>Star Wars will never have clear well-positioned shots like this
Why is having clear easy to follow shots loathed in modern cinema? Why does everything have to be a fucking tracking shot?
senpai
>that slow entry into the Death Star
JJ would have a panic attack. The Falcon should be charging at ramming speed.
>>64133635
Dont forget some shaky cam and dutch angles
Are there any good recs for movies similar to Star Wars not so much in terms of plot, but mood/pacing? Would that pretentious Chinese movie Lucas knowingly knocked off be a good fit?
Same reasons modern documentaries can't have slow tracking shots and more than 5-10 seconds of a single scene before moving on to the next
ADD generation
>>64134024
>pretentious chinese movie
Surely you dont' think hidden fortress is pretentious simply because it is b&w and in japanese, right? Nobody is that dumb.
Watch these films if you like star wars.
2001
Solaris
Silent Running
Dark Star
Thx 1138
>>64134226
Nah, but you immediately knew what movie I was talking about when I wasn't sure at all.
>those terrible practical effects
>>64132038
>Star Wars will never have...
>posts shot from Star Wars
wat
>>64132038
MTV
Quick cuts for the add
Too slow. BORING.
original effects
>no lens flare or shaky cam
ANTIQUATED
>>64132038
>this
>good
Two of those 5 shots were completely unnecessary and two of the three were longer than they needed to be
>>64133635
>JJ would have a panic attack. The Falcon should be charging at ramming speed.
Maybe Abrams could bear it if we saw a planet explode in the background.
I think it's either that or ramming speed as you said if it's up to Abrams.
>>64134024
Blade Runner
>>64134449
Yes now that you mention it I do notice these similarities to 2001.
>>64134396
Magnificent, isn't it?legit theatrical editions whenNot to shit on the Despecialized it's just that something like Mike Verta's would be better
Someone should make ne of those MUH (insert), memes, when jj is exposed to an horizontal plane.
Now, seriously the tilted shaky action everytime becomes painfull once you are aware of it
>>64134031
https://youtu.be/h9hvHSCzlWw?t=7m2s
>>64132038
So TFA basically looks like J.J. Trek?
>>64134756
Absolutely, from start to finish
>>64134809
fuck
>>64134024
Lawrence of arabia
>>64134396
This reminds me of a point. After escaping in the TIE fighter, how did Fin and the rebel pilot just shoot the laser cannons? They would have been heavily armored.
>>64134935
Psst why would you establish any kind of consistant power level, it,s 2015
>>64134679
HAHAHAHAHA
>>64134024
kurosawa's hidden fortress is a pretentious chinese movie!? you just triggered me faget
>>64134396
See, I wouldn't mind if the SE just cleaned up small mistakes, like the lack of stars in the area where the X-Wings show up about 13 seconds in.
>>64132038
>death star is smaller than ep 7 new super weapon
>looks more menacing, bigger and intimidating
DUDE ABRAMS LMAO
>>64136235
>>looks more menacing, bigger and intimidating
No, it doesn't.
>>64136235
they never really establish the starkiller base, it just kind of shows up and blows up a few planets with no real consequences. In ANH, when Alderaan goes kaboom it changes the immediate goals of Obi-wan and Luke since they were trying to get there, and Leia winds up going whole-hog into the Rebellion. When the Republic Senate explosed in TFA, nobody in the movie seems to care at all. And why should the audience, who only cares about the Resistance?
>>64136428
Yeah it does mate. It's storytelling with the camera. If the Starkiller base had been shown with some menacing looming shots then we might've liked it more.
>>64136573
Right? Four planets exploded, maybe entire species went extinct, billions maybe trillions died, but hey who cares we won yay
It's just a universe where nothing matter anymore
>>64136428
Yes it does you fucking retard.
>>64132038
>>64133635
jj can no longer cover everything with lense flares
They never define the force strength of the two sides overall. I guess the Death Star is a strategic asset, but maybe it's like the U.S. Navy where even if you succeeded in taking down a carrier, then they'll then send 1000 warships after you. Or you think the Rebels are screwed when their base is raided, but then in the next movie they have these ships that seem about equal to Star Destroyers. Also, why don't the rebels ever consider stealing the Death Star and using it to destroy Imperial targets (or to bargain with the Empire)?
