking dumber.
End of the day. Fucking cry about it. Keep grasping at straws. They're all Mary Sues.
>>64734963
>how is a character developing character development?
Gee I dunno.
>>64734931
>incoherent
try paying attention next time you watch the movie, the plot was perfectly followable
>>64735025
so him killing han was character development? he was already evil, just because he does something more evil doesnt make good development. shit you could say rey had development because she fought kylo with a lightsaber. thats not good character development. that is the least amount you could possibly have
>>64735059
he becomes more evil. wow, such development
>>64735064
the movie was filled with holes and contrivances that didnt make sense. you could follow it only if you didnt give a shit about the story
>>64728309
Except no? It's pretty obvious in Phantom why Maul is following them. They escaped the blockade on Naboo and the Trade Federation is too incompetent to find them, so Sheev sends Maul to track them down. Did you people even watch the movie? During the actual fight scene he shows up to stop the Queen and her guards from retaking Naboo because that would derail Sheev's plans to start a war.
>>a bureaucracy is fighting a trade federation over some tax disputes
Again, did you even watch the movie? The trade negotiations shit is not even relevant, it's about Sheev working behind the scenes to destabilize the Republic, and the invasion of Naboo is his first attempt to do so. Hence the title of the fucking movie, "The Phantom Menace". There is a lot to criticize in the prequels but I swear to god half of these people are just to retarded to follow a plot that's a little more complex than SPACE NAZIS = EBIL.
>>64734931
>just because the normal person is retarded and enjoyed the movie doesnt mean its flawless.
Never said it was. Never said it was supposed to be.
>it was a fucking rushed, incoherent, souless reboot you fucking mong
I found it quite soulful, and it's only incoherent if you're fucking retarded. Even things that aren't stated by dialogue can easily be inferred through context and visual exposition.
5>4>7>6>3>2>1
>>64734788
look at the retard that thinks that's good writing and story telling.
>>64735053
>And there's no amount of exposition that makes it any more reasonable that some fucking slave baby is the best podracer ever.
He wasn't the best ever. It was the only race he finished much less won in a string of races won by Sebulba. Sebulba is a better racer.
>>64735133
a movie filled with plot holes and contrivances doesnt make a good movie, it makes it incoherent. the scene with rey and finn vs the tie fighters was so "how the fuck are they doing this" that it became mind numbing
>>64734931
>are you retarded?
Are you? She was guessing about whether it would work or not. Han said they were moments from being obliterated abd Rey tore out the compressor (an issue Han had mentioned earlier. When she turned around, she smiled like a toddler trying to impress someone and sounded pretty exasperated, like a kid trying to find out if they did the right thing.
I know autism makes it hard to understand human interactions and it can be hard to follow a plot when shiny things and explosions are happening, but try.
>>64735143
You got him. Destroyed him.
>>64735117
I don't know why you're bothering to argue with so many people when your arguments come down to gross simplifications. Like you're not even fucking trying to argue properly, you're just being lazy? Why even bother? Just do a quick quip and get out, these reply chains aren't doing anything for you.
>>64735053
Okay so even if they added the line about Luke being a pilot later, it's still there in the most current version of the movies, which makes it canon. Anakin in Phantom is a bit of a Mary Sue but at least they explain that he had experience pod racing. Rey beating Kylo doesn't make any sense, and it makes even less sense that she can do mind tricks and telekenesis (something that Luke wasn't able to do until the Empire). Especially since the established lore shows that untrained force sensitives typically show abilities like heightened reflexes and occasional visions of the future, not performing advanced techniques like the mind trick right away.
>>64735117
are you autistic and unable to read character depth or are you making an active effort to ignore things?
Kylo is presented at the start of the movie as the dark powerful force who can freeze laser shots and kills innocent people. When he learns about rey's abilities and more importantly the fact that she's bonded with his father in a way he never did, he starts to lose his confidence and mental composure (note that this is also the point where he takes his mask off, it's blatant symbolism for his fake confident persona disappearing). There's also the whole internal conflict where he's an edgelord who wants to be evil but still has some of the good side in him which he actively has to ignore
Him killing han at the end was the final tipping point, but the entire movie was full of moments which brought him to that point
Why do people keep using the prequels to try and defend TFA? I thought everyone thought those movies were shit?
>>64735227
Plot holes and contrivances do not contribute to incoherency. Coherency is about how the narrative transitions from location to location and setting the moments which cause the character to develop. What you're complaining about is nitpicks and literally nothing to do with coherency
>>64735303
>added the line about Luke being a pilot later
the one line when he was shit talking to the other pilot was enough.
>>64735053
why are you mad?
>And shooting womp-rats doesn't explain why he's suddenly the best and only pilot capable of destroying a fucking Death Star.
Luke gets bailed out by Han and Obi-won on the death star run. He is also pretty much a garage grease monkey who pilots his own small craft in the film. The tension that you feel on the final death star run is because this is the first time Luke is really on his own in the entire film, which is worrying because everyone has had to save his ass multiple times.
>And there's no amount of exposition that makes it any more reasonable that some fucking slave baby is the best podracer ever.
It's dumb that a 9 year old kid is racing ships(and had been racing them for 3 years), but the internal logic of him being proficient pilot, because he was a great racer holds. at least it holds better than a scrap collector being an ace.
> And Rey's ability to fly a space ship didn't save the day in the third act. Luke and Anakin's did. That's even fucking dumber.
