A question for prequel hating neckbeards who actually think Plinkett is a good critic:
When Richard Brody at the New Yorker and the respected commentator Camile Paglia praise the prequels, are they just memeing too? When will you recognise that the tide has turned and George Lucas is finally receiving the praise he's always deserved?
Richard Brody literally doesn't care about star wars and is just praising the prequels for clickbait
>>64705692
There's also a million critics that don't like them. If you desperately need a critic to validate your opinion, and think someone's opinion somehow proves something, you are just as bad as the people who bash the prequels because of plinkett. That being said, in my opinion the prequels are horrendously bad, and I don't need plinkett to tell me that.
>>64705756
He watched them recently, I'm perfectly willing to take an established critic's opinion at face value when it's called an opinion piece in the first place.
Besides, it's also an opinion piece without decades of emotional baggage behind it, unlike other people who write about Star Wars.
>>64705692
try harder kiddo, this is /v/ level bait
If the prequels aren't your favorite Star Wars movies you have reddit opinions and need to leave /tv/
>>64705884
OP is right though
The prequels really aren't that bad
>>64705899
now THIS is baiting
>>64705940
that's a horribly generic statement, trying so hard to be bait but failing miserably
again, at this point I'd say spend a couple of weeks on /v/. over there you really see this kind of bait being overused, so you can hone your craft
>>64705841
People finally feel safe enough to admit they like the prequels and want to talk about them, and the old guard of bitter, aging nerds come in shouting that they are memeing.
Those prequel fans find respected critics that actually agree with them, and they get smug, intellectually oppressive posts like this.
There's no winning against this sort of groupthink.
>>64705996
b8, fuck off tripfag
>>64705996
I always forget to clean the name field...retard
>>64705996
Are you of the opinion that if you regurgitate enough memes, then you will win any argument?
>>64705996
Back to /v/eddit
>>64705841
I don't care about the opinions of critics. I'm pointing out that the common accusation thrown around by the Redditors - that true aesthetes who "get" the prequels are just memeing - is obvious nonsense.
>>64705692
if you're talking about that new yorker article that was about how "george ain't called no artist til some gangsta copped he style" then it didn't even praise the prequels beyond calling them deeply flawed but uniquely george visions
>>64705692
It's not surprising that the same people who attack the prequels are always unversed in real film or anything artistic, and that the people who praise the prequels (Zizek, Paglia and Brody) are always literate, educated, and versed in real film.
The fact that everyone points to Plinkett as the authority on why the prequels are bad speaks volumes. Mike Stoklasa is one of the least artistic people on the planet - he can't process movies outside of the conventions of Hollywood films, his approach to narrative is tempered with the same surface-level requisites listed on tvtropes.
Any complaint that people have about the prequels illustrates a weak grasp on film. Their sensibilities for 'good dialogue' in what is intentionally pulp comes from bad pulp, ie, the original Star Wars, the only pulp they've ever seen. They would similarly view any homage-driven art film and miss the entire point.
Lucas' only mistake in the prequels was doing something daring, original, artistic and literate, not realizing that the manchildren conditioned by the original SW trilogy to loathe anything cerebral would lash out against his cinematic risks.
>>64705841
Initial critical reception of The Phantom Menace was positive. Roger Ebert gave it a flawless review.
'Lucas is a hack' became a cliche because manchildren who were obsessed with the original films - which are kids films - couldn't handle Lucas' new, more mature direction and repeated the lie endlessly to the point that it entered the cultural consciousness. Those people will burn in Hell for what they selfishly did to George.
>>64706023
Lucas knows that the medium is the message, and has positioned Lucasfilm as the Empire, in a battle against the rebel pirates that distribute unaltered bootlegs of the original films. The highest level of Star Wars fans reject the expanded universe wholesale, don't buy merchandise, and in fact must actively attack Lucasfilm - and now Disney. What are commonly held as the main tenets of Star Wars fandom are actually evidence that the point has been lost. This is why Lucas produced the prequels as satirical tales of stupid, ineffectual liberals playing at being the heroes in a videogame-universe before being crushed by the machine they helped create.
Legions of dudes with plastic lightsabres play at being Jedi, but treat the force as a vulgar mechanism and show no care for the original films' revolutionary politics. Nerds get angry at midichlorians because they utterly devastate the logic of wookiepedia, by taking it to its natural conclusion. Phantom Menace's midichlorians prefigure Prometheus' essential contrast between positive knowledge and authentic belief. The prequels are anti-fandom, and anti-fandom is the heart of Star Wars.
>>64705996
>/v/ is worse than /tv/
How can one person be this delusional.
