What is the best Ghibli film?
Pom Poko
Only Yesterday
>>64254153
Princess Monoke. I
Monoke or Howl
Boku no pico
the cat returns
>>64254153
princess monoke desu f.a.m.s.
>film
That paedo enabling fuck studio makes movies at best.
>One of the greatest achievements of humanity in art and storytelling tier:
Nausicaa (Manga)
>God Tier:
Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Kaguya
>High Tier:
Castle in the Sky, Grave of the Fireflies, Kiki's Delivery Service, Pom Poko, Porco Rosso, When Marnie Was There.
>Good Tier:
My Neighbour Totoro, Arrietty, Whisper of the Heart, Only Yesterday, Ponyo, Ocean Waves, Castle of Cagliostro
>Okay Tier:
The Cat Returns, The Wind Rises, Howls Moving Castle, From Up On Poppy Hill, Nausicaa (movie)
>What the fuck, how did this even get put into development, didn't anybody look at the script? (Also whitewashing literally every single character from Black, which was one of the major points of the Earthsea books and this film was so bad the Ursula K Le Guin even said "What the fuck?"):
Tales of Earthsea
Cultural Barrier Tier:
My Neighbours The Yamadas.
Shit Nobody has seen Tier:
Iblard Jikan (Really good when your high as fuck and just want to watch something while in bed)
>>64254441
>>64254466
it's spelled mononoke you brainfarts, I spelled it the same way in >>64254718 because of you dumb samefags
>>64254745
princess mononoke or porco rosso
porco rosso, also comfy as fuck
>>64254745
>muh whitewashing
niggers >>>/out/
>>64254745
I really enjoyed the Nausicaa film without reading the manga. What's so better about the manga? Does it just expand a lot more on the universe that the film is set in?
>>64254153
That one with the raccoon dogs with magical ball sacs.
>>64254176
/thread
>>64254153
I like the one with the giant panda.
>anime
>good
fuck off manchildren.
>>64255112
some is good, one or two are great, most is shit
I bet you think kurosawa is a shit director as well
>>>/r/eddit
Kaguya is my personal favorite.
I enjoy Nausicaa, Only Yesterday, Mononoke, Totoro, and The Yamadas.
>>64254936
The manga is literally irrelevant to the movie when discussing movies. Comic fags think that because they enjoyed the manga more than a film/series that that makes the animated adaptation, not good somehow?
Nausicaa and Akira are great films, Berserk is a great series. The mangas are also good, people who enjoy comics might even say they are better. That does not make the films/series bad.
>>64255112
>live action
>good
fuck off manchildren.
By the way did you know that Spirited Away won a Golden Bear? How many superhero movies have done the same?
>>64254153
mononoke hime to be quite honest with u
>>64255214
who are the bigger manchildren: moe/slice fans or capeshit/star wars fans?
now *that* is a philosophical quandary for the ages
>>64255362
The ones who go around calling others manchildren for not watching correct, authorized entertainment.
>>64255362
The media you like to watch has absolutely zero to do with your maturity level. It's people that try to boost their self esteem by suggesting the idea that what they like to watch is objectively superior to what someone else likes to watch that is manchildish.
Literally "I'm better than you" elementary school bullshit.
I like slice of life and I like star wars. I also like arthouse and trance. I watch these things for different reasons and don't think any are superior to the other. Follow my high road example, my budding adult.
Whisper of the Heart, Only Yesterday or Kiki
>>64255112
When I think of Anime I think of 300 episode convulted shit that's either kawaii or basically capeshit. Usually poorly drawn or animated
With Ghibli I think of amazing animated movies that happen to be Japanese
>>64254936
>What's so better about the manga?
Plot is much better, the world is much more fleshed out, political and philosophical commentary, characters are much more fleshed out, goes far more indepth into the setting and events playing out across the wasteland.
Are their movies good for kids movie, or are they good movies that adults should see in their own right?
Recently watched the Blu Ray of spirited away and it's so much better than the DVD. On the DVD it's like they put some kind of weird tan filter on it and it looks a lot worse
>>64255573
>unironically believing star wars and CGDCT anime are equal in merit to art films in any way possible
That's just retarded.