That looks horrible. It's so bad it's literally unintentional comedy. Are the people on this board serious? You are the worst people I've ever fucking witnessed in my life.
>>64134449
There's medication for that anon.
>>64136763
None of the protagonists have any reasons to give a shit about any of those planets.
So I got hold of ANH despecialised edition, and as my Brother is out of town for Christmas used his house and his massive 50 inch TV to watch it. Just me alone, on a comfy chair right in front of the screen
Holy fucking shit. Do the same and remember how great the originals were. An amazing, well paced, self contained story. Believable, likeable protagonists. Guinness and Cushing totally nailing it and giving the whole thing a touch of authenticity and class. A massive space station that is genuinely sinister and threatening, planets that we actually are made a little familiar with getting blown up (the reaction of Obi Wan gives far more impact than seeing people we don't know on a planet we don't know). No pandering, no fanservice.
That sense of adventure. Luke, and us with him, slowly learning about the Force from Obi Wan. The chemistry and the humour working well. TFA doesn't come anywhere close.
>>64134935
Why didn't the Star Destroyer have any shields?
>>64137143
injecting ritalin is a pretty wild time
>>64133735
There weren't any in TFA.
>>64137184
Silly me, I always thought good people would care about a intergalatic genocide
>>64132038
Garbage. These are much better shots.
>>64134756
He toned it down with the lens flare.
>>64135077
Also why would you learn how to spell "consistent"? It's 2015.
I just watched Empire Strikes Back for the first time. Why didn't anyone tell me Lucas didn't direct it? No wonder it's so great.
>>64137645
They obviously think genocide is wrong, which is exactly why they are fighting the first order. No one had a specific attachment to the republic enough to get emotional about it, though.
>>64137569
I really hope you haven't seen the movie yet.
>>64132038
>shot.. reverse shot..
>shot.. reverse shot..
>>64137622
there was obnoxious shakycam in the falcon when Rey and Finn are trying to patch it up right before Solo steps on baord
>>64137732
But Empire was Kershner only good movie. No one is clamouring for the Eyes of Laura Mars and the shitty Thunderball remake he did. At least Lucas already had American Graffiti and THX-1138 under his belt.
>>64137768
Yes I have, and you haven't answered my question.
>>64137622
The first twenty minutes had both shakycam and sped-up footage. After that was very tame, but the beginning of the movie reeked of Abrams
>>64137941
It does have shields and it's a huge plot point in the movie, did you fall asleep for like 20 minutes during the climax?
I always feel like a dumbass in these threads because I don't know what a reverse shot, tracking shot etc. are. I mean I have a vague idea, but is there anywhere I can see the actual examples and learn about this stuff?
>>64132038
They rarely use tracking shots and when they do it's garbage.
>>64137654
ZOOOOOM
>>64137973
So you're a complete fucking moron and missed the fact I'm talking about the Star Destroyer, not the Starkiller base.
>>64134756
>>64134849
Nah, it's honestly a lot more restrained than Trek.
>>64137654
>>64138031
George can zoom too.
>>64134339
>calls out dated effects technology on a 38yr old movie.
I hope your not some shithead who did not understand the point is the direction of the shot, not the how dated SFX tech has held up over the decades.
>>64132038
Yeah that's my biggest gripe with TFA, along with all of the action scenes being crammed with a bunch of crap. Why can't they just keep it simple? It's better when action is more focused. At least the lightsaber fights were pretty good.
>>64138111
Literally didn't see any zoom here 2bh
>>64138119
>>64134339
And yes, I am aware I used 'your' and not the correct 'you're'.
DONT YOU GET IT GUYS??
IT'S 2015
EVERYTHING IS FAST
AND EVERYTHING IS IN YOUR FACE!!
GOTTA WATCH THIS MOVIE REAL FAST
WHILE YOU CHECK FACEBOOK WITH YOUR SMARTPHONE
>>64138170
20 seconds
>>64137992
yup
http://www.springhurst.org/cinemagic/glossary_terms.htm
>>64137654
That stupid shaky zoom is one of my least favorite things about modern movies.
>>64138158
>Why can't they just keep it simple?
Why make is simple when you can make it so dense? It's better if there's so much going on in each frame.