How can this entire board actually think that it's better than /v/
>>64706569
/tv/ never had a gamergate or a shitfit that resulted in cripplechan
>>64706450
fuck off memester, Phantom Menace is an abomination and on top of that it's painfully boring
>>64705692
It's all opinion, man. When I post on /tv/ that the prequels are awful, awful, fucking awful movies, that is of course my opinion. When I say they're an unnecessary cash grab, lazily shot in hopelessly sterile CGI environments with no passion or spark of creativity, that is of course my opinion. When I say the actors are struggling to perform with painfully wooden dialogue in a story that not only makes no sense but can't even get you involved on any emotional level, that's of course my opinion. When I say you're probably a fucking retard for enjoying these soulless pieces of trash, that's my opinion. But you should have your own opinion
>>64706764
Let's see your reasons why TPM is bad:
>Phantom Menace is an abomination and on top of that it's painfully boring
which really means
>Phantom Menace is [bad] and on top of that it's painfully [bad]
which is hardly an explanation, but a tautology.
prequels are alright, but it doesn't change the fact that georgie boy fucked up the OT with his special editions
>>64706032
>tripfag
>he thinks this is the meaning of that word
oh boy oh boy
>>64706066
try harder
>>64706569
well, sometimes people actually talk about movies and tv here, I know it's rare, but /v/ is a sewer. Just the worst. I used to go there for some kinds of threads, but even the decent ones are just copy pasted again and again
>>64706790
EVERY single opinion that you hold is veering awfully close to objectively wrong.
>>64706810
well, yeah, if you replace one of 2 different words with the same as the first one, it becomes redundant. that's kinda why it's retarded to begin with.
>>64706836
stop
>>64706790
Are you Vincent Canby circa 1980?
>I'm not as bothered by the film's lack of resolution as I am about my suspicion that I really don't care. After one has one's fill of the special effects and after one identifies the source of the facetious banter that passes for wit between Han Solo and Leia (it's straight out of B-picture comedies of the 30's), there isn't a great deal for the eye or the mind to focus on. Ford, as cheerfully nondescript as one could wish a comic strip hero to be, and Miss Fisher, as sexlessly pretty as the base of a porcelain lamp, become (is it rude to say?) tiresome. One finally looks around them, even through them, at the decor.
Perhaps these are criticisms that could be leveled quite plausibly at all of the Star Wars films, even at their time of initial release, and it is in fact not really Star Wars that has changed, but rather the general cultural appetite for such things? It just seems to me a bit like special pleading to suppose that when Canby wrote this back in 1980, the explanation is that he simply didn't "get" Star Wars--but that when prequel critics write nearly identical things about the prequels decades later, it's because they "get" Star Wars even better than GL does himself.
I think a much simpler explanation is that Lucas stayed more-or-less the same and made more-or-less the same kinds of movies with more-or-less the same charms and flaws, while the greater culture evolved to align itself more with the sensibilities of people like 1980's Vincent Canby. I think this is a more reasonable explanation, because in my experience culture tends to change more than individual people tend to change. And it just seems to explain everything so well, without accusing anyone of being unintelligent or of lacking proper taste.
>>64706843
>actors are struggling to perform with painfully wooden dialogue
>"I don't like sand. It's course, and irritating... and it gets everywhere."
>objectively wrong
Why are prequel fans literally retarded?
>>64705692
>prequel hating neckbeards
I'll take "things OP was a month ago before jumping on the contrarian bandwagon" for 600, Alex.
>>64706836
/v/ actually talks more about video games than /tv/ talks about movies or television.
Both are as cancerous.
The internet as a whole is stage 3 cancer.
>>64706790
As Plato explains in Books V and VI of the Πολιτεία, those who think all things to be mere matters of opinion are the most likely to be hoodwinked by the false utterances of the sophists. You have fallen hook, line, and sinker, for the lies of Mr Plinkett - the biggest sophist going.
>>64706876
If this were true, you would be able to post something substantiating your claims.
>>64706882
>he actually copied the name field and now he's me-fagging.
I take my hat off to you, you're really dedicated to.....what is this exactly...getting replies I guess?
>>64706985
really rarely though, here it's more people being elitists as a defense mechanism, but there's some discussion going. over there it's just mayhem, or maybe it got better since I left, it was bad. I agree that theyre both cancerous though
>>64706941
>Han Solo: That's a good story. I just think you can't bear to let a gorgeous guy like me out of your sight.
>Princess Leia Organa: I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain.
>[Chewbacca laughs amusingly]
>Han Solo: Laugh it up, fuzzball! [To Luke] You didn't see us alone in the south passage. She expressed her true feelings for me.
>Princess Leia Organa: What? [annoyed] Why, you stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking... nerf-herder!
>Han Solo: [in mock offense] Who's scruffy looking? [To Luke] Must have hit it pretty close to the mark to get her all riled up like that, huh, kid?
>Princess Leia Organa: Well, I guess you don't know everything about women yet. [suddenly kisses Luke in front of Han]
Yeah, the prequels had bad dialogue. Just the prequels. Yes, sir.
>>64706876
The prequels, like the original films, are only as boring as you make them. In order to 'save' Star Wars, you yourself need to become interesting.
>>64706941
>>objectively wrong
>didn't read my post
ok bud
>>64707000
not my claims, saw your post while reading and thought it was dumb, sorry
>>64705692
Do you get a microerection every one of the 15 times you post this kind of shit every day?
How hard did you have to dig for someone praising the Star Wars prequels?
Are you this anal retentive in real life?
Are you missing some part of your brain that prevents you from detecting when a movie doesn't work?
Does broken, detached dialogue make you moist?
Please respond.