>>64255830
Some are intended for different audiences but I think anyone can enjoy them for the amazing art and storytelling
>>64255723
Sounds to me like you have a poor understanding of anime.
A vast majority of moeshit and manime falls into the range of 13-26 episodes. Some are standalone in structure, others are basically like one large episodic film.
The "300 episode convoluted shit" you're thinking of is called "shounen". It's aimed at male children. Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, DBZ, etc. It accounts for a very small percentage of anime, but is better known in the west because the large amount of episodes and episodic structure is more comparable to most western cartoons.
You're missing out on a lot of good series by dismissing anime through ignorance.
>>64255723
There's only a few of those super long shows that go on forever. Most shows are 12-26 episodes and have 1-3 seasons.
TV anime covers just about every genre and subject matter, some of them more than others (but it's the same with live action TV).
It's a popular stereotype that TV anime is poorly animated, but it isn't true. It was more true in the past though. Production quality has soared in the 21st century.
https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/8714/
>>64255830
The latter. Even if a movie like Spirited Away is intended for children, it's a very different kind of take on a children's movie than American animation. As I said before, Spirited Away from a Golden Bear.
>>64255809
The reason why I hated the movie it was because in comparison to other Ghibli works it was very lame, dull and boring. The characters were plain and boring, everything was shit and dull and I ened up really fucking dissapointed.
Takint into account where I am right now in regards to the story, characters and setting, should I take a look at the manga?
>>64255853
I don't see what makes them intrinsically superior and I don't see why anyone would want to make such a comparison. I watch arthouse when I want to experience something new and think. I watch slice of life when I want to zone out and giggle at something comfy. Two very different things, no reason to think one is better than the other and arguing so is pointless. Just, apples and oranges. You like both, you like neither, maybe one or the other.
>>64255966
Kyoani series are an exception, not proof at all of TV anime not being mostly poorly animated.
>>64255830
Kaguya is a good art film. Most adults generally enjoy Mononoke and Nausicaa. The rest it's hard to say exactly, depends on your personality.
I really enjoy Totoro even though it's for babbies. It's just comfy. Sortof like pic related, or something.
>>64255923
>>64255966
You're right I'm not familiar enough with anime but I guess my point to him was that someone who isn't a fan is still able to love studio ghibili
>ghibli
HELLLOOOOOOO REDDIT!
>>64256067
There are a lot of other films that people who aren't into anime can get behind. Satoshi Kon stuff is pretty generally accepted by western audiences. Miisaki Yuasa stuff is generally enjoyed by people who like artsy bullshit. I've never met a grown man who doesn't like Dead Leaves.
There are some really great series too that people generally like, but never try out because anime has a weeb curve to it.
I always thought that when it comes to story, characters and music Mononoke was the best Ghibli ever made.
The animation and stuff like that is pointless to discuss as it is always top notch. But the environments and everything they used on the film were absolutely brilliant, and the way the Kodamas and the insects and everything was on it made it genuinelly beautiful.
And the fucking music. Jesus fucking christ, Ashitaka Sekki is without a doubt my favorite theme song of every animated movie ever made. Either asian or european or american, it doesn't matter.
I am aware that the term can be used lightly and in fact it isn't taken seriously anymore, however I don't give a fuck, and I can say that this movie is a fucking masterpiece.
Although it doesn't hold a candle to pic related.
The Cat Returns
>>64255672
whisper of the heart was kind of shit. maybe if they showed more of the older sister.
>>64256011
>I watch slice of life when I want to zone out and giggle at something comfy.
I really hate people like you ("just turn off your brain lol!").
>>64256027
First of all, it's flat-out impossible for TV anime to have the same animation standards as movies except for limited durations. At minimum you're looking at 240 minutes of animation, whereas a movie is usually below 120 minutes. There's 6-12 months of production time before the first episode airs, after which you have to keep delivering an episode on a weekly basis. A movie could be in production for years. It's just not possible to keep to movie standards in TV.