>>64138073
Maybe they didn't have the shields up since they were surprised by the escape. Or the cannons are outside the shield.
>>64138207
Blame the French new wave.
>>64138184
This
If the movie doen't feel like it over in 30min I will lose attention and pull the stuffing out of the seating
>>64138205
Thanks anon
>>64138111
The AOTC zooming is justified, because it's emulating the camera work a lot of actual real war footage had.
>>64132038
>that fucking :18 - :25
so fucking beautiful, Jesus Christ some of the shots in the OT just make me jizz buckets
too bad the new movie only had, like, two really cool shots (the long shot of the crashed Star Destroyer and the Stormtroopers in the drop pod)... also they were both at the start, then JJ shifts into maximum overdrive and shakes the camera 1million times for the next 90 minutes
>>64138239
>Maybe they didn't have the shields up since they were surprised by the escape.
They had enough time to start shooting at them, they had enough time to raise their shields.
>Or the cannons are outside the shield.
And now you've resorted into just making shit up that contradicts what we've always seen in Star Wars to defend JJ's shit. This conversation is over.
>>64132038
this isn't podracing.... wtf?
>>64138207
It's designed to be that way.
>>64138376
Stylistically complex
>>64138350
i blame jason bourne. those movies made the shakycam/ACTIONcam en vogue and we haven't looked back ever since.
hell, i remember matt damon on some talk show promoting bourne 3 ("it doesn't suck") and he spoke of the one bad review he found saying "CAN YOU GET A FREAKING STEADICAM PLEASE?"
so uhhhh yeah...JJ made good $$$ turning star trek into a pretty modern action flick....and seeing as star wars was already way more of that than star trek, it's no surprise that he's sticking with what works with star wars. he put in a few token "nice shots" for the cinemaphiles out there (apocalypse now ftw!) but really those were little nods to ppl who like that so he could get back to the can't miss action!
you know that taco bell commercial where the restaurant is chock full of nerds in SW costumes and then the normie couple walks in and gets the evil-eyes from everyone until the chick flashes a lightsaber hanging from her belt?
the movie is made for those normies, not the marks in the costumes. they'll always have those hopeless tissuefuckers no matterwhat they do. and focus groups show that the nornies of the mid-2010s like their bourne identity style action and slick fast paced "FUN" crap, so that's what they're gonna get.....
...except the technicality is that the setup around all that action is gonna be STAR WARS so it makes billions of dollars because its STAR WARS and it's prolly the most valuable IP in cinema for a reason.
>>64137654
The Into Darkness one is vomit inducing. What a hack.
>>64137569
because shields are only for personal ships that need to run a military blockade.... duh.
>>64136940
re: the death star
"this battle station had firepower equal to over half the Imperial Starfleet combined"
concerning the relative strength of the Imperial and Rebel military assets + popular sway
>Cassio Tagge: And until this battle station is fully operational, we are vulnerable. The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped. They're more dangerous than you realize!
>Conan Antonio Motti: Dangerous to your starfleet, Commander, not to this battle station.
>>64136235
it's a shame that the planet-sized death star had 8 little batteries in one section that when shot blew up the whole planet, eh?
>>64138717
sure is a shame that a random infantry Captain (Phasma) lowered the impenetrable shields on the entire fucking planet and let the Rebels through, too.
fucking coward. TR-8R wouldn't have lowered the shields, he would have taken one for the team.... of 1,000,000,000 people, or however many stormtroopers fit onto a fucking entire planet
>>64134024
> kurosawa
> pretentious
christ he's so unpretentious and adoring of actual sources like his ancestry and western ones like Shakespeare that there's no room for academic pretending in anything he shot
man go pick up a book or something for once that isn't Harry Potter you retard
>>64134756
it's not quite that bad, but all the space battles were JJ Abrams for sure
>>64138816
>those terrrorists killed a billion people on the starkiller base
seriously, what in the actual fuck? couldn't you just pass some laws to get rid of guns and then disarm the stormtroopers that way? if that's going to solve all of our problems it'd sure as shit save the galaxy without having to genocide.
>oh wait they're space nazis
nevermind... kill 'em all i say! gas the kids!