>>64707080
>Please respond.
no
>>64706997
Try and prove that a film can be objectively good or bad.
>>64707062
you need some factual statement to link your claim to the prequels, otherwise it's just a vague thing you could say about any movie
>>64707080
no
>>64706810
The characters are dull and underdeveloped, Obi Wan is literally a blank slate, Qui Gon supposed to be the wise man but comes off as a senile coot, fan favourite Darth Maul is a typical "lol teleports behind u" edgemaster with the dryest delivery ever, Anakin is fuckawful, the dialogue is abysmal, the CGI horrendously overused. The plot is also full of tedious political babble and asspulls galore aka "midichlorians". What bothers me is that Anakin was never ment to be Super Sayian level 3 Hulk Jesus like the movie made him out to be. Fuck off Lucas and fuck your continuity. And fuck Natalie Portman she is fucking terrible too. Actually everyone except Sheev is fucking terrible.
>>64707058
>[Chewbacca laughs amusingly]
>>64705877
But you need to rely on someone else's opinion to validate your like of these movies. You're no better than the strawmen you accuse of just parroting stoklasa's opinions. You can't come up with any valid arguments in their favor because you have none.
You do this to go against the perceived norm and to feel like a special snowflake, not because you honestly believe those movies were worth watching.
You've afflicted this board with your brain damage for long enough, don't you think?
>>64707149
>(incorrect) opinions
wow great refutation
>>64707110
Posts on 4chan have size limits. I do not have the resource here to prove this to you. I suggest you begin reading the ancient authors immediately to correct your naive relativism. You've been bamboozled, bud.
>>64707184
>You do this to go against the perceived norm and to feel like a special snowflake, not because you honestly believe those movies were worth watching.
Most ignorant post of the year.
>hurr people can't like good movies
>>64707058
Missing the point entirely. I'll be the first to admit both films have clunky dialogue
>>64707065
I read your post I just couldn't be bothered to write 'veering awfully close to objectively wrong' when the point I was making was clear regardless (or not, apparently)
>>64707185
Name me some defining chracteristics of Obi Wan, Amidala or Qui Gon that doesn't involve general terms that can't be applied to any Gary Stu from a weeb cartoon for boys.
I honestly don't care what critics think: my own opinion is the only that matters. If Brody ranks X highly, good for him; it bears nothing on my outlook.
>>64707149
Ok, let's begin.
>Obi Wan is literally a blank slate
Obiwan's inconsistent/hypocritical behaviour stems from the fact that he was taught by both Yoda and Quigon. Now he's trying to reconcile their contradictory lessons.
Obiwan believes there is no such thing as truth. There is only plurality of (cultural) viewpoints, and none is necessarily better than any other. This is what allows him to ignore injustice that's right in front of him - because, you know, who is he to question how a certain culture does things? But the Force - as described by Obiwan - is bullshit. That's the whole point of having Obiwan die: the Jedi can't win. Their role in the universe is to inspire people and then fade away. So: “hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.” Lucas proves this point when he has Obiwan kill Grievous with a blaster - out of desperation, because he lost against a cyborg who wasn't even 'force sensitive'.
It's Obiwan who goes off on the whole Jedi Detective adventure where he fights bounty hunters and whatnot, because Anakin wants to stay with Padme. When Obiwan jumps out the window, Anakin is focused on protecting Padme, and he stays behind long enough for her guards to arrive. In Episode III Anakin actually tells Obi-Wan to be patient in a dialogue scene and Obi-Wan freaks. Obi-Wan was always the impulsive one. With Obiwan, the "you were the chosen one!" is his too-late realization that they should never have been 'Master' and 'Apprentice' but brothers. Yet, at the same time, it betrays Obiwan's misunderstanding of the prophecy and his unwillingness to accept responsibility for what went wrong.
>>64707212
>Most ignorant post of the year.
Then come up with something better than an argument from authority, you fucking braindead pustule. Stop posting like a retard and get out of my board.
>>64707233
>Can't
Can*
>>64707255
>Quigon is a senile old coot
The Jedi believe in the 'chosen one' prophecy; Jedi-ism is a messianic religion. However, Quigon is the only one who endeavors to make the prophecy come true. Yoda and the others are concerned with maintaining the status quo:
Yoda: The Chosen One, the boy may be. Nevertheless, grave danger, I fear in his training.
This is Yoda literally admitting that this kid might be Jesus Christ but nonetheless rejecting him - because Jedi indoctrination techniques tend to cause older kids to bug out. Yoda knows that all too well, because he's been in charge of that department for decades. And he's not wrong: Anakin is old enough to have vivid memories of of his mother/Padme, which are ultimately the source of his authoritarian streak.
Quigon, of course, doesn't care about any of that. He's a full-on fundamentalist who believes the existence of God can be scientifically proven. He believes he's directly enacting God's will - and, therefore, he deliberately manipulates the dice in order to take Anakin from his mother and make him into a warrior. Consequences be damned.
And Quigon is also not wrong either, in a sense - because tearing Anakin from his mother is precisely what caused him to eventually become Vader. The 'Chosen One' prophecy was self-fulfilling.