Second, it's not poor animation, it's just less animation. You also have to remember that it's the same people animating movies and TV shows, so it's not like there's good animators working on movies and bad animators working on TV shows.
Am i the only person who finds 80% of these movies pointless?
like they don't seem to have an actual storyline or plot, but are just a 2 hour adventure that doesn't mean anything.
My favourite is laputa because the story actually makes sense, while movies like spirited away and howls moving castle don't make any sense story wise?
am i looking at these movies the wrong way?
miyazaki masterlist beware:
1.Spirited Away
2.Nausicaa
3.Mononoke
4. Howls Moving Castle
5. Kikis Delivery Service
6. Laputa
7. Ponyo
8. Totoro
9. Porco Rosso
10. The Wind Rises
They are all fantastic anyways
>>64256270
What about Spirited Away doesn't make sense? I don't remember there being anything confusing about the story.
>>64256011
The whole everything is subjective argument is overused by people who seek to avoid further discussion. One of them is escapism (lowbrow) and the other is art. If we were to accept that everything is equal, I feel like art would become pointless. Elitism is not a bad thing, it's inherent in art.
>>64256270
>am i looking at these movies the wrong way?
Yes.
Totoro
>>64256269
Why do you hate fun, anon?
>I'mma big grumpy man who watches srrs stuff only because it's that means I'm better rrarrererrr >:c >:c >:c
>>64256408
No, I watch moe anime all the time. I'm just not willfully braindead.
>>64254153
There's something about Castle in the Sky I can't help but love. Spirited Away has the most vivid art and Mononoke the most well-portrayed characters/themes but Laputa has this rapture of adventure. Fucking sky pirates.
>>64256317
I have plenty of great discussion about art, and it's obvious that subjectivity is the only logically sound reasoning that exists behind preferences. There is no observable evidence to suggest that a Da Vinci painting is inherently superior than a five year old's crayon drawing. Nowhere in the quark of an atom does it read "Stanley Kubrick makes superior films to Spike Lee".
It all comes down to subjective tastes and preferences, and discussing these tastes and preferences, discussing new and interesting things with people that they might like or them telling you what you might like, or going into detail about why you enjoy something or what you disliked about is all relevant discussion that has absolutely zero to do with "X is objectively better than Y".
The only reason you might think that people who bring up subjectivity are avoiding discussion or argumentation is because they aren't interested in their tastes being objectively better than another person's taste. They just want to talk about art, devoid of self esteem.
If thinking that your tastes make you objectively better than another person is what you enjoy to do, that's fine too, but that's definitely playing make believe. If you're into make believe, it all works out.
>>64256269
I wish more studios would be like Kyoani since they have a healthy work ethic and tend to finish their series even before the first episode even airs so they get extra time to 'neaten' up their shows. Even sakuga heavy anime have loads of downtime compared to western animation.
>>64255400
fair enough
>>64255573
>The media you like to watch has absolutely zero to do with your maturity level.
true in some case, but mostly absolutely false and you shouldn't be spouting this
>>64256468
So according to you, watching moe anime doesn't necessarily mean that you are braindead? Or are you saying that you are braindead?
Literally Kaze Tachinu and Kaguya Hime, while being the last films ever made by Miyazaki and Takahata, are the best. They basically switch up the themes from each others usual works, and it executes fucking perfectly.
>>64256615
Where is it written in the fabric of the cosmos that "It is more mature to enjoy watching The Walking Dead than to enjoy watching Little Bear"?
>>64256617
Quit posting pictures of melted candles
On topic: Nausicaa is my favorite.
>>64256680
"You are what you eat."
>>64256579
It might be the case that American shows have more frames of animation, but not all frames of animation are created equal. Simply having animation also doesn't mean anything by itself.
>tend to finish their series even before the first episode even airs
I really doubt this is true.
>>64256617
I am saying that watching moe anime does not necessitate or excuse "turning your brain off."
After i finished watching Berlin Alexanderplatz, about two weeks ago, i kinda gave up on cinema and started watching anime
>>64255988
Yes.