>>64138816
>Kylo mentions clones being superior to Hux's soldiers
>Hux stands his ground
Meanwhile
>TR-8R breaks protocol, throws away his shield and blaster to fight close quarters purely out of emotional rage
>Phasma literally betrays the entire base instead of sacrificing herself
>Two stormtroopers break security patrol because Kylo is having an aspergers fit in a room nearby
>FN-2187 goes AWOL and betrays the First Order
Kylo is right.
>>64134024
There's nothing pretentious about people not from America making movies. This is the dumbest normal faggot opinion of all time.
>>64132038
Is this ANH or ROTJ?
>>64134396
Man, so much of this is butchered or not present at all in the special editions
Say what you will about Lucas' good intentions, this destruction was nothing but a fuck you to the old wife
>>64138239
>place your weapon systems outside of your protective shield
Yes this definitely sounds like something a military organization would do, if there was one part of their warship intended to destroy other warships that they'd neglect to protect it would be the weapon systems.
If JJ did that scene there would be a huge green tractor beam laser struggling to hold onto the Millinium falcon as the Han was desperately screaming orders at everyone in a last ditch attempt to try to escape. We'd be rapidly cutting between Death Star command screaming "hold onto that ship! Don't let them get away", and Han going "Damn, they've almost got us! Chewy, punch the power converters to 110%!" and shots how engines flaring.
>>64137923
I don't give a shit. I'm talking about star wars, not some other fucking movies.
Real reason: The cellphone generation. They have focus groups that measure the attention span of the new generation with their cellphones. If shit is happening on screen, they just pull out their cellphones and start texting.
>>64138111
That's at least a fucking transition
>>64132038
holy shit they fucked up the last scene with Luke, yet it was still the best scene in the movie
>>64137992
Yeah, watch movies by good directors and you'll start to notice how some of them use the same camera techniques. Alternatively, you can watch the entire filmography of one director and notice how they specialize and grow in the use of the camera
>>64138111
This battle scene is GOAT
>>64138962
>TR-8R
Bravo
>>64138170
literally blind
>>64139100
>>Fire weapons while shields are active beyond weapon emplacement
>>Weapon projectile impacts harmlessly on the inside of your shield, leaving enemy unharmed
Cmon guys...
>>64136763
Just like Vulcan
>>64139848
>>64139930
>you can't shoot through your own shields
100% convinced these Disney shills have never watched a Star Wars movie.
>download and start watching Hidden Fortress due to reading this thread
>immediately see a 30 frame wipe like 10 minutes into the film
now I know where Lucas got it from lol
>>64140082
>Only 4 cuts in the sequence
Simply unimaginable today.
>>64138207
makes me think of this shot where it was done well though not really a zoom
>>64132038
That objectively looks like shit
>>64140082
special edition?
>>64140765
Obviously context is important. Riding on horses you expect your vision to bounce around. Standing still while things explode in the background, you wouldn't. When J.J, Whedon and the other hacks making modern blockbusters pull that shit they're motivation is to keep the ADHD generation from pulling out their phones.
Sucks that /tv/ doesn't allow sound with webms, otherwise we could talk about how the score helps to punctuate the OT shots and round out the scene. VII had a bad soundtrack it hardly used, so even if it had great shots they would still be underwhelming.
>>64140005
Not the guy you're arguing with, but droideka's guns stick through their shields to fire, they don't actually fire through the shield.
![Star.Wars.Episode.I.The.Phantom.Menace.1999.mkv_snapshot_00.07.06_[2015.12.27_02.19.35].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/t0f9N5Q.jpg "Star.Wars.Episode.I.The.Phantom.Menace.1999.mkv_snapshot_00.07.06_[2015.12.27_02.19.35].jpg")
>>64141278
>>64132038
cuts will do fine
>>64134226
>Solaris
No, its nothing like star wars, not even the scfi elements of it
>>64141362
Look where the tip of the barrel was prior to firing in comparison to the arc of the lower part of the shield. It sticks out past it, it's why their arms are so long. Your frame is from after the recoil has already moved the barrel a bit.
>>64138111
>Attack those federation drone, quickly
Can't stand video game missions in modern movies.
>>64139224
It was one of the worst scenes
All the buildup and then an overly long pause, he says nothing, and get a retarded camera pan ordinarily used to show scale
Here's your lightsaber......