>>64707296
>Darth Maul is a typical "lol teleports behind u" edgemaster with the dryest delivery ever
Don't even have to try on this one. Darth Maul never teleports, and has one or two lines. Next!
>>64707233
>Literally taking arguments directly from Supreme Leader Plinkett
rio jej
>>64705841
Hello Reddit!
>>64707296
This poor thing is copypasting a Plinkett dissertation posted years ago. Watch out, it's like 100 pages long.
Seriously, how desperate do you need to be to get your opinions from some retard with a blog?
>>64707255
>>64707296
>>64707347
>there are actual autists on /tv/ trying to justify these shitshows with their own pseudo-intellecual interpretations
>>64707149
Obi-Wan is young and naive, fully believing in the virtues of the Jedi Order and the Republic.
What made Qui-Gon a senile coot?
>Darth Maul is a typical "lol teleports behind u" edgemaster
No
>dryest delivery ever
yes
Anakin is literally autistic.
>tedious
>opinions
or
>I'm too stupid to follow a simple plot
How are midichlorians an asspull and what did they ruin?
>>64707347
>Anakin is fuckawful, the dialogue is abysmal,
I'd like a dialogue scene now, tying in with my Obi-Wan stuff earlier. So, let's look at the dialogue in the speeder chase:
Obiwan: What took you so long?!
Anakin: Oh you know, Master. I couldn't find a speeder that I really liked...
Obiwan: There he is!
Anakin: ...with an open cockpit, and the right speed capabilities...
Obiwan: If you'd spend as much time practicing your saber techniques as you do your wit, you would rival Master Yoda as a swordsman.
Anakin: I thought I already did.
Obiwan: Only in your mind, my very young apprentice.
[Anakin points the speeder straight down, and starts accelerating towards a building.]
Obiwan: Pull up Anakin! Pull up!
[Anakin laughs at Obiwan, and ramps the car off the building's roof.]
Obiwan: You know I don't like it when you do that.
Anakin: Sorry, Master. I forgot you don't like flying.
Obiwan: I don't mind flying, but what you're doing is suicide! [foreshadowing]
This is, again, extremely good writing that fans just tuned out. Obiwan is the one single-mindedly focused on the mission, complaining that Anakin isn't taking things seriously ("What took you so long?! There he is!"). Anakin's pissed, and his 'joke' about finding a cool car is bitter sarcasm that means "fuck off, I know what I'm doing." Obiwan insults him, and then Anakin endangers them both just to assert his power. This entire 'comical' exchange is bubbling with animosity.
So, we get a sense of the characters: Anakin is not reckless. He's (trying to be) cool, confident, and authoritative - because he sees Obiwan as lame, fearful, and bossy.
Anakin doing this stuff - taking his time, and cracking jokes - because he's self-assured. He's trying to piss Obiwan off, because why should he have to listen to this scared little guy? Anakin already knows he's the stronger one. Obiwan is a terrible at being an authority figure.
reminder
>>64707390
Hello, Wookipedia!
>>64707401
Post your interpretation. This is where you prove how smart you are by posting your interpretation.
>>64707400
Incorrect. Try finding any of my words in that thing; they won't be in there?
Incidentally, why is that long "disseration" bad on its length alone but Plinkett's even longer video reviews a-OK?
>>64705692
prequels are horrible. fuck you memester contrarian faggot
>>64707201
Simple logic and reasoning would lead to the conclusion that there is no objectivity in any art form. The modern and working definition of art as we understand it today is "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination ... producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power." The emotional resonance of that art has is dependent on the person or people observing it.
Why am I even replying to this
>>64706975
Hello reddit!
>>64707415
>the CGI horrendously overused
Do you remember that gif on reddit a few days back of Jedis in a huge bluescreen room? It's like, ha ha, they're flailing at nothing!
But the finished scene looks like this:
By removing the context, it makes it look like bad sword-fighting, when the characters are not in a sword-fight at all. They're blocking random projectiles coming in from all directions. The gif also obscures the basic geometric relationship between the jedi and the droids: the jedi are in a circle, creating a wall. So though each character is moving 'randomly' (because the attacks from outside are random), there's a clear, unified plan. The actors were obviously told that they have to act as though they're surrounded and being peppered with random projectiles. And they are. This whole sequence would have been heavily storyboarded.
>>64707410
>How are midichlorians an asspull and what did they ruin?
You don't need this explained to you, you're avoiding the discussion altogether. You're simply not up for this.
>>64707415
>This is, again, extremely good writing
See, posting delusional bullshit isn't helping your case. Go have your mental breakdown elsewhere, and stop bothering people.
>>64707415
>This is, again, extremely good writing
no, it's unnatural stilted and forces dumb ideas into bad spots
"i don't like it when you do that"
when he does what, ramps speeders off roofs? this is commonly happening? ...really?
>>64707523
Are you familiar with the teachings of an Aristotle or a Kant? Or a Schiller? Have you ever studied aesthetics for any meaningful period of time, or are you just memeing like you've been memeing that Plinkett isn't a total retard?
>>64707523
Hello Reddit!