They are actually quite different stories.
>>64256735
Okay, so lets say person A watches The Walking Dead and becomes The Walking Dead
Lets say person B watches Little Bear and becomes Little Bear
Where does it say in the universe that "Being The Walking Dead is superior to being Little Bear"?
>>64256708
Rii-chan will never burn out. Perpetual wildfire.
>>64256809
It's person C saying: "These people are way too into Walking Dead and Little Bear."
>>64256771
Wait so I shouldn't absorb myself in something comfortable because some guy on the internet said that it's a bad thing to do? I'm confused by your reasoning. Are you seriously saying that zoning out and enjoying something is objectively bad "because I say so"?
valley of the wind & princess mononoke
the only two correct answers
>>64256858
Alright. Lets bring up an atom in an electron microscope. Point out where it says Person C is superior to person B and A. Where is that etched in exactly on a proton?
>>64256864
Just because an anime is "moe" doesn't mean you can't pay attention to the script, animation, background art, music, sound design, voice acting and, yes, the "meaning" of the story. You are just looking for excuses to justify being braindead.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2015-12-02/what-makes-kyoto-animation-so-special/.95559
>>64256903
Well person C has a microscope while the other watch a lot of TV so we will check back with person C once Heisenberg uncerainty is solved
>>64256992
I don't understand, are you saying that paying attention to specific qualities of the production of an anime is inherently superior to simply enjoying the audio visual input that you are receiving?
I'm not being nitpicky, it's just, what you're arguing literally doesn't have a basis. You are implying that your preferences when watching something are inherently superior to other preferences. How are your preferences superior? You haven't even remotely explained this at all, you've just said "Watching art house is better than watching moeshit" and "paying attention to scripts and artwork is better than being semi-consciously blasted by cuteness", and you haven't given any support for these ideas. You've basically just shared your opinion and presented it like a fact. Where's the flesh? Where's the reasoning?
>>64256903
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_%281979_book%29
The problem is, anime, even more so moe anime is generally speaking not socially acceptable, and the person you're having a conversation with is constrained by his prejudices inflicted on him by the society.
>>64257123
I am saying that you are just trying to look for excuses to be braindead. And also looking down on moe anime in the process.
>you've just said "Watching art house is better than watching moeshit"
Try citing where I said that. You'll find that you can't, because I never said it.
>>64256784
There was this anime guy on twitter watching Berlin Alexanderplatz. Are you him?
>>64257189
Okay, so, what's inherently wrong with zoning out and watching something comfortable? You haven't explained this, you've only said it's bad. There isn't any basis to your argument here, just that you prefer that people don't enjoy things without thinking hard about what they are enjoying.
>Try citing where I said that.
Right here >>64255853
>>64257162
I know I'm trying to break his bubble
>>64257256
i don't have social media, but that's quite the coincidence
I was floored by Mononoke the first time I saw it, but in hindsight that main character is too perfect, he does no wrong the entire movie. I guess it's just more akin to ancient myths and epics in that regard.
Definitely a fantastic movie despite all that though
>>64257292
>Okay, so, what's inherently wrong with zoning out and watching something comfortable?
The act of trying to justify it in public and by implying that because it's moe anime there's no need to pay any attention to anything because it's only moe anime.
>Right here >>64255853
Holy fucking shit, are you seriously under the impression that Anonymous is a person? Have you not looked at your own posts?
>>64257292
>break his bubble
>from inside your own bubble
I'm more of an /m/ guy but I've never enjoyed an animated movie as much as Mononoke.
I fucking love that movie.
>>64257421
What do you mean it's wrong to justify zoning out and enjoying something in public? How is that a negative action? You aren't explaining this, you're just saying it's a bad thing with no basis.
Where did I say that you should or shouldn't pay attention to the production behind moe anime? I never said that.
Also, if you follow the responses in this discussion backwards, you will find that they lead directly to that post. If that wasn't you, you replaced somebody in this discussion and they left. It is obvious to believe that that is you. Just follow the post numbers backwards in this discussion.