......
......
......
......
>>64140851
Despecialized.
>>64141695
I forgot to mention that it ends on that note, making it twice as bad
>>64141530
Your own picture contradicts you, the barrel is inside the shield. These fucking JJ Abrams shills are too much. I think I'll just ignore every SW thread for the next month.
>>64138111
there's another zoooom when the mini death star falls and kicks up sand everywhere and it zooms into one of the walker cockpits
>>64141784
Do you just not understand curved surfaces?
You might be on the spectrum m8.
>>64141871
It's a Lucrehulk Core ship. It the ball on the Trade Federation space doughnut ships.
>>64137654
JUST
>>64141946
Those laser crawlers really needed more screentime.
>>64137923
Just watched a the documentary called Empire of Dreams about making of the OT.
Kershner is a really smart and sharp guy, he completely understood what it was he was filming.
>>64134935
>After escaping in the TIE fighter, how did Fin and the rebel pilot just shoot the laser cannons? They would have been heavily armored.
They shouldn't have even been able to leave the hanger bay because of shields. They made a big deal about Obi having to disable it for the crew to escape in A New Hope. Even then the Empire was already established to have tractor beams, so there's two reasons they shouldn't have been able to even get out. shit movie
>>64141424
Is this edited, or actually from a Major Motion Picture (TM)?
>>64142325
My guess is the handwavium of destroying the control room behind the hanger brought down the hanger shield and the tractor beam, still the escape was a bit far fetched.
>>64139997
Yeah I noticed he coudn't resist having another "Oh our characters can see this happening from where they are standing even though it's probably millions of miles if not light-years away.".
>>64141946
>move all (area of a map) to (area of a map)
Shouldn't that be "Move all troops to sector 5 1 5?" or to make more sense in the context of the scene, "Train all weapons on sector 5 1 5"
It's like the Parsec thing all over again, they're just throwing science-sounding words around without having any idea what they mean
>>64132038
You are correct, anon.
The original trilogy had some pretty bad ass shots that blew the mind, and the falcon entering the death star was certainly one of them.
>>64132038
Op knows what's up. So many of the shots were jarring and it made some of the cuts fucking retarded. The worst is possibly the helicopter shot at the end.
The other thing that annoyed me immensely was the way in which vehicles moved, especially the millennium falcon on Jaku and the rolls the X-wings did.
>>64141424
Jesus christ it goes so fast I can't tell whats actually happening.
Fuck that shit its starting to seem goofy.
>>64137654
>Zooms in
wow JJ is such a hack, always zoomin in on his movies, amirite?
>>64132038
Because it's not "exciting" enough
>>64141424
I hope whoever discovered every trick to fake a good fight scene suffers greatly.
>>64140082
Keeping the camera steady? Seeing the action clearly? NONSENSE! There needs to be cuts every second with shaky cam and snap zooms.
>>64141424
30 cuts in 12 seconds
>>64137206
>tfw you never watch ANH for the first time again
Kill me fampai
>>64141424
>>64142654
>The worst is possibly the helicopter shot at the end.
He should turn in his cameras just for that ugly shot.
>>64132038
>0:12
Wait, what the actual fuck? Are those stormtroopers actually in the movie? Were they added later by Lucas? That has to be the worst edit I've seen in Star Wars yet.
>My original vision was to have Stormtroopers walking outside in the vacuum of space
The only thing I don't really get is why would you cast Sydow in a totally throwaway role that barely has any relevance at all.
A couple of lines in and he's toast, has no relevance on anything and generally can be wiped from the script with nothing lost.
Why would you even include this character in your script since he has such a miniature role.
Not to mention that it seems he has some knowledge of the larger events in the saga but it never amounts to anything.
>>64142848
>tfw you first watched them so young you couldn't appreciate it
I've known every beat of those movies my entire life. Although I've started to appreciate them from a cinematic point of view as well now, I'll never be able to have any virgin moments watching them. It's too deep in my blood.
>>64142960
That clip is from the theatrical version. They've been there since 1977.
>dudes in full body armour and helmet
>In a vacuum
I fail to see the problem?