>>64707489
Plinkett's reviews analyse the prequels from a filmmaking standpoint. The dissertation is composed of knee-jerk reactions to the aforementioned analysis, and not based even remotely on the movies themselves.
You can't review a movie by proxy. Sorry, champ, you lost this argument the instant those movies came out terrible.
>>64707511
>contrarian
There's that word again. Not everyone has an ulterior motive to like or dislike something, stop projecting.
>>64707557
>The plot is also full of tedious political babble
I'm going to repost something I've posted here before. Let's look very briefly at the script:
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-W...tom-Menace.html
Mentions of....
Trade route(s): 2
Embargo(es): 0
Tax(es)/taxation: 2
Regardless, the bulk of the movie's actual content has nothing to do with those things. It's about lightsaber battles and podraces and spaceships exploding. A New Hope is about an armored space station which was built to do away with the civil bureaucracy and put local governors directly in charge of various territorial jurisdictions as a means to greater consolidate power within the central government. To say that the bulk of the movie's story revolves around this political intrigue would be 100% accurate, but also incredibly misleading.
In fact, the opening of TPM involves the characters expecting to do boring diplomatic stuff, but then we almost-immediately see diplomats getting assassinated and a full-on robot invasion.
"I understand it but I just find it boring" is something I've seen posted, on /tv/, about 2001: A Space Odyssey. It's as invalid there as it is here.
>>64705692
>prequel hating neckbeards
The Prequels main audience is neckbeards that care nothing about story and only care about le epig lightsaber duels.
>>64707557
The compositing looks like a gamecube game. Why do you do this to yourself? Are you the same idiot who pretends Man of Steel wasn't a terrible movie?
>>64707560
Midichlorians are not actually an effective mechanism for measuring force-sensitivity. You are such a poor reader of texts. The entire concept is a satire on positivistic scientism and you are too unsophisticated to understand that its inclusion in the film is a critique of the technocratic excesses of the Old Republic and Jedi Order. This feeds into the prequel trilogy's overarching commentary on the fall of the Weimar constitutional liberalism.
>>64707671
>midichlorians
With the midichlorians (and showing the 'actual' Clone War, and showing the 'actual' Jedi Order, etc.) the prequels confront fans with their desire, fully materialized in a horrifically literal fashion. The point is to break them away from the fantasy of total knowledge and (hopefully) spur them towards authentic appreciation of the original films as pop mythology.
The true lesson of the midichlorians is that Qui-Gon is a shitty Jedi and that the true path of the Jedi is in belief in the force, not in vulgar knowledge of it. The message to fans is, likewise, that Wookiepedia is garbage and anathema to what Star Wars is actually about.
>>64707557
>Do you remember that gif on reddit
can you fuck off back there now? thanks
>Richard Brody
>Camile Paglia
Literally never heard of them. Why would I care about their opinions?
Miss me yet?
>>64707736
>Anakin is superpowered, etc.
No he's not. The only true superpowered dudes are in the 2D cartoon everyone professes to love. But the refrain that the movies should be more like the cartoon basically says that the cartoon isn't satisfactory. The cartoon isn't good enough to stand alone.
I can't believe I'm finally saying it, but after rewatching every episode in the order of its original release, Episode II is the best one. I thought it was a meme but its not
>>64707671
And you're trying too hard with your trolling, comparing the phantom menace to 2001. The entire plot revolves around an embargo, and the main characters attempting to escape it.
>>64706450
I walked out of the theater in 1999 trying to convince myself the movie was good. Later, I tried to convince myself it seemed bad because it was just setting the groundwork for the next two. When AOTC came out, I tried to rationalize that it was at least better than TPM, and that the third movie was all that really mattered. After ROTS, I gave up on Star Wars. I wasnt even excited when a seventh movie was announced. Instead, I had a feeling if dread. After seeing TFA, I feel it does not give the same sense of wonder of the original trilogy, but it is an entertaining movie on its own and is light years better than the prequels.
>>64707721
Gave yourself up, try to be more subtle next time.
>>64707706
Here is what an actual Star Wars video game of that time (KOTOR 2, from a few years LATER, to give you the benefit of the doubt) actually looks like:
See if you can spot the differences.
>>64707788
Go have a stroke, Jorge. Look at the generation of garbage people you created with your prequels.
>>64707804
The word "embargo" is spoken zero times in the movie. Why do you say that? Actual evidence will prove this isn't true, and already has.
>>64707557
>Do you remember that gif on reddit
Jesus, they're not even trying to hide it anymore.
>>64707796
>I can't believe I'm finally saying it
I can't believe you haven't died from eating paint chips yet.
>>64707742
>>64707915
The gif was posted here, and it was repeatedly identified as "Reddit" here. It's not hard.
>>64707887
The words "Star Wars" are spoken zero times in any of the movies, I guess the whole series is a lie.
>>64707961
Fuck off reddit scum.
>>64707973
You know this is specious.
>>64707858
That image has altered contrast and the game engine wasn't exactly renowned for its visuals. KotOR II's strength was in its writing, which ironically was much better than the prequels.
Here's a screenshot of a Star Wars game from 2001: Rogue Squadron II
>>64708017
People are not "of" any website.