>non-sequitur's
you didn't even address my other pointbecause you can't[/spoilers]
go ahead and defend the shit writing, by saying cry more. it's the one thing you've been good at
>>64735303
Han shot second.
>>64735313
What are you talking about? He takes the mask off before mind reading Rey because she calls him out on being a phony.
How does he become more unstable after that? He was already tearing up control panels before Rey got captured.
>>64735373
>Why do people keep using the prequels to try and defend TFA?
That detective, is the right question.
>>64728309
Darth Maul, a resurgent Sith, that are supposedly extinct, is apparently in league with the Trade Federation, and attacks a Jedi Master and his Padawan, that we've been following since the very beginning of the film, as they've been trying to piece together what the hell is going on. Maul kills the Master, and the Padawan lashes out.
Trade Federation is the beginnings of a Galactic Conflict that tears it apart, which is put into action by the Sith.
Nope, nothing here of worth.
It's your opinion, man, but TPM is far more realistic in depiction conflicts on the battlefield and off.
>>64735280
good retort
>>64735267
watch the scene again, she knows what shes doing. shes a perfect, flawless character. like the scene with han and the blaster, she gives him a "are you serious" look that makes everyone know shes a stronk woman and doesnt need no help
>>64735313
how exactly did she bond with han? she constantly acts like a stuck up bitch to him. when he passes her the blaster shes like "lol i can take care of myself fuccboi". the movie is so rushed that there is no scene where we see that she bonding with han. all we got was "oh youre han solo!" and "i bypassed the compressor!" and "i need some crewmates want a job?". nothing states that theyre bonding
>>64735394
it has to do with coherency because nothing makes sense. the characters are doing things that dont make sense considering them. why the fuck did the resistance send only 3 guys down on the falcon when one was an old smuggler and the other was an imperial defector? fuck finn might be a spy dont send him down! also why is leia hugging rey at the end instead of chewie? why can rey pilot the falcon? why is finn ok with shooting troopers? how did poe escape? why did r2 wake up?
Prequels were shit but Maul would have 1v1 this nigga i a few second, even without wookie blaster hit.
Dude just can saber fight.
>basing the entire backstory on a single movie
>when the original trilogy took 3 movies to show the full history of Luke and Vader
Also, while Plinkett is entertaining and all, I wish people stop using his ideas as a scientific barometer.
That is like treating TV Tropes seriously. Stop.
Why do all the criticisms of this movie come down to the "Rey is a mary sue" meme? It's fucking retarded.
Personally, while I liked the movie a lot, I thought the pacing was too frantic. The movie was too eager to jump from place to place and never have anything that could be perceived as a "dull moment". Besides a few moments on Jakku, there wasn't much time spent on establishing the worlds or the overall setting.
I mean, we barely know what the fuck the Republic is. Seeing those Republic planets get blown up was just confusing to me. "Oh, that just happened." We don't need prequel-tier longass boring political scenes, but some well-crafted exposition here and there would be nice. At least something on the level of the Death Star scenes in A New Hope.
>>64735373
I still think the prequels are shit, but TFA made me appreciate them for the effort. Lucas really tried to expand the universe and make it more grandiose. Fucking Abrams made a shitty "soft reboot"
>>64735464
>Luke gets bailed out by Han and Obi-won on the death star run.
EVERYONE LIKES HIM HES A MARY SUE RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
> is also pretty much a garage grease monkey who pilots his own small craft in the film
According to nothing other than one retroactive line of dialogue. He's a moisture farmer.
> at least it holds better than a scrap collector being an ace.
Wasn't an ace. Crashed repeatedly going through the learning curve in a new ship. Didn't save the day at the end with her pilot abilities.
>Go ahead and defend the shit writing, by saying cry more. it's the one thing you've been good at
One of the best written star wars films. Better written than Star Wars. Cry about it faggoo.
>>64735514
It's literally part of the same scene
Tearing up consoles doesn't show he's unstable, just that he has a temper. Kylo doesn't do any of the 'p-please snoke give me another chance' or crying in front of his dad until after that point
>>64735557
It's kind of hard to not use a "Plinkett argument" because Mike "Myklon B" Stoklasa touched on literally every concievable problem with those movies. His review was fucking 70 minutes long.
>>64735547
>there is no scene where we see that she bonding with han
There is a scene where she copilots the falcon and they work out issues together, plus han straight out offers her a spot on the falcon. Pay attention
>>64735547
>how did poe escape?
Come on, they explicitly explain this in the movie when finn first reunites with Poe. pay attention before talking shit
>>64735646
>hans low on crew and he needs new blood so offers her a job
>she literally fixes the falcon and tells han how to fly it
how is that bonding?
>>64735676
uh no they didnt explain that shit you fuck. poe says something akin to "thats a story for another time". nothing is explained
>>64735597
>Lucas
More like the talented art team.
Lucas' writing had nothing to do with it. Ultimately the prequels were just about getting Anakin in the Darth Vader suit, everything else was just a means to an end, window dressing.
>>64726464
I hated that movie too but you have to admit you cared a little about Kylo Ren
>>64735757
>>64735757
only one i cared about was hux. he had the only clear concise goal. like sheev
>>64730264
this
>>64726464
>Whats the 'internalisation' of their actions?
literally EVERYONE but rey and finn were looking for luke skywalker. they get thrust into the story and pick a side due to their actions and find themselves in the middle of something bigger.