>>64142325
>They shouldn't have even been able to leave the hanger bay because of shields. They made a big deal about Obi having to disable it for the crew to escape in A New Hope.
Obi-Wan disabled the tractor beam, not the shields.
>>64143026
Because it looks stupid. How does gravity even work?
>>64139040
ANH
>>64143073
a vacuum doesn't mean there is no gravity
>>64143073
The Star Wars universe has artificial gravity, among other nonsense. How do you think everyone walked around all the spaceships this time? How is this the thing that is bothering you, not the sub-light speed lasers, laser swords, magic physic powers or FTL engines? The thing that bugs you is people doing a spacewalk?
>>64143073
How does it work anywhere in any of those ships?
>>64140082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvJDItC6tE0
>tfw glorious music kicks in at 2:15
>>64143144
Yes.
I'm just saying it looks bad, and they add nothing to the scene.
>>64143156
Glorious music kicks in a 0:00 buddy
>>64133635
This
>>64134396
Anyone have a webm of the first person going into the trenches from ANH? I fucking love it.
>>64141424
The police car chase in taken 3 is edited perfectly
>>64141946
If you force yourself to forget that this is Star Wars, at no point during this clip would you realize you're watching an actual movie. It's just a cutscene from a videogame. It's amazing, actually.
>>64143224
>Those 3 frames where you can see it transition from the exterior model to the trench model
Fucking beautiful. The craftsmanship on those things is amazing. A lot of the dogfighting in ANH is a little to slow imo, but that shot in particular is incredibly exciting.
Is Lucas officially a better director than Abrams?
>>64143467
1977 Lucas > Abrams > 1999 Lucas
>>64143467
No because all of his misteps were fixed by amazing editing, and when you watch the prequels where he was the editor, you can tell a noticeable drop in quality.
>>64143504
Fuck no Abrams is 100x worse than 1999 George lucas
>>64143284
CGI cutscenes in videogames today look more real than the prequels, they aged like milk.
>>64143184
yes it does. it makes it a habitable, real space. sure it make no sense, but it gives you a sense of scale. people exist here instead of stark empty space.
id be ok with it if they said the artificial gravity and size allows it to have it own atmosphere. personally its my preferred explanation. well, that and oxygen rich nebulae. i miss open faced space operas.
>>64142568
>It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs
I see no problem with that sentence m8
>>64143504
1977 Lucas > Abrams and friends = 1999 Lucas
>>64141424
NO. THEY WON'T
>>64143587
I agree. The way I see it, the Kessel Run starts at one place and ends at another. Han used the Millenium Falcon to navigate some treacherous shortcut that reduced his distance traveled to only 12 parsecs. This also implies he completed it with a low time, but shaving off the distance was most important because the Kessel Run was more about maneuvering than raw speed.
>>64143562
Pretty soon, this will likely look dated as well. That's how almost all CGI works.
>>64143587
it only makes sense in the EU where you have to dodge black holes or some shit and thus being fast enough to cut corners while escaping their gravity wells cuts time and distance off of the run...
if I recall correctly. a parsec is a unit of distance after all but Solo phrases it to sound like a unit of time to the layperson
(the real problem here is that parsecs are based upon Astronomical Units which shouldn't exist in Star Wars lol)
>>64143655
at lightspeed all speed is the speed of light. time becomes irrelevant. has to be measured in distance
>>64143587
Han is clearly bullshitting. Parsec is used to measure distance when he's talking about how fast he did something. Obi-Wan gives him an incredulous look and Han quickly changes the subject.
>>64143759
Hyperdrive is drastically FTL tho :^)
>>64136763
At that point, they're just statistics. In the context of the movie, why care about these trillion lives when the only people who matter can be counted on one hand?
One death (Han) is a tragedy, one trillion (all those planets) is a statistic.
>>64143801
How Can Seeing Beams Be Real If Our Lightspeeds Aren't Real
>>64140765
without fail i still get a chill and a semi every time i see a great lord of the rings clip, especially with the sound
god those movies are elder god tier
>>64143985
that was retarded, too
>people on a planet can somehow observe a beam of light traveling towards them
about the Prequel zoom's in some interview Lucas said it was the FX team that did that and he left it because they were of the younger generatio
>>64137622
There was definitely at least 2 dutch tilts in TFA