>>64707887
>Why do you say that?
Because there was a fucking ship blockade around the entire planet, due to trade route disputes? Did your brain die?
>>64708068
I said fuck off underaged redditor. Go post recycled memes back on your shit site and stop coming here, we don't want you.
>>64707557
What cave drawing is this?
If you don't praise the prequels you WILL be culled by the great anti-Reddit Inquisition of May 2016.
>>64708170
Hello, reddit! Enjoying your first day on 4chan?
>>64705692
Obvious bait kill yourself
>>64706450
>Roger Ebert gave it a flawless review.
Roger Ebert was also borderline retarded
>>64705841
>you are just as bad as the people who bash the prequels because of plinkett.
This pro-prequel nonsense again
If you bash prequels because Plinkett actually made good points regarding how poorly they were written, shot, directed, designed, and basically how every aspect of them is fucking garbage, you are not bashing them *because* of him, you are agreeing with his assessment of WHY they are garbage.
>>64705692
I disliked the prequels before I ever saw "Plinkett," those reviews didn't change my opinions that much. For example when I saw episode I at 9 years old I still thought jar jar binks was unfunny. The "it's for kids!" excuse is just that - an excuse for failure to engage the audience.
>>64706997
thank you based Plato
>>64708170
Shut up and fuck off and die, this place can't handle not spouting the same memes every 3 seconds. Someone's going to respond to me with hello reddit, hey reddit, some variation
>>64706506
Go home marshall mcluhan
>>64706939
>Lucas stayed more-or-less the same and made more-or-less the same kinds of movies with more-or-less the same charms and flaws
I mean as a whole I agree with your overarching point, but there are some definitely differences, the prequels were more fantasy movies in space with a huge emphasis on the adventure of it all, whereas the prequels were a lot more politically focused and action-y. I don't think that's inherently a worse kind of movie or anything, but they have a very different feel and I think, more than anything, that's what people dislike.
>>64707058
but this is good
>>64706032
But he wasn't using a trip. Just a name.
>>64707296
>This is Yoda literally admitting that this kid might be Jesus Christ but nonetheless rejecting him - because Jedi indoctrination techniques tend to cause older kids to bug out.
Nonsense. He rejects him because he sense grave danger in his training.
>>64706450
>Roger Ebert gave it a flawless review.
3.5 out of 4 is flawless now?
He gave exasperated praise but it was hardly flawless.
>>64708843
When you make a film that gets 3.5/4 from a Pulitzer Prize winning critic, then you can criticise Mr Lucas.
>>64707255
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT.
Do you honestly think any of that informed Lucas's script rather than being a post-hoc ass pull by an obvious autsit.
>>64708905
>le you can't criticize something unless you make something better meme
Dumbest shit ever yet people keep saying it.
What if you go to a haughty restaurant and are served a literal piece of cat shit on a plate and when you refuse it, your date says "Hey when you become a chef in a 5 star restaurant then you can criticize the food!" It's just fucking asinine.
>>64707432
None of the Lucas pictures show him holding a cup of coffee in front of a green screen though. Why did you leave that out?
>>64708979
Have you ever heard George Lucas speak? He's a highly educated and thoughtful man. He's currently making avant garde films that you will never see.
>>64708905
When you learn reading comprehension, then you can criticise me.
>>64709010
Five star restaurants do not serve cat shit though. Your hypothetical is meaningless and evades the point entirely.
>>64709067
>avant garde films
I saw Red Tails, does that count?
>>64709067
>that you will never see.
I wish he had kept Red Tails under lock and key too.
>>64709067
>Have you ever heard George Lucas speak?
Yes, he appears to be highly weird and autistic.
>>64709107
The movie is the cat shit you dumb autist.
>>64709150
Hello Reddit!
>>64708547
sup reddit
>>64705692
Fans of the originals were disappointed by the prequels but still liked many elements of them... until the Plinkett reviews made it fashionable to tear them apart. Now prequel haters universally share Plinkett's opinions because RLM put those ideas in their heads. Many of those ideas are biased nonsense but people think they agree with them and go off repeating them.
The prequels were made for all ages and not just the existing fanbase. The "love" stuff in cringy, casting a child actor was a mistake, Jar-Jar is annoying, some of the dialogue is terrible... But they're not bad movies. And millenials saw them as kids and liked them a lot and still do.
Simple fact is that the prequels take a stronger mind and an appreciation of Shakespearean style to be enjoyed...many today have to have split second satisfaction and TFA satisfied that mindset, you can see this in TFA's editing which jumps from shot to shot at an ADHD style pace...it approaches storytelling and character building at the same frenetic pace, so scared of genuine engagement that it can't focus on a face for more than half a second, so scared of storytelling and world building it simply throws new names on old entities and leaves it at that. Substance less schlock. The prequels are flawed but engage with serious artistic meaning, far more than the weak numale mind of Abrams is capable of
Has anyone ever watched all of the prequels at once? Presumably while drunk?
>Giving a sweet hot fuck what Camile Paglia thinks about fucking ANYTHING
>>64710889
Feminist detected.