>>64257480
Please, explain to me how my perspective is limited, I am genuinely curious.
>>64257546
>What do you mean it's wrong to justify zoning out and enjoying something in public?
Trying to justify and rationalize being willfully braindead is just ridiculous, embarrasing and annoying.
>Where did I say that you should or shouldn't pay attention to the production behind moe anime? I never said that.
Right here:
>I watch slice of life when I want to zone out and giggle at something comfy.
>Also, if you follow the responses in this discussion backwards, you will find that they lead directly to that post.
I hadn't even read that post before you linked to it. It has nothing to do with me.
>>64257585
If you have to ask why your human perspective on an anonymous image board isn't similarly limiting: you're just being silly.
>>64257657
>Trying to justify and rationalize being willfully braindead is just ridiculous, embarrasing and annoying.
What? To you? So what you're saying is, you don't like it? That has nothing to do within the realm of objectivity. There is nothing whatsoever observable or measurable that suggests what I'm doing is inherently worse than suggesting that you should pay attention to specific details in the design of something that you are watching. It's just your weird preference that has no basis in reality. Why are you treating it like it's reality?
>"I watch slice of life when I want to zone out and giggle at something comfy."
How does this equal:
>"you shouldn't pay attention to the production behind moe anime"
I'm confused. The two statements have entirely different meaning. Do you think that they mean the same thing?
>>64257713
Nice poetry there, bub. Too bad it doesn't actually mean anything.
>>64256578
I'm not arguing about objectivity. It's not about taste. People start shouting subjectivity for when they aren't able to defend what they like in the face of criticism. Nowhere did I say that I felt intellectually superior to those who consume works I hold in less regard. I don't believe in "good" or "bad" taste since it is usually just a means of compatibility when people say it. I just believe that the opinions of someone with more experience and a greater understanding of the way animation is made will likely hold more weight than an inexperienced 'anime' fan with no understanding of the industry or the history of animation. Similarly academics in literature hold more weight than the common masses. My opinion is that escapism will never hold as much merit as art, the latter can be much more profound and meaningful whereas the former is largely forgettable. Art, found in the likes of Bach, Michelangelo etc. is the pinnacle of human expression. I will never just sit back and watch someone claim an anime OST or a five year old drawing can't be considered worse because everything is subjective. It's a useless thing to say and is arguably anti-discussion. If someone could successfully reason and provide arguments for it, then by all means go ahead.
>>64254153
The patrician choice
>>64254153
Porco Rosso is their best
>>64257813
Sure it does. We are limited creatures. If anything I have seen more of you than you of I. I don't believe I have a real understanding of you while you try to get people to apply logic to illogical arguments.
Stepping outside and helping people instead of watching cartoons might move your neutral drag to good.
>>64257781
Have you been diagnosed with some kind of mental condition? If not, you should be.
>>64257850
The idea that a literary professor's opinion is inherently superior to a ten year old's is well, based within the imaginary context of a make believe societal hierarchy. It isn't real. There is no objective unit to measure their opinions against each other by. What it comes down to is that you personally prefer the opinion of a literary professor to a ten year old's opinion on a book.
I am completely unmoved by Bach's performances. It's methodical, mathematical dribble. I have been more thoroughly moved and intrigued by pop music than by Bach. I find the works of many modern film composers to vastly outweigh Bach's compositions in terms of things I value, largely appealing to emotion through sound. What I've just done is demonstrated the subjective nature of artistic preference, while also discussing various aspects of it, pretty much sinking the idea that people who bring up subjectivity are cowering away from their opinions being criticized. Speaking about artwork on an objective level has no basis.
I see art as an umbrella term that escapism falls underneath. I wouldn't contrast them.
>>64258026
>good
How would helping people "improve" me by any measurable unit? Good and bad are moral realist concepts, there isn't any basis for their existence other than as a mechanism that helps most currently existing human societies operate as a whole.
>>64258040
Whooowoowoowwwoo shots fired punches thrown!!