>>64710456
I have but i wasnt drunk, why?
film "critics" are a fucking joke
>>64708547
Hello, digg.com!
>>64709501
>Fans of the originals were disappointed by the prequels but still liked many elements of them... until the Plinkett reviews made it fashionable to tear them apart.
And you can't defend those pieces of garbage without resorting to the plinkett reviews. It's pathetic.
>the prequels were good because uhmm... hi redit and uh... you're just parroting plinkett
Fantastic film analysis right there, you just changed my mind, you brain-damaged cocksnot.
>>64708843
For a long-time professional critic like Ebert to give The Phantom Menace a 3.5/4.0 rating just goes to show that Ebert cannot be fully trusted in all of his reviews. For whatever reasons, the man did have his blind spots.
There is no way in hell TPM rates 3.5/4.0. Ebert rated TPM equal to Total Recall (the original), which was a far, far more entertaining and better movie than TPM.
At best, TPM rates a 2/4 if we assume 2/4 is equivalent to a C letter grade (average.)
>>64706219
>Zizek
fuq off m8
>>64705692
Being a good critic doesn't automatically make you right. Everyone has opinions and movies are subjective. He's as right as you choose to believe.
When idiots can be right from time to time.
Plinkett isn't an actual person, but a personification of people's nerd rage. I'd say don't take it seriously, but he IS right.
>>64707058
>Yeah, the prequels had bad dialogue. Just the prequels. Yes, sir.
Let's parse this, line by line.
>>Han Solo: That's a good story. I just think you can't bear to let a gorgeous guy like me out of your sight.
Han Solo is a smug, arrogant, rebel. The above line is quite natural and is something a person with Solo's personality traits would say.
>>Princess Leia Organa: I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain.
Leia is an independent woman. The above line is also natural for a person with such personality traits to say. The "laser brain" put-down is unnatural but could be considered natural in a world such as Star Wars.
>>[Chewbacca laughs amusingly]
Chewbacca has evidently been associated with Solo for a long time and knows Solo's M.O. His laughing is entirely natural as he is tickled by the fact that Leia is calling Solo on his bull shit.
>>Han Solo: Laugh it up, fuzzball! [To Luke] You didn't see us alone in the south passage. She expressed her true feelings for me.
Again, Solo is like the jock in high school who claims he had sex with lots of women and who also thinks that all of the cheerleaders want to have sex with him. When presented with conflicting information, he concoct a lie to counter the truth. Dialog seems quite natural.
>>Princess Leia Organa: What? [annoyed] Why, you stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking... nerf-herder!
Natural reaction on the part of Leia. Her insults are stilted, though. This could be the result of bad writing, limitations of a PG rating, or an attempt on the writers to imagine what insults would be like in a society like Star Wars. If most of ESB had lines similar to this, we'd be ripping on ESB as we do the prequels.
>>Han Solo: [in mock offense] Who's scruffy looking? [To Luke] Must have hit it pretty close to the mark to get her all riled up like that, huh, kid?
Running out of space but this is also natural. Solo is a good reader of people.
>>64706450
>jar jar binks
>mature
>>64705692
It is time to kill the "Prequels are good" meme.
If you really don't understand why the prequels are garbage, you have autism.
If you're just meme-ing, you have autism.
If you're just pretending to have autism on the internet, you have autism.
>>64712147
You contrarians are bending over backwards to defend the prequels. I'd feel sorry for you if it wasn't so damn funny to watch.
>>64707786
You don't. They're academics in all but name and are totally out of touch with reality.
Don't let the fancy degrees and fancy job titles deceive you. Most, if not all, of what they say is balderdash.
>>64712755
>DUDE JAR JAR BINKS LMAO
fucking child, think for once in your God forsaken life
>>64712773
try all you want, but you have no power here
>>64712693
Hello Reddit!
OP is a faggot
>>64712971
Same to you Reddit
>>64712971
You're suggesting Jar jar is mature? A step forward from the original trilogy?
>>64707447
Hello, 4chan
>>64713172
You're suggesting the original trilogy was mature? Are you autistic?
>>64713172
He's slightly annoying and for sure comedic relief and was in the movie for kids, but he's just as bad as C3PO in the original trilogy.
>>64712806
??? I am not defending the prequels. I was showing the Ebert giving a film 3.5/4.0 stars does not mean that the film is good.
I'll admit that I was very generous saying that TPM would rate at best 2/4 stars. If I were to give TPM a letter grade, it would be a D or D-, or in star parlance, 1/4.
I wouldn't give it an F (0/4) because the production values were good and it did have a somewhat understandable story.
But the acting, pacing, and use of racial stereotypes was just terrible.
I recently watched part of TPM again and saw the scene where Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan meet Jar-Jar. When Qui-Gon saves Jar-Jar, Jar-Jar says he is Qui-Gon's servant or something like that. When Qui-Gon saves Jar-Jar again, Jar-Jar says he is now Qui-Gon's servant twice over.
With the Step-n-Fetch-It language Jar-Jar uses, he might as well have said, "Wen yousa first saved me, meesa your house nigger! Now yousa save me second time, massa, meesa your field nigger!"
Terrible. Just terrible.
>>64713233
no they were a light hearted adventure for viewers of all ages. jar jar binks is there so literal children don't get bored
>>64713286
>he's just as bad as C3PO in the original trilogy
Jesus christ the kind of shit I have to read in this website
/tv/ before TFA:
>prequels are trash!
>bravo Lucas
>lel RLM so based
>can only mean one thing!
>unlimited powahhh
>basically nonstop prequel memes and bashing and RLM ass-sucking
After /tv/ got BTFO over TFA:
>th-the prequels are great!
>RLM sucks, fucking hacks
>prequel haters don't understand film
>nonstop prequel ass-sucking
If you ever needed evidence of what /tv/ is all about, the past few months have provided all you need
>>64713286
>>64707788
No George Lucas, nobody is missing your greedy old ass.
>>64707788
Lol no. Stay mad Looktits
i don't care if you did or didn't like episode 7, but the prequels are lousy and unworthy of revisionist praise. anybody who does this is an aspie faggot contrarian who should seriously rethink their life.
>>64713339
My opinion of the prequels have changed since TFA was released.
Before TFA:
The prequels are garbage.
After TFA:
The prequels are still garbage. However, I have to give the prequels credit for at least somewhat trying to do something new, tell a new story even if it ultimately failed.
>>64708409
>him, you are agreeing with his assessment of WHY they are garbage.
That's not true either. Rather than making a specific point they'd rather defer to Plinkett blindly. "Watch this, then you understand." is not articulating a point.
>>64713326
C3PO is worse.
>>64713597
>defending the prequels
This meme got old before it ever began.
>>64713597
this
>>64713888
Is this the beginning of an epic new meme?
>>64713233
>You're suggesting the original trilogy was mature?
No. You fuckers are the ones suggesting the prequels are mature.
>>64713233
>Are you autistic?
That would be George. Try to keep up.
>mfw TIL Plinkett
can anyone do a review of the prequel shits without coming up with some fucktarded gimmick?
all sw flicks are shit
>>64714124
REDDIT IN THE HOUSE
>>64708057
>>64714311
OUISSAM IN THE HOUSE
>>64714485
TRIGGERED
This is a generic opinion but the only movies in the franchise I like are A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.
Return of the Jedi had powerful scenes but the entire Endor section is the beginning of the downfall. From the first time I saw it as a kid to this day it has baffled me. Who thought it would be great to have a final climactic battle of the trilogy to turn into slapstick comedy with teddy bears?
As for prequels ultimately my biggest gripe is the light saber. Yeah, Plinkett said it as well and he was spot on in it. It is used too often, the action doesnt have any weight in it and it was a complete mistake to have Yoda and Emperor wield one.
TFA is the third best SW movie. The saber fights had some good choreography with powerful swings. The problems here are the characters. Rey is good at everything and everyone likes her, it is a boring character. Finn could have been good with an arc of coward to brave, but he was obnoxious, loud and ridiculous throughout the movie. I was actually shaking my head in disgust when he was yelling at Phasma "YEAH IM IN CHARGE NOW WHOO" or something along those lines.
Poe was good, and Kylo was great.
>>64714619
And here I though this board was only filled with redditors
>>64705692
literally just senpai
>>64714534
ACTIVATED!
>>64705692
>Camile Paglia
disgusting
>>64705692
Plinkett is a good entertainer not a good critic. His YouTube videos mostly just expose plot holes.
The big problem with the prequels is that the more you know about them, how they were written, how they were cast, how they were filmed and what choices were made the worse and worse they get. If you ever sit down and try to work out the story and character motivations from TPM to RotS you quickly realize what a mess it is. If you know cinematography and scene blocking and pacing films like RotS serve as examples of everything gone wrong.
The more you know the worse they are.
>>64713302
>use of racial stereotypes was just terrible.
Can you explain why that is terrible? Is it because you are a nigger, an arab, or a chink, and didn't like the mirror being held up to show you and your failings in great detail?
>>64713974
>No. You fuckers are the ones suggesting the prequels are mature.
It's funny that you Plinkett tards can't even get your attacks straight. Half the time you say the prequels aren't mature enough, and the next minute you're crying about how you don't understand what a trade blockade is.
Truly pathetic.
>>64715972
your level of cognizance is paltry. let me guess, your mirror is a frame?
>>64716140
>defends the prequels
>call others pathetic
Whew
>>64705692
A question for prequel loving neckbeards who actually think Richard Brody is a good critic:
When dozens and dozens of film critics shit on the prequels, are they just memeing too?
![[areyouevenbritish].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LOphklu.jpg "[areyouevenbritish].jpg")
>>64705692
>defending the prequels is a /tv/ meme now
>>64717653
Normie critics who praise shit like Hunger Games and other normie bait have meaningless opinions I only like patrician critics who are into Godard and Antonioni like me
>>64713286
he's far worse because he's a racist caricature. whether or not that was intentional is up for debate.
>inb4 SJWs reeeee
>>64717762
get off your high horse you self-centered conceited prick. pic related is probably you.
>>64715972
>Is it because you are a nigger, an arab, or a chink, and didn't like the mirror being held up to show you and your failings in great detail?