>>64258228
I guess anime really does stiffle will toward man. Way to put the horse before Descartes.
Reminder that Howl's Moving Castle was one of the worst adaptions in history and I hate everyone who likes it.
>>64258323
You got the philosophical reference backwards, you're suggesting that the horse is able to pull the mathematical concepts Descartes designed along.who's to say I'm not some heroic vigilante who teaches people logic and metaphysics on an anonymous image board, where such concepts can improve lives? :^D
>>64258400
I hate the SHIT out of Howl's bro
Far and away my favorite, Princess Mononoke is #2
I feel like one of the only people who never liked Spirited Away though
>>64257850
Art has two agents, the artist and the interpreter. The artist conducts self-expression and the interpreter receives it and filters it through what has cumulated into him throughout his life.
Let's say a five year-old draws a picture for their parent or other relative. The adult might be deeply touched by the attention given to him by the child, by the message that is relayed by the drawing. Now the same person goes to Louvre, checks out paintings by da Vinci, Michelangelo or whatever, and thinks "they're pretty cool, I guess." Obviously the "work of art" of the child is from his subjective point of view the superior one.
Of course there are arguments for the objectivity of art in things like technical skill and aesthetics, but as you say art is about the expression, not about eye-candy. The reason some art are considered to be better than others is that they're either liked by a lot of people or by the certain people who have the power and social status to determine what art is good or bad. In the end, whether a person can or cannot appreciate a piece of art comes down to subjectivity, and it's not possible to state the objective quality of art, since it's not the same for everyone, since people see and interpret things from their own points of view.
>>64258488
Everything you said supports hating anime as much as loving anime.
You're a fucking idiot if you think you'd persuade anyone here.
>>64258400
I don't mind it until the stair sequence (both protag and wicked witch climbing the stars) where the protag starts cheering on and helping the witch that just basically for all intents and purposes has killed her for no reason.
The movie just falls apart from that point onwards.
Also my girlfriends favourite book is Howls, so think how she felt about that movie my god.
>>64258605
All I've said at all is that it's literally up to the individual whether to hate or enjoy anime. I've never supported either side. I definitely enjoy anime personally.
So you haven't learned anything about logical reasoning in our discussion? :C
My favourite one that I've seen was Whisper of the heart. Truly "woman cannot understand" core.
Other really great ones: my neighbour totoro, nausicaa.
Was it just me who thought Princess mononoke wasn't that engaging? I remember not finding it emotionally engaging at all.
Is arrietty worth watching or is it for kids only? From the first ten minutes I got the impression that it was going to be boring.
>>64258724
It's fun to pretend, isn't it?
>>64258749
Little girls love Whisper of the Heart though. Also imo Arietty isn't very good. Has a similar feeling to Ponyo but isn't as engaging. Both are definitely exclusively for kids.
>>64258749
Arrietty is ok.
I think the only Ghibli movie I wouldn't recommend to adults is Ponyo.
>>64254745
As a fan of the earthsea books, the movie made me very sad :(
"Only Yesterday".
"Spirited Away".
"The Wind Rises".
"The Tale of the Princess Kaguya".
"Ponyo" has the greatest animation.
>>64259404
Nobody gives a flying fuck about your terrible entry level opinion you fuckwit
>>64259428
What do you mean "entry level"? I have seen every movie by Studio Ghibli.
>>64259575
That makes your opinions even more embarrassing actually.
Whisper of the Heart is my favourite personally
Up on Poppy Hill is underrated.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/28/daisy-ridley-only-yesterday-exclusive
>Daisy Ridley gives voice to heralded Studio Ghibli classic, Only Yesterday
>>64260892
If it was live action they would never even consider dubbing it. It really is idiotic how people think that something has to be automatically dubbed just because it's animated.
>>64260892
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>>64261403
Then don't go watch the English dub.
>>64254153
Howl moving castle was the first one I ever saw.
Grave of the Fireflys broke my heart...
My daughter loves Totoro, Arietty and The Cat Returns. Also Kikis delivery Service.
The good dinosaur
>>64261644
Kek
